Could We Please Stop Calling Obama, Reid, and Pelosi Liberals?

[Coloradomtnman]

Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.

Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.

I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.

 

[Immanuel]

Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.

Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.

I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.

Oh oh, here it comes. In a week, they will be calling them right wing nuts. Just watch!

Look, Bush was a flaming liberal, at least on spending and as for social policies, well, he sure wasn't my kind of conservative. We had every right to toss him your way... but, you ain't gonna pawn those three off on us! No way... no how!!!!

Immie

 

[KittenKoder]

Colorado is right though, they are not liberals, and Immie, there are more positions than liberal and conservative, many more, a rainbow of positions if you may.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

Oh oh, here it comes. In a week, they will be calling them right wing nuts. Just watch!

Look, Bush was a flaming liberal, at least on spending and as for social policies, well, he sure wasn't my kind of conservative. We had every right to toss him your way... but, you ain't gonna pawn those three off on us! No way... no how!!!!

Immie

No, no! You have to keep Bush. Both of'em. We'll take Kucinich - if we have to. The Democrats can keep Obama, Reid, and Pelosi.

 

[Immanuel]

Oh oh, here it comes. In a week, they will be calling them right wing nuts. Just watch!

Look, Bush was a flaming liberal, at least on spending and as for social policies, well, he sure wasn't my kind of conservative. We had every right to toss him your way... but, you ain't gonna pawn those three off on us! No way... no how!!!!

Immie

No, no! You have to keep Bush. Both of'em. We'll take Kucinich - if we have to. The Democrats can keep Obama, Reid, and Pelosi.

We're not taking Bush back. He's yours and you can have him.

KK, I realize that and am not arguing with CMM about this. Just kidding around.

Immie

 

[KittenKoder]

Oh oh, here it comes. In a week, they will be calling them right wing nuts. Just watch!

Look, Bush was a flaming liberal, at least on spending and as for social policies, well, he sure wasn't my kind of conservative. We had every right to toss him your way... but, you ain't gonna pawn those three off on us! No way... no how!!!!

Immie

No, no! You have to keep Bush. Both of'em. We'll take Kucinich - if we have to. The Democrats can keep Obama, Reid, and Pelosi.

We're not taking Bush back. He's yours and you can have him.

KK, I realize that and am not arguing with CMM about this. Just kidding around.

Immie

Oops, there I go again ducking below the humor line ...
I gotta stop letting them fly over my head.

 

[Nik]

Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.

Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.

I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.

Oh oh, here it comes. In a week, they will be calling them right wing nuts. Just watch!

Look, Bush was a flaming liberal, at least on spending and as for social policies, well, he sure wasn't my kind of conservative. We had every right to toss him your way... but, you ain't gonna pawn those three off on us! No way... no how!!!!

Immie

Bush wasn't a liberal on spending policy. Being liberal doesn't mean "omg, lets spend money on anything and everything". It means spending money on the things we, as liberals, care about. Spending money on invading third world countries, and building up the military doesn't count as being liberal.

 

[Coloradomtnman]

We're not taking Bush back. He's yours and you can have him.

KK, I realize that and am not arguing with CMM about this. Just kidding around.

Immie

Alright, I tell you what, you take Bush and we'll take Obama. Deal?

 

[Immanuel]

No, no! You have to keep Bush. Both of'em. We'll take Kucinich - if we have to. The Democrats can keep Obama, Reid, and Pelosi.

We're not taking Bush back. He's yours and you can have him.

KK, I realize that and am not arguing with CMM about this. Just kidding around.

Immie

Oops, there I go again ducking below the humor line ...
I gotta stop letting them fly over my head.

Tis okay KK... I didn't wave the sarcasm flag.

Look. I'm a liberal. Obama, Reid, and Pelosi are left-leaning centrists. If someone has voted the way Obama, Reid, and Pelosi have, they aren't liberals; they're centrists.

Think of politics as a spectrum. Chomsky is a liberal, Nader is a liberal, the Green Party is liberal, but Democrats are not liberals. Democrats are centrists. Some Democrats voted for the Patriot Act for God's sakes! That isn't liberal. That's as right-wing as you can get from a liberal point of view. Anybody who doesn't immediately act to stop waterboarding isn't liberal. Anybody who supports clean coal isn't liberal. Anybody who maintains a military presence in Afghanistan isn't liberal. Anybody who bails out Wallstreet and the big national banks isn't liberal. If the spectrum goes from blue to red, then liberals are ultra-violet; anyone in the blue is just a liberalistic centrist with some right-wing tendencies.

I know that those of you who see politics from the right-side of the spectrum perceive centrists as liberals, but remember: you have to adjust for bias. Its called Kentucky windage.

Oh oh, here it comes. In a week, they will be calling them right wing nuts. Just watch!

Look, Bush was a flaming liberal, at least on spending and as for social policies, well, he sure wasn't my kind of conservative. We had every right to toss him your way... but, you ain't gonna pawn those three off on us! No way... no how!!!!

Immie

Bush wasn't a liberal on spending policy. Being liberal doesn't mean "omg, lets spend money on anything and everything". It means spending money on the things we, as liberals, care about. Spending money on invading third world countries, and building up the military doesn't count as being liberal.

Sorry, Nik, you missed my poor attempt at humor as well.

Immie

 

[wihosa]

If you believe the right wing propaganda that wild spending is equivelant with liberal, then one could conclude that Bush was a liberal. Also if you believe the right wingers, you would believe that any one to the left of Limbaugh is communist pinko.

If you are a righty then everyone to your left is a lefty but if you look to your right and see no one then clearly you are on the extreme right and every one to you left are only gradations of the spectrum.

This is the position we find our national politics in the wake of thiry years of rightward tilt.

 

[KittenKoder]

*is happy, doesn't have to take any of them*

 

[Immanuel]

We're not taking Bush back. He's yours and you can have him.

KK, I realize that and am not arguing with CMM about this. Just kidding around.

Immie

Alright, I tell you what, you take Bush and we'll take Obama. Deal?

No way... is not open for negotiaton AT ALL.

No Deal!

Immie

 

[DiamondDave]

They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government...

 

[Nik]

We're not taking Bush back. He's yours and you can have him.

KK, I realize that and am not arguing with CMM about this. Just kidding around.

Immie

Oops, there I go again ducking below the humor line ...
I gotta stop letting them fly over my head.

Tis okay KK... I didn't wave the sarcasm flag.

Oh oh, here it comes. In a week, they will be calling them right wing nuts. Just watch!

Look, Bush was a flaming liberal, at least on spending and as for social policies, well, he sure wasn't my kind of conservative. We had every right to toss him your way... but, you ain't gonna pawn those three off on us! No way... no how!!!!

Immie

Bush wasn't a liberal on spending policy. Being liberal doesn't mean "omg, lets spend money on anything and everything". It means spending money on the things we, as liberals, care about. Spending money on invading third world countries, and building up the military doesn't count as being liberal.

Sorry, Nik, you missed my poor attempt at humor as well.

Immie

Haha, well some people actually think that kind of shit, that Bush was a liberal. Its hard to filter out when you make jokes that people actually think ;p

 

[Coloradomtnman]

They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government...

Dave, remember the shooting range? Its windy. You have to adjust. If Obama is as far left as you can get, then what is Chomsky and Nader? What is the American Socialist party? The Green Party? They're even more liberal than the three I named.

 

[Nik]

They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government...

Really?

So has he ended the war yet? Has he stopped DADT? Has he fully funded all social programs? Has he funded Legal Aid to 1970's levels yet? Come out for gay marriage? Tried to repeal DOMA?

And those are just a few issues.

 

[Immanuel]

Oops, there I go again ducking below the humor line ...
I gotta stop letting them fly over my head.

Tis okay KK... I didn't wave the sarcasm flag.

Bush wasn't a liberal on spending policy. Being liberal doesn't mean "omg, lets spend money on anything and everything". It means spending money on the things we, as liberals, care about. Spending money on invading third world countries, and building up the military doesn't count as being liberal.

Sorry, Nik, you missed my poor attempt at humor as well.

Immie

Haha, well some people actually think that kind of shit, that Bush was a liberal. Its hard to filter out when you make jokes that people actually think ;p

Especially when I don't wave the sarcasm flag. I'm guilty of expecting everyone to have seen the joke in that because I expected everyone to realize I was kidding.

Bush spent like a drunken liberal who spends like a drunken sailor.

I personally do not believe he showed conservative qualities in his policies either, but they clearly were not left wing policies either.

Immie

 

[wihosa]

They're FAR from being centrists.. and about as far left as you can get on stances, voting records, etc, within our government...

Dave, remember the shooting range? Its windy. You have to adjust. If Obama is as far left as you can get, then what is Chomsky and Nader? What is the American Socialist party? The Green Party? They're even more liberal than the three I named.

Please don't confuse him with facts.

 

[007]

Could We Please Stop Calling Obama, Reid, and Pelosi Liberals?

No. And I'm not going to start calling day, night either.

 

[Nik]

Could We Please Stop Calling Obama, Reid, and Pelosi Liberals?

No. And I'm not going to start calling day, night either.

Of course you won't start doing it. You've been doing it for years now.