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That’s your culture, not mine.
No. That’s not cultural. It’s just a fact. The past has contributed to our present, without doubt, just as it contributes (like we do) Tom our future.

But if I speak about your great grandparents, I’m talking about them, not about you. It’s just a fact.
 

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Have you ever considered just growing up , instead?

You attach the negative qualities of individuals to an entire race while systematically negating and ignoring the good. Meanwhile you ignore anything negative in your own while exhibiting all the traits you hate in the other to the absolute hilt
Have you ever considered respecting other peoples culture?
 
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Have you ever considered respecting other peoples culture?
I have not said anything distrspectful about your culture. I am talking to you as an individual to an individual.

Grow up.
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I have not said anything distrspectful about your culture. I am talking to you as an individual to an individual.

Grow up.
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Exactly! And this is the problem - the leftists (look….I said leftist!) have it so if you criticize ANY member of a minority race or ethnic group, you are accused of being racist or bigoted against the entire group.

Just you watch. If the cackling idiot becomes president, any criticism of her will be met with the response “you’re raaaaaacist!” The whole thing is so overdone.
 

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Exactly! And this is the problem - the leftists (look….I said leftist!) have it so if you criticize ANY member of a minority race or ethnic group, you are accused of being racist or bigoted against the entire group.

Just you watch. If the cackling idiot becomes president, any criticism of her will be met with the response “you’re raaaaaacist!” The whole thing is so overdone.
Leftists have infantilzed blacks and certain other minorities. They have done this by never making people of certain minorities responsible for ANYTHING they do. They are ALYAYS treated as a victim even when they are the obvious aggressor.
 
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Leftists have infantilzed blacks and certain other minorities. They have done this by never making people of certain minorities responsible for ANYTHING they do. They are ALYAYS treated as a victim even when they are the onvious aggressor.
And if someone recognizes that blacks are adults, and have the power within themselves to make the right choices in life (which the majority have), that person is called….you guessed it…..”a raaaaaacist.”
 

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I am reminded of a comedy bit. I forget his name but it was about being offended. He said 'so be offended...nothing happens.' If someone says something you find offensive, they probably won't wake up with leprosy or words to that effect. Derek Chauvin was a racist white cop. The result of his racism was the death of George Floyd. Andrew Jackson was a racist president. The result of his racism was the Trail of Tears where thousands of Cherokees died. I doubt Lisa has much to worry about if someone calls her a racist.
Was Chauvin a racist bad cop, or just a bad cop? I can't recall if that question was ever posed.
 

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because you aligned me with racists. You people really need to learn how Zone 1 works.
I think we are all confused about how Zone 1 works. It seems one side of the political divide and name call and insult at will and the other can't.
 

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Was Chauvin a racist bad cop, or just a bad cop? I can't recall if that question was ever posed.
And that is another example of blaming something on racism when there was no evidence it was a factor. Race wasn’t even mentioned at trial. Yet the BLM terrorist group used that case to instigate a destructive rampage over “racism” that involved dozens of cities, went on for month after month, cost 30 people their lives, and did billions of dollars in property damage.
 

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I think we are all confused about how Zone 1 works. It seems one side of the political divide and name call and insult at will and the other can't.
Yes, and we see that playing out IRL. One side of the political divide can threaten U.S. Supreme Court justices over a ruling they don’t like and face no jail time, act like savages as they destroy cities throughout the country (and even take over one area and said it was no longer US territory), or murder people and we never hear anything further - and on the other side of the political divide, when a white teen kills in self-defense, his trial is televised; and people who trespassed into the Capitol are thrown in jail for a year without a trial.
 
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No, libs are saying it

A good example is Georgia Pacific in Louisiana who attempted to give literacy tests to all new employees

The DOJ (under bush43 no less) said that was racist discrimination against black people

Need I say more?
According to your argument, the American government has said the same thing about whites for the entire time America has been a country. Whites like you don't seem to understand that.
 
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In the case of Georgia Pacific libs are ignoring reality
In the case of the American system and how it operates white right wingers are ignoring reality.

It's either that or you are fascists who want 100 percent white preference in everything.
 

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Actually we absorb other cultures, adopt the best parts and discard the rest.
That's one way to say it. Another, and more accurate way would be you steal the best parts and bury the rest. In mass graves.
 
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Have you ever considered respecting other peoples culture?
No he hasn't. He been brainwashed his entire life to believe a lie.
 
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AZrailwhale said:
Actually we absorb other cultures, adopt the best parts and discard the rest.

Actually you have forced your way by trying to cancel the original cultures that existed here.

You descend from some of the worst that came from Europe. People who ran away from European wastelands because they were nothing, debtors, criminals and then there were some greedy aristocrats who looked to expand their wealth. So keep telling us about your "superior" civilization.
 
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You came up with a list of people who are racist, and then referred to me by name, in effect adding me to the list.
You belong on that list.
 

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AZrailwhale said:
Actually we absorb other cultures, adopt the best parts and discard the rest.

Actually you have forced your way by trying to cancel the original cultures that existed here.

You descend from some of the worst that came from Europe. People who ran away from European wastelands because they were nothing, debtors, criminals and then there were some greedy aristocrats who looked to expand their wealth. So keep telling us about your "superior" civilization.
European wastelands, you mean islands of culture that were producing works of art, beautiful music still played hundreds of years later, enduring buildings showcasing the best construction methods and materials, ships that could sail around the globe, mechanical marvels like the chronometer that aided in locating people on the trackless seas and in trackless deserts. Pretty much everything you enjoy today, including the computer you are posting on, and the internet come from that European culture.

Many of the people who came here were outcasts, one of my ancestors certainly was, he was the youngest son of The Spencer who had to come to the colonies on an indenture because the family riches and property went to his brothers. But one thing ALL the European and Asian immigrants had in common was that they were willing to risk everything for a better life in North America. Your ancestors on the other hand, risked nothing, they had to be dragged from their comfortable existence in the jungles and savannahs of Africa in chains. So don't get high and mighty about ancestors. Some of my ancestors may have been scoundrels and failures in Europe, but yours were all losers enslaved by other blacks and sold on the block for trinkets and cheap muskets.
 

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Advocating for equity, freedom, and justice has no association to victimhood. It is the most powerful way to honor the human beings who persisted through hellish conditions to pave the way for those of us alive now.
While that was a terrifically written OP, and I agree with nearly all of it, there were a few things, there were open to debate.

First? IMO, you are confusing, partisan politics, with issues of in-group/out-group biases and tribal affinities.

This whole notion of, "equity?" within the American system? Where did you ever even get the notion, or impression, that even among the white populations, anyone feels there is any, "equity," or "equality?" Except for the WASPs? At one point in time, every nation, the Irish, the Jews, the Germans, the Italians, the Russians, I could go on, EVERYONE, has been the out-group. Nearly everyone in America understands, there IS NO EQUITY, that is just given, individuals, families, and communities have to work, sacrifice, and strive to get ahead. America is, and always has been, a dog eat dog society. That fact that you have socialist leanings, and want to call everyone that doesn't, a "racist," doesn't go very far on this forum.

This is a socialist idea, "equity," which has nothing to do with race. Of course, there is a larger portion/percentage of people in the black community, which have less wealth and power, than in the dominant society. With that said, you can't PROVE that is a result of systemic racism at this point. If we do a similar analysis, on say, Indian (sub-continent) Americans, or Asian Americans? We will NOT find the same thing. Black Americans, have developed their own subculture, which does not value success as much as other sub-nations in the American nation. That same can be said of Native Americans, many of them just DO NOT value material wealth, power, and individual success, as much as community integration, and individuals supporting each other.

That is part of the inherent fabric of the original culture and fabric of the founding character of this nation. . which Hellbilly rightfully pointed out. The founders thought most of the native nations were savages. They only really respected, and had great reverence for the Iroquois confederacy. The rest? Uncivilized barbarians.

Is there some truth to the systemic discriminatory white supremacist narrative? Maybe, some. . . but I do think your characterization of conservatives and Republicans as, automatically, "racist," because they don't support your socialist world view? Is an straw-man.

When you call conservative blacks who disagree with your politics, as "house blacks," "uncle toms," or otherwise, possessing mental illness, it clearly shows, you are confusing the very real issue of racism and discrimination, with AMERICAN POLITICS. Can you even name a single republican or conservative black that you have respect for? If not, is really devalues, and delegitimizes much of your posting on race, are reveals them as what they are, political screeds.



Folks get really tired of you trying to use the race card, to disingenuously advance your political goals.

ME? I will stand with you to the gates of hell my American brother, to fight for all of my fellow Americans to have equal opportunities before the law. I WILL NOT, however, let race be used as a political weapon by partisans, to divide and destroy the nation . . . The NWO is rushing up quickly to enslave all of us, and united we stand, divided, WE WILL FALL.

As an example? This used to be displayed in the Smithsonian, it is a piece of Critical Race Theory, and clearly aimed and reshaping American culture. . . but really? It has not a bit to do with "WHITE SUPREMACY." I found it interesting when those girls laughed in the video flacaltenn posted, telling those boys, that whites have no culture. And then, academics and the establishment, sit there telling the folks of America, what "whiteness," is, and how it is, "bad." :rolleyes:

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It is what this nation was founded on. And? It is what folks from Latin America, the Middle East, Asia, and Africa, STILL come here to this day, in overwhelming numbers, to enjoy. It is non-sense to try to recast this as. . . "white supremacy." It is why more folks flock here, than any other place on Earth, for the chance at individual sovereignty, for freedom, civil liberties, and civil rights. All of it? Was ostensibly guaranteed, and made possible by a government first invented by the Iroquois' "Great Law of the Peace."

But any socialist/Jacobinist, that comes on here, and attempts to use race to divide us all, and destroy that? Is going to continue to meet with a certain level of resistance.
 

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Considering this a message board and I don't know who anyone actually is, that is a question I can't answer.
Quite a few white posters, including myself, have been called racists, falsely of course. I have never even hinted at saying anything racist, nor do I possess any power, which, according to some, is why whites can be racist, but not blacks. Racism isn’t about power, it’s the dislike or hatred of people because of their skin color.
 
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