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There was a lockdown, there are limited (or zero) fans allowed at live events.
It was in all the papers.
Um, I already acknowledged that... I thought we were talking about how many people watched it on TV, and it was slightly less than last year.
But you can blame Kap kneeling if you want and it makes you feel better.
Cute, but 100% wrong.Then you are pointless because none of those people have been vindicated.
Actually, they all were.
Colin was. Now the NFL allows kneeling, the big corporations are falling all over themselves to show they are down with the struggle, and state legislatures are finally passing police reform bills.
The Dixie Chicks were. No one is arguing that the Iraq War was a good idea at this point.
Jane - Well, she was right about Vietnam, this was probably a case of shooting the messenger.
While I don't share his beliefs, Tim Tebow was vilified by the left for kneeling in silent prayer. No more disruptive than anything Kaepernick did, the act was considered intolerant and outright disgusting by the shit-stained left.
Tebow knelt in an act of silent, personal prayer. Kapernick knelt in an act of public defiance. The left looked at Tebow as some sort zealot and at Kaepernick as some sort of hero. Kapernick is no hero and Tebow is no zealot, yet only the act of one of them is acceptable to the dumbfucks who inhabit the left...
But, who on the "left" called for Tebow to be banned from football for praying?
His 4 second release, maybe, but not for praying.
The objection to Tebow's acts were not over the prayers but over the public displays.
Public displays which, if they included a prayer rug and bowing to Mecca, I am certain would have prompted the same treatment from you that you give Kap.
Hypocrisy, like Tebow's prayers, should be kept private.
How were Tebow's actions disruptive?
You seem upset that Tebow would put his personal beliefs on display. Well, that's EXACTLY what Kaepernick did. Why is it okay for Kaepernick to do it but not Tebow?
That post takes bullshit to very near it's ultimate level. "Stabbed in the Back" was very much true and has always been grossly understated. I was there and one those soldiers stabbed in the back by traitors and communist sympathizers.
The Stabbed in the back myth was as much a lie in 1980's America as it was in 1920's Germany. We withdrew because working class America got tired of sending their boys off to die, and those boys when they did come back were just as likely to join an anti-war protest.
Millions of innocent South Vietnamese people were slaughtered, sent to "reeducation camps" or otherwise grossly abused because my Country chose to renege on it's promises. We didn't lose a war.
Really, let's look at that one. DURING the war, there were close to three million Vietnamese killed. After the war, not so much.
American traitors gave one away when they ceased to find it amusing.
No, they just asked the pretty basic question, what were we doing over there. The real problem was that if our goal was to prop up the Saigon Regime, when was that going to happen. We dumped hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives trying to prop them up, and the minute we stopped, they got knocked over in 55 days.
Jane Fonda deserves to have spent all these years in a solitary prison cell and there will still be a very long line waiting to piss on her grave when she dies.
Actually, maybe if we put the politicians who lied us into a war in prison instead of the people who objected, we wouldn't have fought a matching one in Iraq.
Weather she got canceled or not is irrelevant because that far less than what she deserved.
I'm just wondering why you don't have this level of ire for the people who started the war.
Look, buddy, I know you have a need to believe that you were part of a noble crusade rather than a complete fuckup by our politicians. (In fact, nearly all wars are the politicians fucking up.) But the thing about Vietnam was it was unnecessary.
We didn't belong there. It was a civil war among the Vietnamese and we picked the wrong side.
Okay. Do you have a police report on that? Should have been a recorded incident.This post is a complete and deliberate lie. And is nothing more than a rehashing of vile communist propaganda. I saw it and Iived it. I helped treat a young soldier who had never even been overseas who, along with several others, were assaulted by those alleged peace-loving hippies and had battery acid thrown in his eyes.
Okay. Do you have a police report on that? Should have been a recorded incident.
Massive evidence was shown on TV news reports every day and discussed in every newspaper across the Nation. No evidence? You have just worked very hard at not seeing it.
Then you should have no problem linking to a contemporaneous newspaper article showing it happened.
The idea that the majority of Americans thought we should yield to communist aggression in Vietnam is at best wild speculation and much more likely just another communist lie perpetuated by their sympathizers.
Um, no, sorry buddy. Polls at the time showed the Public had turned against the war after the Tet Offensive.
By 1971, 60% of Americans thought sending troops to Vietnam was a mistake.
CBS News Poll: U.S. involvement in Vietnam
50 years after the Tet Offensive, the percentage of Americans who think the nation should have stayed out of the conflict has changedwww.cbsnews.com
It is well documented that Jane Fonda aided and abetted a foreign enemy nation that was currently engaged in the killing and maiming of American soldiers and innocent civilians in several neighboring countries. And at the time she was proud of that and included that pride as part of her role in spreading communist propaganda.
Okay. Here's the reality. We fought a long and pointless war the Pentagon concluded when it started was unwinnable because the Communists were popular and the French Quislings we were propping up were not.
Pentagon Papers - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
So we've seen a few threads on these boards about how Gina Carano was fired by Disney after she repeatedly posted racist, conspiratorial and transphobic memes on Twitter, and someone decided that she wasn't the best person to have on your Fun Space Adventure for the Whole Family. Yes, after spending 4 BILLION to buy the rights to Star Wars, they didn't want some third tier actor dragging them into controversy they didn't need.
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Fun Space Adventure... Calling them "Younglings" so you don't have to say, "Killed Children"
Anyway, the Right Wing has gone apoplectic over this. How dare we punish this poor woman for merely expressing her opinion.
Of course, these were the same people who insisted that the NFL Fire Colin Kaepernick because he took a knee protesting police misconduct and killing of black people.
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Eventually, he was proven right when the country exploded into riots after George Floyd was murdered. Even big corporations got in on the act.
Then there were the Dixie Chicks. Remember them? They were a country band that expressed the opinion that our war with Iraq over weapons that didn't exist was probably a bad idea. (Actually, only one of them did, but they all paid for it.
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Eventually, they were proven right. Heck, you'd be hard pressed to find a Right Winger today who would argue the Iraq War was a good idea.
Then there was the grandmother of all "Cancel Culture", Jane Fonda. You remember Jane? She was the one who said our undeclared war in Vietnam was a terrible idea. Even humanized the people we were mercilessly bombing by visiting them.
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Well, she was proven right. The war was a bad idea. Not that it did her any good, people still denounced her as "Hanoi Jane" and her career was pretty much over by 1980.
Point is, the Right Wing was for Cancel Culture (really, "Consequence Culture") before they were against it.
So let the right wing outrage begin!!!
This post is a complete and deliberate lie. And is nothing more than a rehashing of vile communist propaganda. I saw it and Iived it. I helped treat a young soldier who had never even been overseas who, along with several others, were assaulted by those alleged peace-loving hippies and had battery acid thrown in his eyes. No evidence (other than eye witnesses)? Massive evidence was shown on TV news reports every day and discussed in every newspaper across the Nation. No evidence? You have just worked very hard at not seeing it.
That post takes bullshit to very near it's ultimate level. "Stabbed in the Back" was very much true and has always been grossly understated. I was there and one those soldiers stabbed in the back by traitors and communist sympathizers.
The Stabbed in the back myth was as much a lie in 1980's America as it was in 1920's Germany. We withdrew because working class America got tired of sending their boys off to die, and those boys when they did come back were just as likely to join an anti-war protest.
Millions of innocent South Vietnamese people were slaughtered, sent to "reeducation camps" or otherwise grossly abused because my Country chose to renege on it's promises. We didn't lose a war.
Really, let's look at that one. DURING the war, there were close to three million Vietnamese killed. After the war, not so much.
American traitors gave one away when they ceased to find it amusing.
No, they just asked the pretty basic question, what were we doing over there. The real problem was that if our goal was to prop up the Saigon Regime, when was that going to happen. We dumped hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives trying to prop them up, and the minute we stopped, they got knocked over in 55 days.
Jane Fonda deserves to have spent all these years in a solitary prison cell and there will still be a very long line waiting to piss on her grave when she dies.
Actually, maybe if we put the politicians who lied us into a war in prison instead of the people who objected, we wouldn't have fought a matching one in Iraq.
Weather she got canceled or not is irrelevant because that far less than what she deserved.
I'm just wondering why you don't have this level of ire for the people who started the war.
Look, buddy, I know you have a need to believe that you were part of a noble crusade rather than a complete fuckup by our politicians. (In fact, nearly all wars are the politicians fucking up.) But the thing about Vietnam was it was unnecessary.
We didn't belong there. It was a civil war among the Vietnamese and we picked the wrong side.
That post takes bullshit to very near it's ultimate level. "Stabbed in the Back" was very much true and has always been grossly understated. I was there and one those soldiers stabbed in the back by traitors and communist sympathizers.
The Stabbed in the back myth was as much a lie in 1980's America as it was in 1920's Germany. We withdrew because working class America got tired of sending their boys off to die, and those boys when they did come back were just as likely to join an anti-war protest.
Millions of innocent South Vietnamese people were slaughtered, sent to "reeducation camps" or otherwise grossly abused because my Country chose to renege on it's promises. We didn't lose a war.
Really, let's look at that one. DURING the war, there were close to three million Vietnamese killed. After the war, not so much.
American traitors gave one away when they ceased to find it amusing.
No, they just asked the pretty basic question, what were we doing over there. The real problem was that if our goal was to prop up the Saigon Regime, when was that going to happen. We dumped hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives trying to prop them up, and the minute we stopped, they got knocked over in 55 days.
Jane Fonda deserves to have spent all these years in a solitary prison cell and there will still be a very long line waiting to piss on her grave when she dies.
Actually, maybe if we put the politicians who lied us into a war in prison instead of the people who objected, we wouldn't have fought a matching one in Iraq.
Weather she got canceled or not is irrelevant because that far less than what she deserved.
I'm just wondering why you don't have this level of ire for the people who started the war.
Look, buddy, I know you have a need to believe that you were part of a noble crusade rather than a complete fuckup by our politicians. (In fact, nearly all wars are the politicians fucking up.) But the thing about Vietnam was it was unnecessary.
We didn't belong there. It was a civil war among the Vietnamese and we picked the wrong side.
I'm just wondering why you don't have this level of ire for the people who started the war.That post takes bullshit to very near it's ultimate level. "Stabbed in the Back" was very much true and has always been grossly understated. I was there and one those soldiers stabbed in the back by traitors and communist sympathizers.
The Stabbed in the back myth was as much a lie in 1980's America as it was in 1920's Germany. We withdrew because working class America got tired of sending their boys off to die, and those boys when they did come back were just as likely to join an anti-war protest.
Millions of innocent South Vietnamese people were slaughtered, sent to "reeducation camps" or otherwise grossly abused because my Country chose to renege on it's promises. We didn't lose a war.
Really, let's look at that one. DURING the war, there were close to three million Vietnamese killed. After the war, not so much.
American traitors gave one away when they ceased to find it amusing.
No, they just asked the pretty basic question, what were we doing over there. The real problem was that if our goal was to prop up the Saigon Regime, when was that going to happen. We dumped hundreds of billions of dollars and thousands of lives trying to prop them up, and the minute we stopped, they got knocked over in 55 days.
Jane Fonda deserves to have spent all these years in a solitary prison cell and there will still be a very long line waiting to piss on her grave when she dies.
Actually, maybe if we put the politicians who lied us into a war in prison instead of the people who objected, we wouldn't have fought a matching one in Iraq.
Weather she got canceled or not is irrelevant because that far less than what she deserved.
I'm just wondering why you don't have this level of ire for the people who started the war.
Look, buddy, I know you have a need to believe that you were part of a noble crusade rather than a complete fuckup by our politicians. (In fact, nearly all wars are the politicians fucking up.) But the thing about Vietnam was it was unnecessary.
We didn't belong there. It was a civil war among the Vietnamese and we picked the wrong side.
EXCUUUUUUUUUUSE ME??????
Tebow's actions occurred DURING THE GAME!
Kaepernick's occurred BEFORE THE GAME!
Now which one disrupted the game?
I was not upset with Tebow, I was disappointed.
Those are all good points but I do wonder what did Gina Carano say that you label as racist, conspiratorial and transphobic? What even is transphobic?
Irrational fear of transsexual Americans.
The transphobic, anti-mask, and Holocaust tweets that led to Gina Carano getting fired from Disney's The Mandalorian
Former MMA star and actress Gina Carano continues to trend worldwide after being fired unceremoniously from Disney's The Mandalorian.www.sportskeeda.com
I don't see anything racist or transphobic there. And I agree with her about the face diapers. And it is a fact that people were turning other people in during Nazi Germany. They are even doing that now in the US and reporting people for not wearing a face diaper.
I couldn't get past the first sentence.
Why?
Because you aren't her employer.
Do you believe in the "right to work" laws? If so, you understand that the employer doesn't need much of a reason to fire an employee.
Do you understand a company having the right to hire employees who don't offend people and don't cause a hostile work environment?
Do you understand a company has the right to protect the company? They all have morals clauses in their contracts. The company has the right to have a reputation and the right to protect that reputation.
Finally, do you understand you don't work for that company, you don't own that company and you have no right expect to dictate who that company can hire or fire?
You seem to think that your views actually matter. They don't.
Given that the soldier was an MP and he was one of several injuries incurred during rioting in San Francisco and was treated in Letterman Gen. USAH and may have been followed up by the VA for service connected disability (blindness) I am quite sure that lots of records were made. I was there and saw it for myself as well as played my own minor role. I don't need records to know what I saw and did. And you obviously only care about propaganda rather actual history so I don't believe you are going to be searching through 50 yr./old records for truth you are not interested in.
Neither should you. I was paying attention and already know what happened. You are the one who has bought into the lies and cannot be bothered with the truth. You could always take the time to educate yourself but you won't because you prefer the lie.
Yes, please feel free. I imagine that's actually a pretty conservative figure especially if you attempt to include North Vietnamese, South Vietnamese, Assorted tribesmen, Thai, Cambodians, Laotians, Chinese, Russians, Australians, Americans and who knows who knows who all else. And of course the war didn't stop and the killing didn't end with the withdrawal of our combat units. Who killed who, when, how, and why are factors that do seem to matter even in warfare. When exactly was "after the war"?
Untrue. And the time to question making a commitment is before you make the commitment not after spending years and lives and treasure trying to accomplish it. American made South Vietnam an ally and promised to help them in the event of attempted Communist aggression. In the end America betrayed their ally and negated the meaning of the deaths thousands of troops who died for that cause and trying to fulfill that promise. That is an indelible shame that will not be forgotten.
We betrayed them while the USSR and China continued their support of North Vietnam. Not really a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination.
The war was started and continued by the North Vietnamese with the liberal support of China and the USSR. This is well known and supported historical fact and even admitted by the North Vietnamese. It was never a Civil War and ended after a full scale invasion by the regular North Vietnamese Army. The idea that it was a civil war was never anything other that Communist propaganda which even the communists stopped trying to attempt.
I have no idea if we should have been there or not or even if that matters. My opinion wasn't asked or required. And your opinion on the subject is meaningless to me.
However if you desire long life good health and fortune never ever call me "buddy" again. Just a word to the wise.
Really?Then there was the grandmother of all "Cancel Culture", Jane Fonda. You remember Jane? She was the one who said our undeclared war in Vietnam was a terrible idea.
So now you've changed the story. You've gone from "Singled out because he was a serviceman" to "Injured while a riot was going on." So this wasn't what you presented it as, a person being attacked merely because he was a service member.Given that the soldier was an MP and he was one of several injuries incurred during rioting in San Francisco and was treated in Letterman Gen. USAH and may have been followed up by the VA for service connected disability (blindness) I am quite sure that lots of records were made. I was there and saw it for myself as well as played my own minor role. I don't need records to know what I saw and did. And you obviously only care about propaganda rather actual history so I don't believe you are going to be searching through 50 yr./old records for truth you are not interested in.
I helped treat a young soldier who had never even been overseas who, along with several others, were assaulted by those alleged peace-loving hippies and had battery acid thrown in his eyes. No evidence (other than eye witnesses)? Massive evidence was shown on TV news reports every day and discussed in every newspaper across the Nation. No evidence? You have just worked very hard at not seeing it.
Neither should you. I was paying attention and already know what happened. You are the one who has bought into the lies and cannot be bothered with the truth. You could always take the time to educate yourself but you won't because you prefer the lie.
Actually, I don't have to prove a negative. You clearly don't understand how evidence works. If you are going to make a claim that "Hippies were spitting on service members", then you have to show evidence that actually happened with news reports. (Not some bitter member of a "moron brigade" who was upset he didn't get a parade when he got back like his Dad got in WWII).
Yes, please feel free. I imagine that's actually a pretty conservative figure especially if you attempt to include North Vietnamese, South Vietnamese, Assorted tribesmen, Thai, Cambodians, Laotians, Chinese, Russians, Australians, Americans and who knows who knows who all else. And of course the war didn't stop and the killing didn't end with the withdrawal of our combat units. Who killed who, when, how, and why are factors that do seem to matter even in warfare. When exactly was "after the war"?
The war was over when that last helicopter flew off the Embassy roof. that's what Jerry Ford said in 1975.
The Vietnamese not only didn't really retaliate that badly against the quislings in the South, but they actually liberated Cambodia from the Khmer Rogue when those people went nuts and started killing everyone.
Untrue. And the time to question making a commitment is before you make the commitment not after spending years and lives and treasure trying to accomplish it. American made South Vietnam an ally and promised to help them in the event of attempted Communist aggression. In the end America betrayed their ally and negated the meaning of the deaths thousands of troops who died for that cause and trying to fulfill that promise. That is an indelible shame that will not be forgotten.
We betrayed them while the USSR and China continued their support of North Vietnam. Not really a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination.
Uh, no, buddy, not really. You don't keep throwing good money after bad. There has to be a certain point where you realize a situation is hopeless despite all your best intentions. The "South Vietnamese" really weren't committed to the Saigon regime. They simply put down their arms in the fact of the offensive because it wasn't worth losing your life for a bunch of guys who had already made plans to flee the country with their stolen loot. (Which is exactly what Thieu, Ky and the other Quislings did.)
The war was started and continued by the North Vietnamese with the liberal support of China and the USSR. This is well known and supported historical fact and even admitted by the North Vietnamese. It was never a Civil War and ended after a full scale invasion by the regular North Vietnamese Army. The idea that it was a civil war was never anything other that Communist propaganda which even the communists stopped trying to attempt.
This is where you are confused. there were no "North Vietnamese" and "South Vietnamese" before 1954. There were just the Vietnamese, who were sick and tired of the French looting their country. The French attempted to create a quisling regime in Saigon after they lost the north, but the Vietnamese themselves weren't down with that, and even the CIA admitted that if they put Ho Chi Mihn on the ballot in the south, he would have won. He was a national hero who had fought the French and Japanese. The people we propped up where collaborators who were hated. The only guy who had SOME nationalist cred was Diem, and JFK had that poor fool killed.
I have no idea if we should have been there or not or even if that matters. My opinion wasn't asked or required. And your opinion on the subject is meaningless to me.
That sounds suspiciously like "I was only following orders". Ask the Nazis at Nuremburg how that one worked out for them. Or ask Rusty Calley. I think he's still alive somewhere.
However if you desire long life good health and fortune never ever call me "buddy" again. Just a word to the wise.
Yeah, Grandpa, you are really scary. Word to the wise, threats on a message board are meaningless and against the rules
The SEATO treaty and the fear of the Domino affect was our reasoning at least officially. Korea was not popular with some people and Viet Nam was much worse with a generation born into being given more things then any generation had before.Given that the soldier was an MP and he was one of several injuries incurred during rioting in San Francisco and was treated in Letterman Gen. USAH and may have been followed up by the VA for service connected disability (blindness) I am quite sure that lots of records were made. I was there and saw it for myself as well as played my own minor role. I don't need records to know what I saw and did. And you obviously only care about propaganda rather actual history so I don't believe you are going to be searching through 50 yr./old records for truth you are not interested in.
So now you've changed the story. You've gone from "Singled out because he was a serviceman" to "Injured while a riot was going on." So this wasn't what you presented it as, a person being attacked merely because he was a service member.
Neither should you. I was paying attention and already know what happened. You are the one who has bought into the lies and cannot be bothered with the truth. You could always take the time to educate yourself but you won't because you prefer the lie.
Actually, I don't have to prove a negative. You clearly don't understand how evidence works. If you are going to make a claim that "Hippies were spitting on service members", then you have to show evidence that actually happened with news reports. (Not some bitter member of a "moron brigade" who was upset he didn't get a parade when he got back like his Dad got in WWII).
Yes, please feel free. I imagine that's actually a pretty conservative figure especially if you attempt to include North Vietnamese, South Vietnamese, Assorted tribesmen, Thai, Cambodians, Laotians, Chinese, Russians, Australians, Americans and who knows who knows who all else. And of course the war didn't stop and the killing didn't end with the withdrawal of our combat units. Who killed who, when, how, and why are factors that do seem to matter even in warfare. When exactly was "after the war"?
The war was over when that last helicopter flew off the Embassy roof. that's what Jerry Ford said in 1975.
The Vietnamese not only didn't really retaliate that badly against the quislings in the South, but they actually liberated Cambodia from the Khmer Rogue when those people went nuts and started killing everyone.
Untrue. And the time to question making a commitment is before you make the commitment not after spending years and lives and treasure trying to accomplish it. American made South Vietnam an ally and promised to help them in the event of attempted Communist aggression. In the end America betrayed their ally and negated the meaning of the deaths thousands of troops who died for that cause and trying to fulfill that promise. That is an indelible shame that will not be forgotten.
We betrayed them while the USSR and China continued their support of North Vietnam. Not really a fair fight by any stretch of the imagination.
Uh, no, buddy, not really. You don't keep throwing good money after bad. There has to be a certain point where you realize a situation is hopeless despite all your best intentions. The "South Vietnamese" really weren't committed to the Saigon regime. They simply put down their arms in the fact of the offensive because it wasn't worth losing your life for a bunch of guys who had already made plans to flee the country with their stolen loot. (Which is exactly what Thieu, Ky and the other Quislings did.)
The war was started and continued by the North Vietnamese with the liberal support of China and the USSR. This is well known and supported historical fact and even admitted by the North Vietnamese. It was never a Civil War and ended after a full scale invasion by the regular North Vietnamese Army. The idea that it was a civil war was never anything other that Communist propaganda which even the communists stopped trying to attempt.
This is where you are confused. there were no "North Vietnamese" and "South Vietnamese" before 1954. There were just the Vietnamese, who were sick and tired of the French looting their country. The French attempted to create a quisling regime in Saigon after they lost the north, but the Vietnamese themselves weren't down with that, and even the CIA admitted that if they put Ho Chi Mihn on the ballot in the south, he would have won. He was a national hero who had fought the French and Japanese. The people we propped up where collaborators who were hated. The only guy who had SOME nationalist cred was Diem, and JFK had that poor fool killed.
I have no idea if we should have been there or not or even if that matters. My opinion wasn't asked or required. And your opinion on the subject is meaningless to me.
That sounds suspiciously like "I was only following orders". Ask the Nazis at Nuremburg how that one worked out for them. Or ask Rusty Calley. I think he's still alive somewhere.
However if you desire long life good health and fortune never ever call me "buddy" again. Just a word to the wise.
Yeah, Grandpa, you are really scary. Word to the wise, threats on a message board are meaningless and against the rules
No one censored it, no one supported it because the people claiming it was an inside conspiracy are a bunch of loons. Being laughed at because you are an idiot isn't censorship.Again, what have Conservatives canceled in the last 20 years?
Again, see the OP.
So, I will just take it as you don't have any of your own and leave it at that.
So, I will just take it that you can't address the ones in the OP.
You call out liberals for cancel culture and compare them to Nazis but you sure as hell can't call out conservatives for cancel culture.
Thanks for proving my point.
I could give you one that Conservatives did off the top of my head. Back in the 2,000's after 911. The Conservatives were censoring any kind of talk about 911 and any kind of talk about it being an inside job. Bill O'reilly and those other assclowns pissed me off during those times for not looking at the facts of 911. And much of it is still censored to this day to talk about.
When you slap the people who support you and buy tickets to the product you produce in the face. they have the right to stop buying those tickets. That's not being censored or cancelled, it's the average person voting with their pocketbook.You missed the point dumb ass....you idiots claim he was canceled by the Right...when it is obvious to normal people you don't know what you are talking about.....you couldn't watch the democrat party controlled CBS, NBC, ABC, NPR, PBS the late night comedians, the hollywood entertainment shows or award shows without seeing them kiss his ass, you dumb ass....
That is the exact fucking opposite of being canceled....you moron.
You still don't get it because you're retarded.
He received a ton of backlash for kneeling, you moron.
To the point that he couldn't get a job anywhere else, you shit bird.
So yes, he was cancelled, you moron.
You idiot.
No, I was in the service during the waning years of Vietnam, at the worst time of the protests and I can't think of a single fellow soldier that I met that agreed with Fonda. She was universally hated by us, enlisted and draftees alike. Most of us felt betrayed by both our government AND the protestors both sides hung us out to dry while we were fighting the war they sent us to fight.1) what repeated racist, conspiratorial and transphobi meme? Can you provide them?I provided a link earlier in the thread... all this "nuh-uh" shit is tiresome.
2) The NFL didn't fire him, they didn't hire him. He was fired by SF 49ers. He was an average QB to start with, and was struggling towards the end of his career, coming off injuries and 3 surgeries entering the 2016 season. Gabbert beat him out for the starting job that season. He did start one game, in October against the Bills and they got blown out 45-16. His was let go because he couldn't preform anymore.
He got let go because they blackballed him, and when they sued they settled before discovery was allowed to go forward because that would have proven his claim that there was collusion.
Come on, the Chicago Bears could have used a QB of his caliber, instead of Trubinsky, who keeps fucking up and still has a job. But he didn't take a knee... at least not until it was fashionable.
3) I have no issue with the Dixie Chicks, not supporting the war, and things likely went to far, but they were not fired from their label....the folks they were selling records to, decided they didn't want to buy them anymore...a lot was likely due to their response after their comment overseas...such as this: "We don't feel a part of the country scene any longer, it can't be our home anymore."
They didn't feel part of the country scene because of the backlash against them by the inbred morons who listen to country music turned on them.
Just look at their discography.
The Chicks discography - Wikipedia
Whoops. They crashed and burned after 2003.
4) as far as Jane....no she wasn't right.....it's one thing to oppose the war, it's something totally different to sit on top of an anti-aircraft gun targeting our troops. She was in the camp of people killing her fellow countrymen, mere miles away from where many were locked in cages, and being tortured. In later life she even acknowledged how wrong she was for it.
She acknowledged she was sorry that her actions hurt the feelings of servicemembers. The thing is, most of those Servicemembers probably would have agreed with her. This was a war where we drafted poor people to fight the war, while Rich people like Trump and Rush Limbaugh got exemptions. The best thing she did was point out the ludicrousness of it all.
Um. Yeah. It was horrible that the Vietnamese were torturing the people who were carpet bombing them. Everyone involved was a victim while the people in Washington and the big board rooms of corporations that profited from "Forever War" were exempt.
Draftees died at a higher rate than other soldiers because they were more likely to wind up as infantry, especially if their intelligence scores (what the military called a GT score) was below average. The GT score determined what jobs you were assigned to, not your enlisted or draftee status. I was EOD which was among the very toughest schools in the military to survive and we had both draftees and enlisted men in the school.He got let go because he was toxic. He wasn't rehired because teams decided they didn't want such a divisive piece of shit on their roster...
The same reason why Disney fired Gina Carano.
Maybe, had they kept their mouths shut, and not been critical of their President on foreign shores, they'd have been treated better...
Last time I checked, Presidents aren't royalty.... So you are going to shut the fuck up about PRESIDENT Biden for the next four years, right?
Fuck her. I hope she dies.
Those fighting in Vietnam didn't agree with her, and it wasn't only "poor people" who went over there. My uncle had a net worth of nearly $40 million in 1968, yet my cousin Paul still went to Vietnam and fought.
Don't be so myopic. It makes you look stupid...
Really? What was his MOS. I'm guessing it wasn't 11B.
Check this out, this is the high regard our leaders had for the people they sent over there.
Project 100,000 - Wikipedia
Project 100,000 (also McNamara's 100,000), also known as McNamara's Folly, McNamara's Morons and McNamara's Misfits,[1][2] was a controversial 1960s program by the United States Department of Defense (DoD) to recruit soldiers who would previously have been below military mental or medical standards. Project 100,000 was initiated by Defense Secretary Robert McNamara in October 1966 to meet the escalating manpower requirements of the American government's involvement in the Vietnam War. Inductees of the project died at higher rates[1] than other Americans serving in Vietnam and following their service had lower incomes and higher rates of divorce than their non-veteran counterparts.
Thank you for your service, my father is a Vietnam vet as well. It's tragic how you all were treated, and even more tragic watching these libs try to erase that history like it really didn't happen....and even more disheartening watching them try to defend the actions of people like Fonda.No, I was in the service during the waning years of Vietnam, at the worst time of the protests and I can't think of a single fellow soldier that I met that agreed with Fonda. She was universally hated by us, enlisted and draftees alike. Most of us felt betrayed by both our government AND the protestors both sides hung us out to dry while we were fighting the war they sent us to fight.1) what repeated racist, conspiratorial and transphobi meme? Can you provide them?I provided a link earlier in the thread... all this "nuh-uh" shit is tiresome.
2) The NFL didn't fire him, they didn't hire him. He was fired by SF 49ers. He was an average QB to start with, and was struggling towards the end of his career, coming off injuries and 3 surgeries entering the 2016 season. Gabbert beat him out for the starting job that season. He did start one game, in October against the Bills and they got blown out 45-16. His was let go because he couldn't preform anymore.
He got let go because they blackballed him, and when they sued they settled before discovery was allowed to go forward because that would have proven his claim that there was collusion.
Come on, the Chicago Bears could have used a QB of his caliber, instead of Trubinsky, who keeps fucking up and still has a job. But he didn't take a knee... at least not until it was fashionable.
3) I have no issue with the Dixie Chicks, not supporting the war, and things likely went to far, but they were not fired from their label....the folks they were selling records to, decided they didn't want to buy them anymore...a lot was likely due to their response after their comment overseas...such as this: "We don't feel a part of the country scene any longer, it can't be our home anymore."
They didn't feel part of the country scene because of the backlash against them by the inbred morons who listen to country music turned on them.
Just look at their discography.
The Chicks discography - Wikipedia
Whoops. They crashed and burned after 2003.
4) as far as Jane....no she wasn't right.....it's one thing to oppose the war, it's something totally different to sit on top of an anti-aircraft gun targeting our troops. She was in the camp of people killing her fellow countrymen, mere miles away from where many were locked in cages, and being tortured. In later life she even acknowledged how wrong she was for it.
She acknowledged she was sorry that her actions hurt the feelings of servicemembers. The thing is, most of those Servicemembers probably would have agreed with her. This was a war where we drafted poor people to fight the war, while Rich people like Trump and Rush Limbaugh got exemptions. The best thing she did was point out the ludicrousness of it all.
Um. Yeah. It was horrible that the Vietnamese were torturing the people who were carpet bombing them. Everyone involved was a victim while the people in Washington and the big board rooms of corporations that profited from "Forever War" were exempt.
