Ken Mac
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But just not as wrong as every other economic system.Conservatism has always been wrong for everybody – including conservatives.
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But just not as wrong as every other economic system.Conservatism has always been wrong for everybody – including conservatives.
Democrats has been the worst thing for blacks, you put them on welfare. Destroyed their family unit and took education away from them. A black person is stupid to vote for that. Which brings us back to the education part.Wrong. There was none of this democrat and republican city shit until trump started making excuses for his failure. Conservatism has always been wrong for blacks and this is why:Yet it's commiecrat cities where blacks are warehoused and aren't educated. Go figure.
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"Why the South Must Prevail"
The link is to an editorial by the founder of the conservative movement from the August 24, 1957 issue of National Review,
American conservatism has a fraught relationship with equality, racial or otherwise. But there is a deep legacy in conservative thought of viewing freedom and equality as incompatible—not just in philosophical treatises, but in the day-to-day ideological framing that forms the bread and butter of conservative commentary, from magazines and Fox News to talk radio. In the mid-1960s Harry Jaffa and Frank Meyer engaged in a series of dueling essays in National Review on this question. Meyer, a notorious racist who opposed desegregation, wrote in one of his essays that Jaffa incorrectly “chooses to base his critique of American slavery on the proposition that the American polity is in its essence dedicated to equality.” But “freedom and equality are opposites,” Meyer baldly replied, with a formula that still resonates. “The freer men are the freer they are to demonstrate their inequality.” This is the same basic principle that guided William F. Buckley’s infamous 1957 editorial “Why the South Must Prevail,” in which he argued that, the question “of the rights of American citizens, born Equal” aside, the “White community in the South is entitled to take . . . measures as are necessary to prevail, politically and culturally, in areas in which it does not predominate numerically.” In his 1619 contribution, Jamelle Bouie refers to this very argument of Buckley’s: “It is a strikingly blunt defense of Jim Crow and affirmation of white supremacy from the father of the conservative movement.”
Newt Gingrich, represented a largely white suburban Atlanta district. Gingrich holds a PhD in history from Tulane University; his 1971 dissertation was a full-throated defense of the infamously brutal Belgian colonial record in Congo. On its second page, the future congressman stresses the need for “awareness of the good as well as the bad aspects of colonialism,” suggesting that “the colonial powers performed a painful but positive function in disrupting traditional society” of “the natives.”
The Fragile Patriotism of the American Conservative
Here we see a debate with James Baldwin vs. William Buckley on the issue of race. Buckley was soundly defeated. Buckley's message is still the basic philosophy of conservatism.
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
I've shown it. Multiple times. I don't think that a person/people who have run off at the mouth claiming that we blame whites for racism to have an excuse for failing with no proof ever are in a position to make demands.First off, my work ethic shall not be called into question by a member of the race that has been given everything they have by the government. Second it has been shown that white supremacists have been the main ones doing the burning and destroying. So just go on back in your trailer and have a bowl of corn flakes.Nazi's destroyed anything or anyone who disagrees with them..........Hand salute..type shit...now brain dead left doing the FIST THING..........If I was a nazi, I'd be you. Now go on back into your trailer and make that tuna fish sandwich.Being a paid protester doesn't count........Shad up you Racists.........Now RAISE THE FIST like a good little Nazi.I worked for 43 years. Shut the fuck up.LOL
The OP hates working soooo much that he goes full NAZI to avoid working.........thinks people owe him a living......that others should give up their private possessions to him.........Nothing but a Communist Prick pretending to be righteous............
BLM............BURN LOOT MURDER.
You are the Nazi...........own it.
You keep perpetuating the myth and the lie that the majority of the burning, looting, murdering, and violence in our cities is being done by white supremacists. Show the empirical data to back it up. You have a sense of entitlement to present what lies between your ears as fact.
I don‘t know what Obama has to with the debate between Baldwin and Buckley so Is I’ll ignore that idiocy.
I will try to redirect this discussion to the debate itself.
Perhaps IM2 can correct me if I am wrong. What I saw crystallized in the debate were two different perceptions of the race debate. You often don’t see it so clearly, but here it was. Baldwin saw denial of the American Dream, or conversely that the American Dream has been achieved at the expense of blacks, as result of 400 years of racial oppression and the use of their cheap labor to build the foundations of this nation. Baldwin said this fact was beyond debate. Apparently it was as Buckley ignored Baldwin’s argument and seemed to blame Blacks themselves for not achieving success.
As you correctly pointed out these arguments have not changed in the past half century.
Baldwin won the debate and rightfully so. Buckley’s argument that there are “35“ black millionaires or blaming blacks themselves for their predicament was absurd considering that at the time of the debate blacks were being denied the right to vote in southern states and the civil rights act was still being debated to guarantee them the voting franchise. Buckley was rightly ridiculed for his fatuous argument.
What was revealing is the the conservative student speaker initially arguing Buckley’s cause seemed to indicate there was no argument against passage of the civil rights act. I am not sure Buckley would have agreed.
As I said a fascinating debate.
Here we see a debate with James Baldwin vs. William Buckley on the issue of race. Buckley was soundly defeated. Buckley's message is still the basic philosophy of conservatism.
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
Defending their criminals and lowlifes has always been wrong for blacks.
Conservatism is not an economic system. If it was, it should be soundly rejected.But just not as wrong as every other economic system.Conservatism has always been wrong for everybody – including conservatives.
Here we see a debate with James Baldwin vs. William Buckley on the issue of race. Buckley was soundly defeated. Buckley's message is still the basic philosophy of conservatism.
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
Defending their criminals and lowlifes has always been wrong for blacks.
Whites elect their criminals and lowlifes for president.
I've shown it. Multiple times. I don't think that a person/people who have run off at the mouth claiming that we blame whites for racism to have an excuse for failing with no proof ever are in a position to make demands.First off, my work ethic shall not be called into question by a member of the race that has been given everything they have by the government. Second it has been shown that white supremacists have been the main ones doing the burning and destroying. So just go on back in your trailer and have a bowl of corn flakes.Nazi's destroyed anything or anyone who disagrees with them..........Hand salute..type shit...now brain dead left doing the FIST THING..........If I was a nazi, I'd be you. Now go on back into your trailer and make that tuna fish sandwich.Being a paid protester doesn't count........Shad up you Racists.........Now RAISE THE FIST like a good little Nazi.I worked for 43 years. Shut the fuck up.LOL
The OP hates working soooo much that he goes full NAZI to avoid working.........thinks people owe him a living......that others should give up their private possessions to him.........Nothing but a Communist Prick pretending to be righteous............
BLM............BURN LOOT MURDER.
You are the Nazi...........own it.
You keep perpetuating the myth and the lie that the majority of the burning, looting, murdering, and violence in our cities is being done by white supremacists. Show the empirical data to back it up. You have a sense of entitlement to present what lies between your ears as fact.
Here we see a debate with James Baldwin vs. William Buckley on the issue of race. Buckley was soundly defeated. Buckley's message is still the basic philosophy of conservatism.
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
Here we see a debate with James Baldwin vs. William Buckley on the issue of race. Buckley was soundly defeated. Buckley's message is still the basic philosophy of conservatism.
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
I've shown it. Multiple times. I don't think that a person/people who have run off at the mouth claiming that we blame whites for racism to have an excuse for failing with no proof ever are in a position to make demands.First off, my work ethic shall not be called into question by a member of the race that has been given everything they have by the government. Second it has been shown that white supremacists have been the main ones doing the burning and destroying. So just go on back in your trailer and have a bowl of corn flakes.Nazi's destroyed anything or anyone who disagrees with them..........Hand salute..type shit...now brain dead left doing the FIST THING..........If I was a nazi, I'd be you. Now go on back into your trailer and make that tuna fish sandwich.Being a paid protester doesn't count........Shad up you Racists.........Now RAISE THE FIST like a good little Nazi.I worked for 43 years. Shut the fuck up.LOL
The OP hates working soooo much that he goes full NAZI to avoid working.........thinks people owe him a living......that others should give up their private possessions to him.........Nothing but a Communist Prick pretending to be righteous............
BLM............BURN LOOT MURDER.
You are the Nazi...........own it.
You keep perpetuating the myth and the lie that the majority of the burning, looting, murdering, and violence in our cities is being done by white supremacists. Show the empirical data to back it up. You have a sense of entitlement to present what lies between your ears as fact.
You haven’t shown anything but shit. Specious at best.
Here we see a debate with James Baldwin vs. William Buckley on the issue of race. Buckley was soundly defeated. Buckley's message is still the basic philosophy of conservatism.
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
The Real thing that is wrong for Black Americans would be RACIST like yourself who do not want to see these Americans freed from the chains of the Democrat Party.
Here we see a debate with James Baldwin vs. William Buckley on the issue of race. Buckley was soundly defeated. Buckley's message is still the basic philosophy of conservatism.
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
You are a RACIST and your Hatred and Intolerance is EVERYTHING that is Wrong for Black Americans!!!!It is not racist to oppose whites that practice racism. Blacks were republican for 100 years. We got nothing but jim crow and broken promises. You don't get to tell us we can't get repaarations because you didn't own slaves then talk like a retard about how we should join the republican party because republicans freed the slaves.
Conservatism Has Always Been Wrong for Blacks.
Here we see a debate with James Baldwin vs. William Buckley on the issue of race. Buckley was soundly defeated. Buckley's message is still the basic philosophy of conservatism.
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
How is this a debate about conservatism working or not for blacks? Many of the arguments put forth in this debate were nonsensical, such as Baldwin complaining about how American society is geared towards whites, and yet doesn’t explain why white colonists should had built a nation for Africans as opposed to building one for themselves. He also fails to explain why he remains in a “racist” white dominated America, when he has the freedom to move to Africa. Buckley also pointed out that the real problem for negroes at the time were the idiot whites in the south voting to keep discrimination against blacks (Democrats). Buckley also pointed out the rising illegitimacy rates in the black community, and as that rate has skyrocketed since then we have seen the effects on the black community. Single parent upbringing is by far the most detrimental thing for a child. That is something conservatives have stood by and have been correct about, while liberals do everything they can to destroy the family unit. How has that liberal ideology worked out for blacks?
How did Selma turn out? It’s one of the poorest run down shit holes in America. Voting Dem has left every black neighborhood and city a complete shit hole, yet you still want to blame conservatives. Well, keep voting the same way for another 100 years, I’m sure it will all magically turn around for you at some point.
Here we see a debate with James Baldwin vs. William Buckley on the issue of race. Buckley was soundly defeated. Buckley's message is still the basic philosophy of conservatism.
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
So slavery, segregation, the KKK, Jim Crow, lynching and cross burning was good for blacks, huh? Yeah, Democrats have been great for them
Here we see a debate with James Baldwin vs. William Buckley on the issue of race. Buckley was soundly defeated. Buckley's message is still the basic philosophy of conservatism.
James Baldwin Debates William F. Buckley (1965)
Of course it's Racist.I found this statement racist and highly offensive, "Conservatism Has Always Been Wrong for Blacks"