Conservative Bible

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You mean like it is ethical to end a human life in the womb?

Ah, here we are finally. If you really want to argue this topic I will oblige for a couple of posts but only if you are prepared to answer some questions about the aftermath if the evangelicals get the only thing they seem to care about.

No. I am just pointing out that anything can be twisted. Moral relativism or ethical relativism are one in the same.

Ethics means all effects are weighed and the path of least harm is taken. Abortion was made legal because the alternative was considered more harmful to society. The moral argument does not give a damn about society or the greater good. It is the central problem with letting religious types decide secular issues.

You can call it what you want. It is still relativism if you rationalize it is noble and just to end a human life.

Noble and just? Abortion is by no means the preferable choice in birth control but the choice must be there.

Are you saying that abortion is morally wrong then?

 

[sealybobo]

Pop quiz!

What was the way 'Followers of the Way' followed??

What does 'the way' refer to? How does one follow it?

I am "the way" the truth and the life. No man cometh to tbe father except through me or something like that.

They were followers of Christ. They were communist that forsook all their material posessions for the cause of Christ. It was a more intense form of Christianity. The term "Christian" was an insult that followers of the way proudly adopted. To answer SweetSue92's question, haters are the ones who defined the word Christian.

And followers of Christ from the very beginning believed that the end of days were near. But when you are brainwashed as a child by your grandmothers grandmothers traditions, and they were saying that back then, but nothing happened, eventually they stopped believing the end days were upon us. There are still Christians thousands of years later still claiming the end days are upon us.

I am looking forward to reading the Bible again. I just need to motivate myself to get started. On January 1 I read Genesis 1-9 and fell off the wagon on the second day. I am completely objective and able to see it for what it is rather than what I want it to be. I have mentioned in other discussions that everybody should read the Bible except for Christians. I still believe that. Keep your faith. Never do anything to jeopardize your faith which includes reading the Bible. A firm belief in mainstream religions is a treasure. Guard it. I wish I could believe it again. The Bible is amazing. The character of Christ is amazing. According to many posters I got a lot of the Bible wrong. Another round of reading I may become closer to right.

I was bored to tears but made it through. I don’t get it.

You didn't see any of the hilarious stuff? The one sided rivalry of King Saul and David is epic. Jeremiah was one dramatic hubba bubba. The book of Matthew promotes a very intriguing ethical system. The confidence of Paul's writings is a delight and invokes a power trip within me that requires no effort to engage in real life inter relationship battles. My favorite book is Leviticus. The image of purity and discipline promoted by the book of Leviticus can be quite the motivator for someone who wants to get on the right track.

It isn't like there is anything to "get". It is just an entertaining read. Yes. The bulk of it is painfully slow and boring. I guess I persevere through it because I am rewarded with bragging rights. Reading through the entire Bible is challenging. Not too many people have done it. This will be my fourth time. I look forward to bragging about it and catching the stories I missed the first 3 times.

I most enjoy listening to fiery baptist ministers who preach about sin and they go on and on so long and they say so many things about so many different things that I find myself curious how it’s going to end.

Then I’m amazed people take the guy seriously.

 

[presonorek]

I am "the way" the truth and the life. No man cometh to tbe father except through me or something like that.

They were followers of Christ. They were communist that forsook all their material posessions for the cause of Christ. It was a more intense form of Christianity. The term "Christian" was an insult that followers of the way proudly adopted. To answer SweetSue92's question, haters are the ones who defined the word Christian.

And followers of Christ from the very beginning believed that the end of days were near. But when you are brainwashed as a child by your grandmothers grandmothers traditions, and they were saying that back then, but nothing happened, eventually they stopped believing the end days were upon us. There are still Christians thousands of years later still claiming the end days are upon us.

I am looking forward to reading the Bible again. I just need to motivate myself to get started. On January 1 I read Genesis 1-9 and fell off the wagon on the second day. I am completely objective and able to see it for what it is rather than what I want it to be. I have mentioned in other discussions that everybody should read the Bible except for Christians. I still believe that. Keep your faith. Never do anything to jeopardize your faith which includes reading the Bible. A firm belief in mainstream religions is a treasure. Guard it. I wish I could believe it again. The Bible is amazing. The character of Christ is amazing. According to many posters I got a lot of the Bible wrong. Another round of reading I may become closer to right.

I was bored to tears but made it through. I don’t get it.

You didn't see any of the hilarious stuff? The one sided rivalry of King Saul and David is epic. Jeremiah was one dramatic hubba bubba. The book of Matthew promotes a very intriguing ethical system. The confidence of Paul's writings is a delight and invokes a power trip within me that requires no effort to engage in real life inter relationship battles. My favorite book is Leviticus. The image of purity and discipline promoted by the book of Leviticus can be quite the motivator for someone who wants to get on the right track.

It isn't like there is anything to "get". It is just an entertaining read. Yes. The bulk of it is painfully slow and boring. I guess I persevere through it because I am rewarded with bragging rights. Reading through the entire Bible is challenging. Not too many people have done it. This will be my fourth time. I look forward to bragging about it and catching the stories I missed the first 3 times.

I most enjoy listening to fiery baptist ministers who preach about sin and they go on and on so long and they say so many things about so many different things that I find myself curious how it’s going to end.

Then I’m amazed people take the guy seriously.

Do you know about Steven Anderson? He is fantastic.

 

[sealybobo]

And followers of Christ from the very beginning believed that the end of days were near. But when you are brainwashed as a child by your grandmothers grandmothers traditions, and they were saying that back then, but nothing happened, eventually they stopped believing the end days were upon us. There are still Christians thousands of years later still claiming the end days are upon us.

I am looking forward to reading the Bible again. I just need to motivate myself to get started. On January 1 I read Genesis 1-9 and fell off the wagon on the second day. I am completely objective and able to see it for what it is rather than what I want it to be. I have mentioned in other discussions that everybody should read the Bible except for Christians. I still believe that. Keep your faith. Never do anything to jeopardize your faith which includes reading the Bible. A firm belief in mainstream religions is a treasure. Guard it. I wish I could believe it again. The Bible is amazing. The character of Christ is amazing. According to many posters I got a lot of the Bible wrong. Another round of reading I may become closer to right.

I was bored to tears but made it through. I don’t get it.

You didn't see any of the hilarious stuff? The one sided rivalry of King Saul and David is epic. Jeremiah was one dramatic hubba bubba. The book of Matthew promotes a very intriguing ethical system. The confidence of Paul's writings is a delight and invokes a power trip within me that requires no effort to engage in real life inter relationship battles. My favorite book is Leviticus. The image of purity and discipline promoted by the book of Leviticus can be quite the motivator for someone who wants to get on the right track.

It isn't like there is anything to "get". It is just an entertaining read. Yes. The bulk of it is painfully slow and boring. I guess I persevere through it because I am rewarded with bragging rights. Reading through the entire Bible is challenging. Not too many people have done it. This will be my fourth time. I look forward to bragging about it and catching the stories I missed the first 3 times.

I most enjoy listening to fiery baptist ministers who preach about sin and they go on and on so long and they say so many things about so many different things that I find myself curious how it’s going to end.

Then I’m amazed people take the guy seriously.

Do you know about Steven Anderson? He is fantastic.

No but I’m sure he’s wonderful Ly awful

 

[SweetSue92]

I am looking forward to reading the Bible again. I just need to motivate myself to get started. On January 1 I read Genesis 1-9 and fell off the wagon on the second day. I am completely objective and able to see it for what it is rather than what I want it to be. I have mentioned in other discussions that everybody should read the Bible except for Christians. I still believe that. Keep your faith. Never do anything to jeopardize your faith which includes reading the Bible. A firm belief in mainstream religions is a treasure. Guard it. I wish I could believe it again. The Bible is amazing. The character of Christ is amazing. According to many posters I got a lot of the Bible wrong. Another round of reading I may become closer to right.

I was bored to tears but made it through. I don’t get it.

You didn't see any of the hilarious stuff? The one sided rivalry of King Saul and David is epic. Jeremiah was one dramatic hubba bubba. The book of Matthew promotes a very intriguing ethical system. The confidence of Paul's writings is a delight and invokes a power trip within me that requires no effort to engage in real life inter relationship battles. My favorite book is Leviticus. The image of purity and discipline promoted by the book of Leviticus can be quite the motivator for someone who wants to get on the right track.

It isn't like there is anything to "get". It is just an entertaining read. Yes. The bulk of it is painfully slow and boring. I guess I persevere through it because I am rewarded with bragging rights. Reading through the entire Bible is challenging. Not too many people have done it. This will be my fourth time. I look forward to bragging about it and catching the stories I missed the first 3 times.

I most enjoy listening to fiery baptist ministers who preach about sin and they go on and on so long and they say so many things about so many different things that I find myself curious how it’s going to end.

Then I’m amazed people take the guy seriously.

Do you know about Steven Anderson? He is fantastic.

No but I’m sure he’s wonderful Ly awful

Steven Anderson is beloved by anti-Christians, atheists and God-haters. His church is tiny, he is an "independent" church and I doubt he is even ordained. But if you ask these anti-Christians, atheists and God-haters, he is absolutely the mouthpiece of all Christians everywhere. It is his claim to fame, and that's what he, I'm convinced, wants to continue to do--gain continued notoriety by saying the most inflammatory things. Like the God Hates Gays church that protests military people's funerals--Westboro.

 

[sealybobo]

I was bored to tears but made it through. I don’t get it.

You didn't see any of the hilarious stuff? The one sided rivalry of King Saul and David is epic. Jeremiah was one dramatic hubba bubba. The book of Matthew promotes a very intriguing ethical system. The confidence of Paul's writings is a delight and invokes a power trip within me that requires no effort to engage in real life inter relationship battles. My favorite book is Leviticus. The image of purity and discipline promoted by the book of Leviticus can be quite the motivator for someone who wants to get on the right track.

It isn't like there is anything to "get". It is just an entertaining read. Yes. The bulk of it is painfully slow and boring. I guess I persevere through it because I am rewarded with bragging rights. Reading through the entire Bible is challenging. Not too many people have done it. This will be my fourth time. I look forward to bragging about it and catching the stories I missed the first 3 times.

I most enjoy listening to fiery baptist ministers who preach about sin and they go on and on so long and they say so many things about so many different things that I find myself curious how it’s going to end.

Then I’m amazed people take the guy seriously.

Do you know about Steven Anderson? He is fantastic.

No but I’m sure he’s wonderful Ly awful

Steven Anderson is beloved by anti-Christians, atheists and God-haters. His church is tiny, he is an "independent" church and I doubt he is even ordained. But if you ask these anti-Christians, atheists and God-haters, he is absolutely the mouthpiece of all Christians everywhere. It is his claim to fame, and that's what he, I'm convinced, wants to continue to do--gain continued notoriety by saying the most inflammatory things. Like the God Hates Gays church that protests military people's funerals--Westboro.

They say they are real Christians. Catholics here say they are. And many here say Catholics are not. Then you have jehovas and Mormons.

Tell me sweet sue who are the real Christians?

 

[hobelim]

You didn't see any of the hilarious stuff? The one sided rivalry of King Saul and David is epic. Jeremiah was one dramatic hubba bubba. The book of Matthew promotes a very intriguing ethical system. The confidence of Paul's writings is a delight and invokes a power trip within me that requires no effort to engage in real life inter relationship battles. My favorite book is Leviticus. The image of purity and discipline promoted by the book of Leviticus can be quite the motivator for someone who wants to get on the right track.

It isn't like there is anything to "get". It is just an entertaining read. Yes. The bulk of it is painfully slow and boring. I guess I persevere through it because I am rewarded with bragging rights. Reading through the entire Bible is challenging. Not too many people have done it. This will be my fourth time. I look forward to bragging about it and catching the stories I missed the first 3 times.

I most enjoy listening to fiery baptist ministers who preach about sin and they go on and on so long and they say so many things about so many different things that I find myself curious how it’s going to end.

Then I’m amazed people take the guy seriously.

Do you know about Steven Anderson? He is fantastic.

No but I’m sure he’s wonderful Ly awful

Steven Anderson is beloved by anti-Christians, atheists and God-haters. His church is tiny, he is an "independent" church and I doubt he is even ordained. But if you ask these anti-Christians, atheists and God-haters, he is absolutely the mouthpiece of all Christians everywhere. It is his claim to fame, and that's what he, I'm convinced, wants to continue to do--gain continued notoriety by saying the most inflammatory things. Like the God Hates Gays church that protests military people's funerals--Westboro.

They say they are real Christians. Catholics here say they are. And many here say Catholics are not. Then you have jehovas and Mormons.

Tell me sweet sue who are the real Christians?

According to Jesus they are the people who hear the will of God and do it.

That leaves out every single branch of Christianity that worships Jesus, desecrates his teaching, perjures themselves in the name of God and sets aside the divine commands as if they were irrelevant rules for ancient Jews that no longer apply because Jesus was crucified, yay!

 

[presonorek]

You didn't see any of the hilarious stuff? The one sided rivalry of King Saul and David is epic. Jeremiah was one dramatic hubba bubba. The book of Matthew promotes a very intriguing ethical system. The confidence of Paul's writings is a delight and invokes a power trip within me that requires no effort to engage in real life inter relationship battles. My favorite book is Leviticus. The image of purity and discipline promoted by the book of Leviticus can be quite the motivator for someone who wants to get on the right track.

It isn't like there is anything to "get". It is just an entertaining read. Yes. The bulk of it is painfully slow and boring. I guess I persevere through it because I am rewarded with bragging rights. Reading through the entire Bible is challenging. Not too many people have done it. This will be my fourth time. I look forward to bragging about it and catching the stories I missed the first 3 times.

I most enjoy listening to fiery baptist ministers who preach about sin and they go on and on so long and they say so many things about so many different things that I find myself curious how it’s going to end.

Then I’m amazed people take the guy seriously.

Do you know about Steven Anderson? He is fantastic.

No but I’m sure he’s wonderful Ly awful

Steven Anderson is beloved by anti-Christians, atheists and God-haters. His church is tiny, he is an "independent" church and I doubt he is even ordained. But if you ask these anti-Christians, atheists and God-haters, he is absolutely the mouthpiece of all Christians everywhere. It is his claim to fame, and that's what he, I'm convinced, wants to continue to do--gain continued notoriety by saying the most inflammatory things. Like the God Hates Gays church that protests military people's funerals--Westboro.

They say they are real Christians. Catholics here say they are. And many here say Catholics are not. Then you have jehovas and Mormons.

Tell me sweet sue who are the real Christians?

You have to audit them. The Bible says you shall know them by their fruits. What are the fruits?

Love
joy
peace
patience
kindness
goodness
faithfulness
gentleness
self-control

If an organization produces at lot of these things then they are a Christian organization. If they produce some of them then they can still be a Christian organization but maybe lacking in productivity. If they produce none of these then is probably a country club not a Christian organization.

 

[Toro]

Jesus said a rich man can’t get into heaven.

That part is conveniently ignored by American conservatives.

 

[ding]

Jesus said a rich man can’t get into heaven.

That part is conveniently ignored by American conservatives.

Is that what was really said?

 

[hobelim]

Jesus said a rich man can’t get into heaven.

That part is conveniently ignored by American conservatives.

He didn't say that.

The guy was bragging to Jesus about keeping the law since he was a little boy. That was his wealth, his security, his many possessions, were a reference to his many followers. The guy was probably a well respected rabbi of a large congregation.

When Jesus told him to sell everything he had, follow him, and give to the poor he wasn't telling the guy to become destitute.

He was telling the guy to sell off all of the garbage that he had invested in, accept the teaching of Jesus that the law was figurative, the subjects hidden and then set his followers, his many possessions, free.

That would be like telling the pope or any religious charlatan to find another job and stop robbing the dead like a ghoul even though the possessed, their followers, made them wealthy.

Could you picture any rabid TV preacher selling miracle cloth or holy water going on air and telling people, his many possessions, not to listen to him anymore because he is a liar and a fraud?

It would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. Right?

 

[Toro]

Jesus said a rich man can’t get into heaven.

That part is conveniently ignored by American conservatives.

Is that what was really said?

^^^^^^^^^
Or American conservatives rationalize or deny what Jesus said.

 

[ding]

Jesus said a rich man can’t get into heaven.

That part is conveniently ignored by American conservatives.

Is that what was really said?

^^^^^^^^^
Or American conservatives rationalize or deny what Jesus said.

How so?

Seems like a broad brush stroke to me.

 

[Toro]

Jesus said a rich man can’t get into heaven.

That part is conveniently ignored by American conservatives.

He didn't say that.

The guy was bragging to Jesus about keeping the law since he was a little boy. That was his wealth, his security, his many possessions, were a reference to his many followers. The guy was probably a well respected rabbi of a large congregation.

When Jesus told him to sell everything he had, follow him, and give to the poor he wasn't telling the guy to become destitute.

He was telling the guy to sell off all of the garbage that he had invested in, accept the teaching of Jesus that the law was figurative, the subjects hidden and then set his followers, his many possessions, free.

That would be like telling the pope or any religious charlatan to find another job and stop robbing the dead like a ghoul even though the possessed made them wealthy.

Could you picture any rabid TV preacher selling miracle cloth or holy water going on air and telling people not to listen to him anymore because he is a liar and a fraud.

It would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. Right?

He said that a rich man has as much chance getting into heaven than a camel has passing through the eye of a needle. He didn’t say you had to starve to get into heaven.

But American conservatives who venerate the rich conveniently ignore or twist what Jesus said.

 

[Toro]

Jesus said a rich man can’t get into heaven.

That part is conveniently ignored by American conservatives.

Is that what was really said?

^^^^^^^^^
Or American conservatives rationalize or deny what Jesus said.

How so?

Seems like a broad brush stroke to me.

Yeah what Jesus really meant was billionaire globalists from Hungary.

Isn’t confirmation bias a great thing?

It allows you to justify your behavior, lifestyle, ideology, etc.

 

[ding]

Jesus said a rich man can’t get into heaven.

That part is conveniently ignored by American conservatives.

He didn't say that.

The guy was bragging to Jesus about keeping the law since he was a little boy. That was his wealth, his security, his many possessions, were a reference to his many followers. The guy was probably a well respected rabbi of a large congregation.

When Jesus told him to sell everything he had, follow him, and give to the poor he wasn't telling the guy to become destitute.

He was telling the guy to sell off all of the garbage that he had invested in, accept the teaching of Jesus that the law was figurative, the subjects hidden and then set his followers, his many possessions, free.

That would be like telling the pope or any religious charlatan to find another job and stop robbing the dead like a ghoul even though the possessed made them wealthy.

Could you picture any rabid TV preacher selling miracle cloth or holy water going on air and telling people not to listen to him anymore because he is a liar and a fraud.

It would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. Right?

He said that a rich man has as much chance getting into heaven than a camel has passing through the eye of a needle. He didn’t say you had to starve to get into heaven.

But American conservatives who venerate the rich conveniently ignore or twist what Jesus said.

I’m not sure exactly how you are making that leap in logic. Are you certain that you aren’t confusing lack of empathy for disagreement on the solution of the problem. I don’t dispute a problem exists. I dispute the solution to the problem.

 

[ding]

Evrerone cares. They just don’t agree on the solutions. Subsidiarity is the only effective solution.

 

[hobelim]

Jesus said a rich man can’t get into heaven.

That part is conveniently ignored by American conservatives.

He didn't say that.

The guy was bragging to Jesus about keeping the law since he was a little boy. That was his wealth, his security, his many possessions, were a reference to his many followers. The guy was probably a well respected rabbi of a large congregation.

When Jesus told him to sell everything he had, follow him, and give to the poor he wasn't telling the guy to become destitute.

He was telling the guy to sell off all of the garbage that he had invested in, accept the teaching of Jesus that the law was figurative, the subjects hidden and then set his followers, his many possessions, free.

That would be like telling the pope or any religious charlatan to find another job and stop robbing the dead like a ghoul even though the possessed made them wealthy.


Could you picture any rabid TV preacher selling miracle cloth or holy water going on air and telling people not to listen to him anymore because he is a liar and a fraud.

It would be easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle. Right?

He said that a rich man has as much chance getting into heaven than a camel has passing through the eye of a needle. He didn’t say you had to starve to get into heaven.

But American conservatives who venerate the rich conveniently ignore or twist what Jesus said.

There are many rich people who do not brag about being righteous based on their professed adherence to biblical principles and do not deceive, possess other people, and gain their wealth through sorcery, what the ancients called mind control, - fleecing gullible and deliberately confused people in the name of the Lord.

Oh, Wait a minute! Many wealthy American right wing religious conservatives do just that.. Never mind.

 

[ding]

We are supposed to use our talents, we are supposed to work hard and enjoy creating, we are not supposed to love money to the point that we ignore our fellow man and we are supposed to be stewards. And when we help people it should be a personal experience that addresses social and economic problems at the closest community or authority level that can handle those problems. It starts with family, friends, churches, community and then local government at the county level. That way we ennoble them rather than destroy their spirit.

 

[hobelim]

We are supposed to use our talents, we are supposed to work hard and enjoy creating, we are not supposed to love money to the point that we ignore our fellow man and we are supposed to be stewards. And when we help people it should be a personal experience that addresses social and economic problems at the closest community or authority level that can handle those problems. It starts with family, friends, churches, community and then local government at the county level. That way we ennoble them rather than destroy their spirit.

Destroy their spirit? What spirit? A spirit of deception? Lying in the name of the Lord ?

You know, I once heard that admitting that you have a problem is the first step to recovery.