Colorado judge strikes down AR-15 ban, and over 10 round magazine ban....good.

[August West]

It's gun control. Criminals are only controlled when in jail or prison. You pretend to be pro-gun, and support the 2nd Amendment but you're clearly anti-2nd-Amendment. If the old gun laws work then certainly more must work. All we need to do is create them and enforce them - and call it criminal control.

Read the links.

Project exile put criminals in federal prisons for breaking federal gun laws. There were no new gun laws passed.

And you're a ******* idiot if you think I am not pro 2nd amendment. And FYI I have not once supported new gun laws because the federal gun laws we already have on the books are adequate.

The Federal gun laws we have on the books are gun control and in violation of the 2nd Amendment and you openly support them and you've just stated that gun control, if enforced, works. You're a gun controller. Oh, sure, you're pro-gun, but you're certainly NOT pro-2nd-Amendment. You're an idiot if you think I'm going to fall for your lies.

You support gun control. In fact, you want existing gun control enforced. That you haven't yet openly supported new infringements on the right to keep and bear arms does not, in any way, alter the fact that you openly admit that you support the current infringements on the right to keep and bear arms.

If you don't see the hypocrisy in what you're saying, if you can't see that, in your heart, you support gun control, you're the idiot. You support the gun control you like and object to the controls you don't like. You can't have it both ways, though, the 2nd Amendment doesn't allow for some infringements. You're a gun controller; you're just in denial.

I have no problem denying felons their right to bear arms. I have no problem denying people who obtain guns via illegal means their right to bear arms.

With rights come responsibilities.

You might want every excon to be able to buy a gun as he walks out of the door of prison I think it's a bad idea.

The ex con only needs to open up a few car doors and he`ll have a gun. 12 irresponsible gun owners gave guns to criminals in just one week in Nashville.
Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week | News | wsmv.com

 

[JoeB131]

you'll never admit that we lock up the wrong people will you?

60% of people in jails right now are not convicted of any crime, and we lock up people for nonviolent drug offenses and property damage more than we lock up the violent criminals that are actually the danger to society.

And when Chicago proposed non-cash bails for non-violent offenders, the Police Unions screamed bloody murder.

I agree we lock up people for non-violent offenses.

MERE gun possession is a non-violent offense.

 

[Blues Man]

you'll never admit that we lock up the wrong people will you?

60% of people in jails right now are not convicted of any crime, and we lock up people for nonviolent drug offenses and property damage more than we lock up the violent criminals that are actually the danger to society.

And when Chicago proposed non-cash bails for non-violent offenders, the Police Unions screamed bloody murder.

I agree we lock up people for non-violent offenses.

MERE gun possession is a non-violent offense.

Illegal gun possession is a federal crime punishable by a 5 year sentence in federal prison.

When that law is enforced, crime rates drop, the murder rate drops but you don't want to enforce that law. Why is that?

 

[Blues Man]

It's gun control. Criminals are only controlled when in jail or prison. You pretend to be pro-gun, and support the 2nd Amendment but you're clearly anti-2nd-Amendment. If the old gun laws work then certainly more must work. All we need to do is create them and enforce them - and call it criminal control.

Read the links.

Project exile put criminals in federal prisons for breaking federal gun laws. There were no new gun laws passed.

And you're a ******* idiot if you think I am not pro 2nd amendment. And FYI I have not once supported new gun laws because the federal gun laws we already have on the books are adequate.

The Federal gun laws we have on the books are gun control and in violation of the 2nd Amendment and you openly support them and you've just stated that gun control, if enforced, works. You're a gun controller. Oh, sure, you're pro-gun, but you're certainly NOT pro-2nd-Amendment. You're an idiot if you think I'm going to fall for your lies.

You support gun control. In fact, you want existing gun control enforced. That you haven't yet openly supported new infringements on the right to keep and bear arms does not, in any way, alter the fact that you openly admit that you support the current infringements on the right to keep and bear arms.

If you don't see the hypocrisy in what you're saying, if you can't see that, in your heart, you support gun control, you're the idiot. You support the gun control you like and object to the controls you don't like. You can't have it both ways, though, the 2nd Amendment doesn't allow for some infringements. You're a gun controller; you're just in denial.

I have no problem denying felons their right to bear arms. I have no problem denying people who obtain guns via illegal means their right to bear arms.

With rights come responsibilities.

You might want every excon to be able to buy a gun as he walks out of the door of prison I think it's a bad idea.

The ex con only needs to open up a few car doors and he`ll have a gun. 12 irresponsible gun owners gave guns to criminals in just one week in Nashville.
Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week | News | wsmv.com

So now the victims of a crime are responsible for that crime right?

 

[August West]

It's gun control. Criminals are only controlled when in jail or prison. You pretend to be pro-gun, and support the 2nd Amendment but you're clearly anti-2nd-Amendment. If the old gun laws work then certainly more must work. All we need to do is create them and enforce them - and call it criminal control.

Read the links.

Project exile put criminals in federal prisons for breaking federal gun laws. There were no new gun laws passed.

And you're a ******* idiot if you think I am not pro 2nd amendment. And FYI I have not once supported new gun laws because the federal gun laws we already have on the books are adequate.

The Federal gun laws we have on the books are gun control and in violation of the 2nd Amendment and you openly support them and you've just stated that gun control, if enforced, works. You're a gun controller. Oh, sure, you're pro-gun, but you're certainly NOT pro-2nd-Amendment. You're an idiot if you think I'm going to fall for your lies.

You support gun control. In fact, you want existing gun control enforced. That you haven't yet openly supported new infringements on the right to keep and bear arms does not, in any way, alter the fact that you openly admit that you support the current infringements on the right to keep and bear arms.

If you don't see the hypocrisy in what you're saying, if you can't see that, in your heart, you support gun control, you're the idiot. You support the gun control you like and object to the controls you don't like. You can't have it both ways, though, the 2nd Amendment doesn't allow for some infringements. You're a gun controller; you're just in denial.

I have no problem denying felons their right to bear arms. I have no problem denying people who obtain guns via illegal means their right to bear arms.

With rights come responsibilities.

You might want every excon to be able to buy a gun as he walks out of the door of prison I think it's a bad idea.

The ex con only needs to open up a few car doors and he`ll have a gun. 12 irresponsible gun owners gave guns to criminals in just one week in Nashville.
Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week | News | wsmv.com

So now the victims of a crime are responsible for that crime right?

If the gun owner doesn`t care enough about his gun to secure it, he has no business having one but I wouldn`t charge him/her with a crime. Why leave a gun in your car overnight? It can`t protect the car. The idiots that are caught trying to take a gun on an airplane should lose their gun rights for at least 10 years. 10 days in jail with work release and a minimum $10,000 fine. would be nice too. I like the number 10 for first offense.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

And when Chicago proposed non-cash bails for non-violent offenders, the Police Unions screamed bloody murder.

I agree we lock up people for non-violent offenses.

MERE gun possession is a non-violent offense.

Then don't complain when some hot head not supposed to be carrying a gun takes it out and kills somebody. You are in this forum complaining about crimes committed with guns all the time, but you want to blame the guns instead of the people who use them.

Our stance is just the opposite. You punish the bad people with the guns, while you on the left want to punish all people good and bad for the actions of a few.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

The ex con only needs to open up a few car doors and he`ll have a gun. 12 irresponsible gun owners gave guns to criminals in just one week in Nashville.
Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week | News | wsmv.com

What the story says is that 5 of the guns stolen were in unlocked cars. That means the other 7 were locked and broken into. Those people no more "gave a felon" their gun than they did if the felon broke into their homes and stole jewelry and money.

While I admit those with the unlocked cars were not caring and pretty irresponsible, I say we change the law to a 15 year minimum prison sentence for each gun a person steals whether the car is locked or not. That's how you solve the problem; not by punishing the victim.

 

[Blues Man]

It's gun control. Criminals are only controlled when in jail or prison. You pretend to be pro-gun, and support the 2nd Amendment but you're clearly anti-2nd-Amendment. If the old gun laws work then certainly more must work. All we need to do is create them and enforce them - and call it criminal control.

Read the links.

Project exile put criminals in federal prisons for breaking federal gun laws. There were no new gun laws passed.

And you're a ******* idiot if you think I am not pro 2nd amendment. And FYI I have not once supported new gun laws because the federal gun laws we already have on the books are adequate.

The Federal gun laws we have on the books are gun control and in violation of the 2nd Amendment and you openly support them and you've just stated that gun control, if enforced, works. You're a gun controller. Oh, sure, you're pro-gun, but you're certainly NOT pro-2nd-Amendment. You're an idiot if you think I'm going to fall for your lies.

You support gun control. In fact, you want existing gun control enforced. That you haven't yet openly supported new infringements on the right to keep and bear arms does not, in any way, alter the fact that you openly admit that you support the current infringements on the right to keep and bear arms.

If you don't see the hypocrisy in what you're saying, if you can't see that, in your heart, you support gun control, you're the idiot. You support the gun control you like and object to the controls you don't like. You can't have it both ways, though, the 2nd Amendment doesn't allow for some infringements. You're a gun controller; you're just in denial.

I have no problem denying felons their right to bear arms. I have no problem denying people who obtain guns via illegal means their right to bear arms.

With rights come responsibilities.

You might want every excon to be able to buy a gun as he walks out of the door of prison I think it's a bad idea.

The ex con only needs to open up a few car doors and he`ll have a gun. 12 irresponsible gun owners gave guns to criminals in just one week in Nashville.
Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week | News | wsmv.com

So now the victims of a crime are responsible for that crime right?

If the gun owner doesn`t care enough about his gun to secure it, he has no business having one but I wouldn`t charge him/her with a crime. Why leave a gun in your car overnight? It can`t protect the car. The idiots that are caught trying to take a gun on an airplane should lose their gun rights for at least 10 years. 10 days in jail with work release and a minimum $10,000 fine. would be nice too. I like the number 10 for first offense.

You do realize if the gun is in a locked car that it is secured don't you?

If a gun is in a locked house it is secured as well.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I`ve never known a woman who lived in constant fear of being helplessly raped and murdered. Is this your wife you`re describing?

Actually most women live in fear the rest of their lives after suffering the mental and physical trauma of something like being raped or attempted rape. Before people were allowed to carry in most states, all a woman could do is sit home in the corner and only leave the house without fear when accompanied by a male companion. Do you think that 65 year old lady in NYC that was brutally attacked by that animal won't live in fear the rest of her life? Unfortunately she lives in a commie city and state and would not be able to get a license to carry a firearm.

A few years ago I read a story that our state had more female CCW applicants than male. I say good for them. Nobody male or female should have to live in fear or allow their lives to be ruined because they were a helpless victim.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Guns have a lot of their deterrent effect by simply being present, or by the mere possibility that they MIGHT be present. This is why mass shootings invariably take place in "gun free zones".

Bingo!

When our state was considering a CCW program, I was a member of the former blog Topix discussing the subject with other people in my state. An opponent of the law asked me why I'd like to see the program passed. I told him my mother is 73 years old, never drove a car in her life, and likes to walk to places like stores and church. He asked me if the law was passed, would my elderly mother pack a gun with her? I told him no she wouldn't, but the criminal doesn't know that.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I prefer to make it look like the "champions of women's rights" are demanding that women live in constant fear and danger of being helplessly raped and murdered. Since, y'know, that actually IS what they're doing.

I couldn't agree more, but women will not ban together to make it a women's issue like they did in the 70's during the women's lib movement. Back then women held rallies taking their bras off and burning them. I don't think you'd ever see anything like that today, but if they did, boy would that put Democrats in a terrible position.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I gotta say, I'm with Freya on this: you could get Democrats to sign that deal in blood, and I STILL wouldn't trust them to leave it alone. Also, I'm not even remotely willing to leave even one small aspect of my decisions on protecting myself up to them. My safety is not an issue to be decided by committee, because I'M the only one who's going to have to live with the results.

I'm not a gun enthusiast, or a hunter, or any of those other things. My perspective is that of a woman who once had her life threatened by a murderer on a dark street, with no help anywhere in sight, and got away only by the grace of God. I don't have any of the fancy stats, or encyclopedic knowledge of various types, or categorical memorization of laws in different states. I know how to put a bullet where I aim it. I also know this: I will never have to depend on only the grace of God to get away safely ever, ever again. And it's not up for compromise.

You, I, and anybody that's pro-gun knows the Democrats would never sign anything like that. It would only be a dog and pony show to demonstrate to the public that smaller magazines is just one stepping stone to their ultimate goal of a disarmed public. In other words, to show people they would never stop at smaller magazines and be happy with that.

So we don't compromise, but make it look like we are trying to compromise and they are refusing to meet us half-way.

I prefer to make it look like the "champions of women's rights" are demanding that women live in constant fear and danger of being helplessly raped and murdered. Since, y'know, that actually IS what they're doing.

I`ve never known a woman who lived in constant fear of being helplessly raped and murdered. Is this your wife you`re describing?

Do you know a lot of men named Cecilie? Or are you trying to accuse me of being a lesbian? Did you not read the prior posts before presuming to "respond" to them?

 

[August West]

The ex con only needs to open up a few car doors and he`ll have a gun. 12 irresponsible gun owners gave guns to criminals in just one week in Nashville.
Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week | News | wsmv.com

What the story says is that 5 of the guns stolen were in unlocked cars. That means the other 7 were locked and broken into. Those people no more "gave a felon" their gun than they did if the felon broke into their homes and stole jewelry and money.

While I admit those with the unlocked cars were not caring and pretty irresponsible, I say we change the law to a 15 year minimum prison sentence for each gun a person steals whether the car is locked or not. That's how you solve the problem; not by punishing the victim.

Why does a gun need to be left in the car overnight? Do they not know that locked cars get broken into every day?

 

[Blues Man]

The ex con only needs to open up a few car doors and he`ll have a gun. 12 irresponsible gun owners gave guns to criminals in just one week in Nashville.
Metro Police: 12 guns stolen from vehicles last week | News | wsmv.com

What the story says is that 5 of the guns stolen were in unlocked cars. That means the other 7 were locked and broken into. Those people no more "gave a felon" their gun than they did if the felon broke into their homes and stole jewelry and money.

While I admit those with the unlocked cars were not caring and pretty irresponsible, I say we change the law to a 15 year minimum prison sentence for each gun a person steals whether the car is locked or not. That's how you solve the problem; not by punishing the victim.

Why does a gun need to be left in the car overnight? Do they not know that locked cars get broken into every day?

The operative word is locked.

It is not the owner of the car that is at fault if some piece of shit breaks into his LOCKED car.

I suppose you think women who get raped are "asking for it" too right?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why does a gun need to be left in the car overnight? Do they not know that locked cars get broken into every day?

When you carry a gun, it's easy to do. At first you are extremely conscious of it, but after a while it gets to be like anything else. People lock themselves out of their house and car all the time. You leave home forgetting your wallet or phone and have to turn back. After a while it just becomes and unconscious action like anything else.

 

[woodwork201]

Children have no gun rights

Where does it say that? Do not children have the right to defend themselves? It happens many times that a child is forced to use a gun to protect themselves and their siblings.

Just like telling children their grounded without having a trial with jury by their peers and an attorney to represent them, parents have the right to limit the child's possession or ownership but government does not. For the first 179 years of this country it was perfectly legal for a child to buy a gun. Most parents (remember when parents actually had control of their children?) didn't allow it. Most gun shops wouldn't sell to a child, either, but doesn't mean that a child does not have the right to defend their own life and the life of others where they're able. The right to keep and bear arms stems from that right and other rights that we as adults, and children, too, enjoy.

In fact, there's no Federal restriction on minors buying a rifle at any age, in a private sale. The only Federal restriction is on licensed gun dealers selling a long gun to someone under 18 and a handgun to someone under 21. It is also illegal, separately, for someone under the age of 18 to buy or possess a handgun so minors can't legally buy a handgun even privately.

1960s Unrest Was The Impetus For The First Gun Age Limits | HISTORY

You have to be 21 to buy a handgun at a store, but only 18 to get one at a gun show.

www.history.com

 

[woodwork201]

I have no problem denying felons their right to bear arms. I have no problem denying people who obtain guns via illegal means their right to bear arms.

With rights come responsibilities.

You might want every excon to be able to buy a gun as he walks out of the door of prison I think it's a bad idea.

You're entitled to your opinion and there are certainly some good arguments to be made in support of it. Even so, the Constitution doesn't permit it and your support of it with the current state of the Constitution means you are neither a constitutionalist nor a supporter of the 2nd Amendment.

Like Handgun Control, Inc (HCI), you're a gun controller and support violations of the Constitution and infringements on the right to keep and bear arms. The only difference between you and them is in which gun control measures you support.

 

[woodwork201]

The SC Heller decision said we can regulate guns and that`s why you won`t see a gun vending machine in our schools. These unfortunate children are having their rights infringed.

Unfortunately, the Constitution says you can't regulate them in any way that infringes on the right to keep and bear arms. Allowable regulation might be something like requiring gun manufacturers to meet SAAMI pressure standards. Telling a wife she can't have a gun in the house because her husband was convicted, served his time, and released from prison for felony littering is not what the Founders intended.

The Supreme Court was wrong and, I believe, they knew they were wrong. They just didn't have the political fortitude to do the right thing so they narrowly ruled on Heller and left all sorts of commentary to make sure Heller didn't get used to advance any further restorations of the right to keep and bear arms.

 

[woodwork201]

Why does a gun need to be left in the car overnight? Do they not know that locked cars get broken into every day?

So do homes. So do gunshops.

 

[woodwork201]

Why does a gun need to be left in the car overnight? Do they not know that locked cars get broken into every day?

When you carry a gun, it's easy to do. At first you are extremely conscious of it, but after a while it gets to be like anything else. People lock themselves out of their house and car all the time. You leave home forgetting your wallet or phone and have to turn back. After a while it just becomes and unconscious action like anything else.

I came home sick, very sick, one day from work and forgot to lock my car. In the morning, I found my handgun had been stolen. Was it carelessness? August West might or others might say so. When people are sick they're not working or thinking to capacity. Still, it was the fault of the thief who stole the gun.

I called the local police and they didn't want to even take a report. When I insisted, they agreed I could go to the station and fill out a report.