Consumer Confidence number 2nd lowest ever.

[Toddsterpatriot]

My Friend (in Miami) pays $2800 in rent for a 2 bedroom and 2 bathroom 2nd floor apartment in a average-type of neighborhood (not a rich or poor one). Talk about high prices of houses, the rent prices are also high.

15 million Biden/Harris illegal aliens tend to increase rents.
It's a supply/demand thing.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

15 million Biden/Harris illegal aliens tend to increase rents.
It's a supply/demand thing.

Closer to 11mm but your point is noted.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

The Consumer Confidence number was released today at 10:00am and it was the 2nd lowest EVER. Last month's number was 52.2 and it was expected this month's number was going to be better (expected at 55) but it came in at 50.8.

United States Michigan Consumer Sentiment​

The University of Michigan consumer sentiment for the US dropped sharply to 50.8 in May 2025, down from 52.2 in April and well below market expectations of 53.4, according to preliminary estimates. This marks the fifth consecutive monthly decline, the lowest reading since June 2022, and the second-lowest on record, as mounting inflation expectations and renewed concerns over tariffs continue to weigh on sentiment. Both the current conditions index (57.6 vs 59.8) and expectations gauge (46.5 vs 47.3) worsened. Current assessments of personal finances sank nearly 10% on the basis of weakening incomes. Tariffs were spontaneously mentioned by nearly three-quarters of consumers, up from almost 60% in April; uncertainty over trade policy continues to dominate consumers’ thinking about the economy.​

 

[luiza]

Another shambolic Mucky thread .

Does he ever get anything right?

No .

Just a Troll Bot parrot

 

[sealybobo]

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Think about this. How did Trump have a half decent economy the first half of this year? We all ran out and purchased things before the tariffs kicked in. He scared us into stocking up. What happens when my medicine runs out in a month?

Trump's massive 50% India tariffs kick in​

We get goods like pharmaceuticals, gems and jewelry, textiles, and agricultural products (such as spices, tea, and rice) from India, which is a global leader in their production.

 

[Meister]

Think about this. How did Trump have a half decent economy the first half of this year? We all ran out and purchased things before the tariffs kicked in. He scared us into stocking up. What happens when my medicine runs out in a month?

Trump's massive 50% India tariffs kick in​

We get goods like pharmaceuticals, gems and jewelry, textiles, and agricultural products (such as spices, tea, and rice) from India, which is a global leader in their production.

You and John Edgar Slow Horses be afraid.....be very afraid.

 

[Robert W]

Closer to 11mm but your point is noted.

Do you ever intend to provide evidence?

 

[sealybobo]

You and John Edgar Slow Horses be afraid.....be very afraid.

I'm just as afraid as you were last year when you were concerned for uneducated blue collar workers who couldn't afford the inflation that was occurring. Remember that debate?

You don't seem to be afraid for those people anymore. You don't seem to be afraid of the grocery bill you are seeing. Well just wait. When Trump's tariffs kick in 100% and then he gets the feds to lower interest rates and that causes inflation, will you be afraid then? No? Why not?

Americans are stupid.

 

[Robert W]

Think about this. How did Trump have a half decent economy the first half of this year? We all ran out and purchased things before the tariffs kicked in. He scared us into stocking up. What happens when my medicine runs out in a month?

Trump's massive 50% India tariffs kick in​

We get goods like pharmaceuticals, gems and jewelry, textiles, and agricultural products (such as spices, tea, and rice) from India, which is a global leader in their production.

Tariffs on what?

To learn, read this fact document.

https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R48549/R48549.5.pdf

 

[Meister]

I'm just as afraid as you were last year when you were concerned for uneducated blue collar workers who couldn't afford the inflation that was occurring. Remember that debate?

You don't seem to be afraid for those people anymore. You don't seem to be afraid of the grocery bill you are seeing. Well just wait. When Trump's tariffs kick in 100% and then he gets the feds to lower interest rates and that causes inflation, will you be afraid then? No? Why not?

Americans are stupid.

I argued actual facts, and you argue conjecture.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Do you ever intend to provide evidence?

The same people who said the border was secure have claimed
we have had 12 million illegal aliens living in the US for the last 20 years.

It's amazing, they never leave and their numbers never increase.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Do you ever intend to provide evidence?

I have on this, many times. You rarely do.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The same people who said the border was secure have claimed
we have had 12 million illegal aliens living in the US for the last 20 years.

It's amazing, they never leave and their numbers never increase.

linkie?

 

[Robert W]

I have on this, many times. You rarely do.

We are discussing you not me. Today for example I posted facts about the Tariffs by screenshotting the actual proof.

 

[Robert W]

The same people who said the border was secure have claimed
we have had 12 million illegal aliens living in the US for the last 20 years.

It's amazing, they never leave and their numbers never increase.

He lives by the rule that "IF YOU CAN'T DAZZLE THEM WITH BRILLIANCE, BAFFLE THEM WITH BULLSHIT."

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

SNIP Today for example I posted facts about the Tariffs by screenshotting the actual proof.

You may done this once on occasion. Good on you. Do it more.

 

[sealybobo]

Tariffs on what?

To learn, read this fact document.

https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R48549/R48549.5.pdf

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Great question. Many/most of the things you buy will be tariffed.

Some of the things you buy that are made in America, those companies purchase things from other countries. So the price is going to go up. It won't be called a tariff but your price will go up, dummy.

Estimates from 2022 show a simple average tariff of 5.25%, with over half of all tariff line items being duty-free. However, recent and significant tariff changes by the United States have dramatically altered these figures, especially concerning specific countries.
Before the major U.S. policy changes in 2025, global average tariff rates were much lower, reflecting decades of trade liberalization.

• Duty-free items: The majority of global trade line items, about 55.37% in 2022, were duty-free.
• Average effective tariff rate: As of August 7, 2025, the average effective U.S. tariff rate is estimated at 18.6%, with some experts projecting it could reach 18–20% later in the year. This is the highest average since 1933.
• Covered imports: Based on 2024 values, these new tariffs affect approximately 69% of all U.S. goods imports.
• Blanket tariff: Since April 2025, a baseline tariff of 10% has been applied to nearly all imports, with some sectoral exemptions.
• Country-specific tariffs: Higher rates apply to goods from specific countries, including:
  • China: A baseline rate of 30%, with reports mentioning higher rates.
  • Brazil: 50%
  • Canada: 35%
  • European Union: 15%
  • India: 50%
  • Vietnam: 20%
• Sector-specific tariffs: Some sectors face even higher duties:
  • Steel, aluminum, and copper: 50%
  • Automobiles and parts: 25%

 

[Robert W]

Great question. Many/most of the things you buy will be tariffed.

Some of the things you buy that are made in America, those companies purchase things from other countries. So the price is going to go up. It won't be called a tariff but your price will go up, dummy.

Estimates from 2022 show a simple average tariff of 5.25%, with over half of all tariff line items being duty-free. However, recent and significant tariff changes by the United States have dramatically altered these figures, especially concerning specific countries.
Before the major U.S. policy changes in 2025, global average tariff rates were much lower, reflecting decades of trade liberalization.

• Duty-free items: The majority of global trade line items, about 55.37% in 2022, were duty-free.
• Average effective tariff rate: As of August 7, 2025, the average effective U.S. tariff rate is estimated at 18.6%, with some experts projecting it could reach 18–20% later in the year. This is the highest average since 1933.
• Covered imports: Based on 2024 values, these new tariffs affect approximately 69% of all U.S. goods imports.
• Blanket tariff: Since April 2025, a baseline tariff of 10% has been applied to nearly all imports, with some sectoral exemptions.
• Country-specific tariffs:Higher rates apply to goods from specific countries, including:
  • China: A baseline rate of 30%, with reports mentioning higher rates.
  • Brazil: 50%
  • Canada: 35%
  • European Union: 15%
  • India: 50%
  • Vietnam: 20%
• Sector-specific tariffs:Some sectors face even higher duties:
  • Steel, aluminum, and copper: 50%
  • Automobiles and parts: 25%

What is your opinion about the massive tariffs that Biden hammered China with?

Why did you ignore the screen shot I provided as evidence?

 

[sealybobo]

What is your opinion about the massive tariffs that Biden hammered China with?

Why did you ignore the screen shot I provided as evidence?

China is the one country we/Trump should have taken on. Not the entire world. What Trump did was stupid. But it's going to bring in a lot of money for him to spend on ballrooms or retrofitting that plane he got as a gift. Tariffs will bring in a lot of money for them to spend. Trump had to raise tariffs to make up fo

Tariffs on what?

To learn, read this fact document.

https://www.congress.gov/crs_external_products/R/PDF/R48549/R48549.5.pdf

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Remember Republicans used to be for lower taxes but now they are costing us all more through tariffs. They wanted government to get out of our business but now they are so involved. Remember states rights? Now they are invading states with the military. They used to know Russia was the enemy.

This is what I've been telling people for years. Parties change. This Republican party is nothing like the Republican party who passed Civil Rights, for example.

 

[Robert W]

China is the one country we/Trump should have taken on. Not the entire world. What Trump did was stupid. But it's going to bring in a lot of money for him to spend on ballrooms or retrofitting that plane he got as a gift. Tariffs will bring in a lot of money for them to spend. Trump had to raise tariffs to make up fo

Countries not charging us tariffs were not charged tariffs by Trump. Also, steel and copper were tariffed yet I don't recall citizens on this forum saying they buy steel and copper in large quantities.