What ******* difference does it make?.....Apparently it is the policy of whomever operates the pool. And most likely ( day care centers and schools do this as well) for the safety of children.
The police are not required to explain anything to you until after they have completed their investigation. Collecting information such as the ID of the actor(s) is part of said investigation.
Interactions with police can be smooth and cordial, or acrimonious and hostile.
When street-camping in Santa Cruz one summer (wasn't homeless, had a home, just wasn't there for a while heh,) I was resting on some sort of metal cabinent with electrical utilities or something on a sidewalk early in the evening. Noticed a police car rolling slowly up the road some ways away shining his search light into the dark. Figuring he was looking for someone I stayed put. When he got to me he stopped and got out and I greeted him pleasant as can-be, "Hi! Who ya looking for?" to which he replied, "You." Flattered I responded, "Me? Well here I am." smiling. Asked my business to which I replied just resting a bit after walking around all day. Which was true. And he asked for my identification which I had. Ran the checks and whatever they do with it then gave it back. Then said someone called about someone loitering and I should get on my way to which I said ok. Then he left.
Instead of giving the officer lip or making a federal case out of it asserting my right to sit where I bloody want (which I do,) I complied and avoided a bad scene. Whole thing last maybe 2 mins.
I gotta think this situation at the pools could have been avoided by simply helping make an officer's day go as smoothly as possible without being a total dick. When you begin getting mouthy or saying "no" to an officer, they're thinking "disorderly conduct." And that's gonna be what results in your being placed in handcuffs 90% of the time.
Knowing is half the battle.
Interactions with police can be smooth and cordial, or acrimonious and hostile.
When street-camping in Santa Cruz one summer (wasn't homeless, had a home, just wasn't there for a while heh,) I was resting on some sort of metal cabinent with electrical utilities or something on a sidewalk early in the evening. Noticed a police car rolling slowly up the road some ways away shining his search light into the dark. Figuring he was looking for someone I stayed put. When he got to me he stopped and got out and I greeted him pleasant as can-be, "Hi! Who ya looking for?" to which he replied, "You." Flattered I responded, "Me? Well here I am." smiling. Asked my business to which I replied just resting a bit after walking around all day. Which was true. And he asked for my identification which I had. Ran the checks and whatever they do with it then gave it back. Then said someone called about someone loitering and I should get on my way to which I said ok. Then he left.
Instead of giving the officer lip or making a federal case out of it asserting my right to sit where I bloody want (which I do,) I complied and avoided a bad scene. Whole thing last maybe 2 mins.
I gotta think this situation at the pools could have been avoided by simply helping make an officer's day go as smoothly as possible without being a total dick. When you begin getting mouthy or saying "no" to an officer, they're thinking "disorderly conduct." And that's gonna be what results in your being placed in handcuffs 90% of the time.
Knowing is half the battle.
If a school yard bully demands your lunch money, just giving it to him will reduce your chances of having your butt kicked too. That doesn't mean the bully has the right to kick your butt if you don't give it to him.
Back to that?....No. you don't get to make your argument by bouncing all over the place.
You have a problem, son, and your way is not going to end it well for you. 'Why' at that point has nothing to do with it. Ask and follow up on 'why' after the fact.
Correct. Forgot that one....But that is probably rarely done because cuffing someone rarely makes a witness not hostile.
You are not the one at that moment who has the authority to decide that.
Interactions with police can be smooth and cordial, or acrimonious and hostile.
When street-camping in Santa Cruz one summer (wasn't homeless, had a home, just wasn't there for a while heh,) I was resting on some sort of metal cabinent with electrical utilities or something on a sidewalk early in the evening. Noticed a police car rolling slowly up the road some ways away shining his search light into the dark. Figuring he was looking for someone I stayed put. When he got to me he stopped and got out and I greeted him pleasant as can-be, "Hi! Who ya looking for?" to which he replied, "You." Flattered I responded, "Me? Well here I am." smiling. Asked my business to which I replied just resting a bit after walking around all day. Which was true. And he asked for my identification which I had. Ran the checks and whatever they do with it then gave it back. Then said someone called about someone loitering and I should get on my way to which I said ok. Then he left.
Instead of giving the officer lip or making a federal case out of it asserting my right to sit where I bloody want (which I do,) I complied and avoided a bad scene. Whole thing last maybe 2 mins.
I gotta think this situation at the pools could have been avoided by simply helping make an officer's day go as smoothly as possible without being a total dick. When you begin getting mouthy or saying "no" to an officer, they're thinking "disorderly conduct." And that's gonna be what results in your being placed in handcuffs 90% of the time.
Knowing is half the battle.
If a school yard bully demands your lunch money, just giving it to him will reduce your chances of having your butt kicked too. That doesn't mean the bully has the right to kick your butt if you don't give it to him.
Completely invalid comparison since the police DID have a right to ask this woman for ID
Interactions with police can be smooth and cordial, or acrimonious and hostile.
When street-camping in Santa Cruz one summer (wasn't homeless, had a home, just wasn't there for a while heh,) I was resting on some sort of metal cabinent with electrical utilities or something on a sidewalk early in the evening. Noticed a police car rolling slowly up the road some ways away shining his search light into the dark. Figuring he was looking for someone I stayed put. When he got to me he stopped and got out and I greeted him pleasant as can-be, "Hi! Who ya looking for?" to which he replied, "You." Flattered I responded, "Me? Well here I am." smiling. Asked my business to which I replied just resting a bit after walking around all day. Which was true. And he asked for my identification which I had. Ran the checks and whatever they do with it then gave it back. Then said someone called about someone loitering and I should get on my way to which I said ok. Then he left.
Instead of giving the officer lip or making a federal case out of it asserting my right to sit where I bloody want (which I do,) I complied and avoided a bad scene. Whole thing last maybe 2 mins.
I gotta think this situation at the pools could have been avoided by simply helping make an officer's day go as smoothly as possible without being a total dick. When you begin getting mouthy or saying "no" to an officer, they're thinking "disorderly conduct." And that's gonna be what results in your being placed in handcuffs 90% of the time.
Knowing is half the battle.
If a school yard bully demands your lunch money, just giving it to him will reduce your chances of having your butt kicked too. That doesn't mean the bully has the right to kick your butt if you don't give it to him.
Completely invalid comparison since the police DID have a right to ask this woman for ID
For walking in to get her kids? Why exactly was she required to show the ID? If that was an issue, the cop would have had to have a valid reason to request it.
Where did she have a "right" to not cooperate? STTAB is right on this, clearlyInteractions with police can be smooth and cordial, or acrimonious and hostile.
When street-camping in Santa Cruz one summer (wasn't homeless, had a home, just wasn't there for a while heh,) I was resting on some sort of metal cabinent with electrical utilities or something on a sidewalk early in the evening. Noticed a police car rolling slowly up the road some ways away shining his search light into the dark. Figuring he was looking for someone I stayed put. When he got to me he stopped and got out and I greeted him pleasant as can-be, "Hi! Who ya looking for?" to which he replied, "You." Flattered I responded, "Me? Well here I am." smiling. Asked my business to which I replied just resting a bit after walking around all day. Which was true. And he asked for my identification which I had. Ran the checks and whatever they do with it then gave it back. Then said someone called about someone loitering and I should get on my way to which I said ok. Then he left.
Instead of giving the officer lip or making a federal case out of it asserting my right to sit where I bloody want (which I do,) I complied and avoided a bad scene. Whole thing last maybe 2 mins.
I gotta think this situation at the pools could have been avoided by simply helping make an officer's day go as smoothly as possible without being a total dick. When you begin getting mouthy or saying "no" to an officer, they're thinking "disorderly conduct." And that's gonna be what results in your being placed in handcuffs 90% of the time.
Knowing is half the battle.
If a school yard bully demands your lunch money, just giving it to him will reduce your chances of having your butt kicked too. That doesn't mean the bully has the right to kick your butt if you don't give it to him.
Completely invalid comparison since the police DID have a right to ask this woman for ID
For walking in to get her kids? Why exactly was she required to show the ID? If that was an issue, the cop would have had to have a valid reason to request it.
Why can't you have an honest debate? Seriously
Read about the case and it is clear. The police were going to write her a citation and asked her for her ID and she REFUSED.
That's a matter of record.
And when the police right a citation, they have a right to ask you for ID, as opposed to merely asking you to identify yourself.
Thanks for the explanation. Yes, Brown was his own executioner. I don't think the boy would have obeyed him. They would have taken off running in different directions, I think. But that would have allowed some time for more cops to get involved. They knew who they were looking for and would have found them sooner than later.
It may not have made a difference but it's proven that the longer you give people to decide to resist or not the more likely they are to resist.
Interactions with police can be smooth and cordial, or acrimonious and hostile.
When street-camping in Santa Cruz one summer (wasn't homeless, had a home, just wasn't there for a while heh,) I was resting on some sort of metal cabinent with electrical utilities or something on a sidewalk early in the evening. Noticed a police car rolling slowly up the road some ways away shining his search light into the dark. Figuring he was looking for someone I stayed put. When he got to me he stopped and got out and I greeted him pleasant as can-be, "Hi! Who ya looking for?" to which he replied, "You." Flattered I responded, "Me? Well here I am." smiling. Asked my business to which I replied just resting a bit after walking around all day. Which was true. And he asked for my identification which I had. Ran the checks and whatever they do with it then gave it back. Then said someone called about someone loitering and I should get on my way to which I said ok. Then he left.
Instead of giving the officer lip or making a federal case out of it asserting my right to sit where I bloody want (which I do,) I complied and avoided a bad scene. Whole thing last maybe 2 mins.
I gotta think this situation at the pools could have been avoided by simply helping make an officer's day go as smoothly as possible without being a total dick. When you begin getting mouthy or saying "no" to an officer, they're thinking "disorderly conduct." And that's gonna be what results in your being placed in handcuffs 90% of the time.
Knowing is half the battle.
If a school yard bully demands your lunch money, just giving it to him will reduce your chances of having your butt kicked too. That doesn't mean the bully has the right to kick your butt if you don't give it to him.
Completely invalid comparison since the police DID have a right to ask this woman for ID
For walking in to get her kids? Why exactly was she required to show the ID? If that was an issue, the cop would have had to have a valid reason to request it.
Why can't you have an honest debate? Seriously
Read about the case and it is clear. The police were going to write her a citation and asked her for her ID and she REFUSED.
That's a matter of record.
And when the police writet a citation, they have a right to ask you for ID, as opposed to merely asking you to identify yourself.
Interactions with police can be smooth and cordial, or acrimonious and hostile.
When street-camping in Santa Cruz one summer (wasn't homeless, had a home, just wasn't there for a while heh,) I was resting on some sort of metal cabinent with electrical utilities or something on a sidewalk early in the evening. Noticed a police car rolling slowly up the road some ways away shining his search light into the dark. Figuring he was looking for someone I stayed put. When he got to me he stopped and got out and I greeted him pleasant as can-be, "Hi! Who ya looking for?" to which he replied, "You." Flattered I responded, "Me? Well here I am." smiling. Asked my business to which I replied just resting a bit after walking around all day. Which was true. And he asked for my identification which I had. Ran the checks and whatever they do with it then gave it back. Then said someone called about someone loitering and I should get on my way to which I said ok. Then he left.
Instead of giving the officer lip or making a federal case out of it asserting my right to sit where I bloody want (which I do,) I complied and avoided a bad scene. Whole thing last maybe 2 mins.
I gotta think this situation at the pools could have been avoided by simply helping make an officer's day go as smoothly as possible without being a total dick. When you begin getting mouthy or saying "no" to an officer, they're thinking "disorderly conduct." And that's gonna be what results in your being placed in handcuffs 90% of the time.
Knowing is half the battle.
If a school yard bully demands your lunch money, just giving it to him will reduce your chances of having your butt kicked too. That doesn't mean the bully has the right to kick your butt if you don't give it to him.
Completely invalid comparison since the police DID have a right to ask this woman for ID
For walking in to get her kids? Why exactly was she required to show the ID? If that was an issue, the cop would have had to have a valid reason to request it.
Why can't you have an honest debate? Seriously
Read about the case and it is clear. The police were going to write her a citation and asked her for her ID and she REFUSED.
That's a matter of record.
And when the police writet a citation, they have a right to ask you for ID, as opposed to merely asking you to identify yourself.
Sorry, but I went back and rewatch the video, and reread the link. They didn't say anything about any citation she was receiving. Obviously, she would have to produce an ID for that. What exactly were the citing her for, other than not showing ID?
