Common sense gun regulations--need to be passed now.

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

I would support a mandatory gun safety and operation training course for all students in all public schools, as a prerequisite to graduation.

 

[jon_berzerk]

Republicans repealed Obama's order on mental health that he initiated after Sandy Hook.

Even the ACLU was against that. It was terrible and would NOT have stopped Parkland.

Republicans refused to even put people that were on a no fly list and FBI terrorist watch list on a no gun list.

The no-fly list is not carefully done (anyone can end up on it for no reason) and it lacks due process. I am sure we can do that in a way that maintains due process rights. Nobody (democrats included) has even half-ass tried to make the no fly list protect due process rights.

no due process no right restriction

 

[oreo]

Republicans repealed Obama's order on mental health that he initiated after Sandy Hook.

Even the ACLU was against that. It was terrible and would NOT have stopped Parkland.

Republicans refused to even put people that were on a no fly list and FBI terrorist watch list on a no gun list.

The no-fly list is not carefully done (anyone can end up on it for no reason) and it lacks due process. I am sure we can do that in a way that maintains due process rights. Nobody (democrats included) has even half-ass tried to make the no fly list protect due process rights.

no due process no right restriction

Due process doesn't happen until you're charged with a "crime." In the past after one of these mass killings, people have run to the gun store to buy semi-automatics--because they were afraid they would be banned.

The smart move today would be to take semi-automatics to a hock shop or a gun store and put them up for sale. They aren't going to gain in value. The value will collapse. You're not going to be able to sell a banned semi-automatic in this country. They've talked about incorporating Colorado laws. In Colorado there are no private sales. If you want to sell your guns you have to drop it off at a licensed gun dealer on consignment for background checks.

Democrats are going to take over in 2018--and as soon as they're seated on January 19, 2019 they're going to be writing new gun regulations--and the semi automatic is going to be the main target. And they may very well require a liability insurance policy to keep a semi-automatic--or you'll end up just handing it over eventually.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Due process doesn't happen until you're charged with a "crime." In the past after one of these mass killings, people have run to the gun store to buy semi-automatics--because they were afraid they would be banned.

You need to go back to law school.

The smart move today would be to take them to the hock shop or a gun store and put them up for sale. They aren't going to gain in value--and Democrats are going to take over in 2018--and as soon as they're seated on January 19, 2019 they're going to be writing new gun regulations. And they may very well require a liability insurance policy to keep a semi-automatic--or just hand it over.

The last time the democrats did that shit, we got George W. Bush for 8 fucking years. Hell, we got TRUMP because Commie Clinton is a fucking gun grabber.

You'll do no such thing.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

...and by the way, liability insurance does not cover intentional acts of the insured. It won't cover mass shootings. Not insurance company in the world will insure against intentional torts or intentional criminal acts.


Not gonna happen.

 

[Redfish]

Background checks for private sales are not universal. You're ignorant.

background checks on sales by a licensed dealer are universal. sales between individuals will never be monitored or checked. You're ignorant.

Every day I am further amazed as to why people like you want individuals to be able to sell guns to felons and other disqualified people without liability.

There are many cities in this country that require owners of Pit Bulls to have a liability insurance policy on the dog to keep it.
Pet Liability Insurance for Bully Breeds

Yet an 18 year old--who can't buy a beer yet, can walk into a gun store--pick up an AR-15 with a 30 round clip and walk out the door for a couple of hundred bucks. Amazing ignorance. Now if this semi-automatic required a liability policy on it to purchase it, how interested would this kid be in it? How many insurance companies would want to issue this kid a policy on this gun? Probably not too many.

Trump has proposed raising the age limit to 21 and banning bump stocks, the NRA supports these changes, do you?

as to liability, if you commit a crime you are liable under the law, we don't need to make any insurance companies richer.

leftists should be happy about this however I am not

i am against banning a class of lawful people from a right

now on the other hand if we changed the age of adulthood to 21

well then then i could get behind that

I agree, make it 21 to vote, buy booze, serve in the military, enter into contracts, etc. and to buy firearms.

But the real problem is not age, its mental illness and a sick society that created these hate filled monsters. The violence and intolerance that is rampant in our culture is the direct cause of a lot of this. We have always had guns in this country, the mass shootings is a relatively new phenomenon. A sick culture produces sick people. Educators that indoctrinate in hate rather than teach are to blame for a lot of these sick kids.

Until we return to a civil society, this kind of thing will continue to happen, whether it be by gun, bomb, or a truck mowing down a crowd on a street.

 

[sealybobo]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

Did you hear they caught the escaped prisoner? He had a gun. How did he get a gun?

During his time on the run, authorities said he was able to change his appearance with a fresh shave and new clothing. He also allegedly stole a van, which was later found abandoned, and a rifle from a local home’s garage.

Whoever left a loaded rifle in their garage should be charged. Common sense gun legislation.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Did you hear they caught the escaped prisoner? He had a gun. How did he get a gun?

During his time on the run, authorities said he was able to change his appearance with a fresh shave and new clothing. He also allegedly stole a van, which was later found abandoned, and a rifle from a local home’s garage.

Whoever left a loaded rifle in their garage should be charged. Common sense gun legislation.

Charge the victim of a crime, makes lefty loon sense to me.

 

[sealybobo]

Charge the victim of a crime, makes lefty loon sense to me.

The guys already a murderer. We can do both. The home owner who left a gun with bullets in their garage is an idiot. Unless the garage was locked. Then maybe I'd agree with you.

This might be a common sense gun law. Lock your shit up. Be more careful. A lot is at stake. If you truly value life. Republicans value fetus' not life.

 

[The Breeze]

The guys already a murderer. We can do both. The home owner who left a gun with bullets in their garage is an idiot. Unless the garage was locked. Then maybe I'd agree with you.

This might be a common sense gun law. Lock your shit up. Be more careful. A lot is at stake. If you truly value life. Republicans value fetus' not life.

He's also an illegal alien had he been stopped at the border this would be a non issue.

OG member.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

The guys already a murderer. We can do both. The home owner who left a gun with bullets in their garage is an idiot. Unless the garage was locked. Then maybe I'd agree with you.

This might be a common sense gun law. Lock your shit up. Be more careful. A lot is at stake. If you truly value life. Republicans value fetus' not life.

I value my Constitutional rights you moron and will not give those up no matter what kind of sick fuck guilt trip you loons try. You are trying to dictate what people do on their private property It's none of yours or the Governments business. Oh and I'm no Republican.

 

[sealybobo]

He's also an illegal alien had he been stopped at the border this would be a non issue.

OG member.

I believe he flew in to Puerto Rico then from there came to Florida. How did he get in? Using his own passport? I'm looking for details can't find them.

 

[Resnic]

OK--so this year we have 18 school shootings, and it's not even March yet. Yesterday in Florida 15 young people with their entire lives in front of them, along with 2 school teachers trying to protect them were massacred. Then we have Las Vegas. Then a church in Texas were generations of family members were wiped out. We have a movie theatre in Aurora Colorado, then San Diego were a straw buyer purchased semi-automatics for a slaugther there, and Orlando, Florida another one. And Sandy Hook where 5 to 7 year olds were slaughtered.

People have called for better gun regulations in this country and it has continually fallen on deaf ears. Republicans are owned by the NRA and right wing gun extremists.

Here are my suggestions.
1. Ban semi-automatic weapons and 30 round gun clips.
2. People with existing semi-automatics & ammo be required to keep them in a locked secure gun case, and required to maintain an insurance liability policy on that weapon in order to keep them.
3. Parents of children & teenagers are required to keep all of their guns & ammo in locked secure gun safes, inaccessible at all times to their kids.
4. No private sales. If someone wants to sell their gun, it has to be dropped off at a licensed gun dealer for resale so a background check can be done.
5. Background checks including extended mental health checks before any purchase of a gun is made.
6. Straw buyers of guns, those who buy guns for others, be under the same prosecutable standards as those that pull the trigger.
7. Those that are on a no fly list, or FBI terrorist watch list not be able to purchase any guns or ammo.

If these simple regulations were in place--there would have never been a Las Vegas, a Sandy Hook, a Columbine massacre, a church in Texas, San Diego slaughter, Orlando, Florida massacre, a Virginia Tech etc. etc. etc., and 15 young kids and 2 teachers that were killed yesterday would be here today.

You won't convince Republicans to do any of this. They are OWNED by the NRA, and right wing gun extremists, and will fight (tooth & nail) on any new gun regulations. They are more interested in the donations they get from the NRA than keeping the public and our schools safe.

If you're tired of all the condolences & sympathies, then do something about it. Vote for Democrats in the midterm election cycle this coming November for common sense gun regulations.

No.

We need to take crazies, dopeheads and criminals and get rid of them or seperate them from society.

Would you rather live in a society that let's the people who hurt other people run around? Or have more gun control? Me personally I'd rather have the first option.

Decent people that own guns never hurt anyone. And they are the majority of Americans. So instead of punishing them with more laws we should get rid of the few causing the problems.

I want more crazy people, dopehead and criminal control. Not more gun control.

If we lived in a nation where we didn't tolerate people that would go out and hurt others do we need gun control? No, we do not

 

[Papageorgio]

Did you hear they caught the escaped prisoner? He had a gun. How did he get a gun?

During his time on the run, authorities said he was able to change his appearance with a fresh shave and new clothing. He also allegedly stole a van, which was later found abandoned, and a rifle from a local home’s garage.

Whoever left a loaded rifle in their garage should be charged. Common sense gun legislation.

How do you know it was loaded?

 

[Kondor3]

* Tweak the Constitution and Federal Law just enough to allow some reasonable controls on firearms

* Establish mandatory Federal standards that the States are obliged to follow

* Establish mandatory Federal databases for all owners, firearms, licenses, dealers, transactions and transfers, etc.

* Divide gun ownership into different classes - A,B,C,D, etc. - for different firearm categories, much driver's license categories

* Devise appropriate licensure, training and other relevant requirements for each category of firearms

* Devise vigorous background checks (including mental health history red-flag check), Red-Flag Seizure procedures, etc.

* No licenses are issued nor firearms sold or transferred without a Federal Approval No. for the activity in question

* Crucify (metaphorically, anyway) people who kill or maim others using firearms in the commission of a crime

 

[2aguy]

The guys already a murderer. We can do both. The home owner who left a gun with bullets in their garage is an idiot. Unless the garage was locked. Then maybe I'd agree with you.

This might be a common sense gun law. Lock your shit up. Be more careful. A lot is at stake. If you truly value life. Republicans value fetus' not life.

Wow...the escapee
criminal coudlnt hqve broken into the garage? You dumb ass

 

[2aguy]

* Tweak the Constitution and Federal Law just enough to allow some reasonable controls on firearms

* Establish mandatory Federal standards that the States are obliged to follow

* Establish mandatory Federal databases for all owners, firearms, licenses, dealers, transactions and transfers, etc.

* Divide gun ownership into different classes - A,B,C,D, etc. - for different firearm categories, much driver's license categories

* Devise appropriate licensure, training and other relevant requirements for each category of firearms

* Devise vigorous background checks (including mental health history red-flag check), Red-Flag Seizure procedures, etc.

* No licenses are issued nor firearms sold or transferred without a Federal Approval No. for the activity in question

* Crucify (metaphorically, anyway) people who kill or maim others using firearms in the commission of a crime

Yeah....all of that is stupid on top of being unConstitutional.

 

[Kondor3]

Yeah....all of that is stupid on top of being unConstitutional.

Stupid, how?

Oh, and, it's nor un-constitutional if you amend the Constitution before you do it... note that that was the first bullet point

 

[2aguy]

Stupid, how?

Oh, and, it's nor un-constitutional if you amend the Constitution before you do it... note that that was the first bullet point

This is how....

Tweak the Constitution and Federal Law just enough to allow some reasonable controls on firearms

* Establish mandatory Federal standards that the States are obliged to follow

We already have all the laws we need.....the problem is the democrat party keeps releasing violent gun offenders no matter how many gun felonies and crimes they commit.

* Establish mandatory Federal databases for all owners, firearms, licenses, dealers, transactions and transfers, etc.

A mandatory data base is simply used by people like you to ban and confiscate guns once you have the power to do it. Data bases do not stop criminals who use straw buyers or steal their guns.

* Divide gun ownership into different classes - A,B,C,D, etc. - for different firearm categories, much driver's license categories

Stupid....we just have to keep the actual criminals who use guns for crimes locked up.....something that the democrat party refuses to do...if we just did that, our gun crime would dry up over night.

* Devise appropriate licensure, training and other relevant requirements for each category of firearms

The democrat party used Literacy Tests to deny blacks the ability to exercise their Right to vote. Currently, the democrats across the country are using each one of those things to deny normal, law abiding people the ability to own and carry guns. This is nothing more than a desire to use red tape to deny a Right.

* Devise vigorous background checks (including mental health history red-flag check), Red-Flag Seizure procedures, etc.

We already have background checks. In a country of over 350 million people only 12 people in 2022 committed mass public shootings.....and most of them passed background checks for their guns. Criminals, again, do not go through background checks, they use straw buyers or steal their guns. Straw buyers can pass any background check.

* No licenses are issued nor firearms sold or transferred without a Federal Approval No. for the activity in question

Giving the democrat party the ability to simply deny licenses is exactly what they are dreaming about.......

* Crucify (metaphorically, anyway) people who kill or maim others using firearms in the commission of a crime

We can already do that, but the democrat party refuses to do it. The criminals shooting people have been arrested over and over again, and been released over and over again by democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians. If we actually did stop the democrats from releasing these violent offenders who are doing 99% of all gun crime....our gun crime would drop about 99%....

 

[bripat9643]

* Tweak the Constitution and Federal Law just enough to allow some reasonable controls on firearms

* Establish mandatory Federal standards that the States are obliged to follow

* Establish mandatory Federal databases for all owners, firearms, licenses, dealers, transactions and transfers, etc.

* Divide gun ownership into different classes - A,B,C,D, etc. - for different firearm categories, much driver's license categories

* Devise appropriate licensure, training and other relevant requirements for each category of firearms

* Devise vigorous background checks (including mental health history red-flag check), Red-Flag Seizure procedures, etc.

* No licenses are issued nor firearms sold or transferred without a Federal Approval No. for the activity in question

* Crucify (metaphorically, anyway) people who kill or maim others using firearms in the commission of a crime

How is that different than abolishing the 2nd Amendment?

Go fuck yourself.