Comey "commits" two crimes

[bripat9643]

Writing a memo to yourself is not "documenting it.".

If the FBI director writes a memo, it becomes official government paperwork, and has to be retained, and if not "work product" , or "classified" is subject to FOIA.

Furthermore, where's the evidence that he informed anyone?

Face it: this talking point is thoroughly dead.

Comey didn't leak the memo. Which means somebody else saw it.

It may be "government paperwork," whatever the hell that is, but it doesn't equate to reporting the obstruction.

We don't even know if there is a memo at this point.

No banana, dumbass.

 

[bripat9643]

I will repeat. You don't know where the memo was sent so you can't say he did not report it.

We know Comey didn't leak the memo, so somebody leaked the memo, which means Comey gave it to somebody at the FBI or DOJ.

Comey stated, in congressional testimony, that he spoke about the event to several staff members. He never made a formal report.

There is no "formal report" for this.

Of course there is.

 

[Flash]

Comey's credibility on anything is pretty well shot when the asshole let Crooked Hillary off the hook for serious security breach crimes because of "lack of intent", which is the lamest excuse ever. To say that Crooked Hillary had no intent to commit a crime by setting up her own home server, handling classified material on it, lying about doing it and then deleting the incriminating emails doesn't even pass the snicker test.

He he is a despicable political hack and his other lies just show what a political tool he is. He is the scum in the swamp that Trump needed to get rid of.

It will be a hoot to watch him spin more lies and make more of a fool of himself in the Congressional hearing coming up. He must really be pissed at Trump for firing him so we get to hear a disgruntled former employee ***** about the boss that fired him.

I wonder if the old boy is getting any ***** nowadays. The rumors were that his wife was very upset with him last summer for doing the wrong thing by not holding Crooked Hillary accountable.

 

[theDoctorisIn]

You omitted 3. You document it (write a memo) and inform persons who are in legal authority at the FBI below you, who can investigate and prosecute.

A subordinate can not investigate this.. He must go up the chain of command not down it.

Now you're just making this up as you go along.

25 years of investigations.. Not hardly..

Let's take a comparative hypothetical situation, probably closer to your experience.

Let's say the Mayor of Smalltown USA hits some lean times, and decides to mug the Chief of Police in the City Hall parking lot.

Do you believe that the Chief is obligated to inform the Mayor that the Mayor committed a crime?

The law doesn't say the mayor Is required to report a mugging, moron.

Yeah, actually it does.

Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

18 U.S. Code § 4 - Misprision of felony

 

[PoliticalChic]

You omitted 3. You document it (write a memo) and inform persons who are in legal authority at the FBI below you, who can investigate and prosecute.

A subordinate can not investigate this.. He must go up the chain of command not down it.

Wrong. Subordinates were already investigating collusion between Trump associates and the Russians.

What's the crime?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I will repeat. You don't know where the memo was sent so you can't say he did not report it.

We know Comey didn't leak the memo, so somebody leaked the memo, which means Comey gave it to somebody at the FBI or DOJ.

Comey stated, in congressional testimony, that he spoke about the event to several staff members. He never made a formal report.

. Comey Says He Was Never Pressured By Anyone To Stop Investigations

 

[Dragonlady]

Infowars is a fake news site. Just an FYI.

Do you always trash the messenger when you can't refute the message?





Harry Reid says Comey ‘may have broken the law’ by disclosing new Clinton-related emails...

There is little point in refuting lies, half truths and misinformation.

 

[Wyatt earp]

Infowars is a fake news site. Just an FYI.

Do you always trash the messenger when you can't refute the message?





Harry Reid says Comey ‘may have broken the law’ by disclosing new Clinton-related emails...

There is little point in refuting lies, half truths and misinformation.

So now comry is your best friend?




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[Billy_Bob]

I will repeat. You don't know where the memo was sent so you can't say he did not report it.

We know Comey didn't leak the memo, so somebody leaked the memo, which means Comey gave it to somebody at the FBI or DOJ.

Comey stated, in congressional testimony, that he spoke about the event to several staff members. He never made a formal report.

. Comey Says He Was Never Pressured By Anyone To Stop Investigations

By Comey's own admission he did not perceive any threat or any attempt to intervene. No crime committed. End of story.

Testimony under oath, prior to being terminated with cause.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Infowars is a fake news site. Just an FYI.

Do you always trash the messenger when you can't refute the message?





Harry Reid says Comey ‘may have broken the law’ by disclosing new Clinton-related emails...

There is little point in refuting lies, half truths and misinformation.

"There is little point in refuting lies, half truths and misinformation."

Does this suggest that you will no longer post same?


I'm sure you will be missed.....by someone.....

 

[Billy_Bob]

He is under no obligation to report anything to the the JD

WRONG! The law is the law and he is required to by the law.. Failing to report this at the time of incident (or shortly thereafter) is a crime. So he either perjured himself or he broke the law... Which is it?

The law is the law.

Do you actually know the law in question, or did you just hear someone on the radio tell you what the law is?

Comey is required, by federal statute, to report any 'interference in' or 'request to stop' an ongoing investigation to his superiors. Those superiors would be the DOJ chief or his assistant.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RL34303.pdf


"Obstruction by Intimidation, Threats, Persuasion, or Deception (18 U.S.C. 1512(b) The second group of offenses within §1512 outlaws obstruction of federal congressional, judicial, or administrative activities by intimidation, threat, corrupt persuasion, or deception, 18 U.S.C. 1512(b). Parsed to its elements, subsection 1512(b) provides that: I. Whoever II. knowingly A. uses intimidation B. threatens, or C. corruptly persuades another person, or D. attempts to do so, or E. 1. engages in misleading conduct60 2. toward another person, III. with intent to A. 1. a. influence, b. delay, orc. prevent 2. the testimony of any person 3. in an official proceeding,61 or B. cause or induce any person to 1. a. i. withhold testimony, or ii. withhold a (I) record, (II) document, or (III) other object, b. from an official proceeding, or 2. a. i. alter, ii. destroy, iii. mutilate, or iv. conceal b. an object c. with intent to impair d. the object’s i. integrity or ii. availability for use e. in an official proceeding, or 3. a. evade b. legal process c. summoning that person i. to appear as a witness, or ii. to produce a (I) record, (II) document, or (III) other object, iii. in an official proceeding, i.e., a (I) federal court proceeding, (II) federal grand jury proceeding, (III) Congressional proceeding, (IV) federal agency proceeding, or (V) proceeding involving the insurance business; or 4. a. be absent b. from an official proceeding, c. to which such person has been summoned by legal process; or C. 1. a. hinder, b. delay, or c. prevent 2. the communication to a a. federal judge or b. federal law enforcement officer62 3. of information relating to the a. commission or b. possible commission of a 4. a. federal offense or b. [a] violation of conditions of i. probation, ii. supervisor release, iii. parole, or iv. release pending judicial proceedings; shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 20 years, or both.63 In more general terms, subsection 1512(b) bans (1) knowingly, (2) using one of the prohibited forms of persuasion (intimidation, threat, misleading or corrupt persuasion), (3)(a) with the intent to prevent a witness’s testimony or physical evidence from being truthfully presented at official federal proceedings or (b) with the intent to prevent a witness from cooperating with authorities in a matter relating to a federal offense.64 It also bans any attempt to so intimidate, threaten, or corruptly persuade. 65 The term “corruptly” in the phrase “corruptly persuades” as it appears in subsection 1512(b) has been found to refer to the manner of persuasion,66 the motive for persuasion,67 and the manner of obstruction.68"

Then we have departmental regulations which implicitly directs what shall be done..

You're certainly making a strong case that Trump is guilty of Obstruction - but there's nothing in there that says the Director of the FBI has to report anything to his "superiors".

18 USC 4
Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.​

Comey, at the time, was himself such an individual -- "person in civil or military authority under the United States" -- as stipulated in 18 USC 4. Making case notes (the memo (and others like it) of which we've heard) constitutes such notice having been made. The investigators who would make use of and examine the pertinent particulars the memo(s) relates has been underway since last year. A careful reader will note too that 18 USC 4 does not stipulate that any such notification be made public before, during or after any related investigation into the matter occurs.

You can't report a crime to yourself, you ******* idiot.

You omitted 3. You document it (write a memo) and inform persons who are in legal authority at the FBI below you, who can investigate and prosecute.

A subordinate can not investigate this.. He must go up the chain of command not down it.

Now you're just making this up as you go along.

25 years of investigations.. Not hardly..

Let's take a comparative hypothetical situation, probably closer to your experience.

Let's say the Mayor of Smalltown USA hits some lean times, and decides to mug the Chief of Police in the City Hall parking lot.

Do you believe that the Chief is obligated to inform the Mayor that the Mayor committed a crime?

The law doesn't say the mayor Is required to report a mugging, moron.

They just don't get it. There is a chain of custody in evidenciary proceedings, which is what reporting a crime is.

 

[Flopper]

Or

2. You inform the persons who are in legal authority above you who can investigate and prosecute.

You omitted 3. You document it (write a memo) and inform persons who are in legal authority at the FBI below you, who can investigate and prosecute.

A subordinate can not investigate this.. He must go up the chain of command not down it.

Now you're just making this up as you go along.

25 years of investigations.. Not hardly..

Let's take a comparative hypothetical situation, probably closer to your experience.

Let's say the Mayor of Smalltown USA hits some lean times, and decides to mug the Chief of Police in the City Hall parking lot.

Do you believe that the Chief is obligated to inform the Mayor that the Mayor committed a crime?

As every policemen knows, if in doubt, write a report which is what Comey did. He obviously shared the memo with others in the FBI or we would not be discussing it now. Comey has agreed to testify publicly before Congress after the Memorial Day break. We will probably get details about the memo but don't expect Comey to do a tell all since this memo may be part of an open investigation.

 

[Zander]

Applying the new journalistic integrity standards that allow whispers, anonymous sources, and messages scrawled on bus stop benches.....

BREAKING NEWS!!!! VERY TRUE BREAKING NEWS!!!

TRUMP!!! EXONERATED!!!

BREAKING NEWS!!!! VERY TRUE!!!

​

(FNN) Trump exonerated!! A highly placed anonymous source at the FBI has confirmed he is 100% exonerated. There is no evidence of any collusion or wrong doing. The highly reliable and very believable source has also confirmed that the entire "Russian Narrative" was all 100% FAKE NEWS designed to weaken Trumps Presidency. LWNJ's across the country are now in a deep state of mourning. Al Gore and Maxine Waters are holding a funeral service for AGW and the fake Russian investigation. LWNJ dreams of "impeachment" have been flushed down the toilet along with their reputations. . America is great again!

 

[Flopper]

You omitted 3. You document it (write a memo) and inform persons who are in legal authority at the FBI below you, who can investigate and prosecute.

A subordinate can not investigate this.. He must go up the chain of command not down it.

Wrong. Subordinates were already investigating collusion between Trump associates and the Russians.

What's the crime?

That's a good question. The request that Trump made to Comey could be evidence of obstruction in a larger context, that is there would have to be more evidence than that to prove obstruction.

 

[Flopper]

I will repeat. You don't know where the memo was sent so you can't say he did not report it.

We know Comey didn't leak the memo, so somebody leaked the memo, which means Comey gave it to somebody at the FBI or DOJ.

Comey stated, in congressional testimony, that he spoke about the event to several staff members. He never made a formal report.

. Comey Says He Was Never Pressured By Anyone To Stop Investigations

No.
The Senator's was asking a hypothetical question about the Justice Dept., "So if senior officials in the Dept of Justice oppose a certain investigation, could they halt that investigation?

Comey's reply was, "Yes, in theory.
The Senator then asked, "Has it ever happened?"
Comey said, "No, not in my experience" Comey went on to give his reasoning why.

Clearly, Comey is addressing a hypothetical question as to whether the Justice Dept could stop and investigation. Trump or other White House officials were never mentioned, just the Dept of Justice. He was not asked about being pressured and he did make any statement about it his answers.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You omitted 3. You document it (write a memo) and inform persons who are in legal authority at the FBI below you, who can investigate and prosecute.

A subordinate can not investigate this.. He must go up the chain of command not down it.

Wrong. Subordinates were already investigating collusion between Trump associates and the Russians.

What's the crime?

That's a good question. The request that Trump made to Comey could be evidence of obstruction in a larger context, that is there would have to more evidence than that to prove obstruction.

You omitted 3. You document it (write a memo) and inform persons who are in legal authority at the FBI below you, who can investigate and prosecute.

A subordinate can not investigate this.. He must go up the chain of command not down it.

Wrong. Subordinates were already investigating collusion between Trump associates and the Russians.

What's the crime?

That's a good question. The request that Trump made to Comey could be evidence of obstruction in a larger context, that is there would have to be more evidence than that to prove obstruction.

OMG!!!!


Did you ever go to school????
Read a book????


You dunce....it is not possible for either Obama or Trump being guilty of obstruction of justice in telling their subordinates how to proceed or not to proceed.
It is their constitutional and statutory right.

Thomas Jefferson did exactly that in ordering his attorney general to prosecute Aaron Burr. He even called the Chief Justice, John Marshall and threatened to have him impeached if he didn't convict Burr.


You're a government school grad, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I will repeat. You don't know where the memo was sent so you can't say he did not report it.

We know Comey didn't leak the memo, so somebody leaked the memo, which means Comey gave it to somebody at the FBI or DOJ.

Comey stated, in congressional testimony, that he spoke about the event to several staff members. He never made a formal report.

. Comey Says He Was Never Pressured By Anyone To Stop Investigations

No.
The Senator's was asking a hypothetical question about the Justice Dept., "So if senior officials in the Dept of Justice oppose a certain investigation, could they halt that investigation?

Comey's reply was, "Yes, in theory.
The Senator then asked, "Has it ever happened?"
Comey said, "No, not in my experience" Comey went on to give his reasoning why.

Clearly, Comey is addressing a hypothetical question as to whether the Justice Dept could stop and investigation. Trump or other White House officials were never mentioned, just the Dept of Justice. He was not asked about being pressured and he did make any statement about it his answers.

No he wasn't.

He said clearly that it never happened.


NEVER HAPPENED.


Go back to sleep, where you can engage in wish-fulfillment.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I will repeat. You don't know where the memo was sent so you can't say he did not report it.

We know Comey didn't leak the memo, so somebody leaked the memo, which means Comey gave it to somebody at the FBI or DOJ.

Comey stated, in congressional testimony, that he spoke about the event to several staff members. He never made a formal report.

. Comey Says He Was Never Pressured By Anyone To Stop Investigations

No.
The Senator's was asking a hypothetical question about the Justice Dept., "So if senior officials in the Dept of Justice oppose a certain investigation, could they halt that investigation?

Comey's reply was, "Yes, in theory.
The Senator then asked, "Has it ever happened?"
Comey said, "No, not in my experience" Comey went on to give his reasoning why.

Clearly, Comey is addressing a hypothetical question as to whether the Justice Dept could stop and investigation. Trump or other White House officials were never mentioned, just the Dept of Justice. He was not asked about being pressured and he did make any statement about it his answers.

Quote:
"Has it ever happened?"

"NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE"


Now just stop lying.

 

[Flopper]

You omitted 3. You document it (write a memo) and inform persons who are in legal authority at the FBI below you, who can investigate and prosecute.

A subordinate can not investigate this.. He must go up the chain of command not down it.

Wrong. Subordinates were already investigating collusion between Trump associates and the Russians.

What's the crime?

That's a good question. The request that Trump made to Comey could be evidence of obstruction in a larger context, that is there would have to more evidence than that to prove obstruction.

You omitted 3. You document it (write a memo) and inform persons who are in legal authority at the FBI below you, who can investigate and prosecute.

A subordinate can not investigate this.. He must go up the chain of command not down it.

Wrong. Subordinates were already investigating collusion between Trump associates and the Russians.

What's the crime?

That's a good question. The request that Trump made to Comey could be evidence of obstruction in a larger context, that is there would have to be more evidence than that to prove obstruction.

OMG!!!!


Did you ever go to school????
Read a book????


You dunce....it is not possible for either Obama or Trump being guilty of obstruction of justice in telling their subordinates how to proceed or not to proceed.
It is their constitutional and statutory right.

Thomas Jefferson did exactly that in ordering his attorney general to prosecute Aaron Burr. He even called the Chief Justice, John Marshall and threatened to have him impeached if he didn't convict Burr.


You're a government school grad, huh?

Not so.
The House of Representatives voted to impeach Nixon for obstruction of justice, abuse of power, criminal cover-up and several violations of the Constitution. The federal obstruction of justice statues did not even exist in 1800.

 

[PoliticalChic]

A subordinate can not investigate this.. He must go up the chain of command not down it.

Wrong. Subordinates were already investigating collusion between Trump associates and the Russians.

What's the crime?

That's a good question. The request that Trump made to Comey could be evidence of obstruction in a larger context, that is there would have to more evidence than that to prove obstruction.

A subordinate can not investigate this.. He must go up the chain of command not down it.

Wrong. Subordinates were already investigating collusion between Trump associates and the Russians.

What's the crime?

That's a good question. The request that Trump made to Comey could be evidence of obstruction in a larger context, that is there would have to be more evidence than that to prove obstruction.

OMG!!!!


Did you ever go to school????
Read a book????


You dunce....it is not possible for either Obama or Trump being guilty of obstruction of justice in telling their subordinates how to proceed or not to proceed.
It is their constitutional and statutory right.

Thomas Jefferson did exactly that in ordering his attorney general to prosecute Aaron Burr. He even called the Chief Justice, John Marshall and threatened to have him impeached if he didn't convict Burr.


You're a government school grad, huh?

Not so.
The House of Representatives voted to impeach Nixon for obstruction of justice, abuse of power, criminal cover-up and several violations of the Constitution. The federal obstruction of justice statues did not even exist in 1800.

Let's look into the two vastly different situations: