Condemning communism

[Curried Goats]

No they have not.

Communism is a modern political ideology.

Capitalism is a modern economic system which works well.

Communism and Capitalism are both political and economic systems, economic systems are after all protected and given authority by government. Capitalism is just as reliant on the force of government to uphold property rights and settle legal disputes as communism is on government to uphold its tenants and that government can be authoritarian or democratic in nature for both. In many ways the early American government was a capitalist and authoritarian government. It denied blacks and women the right to own property or participate democratically and allowed capitalists to own other human beings and profit off their labor. Capitalist democracy can be just as evil as authoritarian communism and socialism and communism can be democratic and moral depending on the circumstance. You shouldn't be so afraid of any ideas you should weary of how people seek to implement them.

I was raised in Miami and had a lot of Cuban friends. The knew1st hand about communism and they shared their stories. I was raised with the motto of "the only god commie is a dead commie", Nothing has changed to make me change my mind. If anything my resolve has only gotten stronger as commies are trying to change my country

I was raised in Miami as well and I've encountered this sort of ignorance a lot, mostly from the older and uneducated crowd. A lot of older Cuban immigrants like to forget the inconvenient fact that Castro as despicable and horrible as he ending up being, came in to power after leading a revolt against the American backed dictator Batista. They aren't intelligent enough to understand the irony there.

 

[bripat9643]

The government is the only way to create consequences that make an incentive for doing what people want.
If government does not do what people want, they get voted out.
With private enterprise, you get no say at all.

When did the politicians who created Amtrak get voted out? Obamacare? Welfare?

Government programs have no penalty for failure, so your theory is obvious horseshit. If private companies don't produce something consumers want, they go bankrupt. One more reason your theory is bunk.

 

[bripat9643]

Communism and Capitalism are both political and economic systems, economic systems are after all protected and given authority by government. Capitalism is just as reliant on the force of government to uphold property rights and settle legal disputes as communism is on government to uphold its tenants and that government can be authoritarian or democratic in nature for both. In many ways the early American government was a capitalist and authoritarian government. It denied blacks and women the right to own property or participate democratically and allowed capitalists to own other human beings and profit off their labor. Capitalist democracy can be just as evil as authoritarian communism and socialism and communism can be democratic and moral depending on the circumstance. You shouldn't be so afraid of any ideas you should weary of how people seek to implement them.


I was raised in Miami as well and I've encountered this sort of ignorance a lot, mostly from the older and uneducated crowd. A lot of older Cuban immigrants like to forget the inconvenient fact that Castro as despicable and horrible as he ending up being, came in to power after leading a revolt against the American backed dictator Batista. They aren't intelligent enough to understand the irony there.

What a load of horseshit.

 

[2aguy]

Excellent deflection. I note a lack of condemnation of communism.


Me? I condemn communism. IMO, it is morally equal to Fascism. Both are totalitarian style ideologies that have killed tens, if not hundreds of millions.

Communism and fascism are two flavors of socialism….. the chocolate and vanilla of mass murdering socialism

 

[EvMetro]

Communism and Capitalism are both political and economic systems, economic systems are after all protected and given authority by government. Capitalism is just as reliant on the force of government to uphold property rights and settle legal disputes as communism is on government to uphold its tenants and that government can be authoritarian or democratic in nature for both. In many ways the early American government was a capitalist and authoritarian government. It denied blacks and women the right to own property or participate democratically and allowed capitalists to own other human beings and profit off their labor. Capitalist democracy can be just as evil as authoritarian communism and socialism and communism can be democratic and moral depending on the circumstance. You shouldn't be so afraid of any ideas you should weary of how people seek to implement them.


I was raised in Miami as well and I've encountered this sort of ignorance a lot, mostly from the older and uneducated crowd. A lot of older Cuban immigrants like to forget the inconvenient fact that Castro as despicable and horrible as he ending up being, came in to power after leading a revolt against the American backed dictator Batista. They aren't intelligent enough to understand the irony there.

Do you condemn communism?

 

[Curried Goats]

What a load of horseshit.

Is that the best intellectual response you can muster?

Do you condemn communism?

Why should I? What's wrong with people choosing to share resources and property? It's force against liberty and freedom that should he condemned not free choice.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Is that the best intellectual response you can muster?

Why should I? What's wrong with people choosing to share resources and property? It's force against liberty and freedom that should he condemned not free choice.

Communism is always by definition and design tyrannical and in opposition to liberty freedom and choice.

 

[Curried Goats]

Communism is always by definition and design tyrannical and in opposition to liberty freedom and choice.

No it's not. By definition it's a political and economic system of shared ownership of resources. Whether governments actually end up equally sharing those resources and allows their citizens a democratic say in how those resources are shared determines whether they are tyrannical or not just as capitalism as practiced by America's Founders was tyrannical to blacks until it recognized them as individuals deserving of liberty and democracy. And that was just a few short 57 years ago.

 

[EvMetro]

No it's not. By definition it's a political and economic system of shared ownership of resources. Whether governments actually end up equally sharing those resources and allows their citizens a democratic say in how those resources are shared determines whether they are tyrannical or not just as capitalism as practiced by America's Founders was tyrannical to blacks until it recognized them as individuals deserving of liberty and democracy. And that was just a few short 57 years ago.

Ever notice how all the threads about communism have righties condemning communism and lefties defending it? Why do you suppose we don't see lefties condemning communism?

 

[Mr Natural]

Ever notice how all the threads about communism have righties condemning communism and lefties defending it? Why do you suppose we don't see lefties condemning communism?

Because the communist boogie man ended some 40 years ago.

 

[Curried Goats]

Ever notice how all the threads about communism have righties condemning communism and lefties defending it? Why do you suppose we don't see lefties condemning communism?

I never fail to notice how you can't ever actually make a rational argument and instead rely solely on supposition.

 

[EvMetro]

Because the communist boogie man ended some 40 years ago.

What is the Communist boogie man?

 

[Curried Goats]

What is the Communist boogie man?

Because you're irrationally afraid it and can't explain why.

 

[EvMetro]

I never fail to notice how you can't ever actually make a rational argument and instead rely solely on supposition.

I often take a stand, but only when I know I'm right. As an example, I assert that lefties defend communism and I assert that lefties evade discussing why this is.

 

[Curried Goats]

I often take a stand, but only when I know I'm right. As an example, I assert that lefties defend communism and I assert that lefties evade discussing why this is.

Yet here I am discussing it and here you are failing to bring intelligent rebuttal to that conversation.

 

[EvMetro]

Because you're irrationally afraid it and can't explain why.

If your evasion of my question is to suggest that I am afraid of communism, you are very correct, and it is for the reason that Soupnazi630 just posted: "Communism is always by definition and design tyrannical and in opposition to liberty freedom and choice."

BTW, why do you suppose we never see lefties condemning communism?

 

[Curried Goats]

If your evasion of my question is to suggest that I am afraid of communism, you are very correct, and it is for the reason that Soupnazi630 just posted: "Communism is always by definition and design tyrannical and in opposition to liberty freedom and choice."

BTW, why do you suppose we never see lefties defending communism?

And I replied to Spounazi explaining exactly why he was wrong. That's how debate works. Can you respond to what I said with an intelligent and rational counter argument?

 

[EvMetro]

Yet here I am discussing it and here you are failing to bring intelligent rebuttal to that conversation.

Glad to see you discussing it. Why do you think we don't see lefties condemning communism?

 

[Curried Goats]

Glad to see you discussing it. Why do you think we don't see lefties condemning communism?

And I responded by asking you why should I? I can't speak for all lefties but I see value in sharing some resources. I also see value in Democracy.

 

[EvMetro]

And I replied to Spounazi explaining exactly why he was wrong. That's how debate works. Can you respond to what I said with an intelligent and rational counter argument?

When you replied to soupnazi, I noticed that you were supporting communism, which reminded me of why I write the opening post, and the question that I asked in it about why we never see lefties condemning communism. I would think that if you truly respected debate format, you would start by addressing the opening post and premise of the thread first, before commencing to defend communism some more.