Courts Squash Democrats’ ‘Most Secure Election’ Lie:

[Esdraelon]

The issues were not related to security of the elections.

Right. I don't really attempt to explain the reasoning behind the rage on the Right associated with the 2020 election. It's a useless exercise. Those who believe it was honest either haven't looked into the thousands of allegations and the examples shown in 2000 Mules OR they've made the determination in some quiet part of what used to be their integrity and decided that the end justified the means if it meant getting rid of Trump.

Either way, those among you who actually care about the future of this nation should try to come to grips with the REALITY that your beliefs do not create an obligation for the millions of us who DO believe the election was stolen. Do you grasp that? The response from the Ds has always been to mock and dismiss. I'm just a voice in the wilderness, telling the Left that should they try this again, it WILL destroy our nation. You guys would never sit back and allow Republicans to benefit from the kinds of "irregularities" we experienced in 2020 without being in the streets and trying to burn it all down unless you got your way.

If you believe the rest of us will ever peacefully live under a boot that we believe is illegitimate, then it will be quite a wakeup when reality comes calling. Our nation stands or falls with COMPROMISE. It has always been so.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

All you are saying is they got away with stealing an election. The fact you do not care is on you.

I am not saying that at all.

That is what you are saying, but you are a known liar, thus nobody cares what you say

 

[BlindBoo]

Sure they were. If there were no issues, they wouldn't even have bothered to hear the case.

DURRRRRR

There were no issues with the bipartisan commissions new rule until after the Trumpybear lost in 2020. Then they alleged wide spread cheating and fraud of course, without offering any proof, SOP.

 

[Esdraelon]

Is this the explosion we've been waiting for?

Explosions are optional. All of the traditional indicators point to a massive Red wave. The only thing to stop that at this point would be an economic collapse being used as an excuse to delay elections under some kind of national emergency crap. If they try that this year or in '24, it will complete the rupture and dissolution of our country. All bets are off then. The only power DC would have in the states at that point would be courtesy of the barrel of a gun. And they don't have enough guns. Your party leaders went nuts on power and the media got you lot to sing along.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Either way, those among you who actually care about the future of this nation should try to come to grips with the REALITY that your beliefs do not create an obligation for the millions of us who DO believe the election was stolen. Do you grasp that?

I do not give a flying **** what any of you believe. All I care about is what you can prove.

I have this same basic discussion with flat earthers, they say I should care what they believe and not make fun of them.

You guys would never sit back and allow Republicans to benefit from the kinds of "irregularities" we experienced in 2020

not sure who "you guys" are, but the irregularities of 2020 were for the most part not irregular. They are things that happen in most every election, just nobody ever told you about them before

 

[TNHarley]

The debate was not if they could overrule the state legislature, but how much power they had to enact changes. They still can change things, but their power to do so is now more limited.

None of these rulings have any impact at all on the 2020 election.

I dont think means the election was rigged but they shouldnt have done this. We have laws for a reason.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Explosions are optional. All of the traditional indicators point to a massive Red wave. The only thing to stop that at this point would be an economic collapse being used as an excuse to delay elections under some kind of national emergency crap. If they try that this year or in '24, it will complete the rupture and dissolution of our country. All bets are off then. The only power DC would have in the states at that point would be courtesy of the barrel of a gun. And they don't have enough guns. Your party leaders went nuts on power and the media got you lot to sing along.

I see you are already getting your excuses in line for when there is not a massive red wave, but just the normal midterm swap of seats

 

[Tumblin Tumbleweed]

None of this means the election was not secure. I am not sure why you would think that it does.

Because he's an idiot.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

I dont think means the election was rigged but they shouldnt have done this. We have laws for a reason.

While it was true some election officials went too far, there was actual, real debate on what they had the power to do. In the end some of it was allowed and some was not.

 

[Esdraelon]

The drop boxes were approved UNANIMOUSLY by the Wisconsin Elections Commission. There are 3 Republicans and 3 Democrats on the commission.

The argument has more than one side. The Constitution makes it clear that the "time, means, and place of elections are the responsibility of the STATE LEGISLATURES. It says nothing about legislatures handing off that responsibility to partisan hacks.
Some of these methods that were used to create less secure voting have been deleted by said legislatures and where that has not occurred, I believe we're going to see a grassroots movement to guard polling places and to surveil "drop boxes" 24/7, record suspicious activity and hand it off not only to state election officials but to make it public nationwide. In short, we're wise to you this time... we won't let you steal our government again.

 

[Lastamender]

No there's not

Yes there is the same kind of evidence law enforcement uses and gets convictions on. That is a fact. You denying it means squat.

 

[westwall]

There were no issues with the bipartisan commissions new rule until after the Trumpybear lost in 2020. Then they alleged wide spread cheating and fraud of course, without offering any proof, SOP.

They offered proof. The Courts refused to let the evidence be presented. Courts that are, holy cow, overwhelmingly DEMOCRAT.

Who knew.

 

[TNHarley]

While it was true some election officials went too far, there was actual, real debate on what they had the power to do. In the end some of it was allowed and some was not.

They dont have power to change election laws. The Constitution is clear.

 

[Lastamender]

I am not saying that at all.

That is what you are saying, but you are a known liar, thus nobody cares what you say

Then what are you doing here Hotshot?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Then what are you doing here Hotshot?

Mocking you.

 

[BlindBoo]

I dont think means the election was rigged but they shouldnt have done this. We have laws for a reason.

The decision is the latest in a legal battle that began in January, after a Waukesha County judge sided with a conservative legal group in a lawsuit, declaring state law doesn't allow for unstaffed ballot drop boxes and requires that voters physically return their own absentee ballots.

Although an appeals court temporarily blocked the order for contests in February, the ban was in effect for local elections in April.

"The key phrase is 'in person' and it must be assigned its natural meaning," wrote Justice Rebecca Bradley for the conservative majority,

The Wisconsin Supreme Court says ballot drop boxes aren't allowed in the state

The decision lays out ground rules for absentee voting a month ahead of Wisconsin's statewide primary elections.

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"This case is about applying the law as written; that's it," he wrote.

"Significant questions remain despite our decision in this case, especially as absentee voting has become increasingly common," he wrote, adding: "The legislature and governor may wish to consider resolving some of the open questions these statutes present."

 

[Esdraelon]

nor does it prove any amount of fraud.

Remember the media's focus on the Bad Orange Man for 5 years? Remember how often their attacks and accusations were actually disproven? Probably not, because you aren't willing to believe sources that go against your own.

THIS^ is where the Right is on election theft. You aren't arbiters of what ANYONE MUST BELIEVE. You cannot simply dismiss 75 million of your neighbors and not expect repercussions. IOW, your deeply-held beliefs about that election do NOT create an obligation in those who do not agree with you. You folks REALLY need to internalize that fact while there is still time to save this Republic. Without integrity and a willingness to compromise, America dies. And that won't be JUST the part of our nation that Republicans call home. We will ALL lose.

 

[Lastamender]

Mocking you.

Not doing a very good job at it.

 

[Esdraelon]

Yes there is the same kind of evidence law enforcement uses and gets convictions on. That is a fact. You denying it means squat.

The CDC used it to confirm 6ft separation during Covid. That's a fact whether they want to remain willfully blind or not.

 

[Mac1958]

New Report from Prominent Conservatives Reaffirms Trump's Loss and Warns of Danger to Democracy from Baseless Claims of Fraud

/PRNewswire/ -- After reviewing every claim of fraud and irregularities brought by Donald Trump and his supporters in all 64 cases challenging the 2020...

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WASHINGTON, July 14, 2022 /PRNewswire/ -- After reviewing every claim of fraud and irregularities brought by Donald Trump and his supporters in all 64 cases challenging the 2020 election, a group of notable conservatives has reached the "unequivocal" conclusion that Trump's claims of election fraud are unsupported by evidence.

The group also examined all post-election reviews and audits in six battleground states. "Donald Trump and his supporters had their day in court and failed to produce substantive evidence to make their case," Lost, Not Stolen: The Conservative Case Trump Lost and Biden Won the 2020 Presidential Election states.

The 72-page report is signed by retired federal appeals court judges Thomas B. Griffith, J. Michael Luttig and Michael W. McConnell, former Solicitor General Theodore B. Olson, Senators John Danforth and Gordon H. Smith, longtime Republican election lawyer Benjamin L. Ginsberg and veteran Republican congressional chief of staff David Hoppe.

Each has worked in Republican politics, been appointed to office by Republicans, or is otherwise associated with the GOP. Several have worked as Republican poll workers or assisted in election day operations monitoring voting. None has shifted to the Democratic Party.