Consumer Confidence number 2nd lowest ever.

[Robert W]

So you like the American consumer paying off the debt. OK.

Show how you made that claim?

 

[Robert W]

I can't because they are not. You are wrong.

Your proof is?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Your proof is?

All of your writing on the tariffs. You don't or won't understand what they are and how they work and who they affect. a

 

[80zephyr]

Biden did not use the tariffs as a major hammer to bang up the American consumer, did he?

What difference does it make? The effect is the same.

 

[sealybobo]

Who voted in greater numbers for NAFTA? Dems or Repubs?

Republicans. They all voted for it. When I looked into it, I was surprised so many Democrats signed it. But I'll bet you anything that not one more Democrat signed it than was necessary. That way no one unnecessarily needed to piss off their constituents back home. Reminds me of when McCain saved Obamacare. It's all theater. NAFTA was a done deal. The corporations wanted it. Clinton wasn't going to get shot like Kennedy. Neither was Obama. So they went along. Trump is Lex ******* Luthor. He scares the scary men. Cult of Personality.

 

[SmokeALib]

The Consumer Confidence number was released today at 10:00am and it was the 2nd lowest EVER. Last month's number was 52.2 and it was expected this month's number was going to be better (expected at 55) but it came in at 50.8.

United States Michigan Consumer Sentiment​

The University of Michigan consumer sentiment for the US dropped sharply to 50.8 in May 2025, down from 52.2 in April and well below market expectations of 53.4, according to preliminary estimates. This marks the fifth consecutive monthly decline, the lowest reading since June 2022, and the second-lowest on record, as mounting inflation expectations and renewed concerns over tariffs continue to weigh on sentiment. Both the current conditions index (57.6 vs 59.8) and expectations gauge (46.5 vs 47.3) worsened. Current assessments of personal finances sank nearly 10% on the basis of weakening incomes. Tariffs were spontaneously mentioned by nearly three-quarters of consumers, up from almost 60% in April; uncertainty over trade policy continues to dominate consumers’ thinking about the economy.​

Oh, dear.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

What difference does it make? The effect is the same.

Not if he did not use it as the Orange Dolt does.

 

[Orangecat]

every brain cell in me,

Both of them?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The data show widespread concern with Trump’s tariff policy (bing.com)​

Headline: The Data Show Widespread Concern With Trump’s Tariff Policy Source: Red State Observer and other outlets

Key Takeaways:​

• Economic data and investor surveys reveal growing unease about the long-term impact of Donald Trump’s tariff policies.
• While some short-term gains have been noted—such as narrowed trade deficits—many analysts warn of rising costs for consumers and businesses.
• A recent Federal Reserve meeting showed internal division, with members expressing concern over tariffs contributing to economic slowdown and inflationary pressure.
• Market volatility has increased, and sectors like manufacturing and agriculture are reportedly feeling the squeeze.
• Despite criticism, Trump’s advisers have signaled that the administration intends to hold firm on tariffs, viewing them as essential leverage in trade negotiations.

One of the most troubling signs for congressional Republicans is how small Trump’s base of support is for trade wars.

Pew’s aforementioned mid-August poll found that just 15 percent of Americans strongly approve of the Trump administration’s policy of imposing higher tariffs on goods, while 39 percent strongly disapprove of Trump’s policy. That is also statistically unchanged from mid-April, when Pew found 17 percent of Americans strongly approved of increased tariffs and 43 percent strongly disapproved of them.

This result came about in a largely organic manner, with voters reaching these conclusions on their own, not after some long opposition campaign.

Democrats have not spent much time or money arguing against the tariffs. Instead, the party has lately devoted most of their attention to the GOP’s massive domestic policy bill that delivered tax-cut extensions, dramatically enhanced border security and cut Medicaid funds to states. Democrats spent the late-summer break from Congress running ads about the potential for millions of working-class Americans to lose their health care, while holding events attacking the law across their districts.


In the spring, as Trump’s tariff policy was coming together, Democrats homed in on presidential adviser and billionaire Elon Musk’s effort to slash government agencies as the policy they most opposed; their anti-Musk attacks helped them win a key Wisconsin state Supreme Court race where Musk spent millions. In July, with the Aug. 7 tariff deadline looming, Democrats on Capitol Hill focused on dividing Republicans over releasing all the files related to the late Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted sex offender.

And yet tariff policy seems to have become something voters quickly equated with higher costs, even before Liberation Day. A flash Washington Post poll in early March found only 40 percent of voters supported Trump’s vision for tariffs on Canada, China and Mexico (those three countries were the focus of the president’s tariff policy at the time).


While 60 percent opposed the tariffs, 46 percent said they were “very concerned” about higher prices and 29 percent said they were “somewhat concerned” about costs soaring from the tariffs. Just 7 percent said they were “not at all concerned.”

“I don’t want to pay more for anything,” a 43-year-old woman from Connecticut, who voted for Trump, told The Post in March.

The Winston Group, a research firm that advises Republican leaders, sent a memo to Capitol Hill that could have come with a flashing warning sign on it, declaring that Trump “was elected in large part because of inflation” but he had begun to lose support from critical independent voters over economic concerns.

“At this point, Republicans have faith in the long game strategy, but the rest of the country is not yet convinced,” the firm wrote in mid-April.

A CBS-YouGov poll from that time found that if the question on support for tariffs focused on the eventual broad impact, Trump’s standing was a bit better: 34 percent of voters said that “in the long term/coming years” the U.S. economy would be better because of tariffs, while 42 percent said it would be worse.


That poll found that Republican voters especially believed that the tariffs were merely a negotiating tactic with other nations and would eventually be removed.

The unpopularity of tariffs mirrors the decline in Trump’s handling of the economy.

A Gallup poll released Tuesday found that just 37 percent of voters approve of his handling of the economy, almost identical to Pew’s question on support for tariffs. In his first term, Gallup found Trump averaged 52 percent approval for his stewardship of the economy, a stark reversal.

That same poll found only 29 percent of independents support his handling of the economy.

 

[Luckyone]

View attachment 1155068

You mind it truly in your own fantasy world. You have mentioned this post to me 3 times. but you never mentioned it was on ANOTHER thread!!! How do you think that I (or anyone else) could find it if you did not mention where it was?


Having said that, the first thing that you still need to do is show me the link to this graph so that the information that is with this report can be read.

Having said that, I want you to see your own report but with circles that show how the unemployment rate of the past 3 Republican presidents compare with Biden (and with all the rest of the presidents). Unemployed people were a very high percentage of those presidents, meaning that the rich were the beneficiaries in those years. Otherwise, the differences are not that glaring as to point out anything of great importance. This means that this graph is limited in nature:

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Ronald W is closing in on all fantasy all the time.

 

[Orangecat]

The data show widespread concern with Trump’s tariff policy​

Oh no!!!
Widespread concern??!?!!

 

[SmokeALib]

The data show widespread concern with Trump’s tariff policy (bing.com)​

Headline: The Data Show Widespread Concern With Trump’s Tariff Policy Source: Red State Observer and other outlets

Key Takeaways:​

• Economic data and investor surveys reveal growing unease about the long-term impact of Donald Trump’s tariff policies.
• While some short-term gains have been noted—such as narrowed trade deficits—many analysts warn of rising costs for consumers and businesses.
• A recent Federal Reserve meeting showed internal division, with members expressing concern over tariffs contributing to economic slowdown and inflationary pressure.
• Market volatility has increased, and sectors like manufacturing and agriculture are reportedly feeling the squeeze.
• Despite criticism, Trump’s advisers have signaled that the administration intends to hold firm on tariffs, viewing them as essential leverage in trade negotiations.

One of the most troubling signs for congressional Republicans is how small Trump’s base of support is for trade wars.

Pew’s aforementioned mid-August poll found that just 15 percent of Americans strongly approve of the Trump administration’s policy of imposing higher tariffs on goods, while 39 percent strongly disapprove of Trump’s policy. That is also statistically unchanged from mid-April, when Pew found 17 percent of Americans strongly approved of increased tariffs and 43 percent strongly disapproved of them.

This result came about in a largely organic manner, with voters reaching these conclusions on their own, not after some long opposition campaign.

Democrats have not spent much time or money arguing against the tariffs. Instead, the party has lately devoted most of their attention to the GOP’s massive domestic policy bill that delivered tax-cut extensions, dramatically enhanced border security and cut Medicaid funds to states. Democrats spent the late-summer break from Congress running ads about the potential for millions of working-class Americans to lose their health care, while holding events attacking the law across their districts.


In the spring, as Trump’s tariff policy was coming together, Democrats homed in on presidential adviser and billionaire Elon Musk’s effort to slash government agencies as the policy they most opposed; their anti-Musk attacks helped them win a key Wisconsin state Supreme Court race where Musk spent millions. In July, with the Aug. 7 tariff deadline looming, Democrats on Capitol Hill focused on dividing Republicans over releasing all the files related to the late Jeffrey Epstein, a convicted sex offender.

And yet tariff policy seems to have become something voters quickly equated with higher costs, even before Liberation Day. A flash Washington Post poll in early March found only 40 percent of voters supported Trump’s vision for tariffs on Canada, China and Mexico (those three countries were the focus of the president’s tariff policy at the time).


While 60 percent opposed the tariffs, 46 percent said they were “very concerned” about higher prices and 29 percent said they were “somewhat concerned” about costs soaring from the tariffs. Just 7 percent said they were “not at all concerned.”

“I don’t want to pay more for anything,” a 43-year-old woman from Connecticut, who voted for Trump, told The Post in March.

The Winston Group, a research firm that advises Republican leaders, sent a memo to Capitol Hill that could have come with a flashing warning sign on it, declaring that Trump “was elected in large part because of inflation” but he had begun to lose support from critical independent voters over economic concerns.

“At this point, Republicans have faith in the long game strategy, but the rest of the country is not yet convinced,” the firm wrote in mid-April.

A CBS-YouGov poll from that time found that if the question on support for tariffs focused on the eventual broad impact, Trump’s standing was a bit better: 34 percent of voters said that “in the long term/coming years” the U.S. economy would be better because of tariffs, while 42 percent said it would be worse.


That poll found that Republican voters especially believed that the tariffs were merely a negotiating tactic with other nations and would eventually be removed.

The unpopularity of tariffs mirrors the decline in Trump’s handling of the economy.

A Gallup poll released Tuesday found that just 37 percent of voters approve of his handling of the economy, almost identical to Pew’s question on support for tariffs. In his first term, Gallup found Trump averaged 52 percent approval for his stewardship of the economy, a stark reversal.

That same poll found only 29 percent of independents support his handling of the economy.

"The data" lol!

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

"The data" lol!

"Smokealib" lol

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

"The data" lol!

Yup

GJ Trump

 

[80zephyr]

Not if he did not use it as the Orange Dolt does.

Consumer prices did not go up?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

... because of tariffs, prices go up.