Contraception - a discussion

[rightwinger]

Sex is optional. You can either choose to have sex or knot. If you choose to have sex you should act like a good girl and not a whore. A whore expects others to pay for her to play..

So any woman whose insurance company currently covers birth control is a whore

Thanks for clarifying

didn't say that tampon. if they willingly pay for it that's their choice,, forced is another matter.. but then we girls don't expect tampons to know much.

Insurance covers thousands of medications and procedures. Are they being "forced" on you too?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Sex is optional. You can either choose to have sex or knot. If you choose to have sex you should act like a good girl and not a whore. A whore expects others to pay for her to play..

I'm familair with sex but didn't know the alternative was" knot". Is that something one does with their SO? Oh! I bet you meant Twister.

Knot is what some Women do with their tubes.

 

[kaz]

So any woman whose insurance company currently covers birth control is a whore

Thanks for clarifying

didn't say that tampon. if they willingly pay for it that's their choice,, forced is another matter.. but then we girls don't expect tampons to know much.

Insurance covers thousands of medications and procedures. Are they being "forced" on you too?

You seriously don't understand the difference between a contract between insurer and insured and a government mandate?

 

[rightwinger]

didn't say that tampon. if they willingly pay for it that's their choice,, forced is another matter.. but then we girls don't expect tampons to know much.

Insurance covers thousands of medications and procedures. Are they being "forced" on you too?

You seriously don't understand the difference between a contract between insurer and insured and a government mandate?

The government sets insurance regulations. They have a right to regulate commerce

 

[Intense]

Insurance covers thousands of medications and procedures. Are they being "forced" on you too?

You seriously don't understand the difference between a contract between insurer and insured and a government mandate?

The government sets insurance regulations. They have a right to regulate commerce

They have no inherit right to violate Conscience.

 

[kaz]

Insurance covers thousands of medications and procedures. Are they being "forced" on you too?

You seriously don't understand the difference between a contract between insurer and insured and a government mandate?

The government sets insurance regulations. They have a right to regulate commerce

While it's true they have the right to regulate "inter" state commerce, that right was intended to enable and not restrict it. However, that still doesn't mean you didn't evade the point. What about addressing it?

 

[Syphon]

You seriously don't understand the difference between a contract between insurer and insured and a government mandate?

The government sets insurance regulations. They have a right to regulate commerce

They have no inherit right to violate Conscience.

how are they violating conscience if they are not forcing anyone to take any product?

understand how insurance actually works:
the way health (and really all) insurance works is that you pay a premium for access to services. when you pay your premium and do not receive any services, you area subsidizing someone else's services. so every month i pay premiums, i help to pay for some guys viagra, or some womans pap smear, or some kids physical. should i be raising hell that they should be paying for those services themselves? but your insurance contract will not allow for that. call your insurance company and demand that none of your premium dollars be used for any services or treatment you disagree with and see what happens.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

So any woman whose insurance company currently covers birth control is a whore

Thanks for clarifying

didn't say that tampon. if they willingly pay for it that's their choice,, forced is another matter.. but then we girls don't expect tampons to know much.

Insurance covers thousands of medications and procedures. Are they being "forced" on you too?

Only the ones the government mandates.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Insurance covers thousands of medications and procedures. Are they being "forced" on you too?

You seriously don't understand the difference between a contract between insurer and insured and a government mandate?

The government sets insurance regulations. They have a right to regulate commerce

The government has no rights, only individuals have rights.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

how are they violating conscience if they are not forcing anyone to take any product?

By forcing them to buy a product for others.

understand how insurance actually works:

I bet this is going to be interesting, and wrong.

the way health (and really all) insurance works is that you pay a premium for access to services. when you pay your premium and do not receive any services, you area subsidizing someone else's services. so every month i pay premiums, i help to pay for some guys viagra, or some womans pap smear, or some kids physical. should i be raising hell that they should be paying for those services themselves? but your insurance contract will not allow for that. call your insurance company and demand that none of your premium dollars be used for any services or treatment you disagree with and see what happens.

I was wrong, it wasn't interesting at all.

The way insurance works is you pay another person a fee to assume the risk of you getting sick. If you remain healthy, they collect, if you don't, you do. Fee for services is not insurance, it is a phone bill.

 

[Syphon]

how are they violating conscience if they are not forcing anyone to take any product?

By forcing them to buy a product for others.

understand how insurance actually works:

I bet this is going to be interesting, and wrong.

the way health (and really all) insurance works is that you pay a premium for access to services. when you pay your premium and do not receive any services, you area subsidizing someone else's services. so every month i pay premiums, i help to pay for some guys viagra, or some womans pap smear, or some kids physical. should i be raising hell that they should be paying for those services themselves? but your insurance contract will not allow for that. call your insurance company and demand that none of your premium dollars be used for any services or treatment you disagree with and see what happens.

I was wrong, it wasn't interesting at all.

The way insurance works is you pay another person a fee to assume the risk of you getting sick. If you remain healthy, they collect, if you don't, you do. Fee for services is not insurance, it is a phone bill.

how does insurance work again? how are they not already paying for others product?

learn how insurance actually works.

lets say you you have a heart attack and the cost of the open heart surgery to fix you is $250,000. do you actually pay $250,000? no, you pay your premium for access to that service at a fixed rate. the money that is needed to cover that procedure which you have not paid into the system is covered how??? by other peoples premiums who are not using services!!!!!!!! hence you pay for other peoples services every single day. if you can not understand this simple premise of how all insurance works, youre dumber than a bag of rocks.

 

[rightwinger]

You seriously don't understand the difference between a contract between insurer and insured and a government mandate?

The government sets insurance regulations. They have a right to regulate commerce

They have no inherit right to violate Conscience.

They have no right to appease your religious beliefs

 

[Quantum Windbag]

how are they violating conscience if they are not forcing anyone to take any product?

By forcing them to buy a product for others.



I bet this is going to be interesting, and wrong.

the way health (and really all) insurance works is that you pay a premium for access to services. when you pay your premium and do not receive any services, you area subsidizing someone else's services. so every month i pay premiums, i help to pay for some guys viagra, or some womans pap smear, or some kids physical. should i be raising hell that they should be paying for those services themselves? but your insurance contract will not allow for that. call your insurance company and demand that none of your premium dollars be used for any services or treatment you disagree with and see what happens.

I was wrong, it wasn't interesting at all.

The way insurance works is you pay another person a fee to assume the risk of you getting sick. If you remain healthy, they collect, if you don't, you do. Fee for services is not insurance, it is a phone bill.

how does insurance work again? how are they not already paying for others product?

learn how insurance actually works.

lets say you you have a heart attack and the cost of the open heart surgery to fix you is $250,000. do you actually pay $250,000? no, you pay your premium for access to that service at a fixed rate. the money that is needed to cover that procedure which you have not paid into the system is covered how??? by other peoples premiums who are not using services!!!!!!!! hence you pay for other peoples services every single day. if you can not understand this simple premise of how all insurance works, youre dumber than a bag of rocks.

This is even more hilarious, now you want to tell me how insurance works.

If you buy liability insurance for your car, and your car gets stolen, it is not covered, because you decided to accept the risk yourself, which means you are out the entire cost to replace the care. Try buying insurance for oil changes sometime, and see how much it would cost you. The reason insurance costs are going up is idiots like you think it is supposed to cover things it isn't.

Health insurance works the same way, you pay someone else to assume the risk of you getting a heart attack. That is not a fee for service type thing, fee for service is how insurance companies pay doctors. There are actually health plans that work the way you describe. They work by people who agree to pay a fixed monthly rate, but their rate is payed directly to people who need it. I am pretty sure Obamacare made those illegal, since they do not cover routine expenses.

 

[Syphon]

By forcing them to buy a product for others.



I bet this is going to be interesting, and wrong.



I was wrong, it wasn't interesting at all.

The way insurance works is you pay another person a fee to assume the risk of you getting sick. If you remain healthy, they collect, if you don't, you do. Fee for services is not insurance, it is a phone bill.

how does insurance work again? how are they not already paying for others product?

learn how insurance actually works.

lets say you you have a heart attack and the cost of the open heart surgery to fix you is $250,000. do you actually pay $250,000? no, you pay your premium for access to that service at a fixed rate. the money that is needed to cover that procedure which you have not paid into the system is covered how??? by other peoples premiums who are not using services!!!!!!!! hence you pay for other peoples services every single day. if you can not understand this simple premise of how all insurance works, youre dumber than a bag of rocks.

This is even more hilarious, now you want to tell me how insurance works.

If you buy liability insurance for your car, and your car gets stolen, it is not covered, because you decided to accept the risk yourself, which means you are out the entire cost to replace the care. Try buying insurance for oil changes sometime, and see how much it would cost you. The reason insurance costs are going up is idiots like you think it is supposed to cover things it isn't.

Health insurance works the same way, you pay someone else to assume the risk of you getting a heart attack. That is not a fee for service type thing, fee for service is how insurance companies pay doctors. There are actually health plans that work the way you describe. They work by people who agree to pay a fixed monthly rate, but their rate is payed directly to people who need it. I am pretty sure Obamacare made those illegal, since they do not cover routine expenses.

man you need to go back and get an education of at least the high school level.

so lets use your car insurance analogy.

so you have car insurance (mandated by the government none the less). and you get in an accident and cause damage. we'll even take your liability case as an example. the damage you cause is $75,000. now youve only had insurance for 1 years at a rate of $50 per month. so you in essence have paid $600 into the insurance pool. now where does the other $74,400 come from? Other peoples premiums!!!!! holy shit, so other people are actually paying for your mistakes. you are correct in one thing, and that is insurance helps spread the risk. now if you have full coverage insurance and you get hurt, then your insurance company will pay out to yourself. same example, if you have had insurance for 1 year and have been paying $50 a month ($600 a year) and get in an accident that is your fault and your medical bills are $200,000. where does that other $199,400 come from? ohhh thats right other people premiums!!!!! amazing, you dont understand how this works.

but you are wrong in the way it works behind the scenes. i never said it was a fee based services. i said you pay a fee for "access" to medical services. that fee is called a premium. you fail to understand that somewhere somehow the actual cost for your services is paid for by the pool of money the company bring in through premiums. if an insurance company is paying out more in services than they are getting in premiums they current do 2 things. they drop those who cost too much to insure, or they raise rates to cover those services. regardless, the money that actually pays doctors is from the pool of premiums that everyone pays. hence you pay other peoples services every day of the week. whether you want to admit it or not.
but the again the right isnt big on facts.

 

[paulitician]

Socialists/Progressives like to have it both ways on issues like this. They don't really want the Government out of the bedroom. They only want that when it's convenient for them. They fully support the Government forcing Taxpayers to subsidize fellow Citizens' personal sexual behavior. They also fully support forcing Taxpayers to subsidize Abortions. So they're not very honest or consistent. It's time for Big Government to really get out of the bedroom. Let the age of personal responsibility dawn.

No, they don’t, because they know it’s illegal to use taxpayers’ funds to subsidize abortion. So liberals don’t want to ‘have it both ways,’ they’re being perfectly honest and consistent.

If conservatives really want ‘Big Government ’out of the bedroom and an age of ‘personal responsibility’ to dawn, then they need to cease their efforts to violate a woman’s right to privacy with regard to abortion and access to contraceptives.

The hypocrisy and ignorance belongs to conservatives alone.

FactCheck.org : The Abortion Issue

Unless of course one is dealing with conservatives who oppose abortion for women in cases of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother; in addition to being ignorant hypocrites, such conservatives are also criminals.

These are private personal matters. They are not Government matters. The Government should not be involved with these issues at all. Have all the Contraceptives & Abortions you want, just don't demand fellow Citizens pay for it. Your personal sexual behavior is your business & responsibility. Fellow Citizens/Taxpayers are not responsible for subsidizing your personal sexual behavior. The Government needs to get out of the bedroom once and for all.

 

[Syphon]

Socialists/Progressives like to have it both ways on issues like this. They don't really want the Government out of the bedroom. They only want that when it's convenient for them. They fully support the Government forcing Taxpayers to subsidize fellow Citizens' personal sexual behavior. They also fully support forcing Taxpayers to subsidize Abortions. So they're not very honest or consistent. It's time for Big Government to really get out of the bedroom. Let the age of personal responsibility dawn.

No, they don’t, because they know it’s illegal to use taxpayers’ funds to subsidize abortion. So liberals don’t want to ‘have it both ways,’ they’re being perfectly honest and consistent.

If conservatives really want ‘Big Government ’out of the bedroom and an age of ‘personal responsibility’ to dawn, then they need to cease their efforts to violate a woman’s right to privacy with regard to abortion and access to contraceptives.

The hypocrisy and ignorance belongs to conservatives alone.

FactCheck.org : The Abortion Issue

Unless of course one is dealing with conservatives who oppose abortion for women in cases of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother; in addition to being ignorant hypocrites, such conservatives are also criminals.

These are private personal matters. They are not Government matters. The Government should not be involved with these issues at all. Have all the Contraceptives & Abortions you want, just don't demand fellow Citizens pay for it. Your personal sexual behavior is your business & responsibility. Fellow Citizens/Taxpayers are not responsible for subsidizing your personal sexual behavior. The Government needs to get out of the bedroom once and for all.

read my several posts on how health insurance actually works and realize that you already pay for other peoples services. and you raising issues with your health care provider already? making sure that none of your premiums dollars are going towards services you disagree with?

 

[paulitician]

No, they don’t, because they know it’s illegal to use taxpayers’ funds to subsidize abortion. So liberals don’t want to ‘have it both ways,’ they’re being perfectly honest and consistent.

If conservatives really want ‘Big Government ’out of the bedroom and an age of ‘personal responsibility’ to dawn, then they need to cease their efforts to violate a woman’s right to privacy with regard to abortion and access to contraceptives.

The hypocrisy and ignorance belongs to conservatives alone.

FactCheck.org : The Abortion Issue

Unless of course one is dealing with conservatives who oppose abortion for women in cases of rape or incest, or to save the life of the mother; in addition to being ignorant hypocrites, such conservatives are also criminals.

These are private personal matters. They are not Government matters. The Government should not be involved with these issues at all. Have all the Contraceptives & Abortions you want, just don't demand fellow Citizens pay for it. Your personal sexual behavior is your business & responsibility. Fellow Citizens/Taxpayers are not responsible for subsidizing your personal sexual behavior. The Government needs to get out of the bedroom once and for all.

read my several posts on how health insurance actually works and realize that you already pay for other peoples services. and you raising issues with your health care provider already? making sure that none of your premiums dollars are going towards services you disagree with?

Not a Government issue. The Government should not force anyone to pay for someone else's personal sexual behavior. Have all the Contraception & Abortions you want, but pay for it yourself. The Government shouldn't be involved with these issues.

 

[Syphon]

These are private personal matters. They are not Government matters. The Government should not be involved with these issues at all. Have all the Contraceptives & Abortions you want, just don't demand fellow Citizens pay for it. Your personal sexual behavior is your business & responsibility. Fellow Citizens/Taxpayers are not responsible for subsidizing your personal sexual behavior. The Government needs to get out of the bedroom once and for all.

read my several posts on how health insurance actually works and realize that you already pay for other peoples services. and you raising issues with your health care provider already? making sure that none of your premiums dollars are going towards services you disagree with?

Not a Government issue. The Government should not force anyone to pay for someone else's personal sexual behavior. Have all the Contraception & Abortions you want, but pay for it yourself. The Government shouldn't be involved with these issues.

since the government is not providing services, your argument is invalid. and im glad to see you skipped over the rest of my argument on how insurance works in general. so i assume you are ok with paying your premiums to your health insurance company knowing that they provide abortions?

 

[paulitician]

read my several posts on how health insurance actually works and realize that you already pay for other peoples services. and you raising issues with your health care provider already? making sure that none of your premiums dollars are going towards services you disagree with?

Not a Government issue. The Government should not force anyone to pay for someone else's personal sexual behavior. Have all the Contraception & Abortions you want, but pay for it yourself. The Government shouldn't be involved with these issues.

since the government is not providing services, your argument is invalid. and im glad to see you skipped over the rest of my argument on how insurance works in general. so i assume you are ok with paying your premiums to your health insurance company knowing that they provide abortions?

Some things i just can't control. I don't like Abortion but if Health Insurance covers it, than so be it. But the Government shouldn't be involved with issues like this. Contraception and Abortion are private personal matters.

 

[Syphon]

Not a Government issue. The Government should not force anyone to pay for someone else's personal sexual behavior. Have all the Contraception & Abortions you want, but pay for it yourself. The Government shouldn't be involved with these issues.

since the government is not providing services, your argument is invalid. and im glad to see you skipped over the rest of my argument on how insurance works in general. so i assume you are ok with paying your premiums to your health insurance company knowing that they provide abortions?

Some things i just can't control. I don't like Abortion but if Health Insurance covers it, than so be it. But the Government shouldn't be involved with issues like this. Contraception and Abortion are private personal matters.

again since they are not providing it, i dont see how it is your concern. would you as upset if they mandated that mammograms be provided at no extra charge? because thats part of the ACA as well.