Creationism and Climate Change

[SwimExpert]

Temperature increases were predicted, temperature increases were observed.

Temperature increases and decreases are observed on a daily basis.

And on multi year bases as well...

This kind of nonsense betrays the deep stupidity of the AGW crowd.

1 - You think that a 40 year timespan is significant? Forty years is NOTHING! The earth has been around for 5 billion years. Geological processes take place on extremely long time scales. Using a 40 year scope is like measuring changes in your body temperature over the next one second, and using the results to make conclusions about long term trends in your body's metabolism.

2 - One of the AGW's favorite tricks is to manipulate data to be interpreted to support exactly the conclusions they want it to support. Funny, how you ignore one inserted trend and just want your own to be accepted.

 

[SwimExpert]

Absolute bullshit. Consensus represents consensus. That a consensus exists has no bearing on the soundness of reasoning that led individuals to their consensus.

It means that scientific peers acknowledge it as the best present knowledge.

So like I said, it just means that it's a consensus.

 

[SwimExpert]

The only way of discrediting the theory of evolution, as with most scientific theories is to propose another scientific theory backed up by scientific evidence, and experimentation, that better explains the origin of the species and the diversification we see today.

False and fallacy. Argument from ignorance.

 

[konradv]

CO2, the only molecule that "Absorbs energy"

Frank lies again!!! Nobody said that, but that's irrelevant to those pushing the denier position.

 

[konradv]

Let's not forget, this is the same branch of science which, just a few decades ago, was in "consensus" that the planet was in imminent peril of an impending glacial period. The planet was supposed to be a snowball by now.

Bullshit. A couple of papers or newspaper articles taken up by mouth breathers. Most scientific papers in the 70s predicted warming.

There's also the point of, if they thought there'd be an Ice Age by now, what made them change their minds, AGW!!!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

CO2, the only molecule that "Absorbs energy"

Frank lies again!!! Nobody said that, but that's irrelevant to those pushing the denier position.

You can tell you win the argument the second they call you a "Denier!" because to them, it's an article of FAITH that CO2 is doing all they stuff they claim

 

[CrusaderFrank]

CO2, the only molecule that "Absorbs energy"

Frank lies again!!! Nobody said that, but that's irrelevant to those pushing the denier position.

So if other molecules absorb energy, what makes CO2 so special?

 

[konradv]

CO2, the only molecule that "Absorbs energy"

Frank lies again!!! Nobody said that, but that's irrelevant to those pushing the denier position.

You can tell you win the argument the second they call you a "Denier!" because to them, it's an article of FAITH that CO2 is doing all they stuff they claim

You can tell you've won an argument with Frank, when he posts anything at all!!! What's the point of the post in BOLD, except to derail the discussion with foolishness? Those that know the subject, discuss it. Those that don't, deflect the conversation, usually by mentioning Gore, but in this case Frank just chose to post something inane.

 

[konradv]

So if other molecules absorb energy, what makes CO2 so special?

You're asking a question you already know the answer to, but for those who don't, it's because it's the main GHG over which humans have some control. The increasing energy absorbed would, by the Law of Conservation of Energy, result in higher temps, leading to more H2O, an even greater GHG than CO2, in the atmosphere and even higher temps, i.e. a vicious cycle. Those who deny AGW are willing to play with fire, since no one knows where the tipping point to runaway warming will occur.

 

[SwimExpert]

There's also the point of, if they thought there'd be an Ice Age by now, what made them change their minds, AGW!!!

That's like saying we should respect a career criminal who "reformed" himself because he built a successful business using money he stole from a bank.

 

[SwimExpert]

CO2, the only molecule that "Absorbs energy"

Frank lies again!!! Nobody said that, but that's irrelevant to those pushing the denier position.

The vast majority of the AGW crowd do focus singularly on CO2, and attribute it as the only relevant factor. Do you deny this?

 

[Discombobulated]

CO2, the only molecule that "Absorbs energy"

Frank lies again!!! Nobody said that, but that's irrelevant to those pushing the denier position.

The vast majority of the AGW crowd do focus singularly on CO2, and attribute it as the only relevant factor. Do you deny this?

Science of any kind conflicts with their way of thinking because they are primarily motivated by faith.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

So if other molecules absorb energy, what makes CO2 so special?

You're asking a question you already know the answer to, but for those who don't, it's because it's the main GHG over which humans have some control. The increasing energy absorbed would, by the Law of Conservation of Energy, result in higher temps, leading to more H2O, an even greater GHG than CO2, in the atmosphere and even higher temps, i.e. a vicious cycle. Those who deny AGW are willing to play with fire, since no one knows where the tipping point to runaway warming will occur.

The energy is inbound anyway, correct? So unless CO2 some magical power to pull in additional energy, why difference does it's "energy absorption" make in the overall equation?

 

[westwall]

Polls show that an astounding 42% of Americans literally believe in the Biblical story of creation, rejecting the science of evolution. There seems to be a very close correlation between these people and folks who deny the facts of climate change. Since they reject the undeniable scientific fundamentals of evolution how can anyone take them seriously on any issue concerning science? Why would their opinions matter?

In U.S. 42 Believe Creationist View of Human Origins

What's funny is the "belief" in AGW is every bit as much a religion. There is zero empirical science to support the CO2 regulates the global temp theory. None. Yet you anti science religious nutjobs all point to a "consensus" as proof of that which can't be shown to exist. Everything that you believe was dreamed up by witch doctors and their little magical computer models that have yet to predict anything.

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be funny.

 

[konradv]

The energy is inbound anyway, correct? So unless CO2 some magical power to pull in additional energy, why difference does it's "energy absorption" make in the overall equation?

It's like throwing on an extra blanket to stop the outgoing energy.

 

[westwall]

CO2, the only molecule that "Absorbs energy"

Frank lies again!!! Nobody said that, but that's irrelevant to those pushing the denier position.

The vast majority of the AGW crowd do focus singularly on CO2, and attribute it as the only relevant factor. Do you deny this?

Science of any kind conflicts with their way of thinking because they are primarily motivated by faith.

Says the person who supports the complete Luddization of the planet in support of a theory that has failed. There is nothing but computer models to support the "theory" that CO2 governs global temps. The actual real science on the subject shows categorically that that theory has failed. But you anti science religious nutters will keep pushing it in a
vain attempt to gain control of the various peoples of this world.

You clowns are religious extremists in every way. You have your high priests, you have your scriptures, you have your religious fundamentalists, and you have the desire to murder anyone who stands in your way. Just like some other religious fanatics we know.

 

[konradv]

The vast majority of the AGW crowd do focus singularly on CO2, and attribute it as the only relevant factor. Do you deny this?

Sure I deny it. It isn't fact, it's how you're twisting the story. CO2 is important because it's the the major gas contributed by man. I don't know what "crowd" you're talking about. If you want the full story, read what noted scientists have to say on the subject. Don't deny CO2's importance until you can explain what happens to the energy it absorbs, if you're claiming it isn't warming the earth.

 

[Discombobulated]

CO2, the only molecule that "Absorbs energy"

Frank lies again!!! Nobody said that, but that's irrelevant to those pushing the denier position.

The vast majority of the AGW crowd do focus singularly on CO2, and attribute it as the only relevant factor. Do you deny this?

Science of any kind conflicts with their way of thinking because they are primarily motivated by faith.

Says the person who supports the complete Luddization of the planet in support of a theory that has failed. There is nothing but computer models to support the "theory" that CO2 governs global temps. The actual real science on the subject shows categorically that that theory has failed. But you anti science religious nutters will keep pushing it in a
vain attempt to gain control of the various peoples of this world.

You clowns are religious extremists in every way. You have your high priests, you have your scriptures, you have your religious fundamentalists, and you have the desire to murder anyone who stands in your way. Just like some other religious fanatics we know.

Luddization? I have no idea what you're babbling about.

 

[SwimExpert]

The vast majority of the AGW crowd do focus singularly on CO2, and attribute it as the only relevant factor. Do you deny this?

Sure I deny it. It isn't fact, it's how you're twisting the story. CO2 is important because it's the the major gas contributed by man. I don't know what "crowd" you're talking about. If you want the full story, read what noted scientists have to say on the subject. Don't deny CO2's importance until you can explain what happens to the energy it absorbs, if you're claiming it isn't warming the earth.

It may interest you to know that CO2 is a marginal factor in the greenhouse effect. In fact, 75% of the greenhouse effect is caused by water.

Who am I kidding? You won't be interested in that. You just want to talk about CO2.

 

[konradv]

It may interest you to know that CO2 is a marginal factor in the greenhouse effect. In fact, 75% of the greenhouse effect is caused by water. Who am I kidding? You won't be interested in that. You just want to talk about CO2.

You're an idiot. Read message #89. You're a prime example of a little knowledge being dangerous.