Country First - not part of this Senators agenda

Just a note here. Senators aren't supposed to vote for what's best for the country, they are supposed to vote for what's best for their state.
That's sort of true.
Look, politicians have constituents. They run on certain ideas and platforms. Some people will support them just because they think its the right thing. Others will support them because they perceive it will be in their interest. Michigan pols consistently supported measures to help the auto industry. Minnesota pols consistently support measures to support dairy farming. They will support candidates who support their views. That'[s fine. That's democracy in action.
The alternatives are far too bad to imagine.

It's not sort of true, remember the GOP ran on Country First, not South Carolina first.
 
Just a note here. Senators aren't supposed to vote for what's best for the country, they are supposed to vote for what's best for their state.
That's sort of true.
Look, politicians have constituents. They run on certain ideas and platforms. Some people will support them just because they think its the right thing. Others will support them because they perceive it will be in their interest. Michigan pols consistently supported measures to help the auto industry. Minnesota pols consistently support measures to support dairy farming. They will support candidates who support their views. That'[s fine. That's democracy in action.
The alternatives are far too bad to imagine.

It's more than sort of true. The Senate is supposed to represent the States, the House is supposed to represent the people. Perhaps we need a third division of Congress which supports corporations..
That was true until they passed the constitutional amendmend to provide for direct election of senators. Thanks, Progressives!

Yeah, think how well we would be seen if we still held slavery as legal.
 
Just a note here. Senators aren't supposed to vote for what's best for the country, they are supposed to vote for what's best for their state.
That's sort of true.
Look, politicians have constituents. They run on certain ideas and platforms. Some people will support them just because they think its the right thing. Others will support them because they perceive it will be in their interest. Michigan pols consistently supported measures to help the auto industry. Minnesota pols consistently support measures to support dairy farming. They will support candidates who support their views. That'[s fine. That's democracy in action.
The alternatives are far too bad to imagine.

It's not sort of true, remember the GOP ran on Country First, not South Carolina first.
Youre just a lying cocksucker.
 
Just a note here. Senators aren't supposed to vote for what's best for the country, they are supposed to vote for what's best for their state.
That's sort of true.
Look, politicians have constituents. They run on certain ideas and platforms. Some people will support them just because they think its the right thing. Others will support them because they perceive it will be in their interest. Michigan pols consistently supported measures to help the auto industry. Minnesota pols consistently support measures to support dairy farming. They will support candidates who support their views. That'[s fine. That's democracy in action.
The alternatives are far too bad to imagine.

It's more than sort of true. The Senate is supposed to represent the States, the House is supposed to represent the people. Perhaps we need a third division of Congress which supports corporations..
That was true until they passed the constitutional amendmend to provide for direct election of senators. Thanks, Progressives!

Yeah, think how well we would be seen if we still held slavery as legal.
You're just an illogical cock sucker.
 
Just a note here. Senators aren't supposed to vote for what's best for the country, they are supposed to vote for what's best for their state.
That's sort of true.
Look, politicians have constituents. They run on certain ideas and platforms. Some people will support them just because they think its the right thing. Others will support them because they perceive it will be in their interest. Michigan pols consistently supported measures to help the auto industry. Minnesota pols consistently support measures to support dairy farming. They will support candidates who support their views. That'[s fine. That's democracy in action.
The alternatives are far too bad to imagine.

It's not sort of true, remember the GOP ran on Country First, not South Carolina first.
Youre just a lying cocksucker.

You're a liar, I'm not sure if you're a cocksucker, but I'm certain you're an asshole.
 
Just a note here. Senators aren't supposed to vote for what's best for the country, they are supposed to vote for what's best for their state.
That's sort of true.
Look, politicians have constituents. They run on certain ideas and platforms. Some people will support them just because they think its the right thing. Others will support them because they perceive it will be in their interest. Michigan pols consistently supported measures to help the auto industry. Minnesota pols consistently support measures to support dairy farming. They will support candidates who support their views. That'[s fine. That's democracy in action.
The alternatives are far too bad to imagine.

It's more than sort of true. The Senate is supposed to represent the States, the House is supposed to represent the people. Perhaps we need a third division of Congress which supports corporations..
That was true until they passed the constitutional amendmend to provide for direct election of senators. Thanks, Progressives!

Yeah, think how well we would be seen if we still held slavery as legal.

fantasy.

Slavery was fading even before the war of northern aggression. The industrial revolution was beginning and farm animals were beginning to be replaced by machines.

No one ever thought slavery would persist. Not even the leaders of the confederacy.
 
The point of the OP is simple, McConnell is not doing his job, and he is the problem, one manifested by the poor polling of the Congress. McConnell's stated goal is to obstruct, not work with the Democrats, while he complains they won't work with him.

And our counterpoints are equally simple: namely, that our golfer-in-chief is a textbook narcissist who's too busy making photo ops, hitting the talk show circuit, talking about things before he's informed himself well enough with the situation to be talking about those things, and of course, playing golf to be doing Americans any favors right now, too. :badgrin:

Wry Catcher said:
Of course every Pol takes bribes, that's one reason why money in politics needs to be completely transparent and regulated. We can thank five members of he Supreme Court for compounding the problem with their view that money is = to freedom of speech.

So given that you know that every politician takes bribes, you are essentially now conceding to being a troll then, yes? :badgrin:

Every Pol takes 'donations', they are bribes in my opinion. The rational goes like this, 'if I don't take the money, I will not be reelected/elected; since I'm the lesser of two evils, I will take the money. It's in the best interest of the people.

Of course raising money takes time:

"Newly elected congressional Democrats had just a week to savor their victories before coming face to face with a harsh reality of Washington.

At a party-sponsored orientation session, the freshmen — many still giddy from winning close races in which they espoused grand plans to change the Capitol’s toxic atmosphere — were schooled in their party’s simple list of priorities for them.

The newcomers were told to devote at least four hours each day to the tedious task of raising money — so-called dialing for dollars — so they could build a war chest and defend their seats, according to those present. That’s twice as much time as party leaders expect them to dedicate to committee hearings and floor votes, or meetings with constituents."
See Link to above, here:

Freshman lawmakers are introduced to the permanent hunt for campaign money - Politics - The Boston Globe


The POTUS doesn't pass laws, his powers are limited as anyone who has read Article II of the COTUS understands. Even on the back nine the POTUS is as tied to his job as he is in the Oval, at Camp David or cutting brush in Texas.

Sure, but note that McConnell was expressly touting how Citizens United "leveled the playing field." I'm not sure the super rich needed help on leveling the field, but I'm real sure Citizens United didn't help with the fundraising game.

The two (CU v, FEC and McCutcheon v. FEC) moved us one giant leap toward fulfilling the dream of the Plutocrats.

Get ready for smaller government, a greater spread between the rich and the rest, and fees (never taxes, bad word) paid by the hoi polloi to make up the loss of taxes paid by the rich. The death tax will be abolished (helping only those with estates worth 5 million or more) and Capital Gains will not be taxed at all.

Agencies which protect our food, water and air will be cut to the bone, causing one crisis after another and with each crisis a cry for such agencies be privatized will ring out, as Limbaugh and Hannity claim the private sector can do better than a government agency.
I heard California will drop into the ocean if we elect a single Republican.

Californai elected Reagan, Deukmejian, Wilson and Schawarzenneger, all Republicans and each one ran the state into fiscal trouble.
 
Just a note here. Senators aren't supposed to vote for what's best for the country, they are supposed to vote for what's best for their state.
That's sort of true.
Look, politicians have constituents. They run on certain ideas and platforms. Some people will support them just because they think its the right thing. Others will support them because they perceive it will be in their interest. Michigan pols consistently supported measures to help the auto industry. Minnesota pols consistently support measures to support dairy farming. They will support candidates who support their views. That'[s fine. That's democracy in action.
The alternatives are far too bad to imagine.

It's more than sort of true. The Senate is supposed to represent the States, the House is supposed to represent the people. Perhaps we need a third division of Congress which supports corporations..
That was true until they passed the constitutional amendmend to provide for direct election of senators. Thanks, Progressives!

Yeah, think how well we would be seen if we still held slavery as legal.

fantasy.

Slavery was fading even before the war of northern aggression. The industrial revolution was beginning and farm animals were beginning to be replaced by machines.

No one ever thought slavery would persist. Not even the leaders of the confederacy.

BULLSHIT!
 
Just a note here. Senators aren't supposed to vote for what's best for the country, they are supposed to vote for what's best for their state.
That's sort of true.
Look, politicians have constituents. They run on certain ideas and platforms. Some people will support them just because they think its the right thing. Others will support them because they perceive it will be in their interest. Michigan pols consistently supported measures to help the auto industry. Minnesota pols consistently support measures to support dairy farming. They will support candidates who support their views. That'[s fine. That's democracy in action.
The alternatives are far too bad to imagine.

It's more than sort of true. The Senate is supposed to represent the States, the House is supposed to represent the people. Perhaps we need a third division of Congress which supports corporations..
That was true until they passed the constitutional amendmend to provide for direct election of senators. Thanks, Progressives!

Yeah, think how well we would be seen if we still held slavery as legal.


What does slavery have to do with anything?
 
Democrats put country first, unfortunately it's not the USA
Fuck you Frank. I'm a Democrat and enlisted in the US Navy; you're an asshole and never served this nation for one moment.

Liberals enlist in the service to pay for their education. If a war starts, they go AWOL. They have no interest in actually fighting for their country.
 
Just a note here. Senators aren't supposed to vote for what's best for the country, they are supposed to vote for what's best for their state.
That's sort of true.
Look, politicians have constituents. They run on certain ideas and platforms. Some people will support them just because they think its the right thing. Others will support them because they perceive it will be in their interest. Michigan pols consistently supported measures to help the auto industry. Minnesota pols consistently support measures to support dairy farming. They will support candidates who support their views. That'[s fine. That's democracy in action.
The alternatives are far too bad to imagine.

It's more than sort of true. The Senate is supposed to represent the States, the House is supposed to represent the people. Perhaps we need a third division of Congress which supports corporations..
That was true until they passed the constitutional amendmend to provide for direct election of senators. Thanks, Progressives!

Yeah, think how well we would be seen if we still held slavery as legal.


What does slavery have to do with anything?
He's probably black..They have to get that "slavery" stuff in every chance they get...they use it like a club...but that and their other favorite "racist" just aren't working anymore..white people are developing negro fatigue..tired of their antics and nonsense..and crime.....and violence...and paying to support a parasite class..
betcha a coke he's a negro.
 
Is Rot. suggesting I'm black? If so, he's wrong; I'm German, French, Italian and Romanian; my dad's mom was Romanian and Jewish, the rest of my family (and me) are Roman Catholic.

My wife is Welsh, French and German. Thus my sons are mostly German and French, with a bit of Romanian, Italian and Welch..

My dog is Border Collie/Aussie Cattle Dog, and smarter, by far, than Rotagilla.
 
Is Rot. suggesting I'm black? If so, he's wrong; I'm German, French, Italian and Romanian; my dad's mom was Romanian and Jewish, the rest of my family (and me) are Roman Catholic.

My wife is Welsh, French and German. Thus my sons are mostly German and French, with a bit of Romanian, Italian and Welch..

My dog is Border Collie/Aussie Cattle Dog, and smarter, by far, than Rotagilla.


Whatever...that has nothing to do with the fact that even suggesting that slavery would be legal and have persisted until today really makes you look ignorant..
You say something stupid and then start calling me names for it.

I pointed out that even the leaders of the confederacy knew that slavery was going to fade away. The industrial revolution was beginning and it wasn't efficient to use farm animals when machines could do the work of 20 faster and with less upkeep problems. Slaves were more trouble than they were worth.
You say something stupid and then start calling me names for showing how stupid it was.

Next you'll say lincoln started the war of northern aggression to free the slaves or some other nonsense.

Go ask someone who knows history about that...maybe your border collie can tell you if any of that's true.
 
Poor baby, upset for being considered less smart than my dog. Too bad, maybe if he studied more and pontificated less he might make a credible point.

Let's first consider the Lincoln Douglas Debates and then focus on the impact Mr. Llncoln's election had on our history. See:

Abraham Lincoln elected president mdash History.com This Day in History mdash 11 6 1860

I'd suggest some history lessons, starting with the New South:

"Industrialization and urbanization also affected the South. Southern merchants, manufacturers, and newspaper editors of the 1880s led the campaign for a “New South,” where Southern industrialism would break the cycle of rural poverty. States provided special breaks for new businesses and promised cheap labor. Birmingham, Alabama, became a railroad and steel center where mills hired black workers.

Southern textile mills opened in the 1880s in the Piedmont region from central Virginia to Alabama. Mill owners depended on low-skilled, low-paid white labor, and their mills attracted workers from rural areas. Workers settled in company towns where entire families worked for the mill. The South replaced New England as the nation’s leading locale for textile mills.

"Overall, however, the campaign to industrialize the South faltered. As late as 1900, only 5 percent of the Southern labor force, most of it white, worked in industry. Furthermore, Southern industry did not enrich the South. Except for the American Tobacco Company, located in North Carolina, Southern industry was owned mainly by Northern financiers.

Note the date, read more here:

The New South - Industrialization and Urbanization - History - USA - North America southern textile right vote southern industry history industrialization usa history
 

Prolly for the same reasons someone like yourself would vote for a Democrat dirtbag who takes bigtime cheddar from Gyorgi Soros is my guess.

Now, what do I win? :badgrin:

Yup.

Same reason anyone would vote for a Chicago thug named Obama is my guess.

The country sure didn't win a damned thing.
 
Let's first consider the Lincoln Douglas Debates and then focus on the impact Mr. Llncoln's election had on our history.

I said ;
Slavery was fading even before the war of northern aggression. The industrial revolution was beginning and farm animals were beginning to be replaced by machines.

No one ever thought slavery would persist. Not even the leaders of the confederacy.

You said

but now you want to talk about lincoln..Make up your mind.
So, it's resolved that even the leaders of the confederacy knew that it would die out...just like I told you originally.

Moving on to the "great emancipator"..LMAO...

My pleasure to show you some lincoln quotes from the lincoln-douglas debate that they didn't teach you in school;
and as a bonus I've included some others that you probably weren't taught in public school

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union."
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, Letter to Horace Greeley
August 22, 1862

"Negro equality! Fudge!! How long, in the government of a God great enough to make and maintain this Universe, shall there continue knave to vend, and fools to gulp, so low a piece of demagoguism as this?"
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, Fragments: Notes for Speeches
Sept. 1859 (Vol. III)

"But what shall we do with the Negroes after they are free? I believe that it would be better to export them all to some fertile country with a good climate, which they could have to themselves."
--
Abraham Lincoln
-From, Letter to General Benjamin F. Butler
March 1865 (Vol. VII)

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, (applause from audience) that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, 4th Debate with Stephan A. Douglas in Illinois
Sept. 1858 (Vol. III)

"Judge Douglas has said to you that he has not been able to get an answer out of me to the question whether I am in favor of Negro citizenship. So far as I know, the Judge never asked me the question before. (applause from audience) He shall have no occasion to ever ask it again, for I tell him very frankly that I am not in favor of Negro citizenship. (renewed applause) If the state of Illinois has the power to grant Negroes citizenship, I shall be opposed to it. (cries of "here, here" and "good, good" from audience) That is all I have to say."
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, Speech at Sringfield, Illinois
June 1857 (Vol. II)

"In the course of his reply, the Senator remarked that he had always considered this a government made for the white people and not for the Negroes. Why, in point of mere fact, I think so, too."
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, Speech at Peoria, Illinois
Oct. 1854 (Vol. II)

"I think your race suffers very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason why we should at least be separated."
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, Address on Colonization to a Deputation of
Africans in Washington D.C.
August 1862 (Vol. V)

During the Civil War, Lincoln also organized the Bureau of Emigration within the Department of Interior. The sum was $600,000, a huge amount at the time and considering the tremendous war efforts. This Bureau was appropriated with the recolonization and emigration of the African slaves. Two attempts to do this were made with the actual establishment of a colony at Isle-a-Vache, in Haiti, consisting of 453 slaves transported from Virginia. Later, another attempt failed to colonize them in Colombia, South America.




I'd suggest some history lessons, starting with the New South:

"Industrialization and urbanization also affected the South. Southern merchants, manufacturers, and newspaper editors of the 1880s led the campaign for a “New South,” where Southern industrialism would break the cycle of rural poverty. States provided special breaks for new businesses and promised cheap labor. Birmingham, Alabama, became a railroad and steel center where mills hired black workers.

Southern textile mills opened in the 1880s in the Piedmont region from central Virginia to Alabama. Mill owners depended on low-skilled, low-paid white labor, and their mills attracted workers from rural areas. Workers settled in company towns where entire families worked for the mill. The South replaced New England as the nation’s leading locale for textile mills.

"Overall, however, the campaign to industrialize the South faltered. As late as 1900, only 5 percent of the Southern labor force, most of it white, worked in industry. Furthermore, Southern industry did not enrich the South. Except for the American Tobacco Company, located in North Carolina, Southern industry was owned mainly by Northern financiers.

Note the date, read more here:

The New South - Industrialization and Urbanization - History - USA - North America southern textile right vote southern industry history industrialization usa history

That's nice..none of that refutes the fact that the industrial revolution was occurring and the value of slaves was dropping. Why use farm animals when you have machines that can do the work of 20 without the high upkeep? Slavery wasn't economically sound and the leaders of the confederacy knew it would fade away..
 
Just a note here. Senators aren't supposed to vote for what's best for the country, they are supposed to vote for what's best for their state.
That's sort of true.
Look, politicians have constituents. They run on certain ideas and platforms. Some people will support them just because they think its the right thing. Others will support them because they perceive it will be in their interest. Michigan pols consistently supported measures to help the auto industry. Minnesota pols consistently support measures to support dairy farming. They will support candidates who support their views. That'[s fine. That's democracy in action.
The alternatives are far too bad to imagine.

It's more than sort of true. The Senate is supposed to represent the States, the House is supposed to represent the people. Perhaps we need a third division of Congress which supports corporations..
That was true until they passed the constitutional amendmend to provide for direct election of senators. Thanks, Progressives!

Yeah, think how well we would be seen if we still held slavery as legal.

fantasy.

Slavery was fading even before the war of northern aggression. The industrial revolution was beginning and farm animals were beginning to be replaced by machines.

No one ever thought slavery would persist. Not even the leaders of the confederacy.

BULLSHIT!

Not really. Confederates and their sympathisers were well aware that a) machinery was cheaper in the long run and b) the Royal Navy had effectively ended the supply of slaves from Africa. They knew that industrialisation had brought an end to slavery. I mean, if the Romans had harnessed the power of steam to help mine their quarries and power their triremes (boats), do you think that they'd still see the need to keep enslaving people they knew they'd have to feed, clothe, shelter and guard?
 
Let's first consider the Lincoln Douglas Debates and then focus on the impact Mr. Llncoln's election had on our history.

I said ;
Slavery was fading even before the war of northern aggression. The industrial revolution was beginning and farm animals were beginning to be replaced by machines.

No one ever thought slavery would persist. Not even the leaders of the confederacy.

You said

but now you want to talk about lincoln..Make up your mind.
So, it's resolved that even the leaders of the confederacy knew that it would die out...just like I told you originally.

Moving on to the "great emancipator"..LMAO...

My pleasure to show you some lincoln quotes from the lincoln-douglas debate that they didn't teach you in school;
and as a bonus I've included some others that you probably weren't taught in public school

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or to destroy slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves I would do it; and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it helps to save the Union."
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, Letter to Horace Greeley
August 22, 1862

"Negro equality! Fudge!! How long, in the government of a God great enough to make and maintain this Universe, shall there continue knave to vend, and fools to gulp, so low a piece of demagoguism as this?"
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, Fragments: Notes for Speeches
Sept. 1859 (Vol. III)

"But what shall we do with the Negroes after they are free? I believe that it would be better to export them all to some fertile country with a good climate, which they could have to themselves."
--
Abraham Lincoln
-From, Letter to General Benjamin F. Butler
March 1865 (Vol. VII)

"I will say then that I am not, nor ever have been in favor of bringing about in any way the social and political equality of the white and black races, (applause from audience) that I am not nor ever have been in favor of making voters or jurors of Negroes, nor of qualifying them to hold office, nor to intermarry with white people. I will say in addition to this that there is a physical difference between the white and black races which I believe will forever forbid the two races living together on terms of social and political equality. And inasmuch as they cannot so live, while they do remain together there must be the position of superior and inferior, and I as much as any other man am in favor of having the superior position assigned to the white race."
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, 4th Debate with Stephan A. Douglas in Illinois
Sept. 1858 (Vol. III)

"Judge Douglas has said to you that he has not been able to get an answer out of me to the question whether I am in favor of Negro citizenship. So far as I know, the Judge never asked me the question before. (applause from audience) He shall have no occasion to ever ask it again, for I tell him very frankly that I am not in favor of Negro citizenship. (renewed applause) If the state of Illinois has the power to grant Negroes citizenship, I shall be opposed to it. (cries of "here, here" and "good, good" from audience) That is all I have to say."
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, Speech at Sringfield, Illinois
June 1857 (Vol. II)

"In the course of his reply, the Senator remarked that he had always considered this a government made for the white people and not for the Negroes. Why, in point of mere fact, I think so, too."
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, Speech at Peoria, Illinois
Oct. 1854 (Vol. II)

"I think your race suffers very greatly, many of them by living among us, while ours suffers from your presence. In a word we suffer on each side. If this is admitted, it affords a reason why we should at least be separated."
-- Abraham Lincoln
-From, Address on Colonization to a Deputation of
Africans in Washington D.C.
August 1862 (Vol. V)

During the Civil War, Lincoln also organized the Bureau of Emigration within the Department of Interior. The sum was $600,000, a huge amount at the time and considering the tremendous war efforts. This Bureau was appropriated with the recolonization and emigration of the African slaves. Two attempts to do this were made with the actual establishment of a colony at Isle-a-Vache, in Haiti, consisting of 453 slaves transported from Virginia. Later, another attempt failed to colonize them in Colombia, South America.




I'd suggest some history lessons, starting with the New South:

"Industrialization and urbanization also affected the South. Southern merchants, manufacturers, and newspaper editors of the 1880s led the campaign for a “New South,” where Southern industrialism would break the cycle of rural poverty. States provided special breaks for new businesses and promised cheap labor. Birmingham, Alabama, became a railroad and steel center where mills hired black workers.

Southern textile mills opened in the 1880s in the Piedmont region from central Virginia to Alabama. Mill owners depended on low-skilled, low-paid white labor, and their mills attracted workers from rural areas. Workers settled in company towns where entire families worked for the mill. The South replaced New England as the nation’s leading locale for textile mills.

"Overall, however, the campaign to industrialize the South faltered. As late as 1900, only 5 percent of the Southern labor force, most of it white, worked in industry. Furthermore, Southern industry did not enrich the South. Except for the American Tobacco Company, located in North Carolina, Southern industry was owned mainly by Northern financiers.

Note the date, read more here:

The New South - Industrialization and Urbanization - History - USA - North America southern textile right vote southern industry history industrialization usa history

That's nice..none of that refutes the fact that the industrial revolution was occurring and the value of slaves was dropping. Why use farm animals when you have machines that can do the work of 20 without the high upkeep? Slavery wasn't economically sound and the leaders of the confederacy knew it would fade away..

You've proved nothing. The effect of Lincoln's election was immediate, and in response to his assertion to not support the expansion of slavery. You provide no evidence that the South was on the verge of joining the Industrial Revolution, the evidence I provided is probative that even by 1900 they were still on the sidelines.
 

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