Conservatives are “dying at a significantly higher rate than liberals” due to science mistrust

[Dragonlady]

Not surprising when so many liberal nurses are making public statement about killing Trump supporters

Gee, I haven't seen or heard of a single instance where nurses wished death on conservatives. But every day in this forum, we have conservatives wishing for the death of all leftists.

 

[jknowgood]

EVIDENCE!!!!! Not one shred of evidence, just right wing lies and talking points.

$200 billion a year is now being spent in the USA on mitigating climate change weather catastrophies, and still you deny its existence.

That takes a level of wilful stupidity that is difficult to fathom.

So catastrophies just started 50 years ago? Wow, you do know the entire earth was flooded at one time?

 

[buckeye]

Whining about a once in a century pandemic response vs everyday assaults on freedom is insane. This anti-science isn’t embraced by the masses.

Why are 1 in 12 boys autistic in CA? Why are 1 in 30 kids nationally autistic?

Can you show me the long term comparisons of health outcomes between vaccinated and unvaccinated kids in the US?

The CDC or NIH must have many studies on this. Can you find them for us?

 

[buckeye]

It's preventing a pregnancy from becoming a child.

Leftists think men can be women by wanting to be and babies become humans only after breathing on their own.

I think the science denier is the person in your mirror.

 

[buckeye]

I tend to agree.

I seems evry malady can be treated with a pill. (in the US)
But do people listen, during the commercials that list the side effects from taking that pill?

Allowing Big Pharma access to US was a giant error. Take them off the airways, their influence over the airways and consequently US diminishes.

 

[buckeye]

I didn't say it wasn't alive.
I said life begins, at the first breath of air.

So if its alive why doesn't it have life?

Your view has a lot of similarity to pretzels.

 

[citygator]

Why are 1 in 12 boys autistic in CA? Why are 1 in 30 kids nationally autistic?

Can you show me the long term comparisons of health outcomes between vaccinated and unvaccinated kids in the US?

The CDC or NIH must have many studies on this. Can you find them for us?

The CDC’s latest ADDM report estimated autism prevalence among 8-year-olds at about 1 in 31 nationally, and the California site was 1.6 in 31. The key point is that California’s data came from one San Diego-area surveillance site, not every child in the entire state.

The CDC report itself gives the explanation for why California is higher: better and earlier identification. California had access to health, education, early intervention, and state developmental-disability service records, and CDC specifically notes California has had the highest prevalence since joining the ADDM network, in part because of early-screening initiatives and regional centers that evaluate and coordinate services for developmental disabilities. In other words, California is finding more cases that other places miss or find later.

That matters because autism “prevalence” here means identified autism, not necessarily the true biological rate of autism. If one state screens earlier, uses more data sources, has better service access, and diagnoses more children who would have gone undiagnosed elsewhere, its reported prevalence rises even if vaccines have nothing to do with it.

As for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated comparisons: yes, this has been studied repeatedly. One of the strongest studies followed 657,461 children in Denmark and compared MMR-vaccinated children with unvaccinated children. The adjusted autism hazard ratio was 0.93, with a 95% confidence interval of 0.85 to 1.02, meaning no increased autism risk was found. It also found no increased risk among children with autism risk factors or after vaccination timing windows.

Another large Danish population study of 537,303 children also found strong evidence against MMR vaccination causing autism.

The U.S. Institute of Medicine / National Academies reviewed the evidence on MMR, thimerosal-containing vaccines, and autism and concluded that the epidemiologic evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between MMR vaccine and autism, and also between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism.

A 2014 meta-analysis pooling cohort and case-control data also found no increased autism risk from vaccination, MMR, mercury, or thimerosal exposure.

• CDC — 2025 Autism prevalence report
  https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/ss/ss7402a1.htm
• CDC — Autism data and statistics overview
  https://www.cdc.gov/autism/data-research/index.html
• Annals of Internal Medicine — Large Danish MMR/autism study, 657,461 children
  https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M18-2101
• New England Journal of Medicine — Danish MMR/autism study, 537,303 children
  https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134
• National Academies / Institute of Medicine — Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK25349/
• Vaccine journal meta-analysis — Vaccines are not associated with autism
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24814559/

 

[buckeye]

The CDC’s latest ADDM report estimated autism prevalence among 8-year-olds at about 1 in 31 nationally, and the California site was 1.6 in 31. The key point is that California’s data came from one San Diego-area surveillance site, not every child in the entire state.

The CDC report itself gives the explanation for why California is higher: better and earlier identification. California had access to health, education, early intervention, and state developmental-disability service records, and CDC specifically notes California has had the highest prevalence since joining the ADDM network, in part because of early-screening initiatives and regional centers that evaluate and coordinate services for developmental disabilities. In other words, California is finding more cases that other places miss or find later.

That matters because autism “prevalence” here means identified autism, not necessarily the true biological rate of autism. If one state screens earlier, uses more data sources, has better service access, and diagnoses more children who would have gone undiagnosed elsewhere, its reported prevalence rises even if vaccines have nothing to do with it.

As for vaccinated vs. unvaccinated comparisons: yes, this has been studied repeatedly. One of the strongest studies followed 657,461 children in Denmark and compared MMR-vaccinated children with unvaccinated children. The adjusted autism hazard ratio was 0.93, with a 95% confidence interval of 0.85 to 1.02, meaning no increased autism risk was found. It also found no increased risk among children with autism risk factors or after vaccination timing windows.

Another large Danish population study of 537,303 children also found strong evidence against MMR vaccination causing autism.

The U.S. Institute of Medicine / National Academies reviewed the evidence on MMR, thimerosal-containing vaccines, and autism and concluded that the epidemiologic evidence favors rejection of a causal relationship between MMR vaccine and autism, and also between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism.

A 2014 meta-analysis pooling cohort and case-control data also found no increased autism risk from vaccination, MMR, mercury, or thimerosal exposure.

• CDC — 2025 Autism prevalence report
  https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/74/ss/ss7402a1.htm
• CDC — Autism data and statistics overview
  https://www.cdc.gov/autism/data-research/index.html
• Annals of Internal Medicine — Large Danish MMR/autism study, 657,461 children
  https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M18-2101
• New England Journal of Medicine — Danish MMR/autism study, 537,303 children
  https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa021134
• National Academies / Institute of Medicine — Immunization Safety Review: Vaccines and Autism
  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK25349/
• Vaccine journal meta-analysis — Vaccines are not associated with autism
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24814559/

A child who has ONLY not received the MMR is not an unvaccinated child. You need schooling on this subject. You're dodging the question.

And no where are you discussing the CAUSES of autism, just the stats around it.

Got to run, I'll repost on this later.

 

[HeyNorm]

Conservatives are the ones who are politicizing science, moron.

Climate change has been questioned since day one, and has been proven over and over, but American conservatives reject it because it means they'll have to forego some profits now to create cleaner energy for the future.

Evolution isn't taught in many Christian schools because it conflicts with the creation story in Genesis.

https://www.bennington.edu/doc/24371

Why Creationism Should Not Be Taught As Science | National Center for Science Education

Part 2. The Educational Issues One can ask a number of questions about creationism: Is it a religion? Is it scientific? Is it legal to teach it in the public schools? Would it be practical to include it in the science curriculum?

ncse.ngo

Evolution and Creationism in American Public Schools | Encyclopedia.com

Evolution and Creationism in American Public SchoolsOverviewThe history of the teaching of evolution in America cannot be addressed without analyzing the origins of contemporary creationism. The Scopes Trial of 1925 is often regarded as a landmark in the battle to teach evolution in American...

www.encyclopedia.com

The way covid was "handled" in the USA lead to the deaths of over a million Americans. Tens of thousands of Americans are STILL dying from covid because of conservative lies and bullshit.

Your stupidity and arrogance is predictable.

I guess when your side only has gaslighting to argue points, that’s all you get

 

[EMH]

Vaccines wiped out Small Pox, and has nearly wiped out Polio.

Murderous Fraud Vax is NOT a "vaccine" like that, where you get one shot at a very young age and you are immunized for life.

Not even close.

Murderous Fraud Vax is, at best, a "flu shot" which is hit or miss stopping the current flu.

Those other actual vaccines never needed a "booster shot."

Covid 19 was a fraud. It was cooked up in a lab in China and billed to the US taxpayer, let out, where it really was a complete DUD of a flu, didn't kill any more than normal. Japan, with 1/3rd of our population, records 10k deaths from Covid, all in the Spring of 2020 which was the only time it was loose.

What were Fauxi's "first answers" before going over to CIA at 3am to chat with "Old Rocks'" demographic at CIA??

1. the mask won't stop it
2. like a normal flu, it will be here for one season, that's it

and then those answered changed = TREASON.


And when the subject is ZIONIST FASCIST TREASON AGAINST AMERICA, "Old Rocks" is always 100% for it, usually using MASSIVE FRAUD disguised as "science" to achieve the desire result of

bilking America
wrecking America's economy
offing Americans who notice too much

 

[EMH]

Murderous Fraud Vax was also deliberately loaded with spike protein to cause artery blockage and other terrible side effects


DELIBERATE INTENTIONAL MASS MURDER


with "Dem" Old Rocks and "Republican" Randy Fine cheering it on

 

[HeyNorm]

EVIDENCE!!!!! Not one shred of evidence, just right wing lies and talking points.

$200 billion a year is now being spent in the USA on mitigating climate change weather catastrophies, and still you deny its existence.

That takes a level of wilful stupidity that is difficult to fathom.

And the evidence you have that Riley Gaines is trans?

 

[EMH]

The Covid death total is complete fraud.

Cause of death

Covid .... and motorcycle crash
Covid .... and 12 years post terminal cancer diagnosis
Covid .... and gunshot to head


WHY were they fudging that data for Covid "deaths?"

Why are we out $9 trillion?

How many are dead from Murderous Fraud Vax?

 

[citygator]

Murderous Fraud Vax is NOT a "vaccine" like that, where you get one shot at a very young age and you are immunized for life.

Not even close.

Murderous Fraud Vax is, at best, a "flu shot" which is hit or miss stopping the current flu.

Those other actual vaccines never needed a "booster shot."

Covid 19 was a fraud. It was cooked up in a lab in China and billed to the US taxpayer, let out, where it really was a complete DUD of a flu, didn't kill any more than normal. Japan, with 1/3rd of our population, records 10k deaths from Covid, all in the Spring of 2020 which was the only time it was loose.

What were Fauxi's "first answers" before going over to CIA at 3am to chat with "Old Rocks'" demographic at CIA??

1. the mask won't stop it
2. like a normal flu, it will be here for one season, that's it

and then those answered changed = TREASON.


And when the subject is ZIONIST FASCIST TREASON AGAINST AMERICA, "Old Rocks" is always 100% for it, usually using MASSIVE FRAUD disguised as "science" to achieve the desire result of

bilking America
wrecking America's economy
offing Americans who notice too much

Where is your MD from?

 

[EMH]

Where is your MD from?

From the entire summation of medical knowledge known to Star Fleet Command

 

[Andylusion]

I pointed out your hypocrisy supporting someone doing exactly what you claimed to condemn. Hypocrisy is something Jesus preached about ad nauseum. You didnt condemn Trump's comments and you support his rhetoric of violence but my throw away comment you protest? Hypocrisy.

I will be standing at the pearl gates accusing every one of you faux Christians of hypocrisy.. and if you are a conservative you'll be there soon due to your looney beliefs that science isnt real.

The difference is, it's not hypocrisy.

What is hypocrisy?
"Hypocrisy is the act of professing beliefs, virtues, or moral standards that you do not actually follow or possess."

Name one professing beliefs or virtues or moral standards that I say I believe in, that I do not practice.

You claim to be better than Trump, but then YOU not me.... cited Trump as a justification for your evil actions.
I didn't do that.

Name one time I supported something evil, and used Trump as a justification?

Of course I'm not the one saying Trump is bad, but then doing exactly what he does, and using him as an excuse.

So I've provided my evidence. Go ahead and provide yours.

 

[Andylusion]

I hate everyone who robs cancer charities and buys whores when their wife is pregnant. That`s one hell of a role model you chose.

I find that even more interesting.

So... what just told me is that you are no better of a person at all.... than Donald Trump.

That is what you just said. You celebrate the death of other people, because Trump does.

So you are no better morally than Trump.

See, here's the difference. I don't do that, because I don't care what Trump does. I support Trump when he does good, and call him out when he does bad.

But my morals come from Jesus Christ the Lord, not from some flawed man.

But the hypocrisy that you just showed, is amazing. You tell me that you hate Trump..... and then justify your evil by saying Trump did it.... which means you are no better in any way than Trump.

What part of this am I getting wrong?

"But my morals come from Jesus Christ the Lord, not from some flawed man."

Can you read that?

 

[HeyNorm]

Where is your MD from?

Where is yours?

 

[midcan5]

There are also religious groups who are anti - healthcare. Amish, for instance, but their lifestyle actually helps them live longer and healthier. Lots of factors make the topic complex.

PS as a liberal we do all the healthy things, thus this old man could outwork most of you. lol

 

[citygator]

The difference is, it's not hypocrisy.

What is hypocrisy?
"Hypocrisy is the act of professing beliefs, virtues, or moral standards that you do not actually follow or possess."

Name one professing beliefs or virtues or moral standards that I say I believe in, that I do not practice.

You criticize my post while being silent about your orange god's post.

You claim to be better than Trump,

Please cite this claim. In our exchange I never claimed moral superiority to anyone. This is a blatant lie or pure utter laziness. Which one?

but then YOU not me.... cited Trump as a justification for your evil actions.
I didn't do that.

Ever since he posted it, I use the comment regularly. Almost no one at all on here called him out for it and its documented that you didnt.. hypocrisy stands tall here for you.

Name one time I supported something evil, and used Trump as a justification?

I'll see you at the gates. I will be one of your accusers. I know you carried Trump's water on here because you feel it furthers your preferred agenda. That is a cheap cost for your soul. Jesus cant help you because you didnt love him. If you did you would act differently.

Of course I'm not the one saying Trump is bad, but then doing exactly what he does, and using him as an excuse.

So I've provided my evidence. Go ahead and provide yours.

Trump is bad. Conservatives are loons who have denied science and are dying because of it. Proof is in the OP.