Colorado judge strikes down AR-15 ban, and over 10 round magazine ban....good.

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's why idiots like Joe continually trot out bogus numbers trying to make the new shooters think there is something wrong with them.

Fascists like Joe don't ever tell the truth because the truth undermines everything they claim.

In their minds, if you have a hobby you enjoy, that makes you a nut. Well why aren't people who love sports considered nuts, or people who go to movies constantly, or people who collect coins and have several cars?

This is one of the biggest differences between conservatives and liberals. If a conservative doesn't like something, they will not participate in it. If a liberal doesn't like something, nobody else should like it either.

 

[SavannahMann]

Thank you for verifying that I am correct about the AR Cult being real. But the Sane have all but removed the cult. We don't have to ban the weapon, just regulate it enough that the Cult dies off. What a shock to your system.

No, what we really need to do is way up the penalties for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. 25 years minimum for armed robbery using a gun is a nice place to start. All premeditated murders using a gun an instant death penalty is another. 10 years minimum for felon carrying a concealed weapon.

This is what we need to do. But the Democrats are not going after the bad guys with a gun, they are going after the good guys with a gun instead.

There is oonly a fraction of a second between a law abiding citizen with a gun and a criminal with a gun. And that is what "Regulation" is all about.

Good gosh you are full of shit. There is an enormous gulf between a good guy with a gun, and a criminal. If there weren't all of you idiots would have been killed long ago, along with all the other Americans out there.

There are more guns than people, you moronic twit. Guns aren't the problem. Never have been. It's evil people who are constantly allowed out of prison to prey on defenseless people.

Do you not find it weird that gangbangers regularly do less than 5 years in prison for murdering people?

If you really wanted to reduce crime you would address that fact.

But you don't because you don't give a shit about reducing crime. It's all about power with you fascists.

Oh good. We are going to deal with facts? Great. Tell me why Norway has a Recidivism rate that is about 20 percent while our rate is nearly double that. Tell me why we have one of the highest prison populations in the world. Our tough on crime bullshit doesn’t seem to be paying rewards, unless you are in the business of building prisons that is.

Because of CULTURE. Norway is a homogenous society. There are twice as many illegal aliens in the USA as there are people in all of Norway.

Most of the illegals are OK folks, but, a very small minority of them are extremely violent. More violent by far, than the people born and raised here.

Why do you ignore that very simple fact?

Norway had one of the worst mass shootings in history. If that isn’t violent I don’t know what is.

But even as I pointed out that Norway has a 20% Recidivism Rate. They aren’t perfect. Nobody is. So why reject something that evidence shows works better just because it isn’t perfect?

We got three of the most important factors for successful Carrier operations from the Brits. Why? It was better. Not perfect. Better. We got the Ribbon Bridge from the Russians. It was better.

we copied the Range Rover and got the Ford Explorer.

Now let’s say we don’t get down to a 20% rate. Our rate is close to 77%. We drop the rate to 50%. Only 50%. So instead of 3 out of 4 people committing more crimes we have one out of two. Perhaps we design a better system after learning and make it 33%. Not 20%. But better than 77% yes?

But no. We won’t even consider it. Instead we want to get tougher. Sure Communism hasn’t worked ever in history. But this time it will. Because we are going to do it right. You sound just as dumb as those idiots who say that.

The current system is not working. It isn’t. Why not try something different. Worst case it doesn’t work either. So we try something else. It is proof of the old saying. The difference between Genius and Stupidity is that Genius has limits. Continuing with the same flawed failing system is just Stupid. Demanding we double down on a failed system is proof that Stupid has no limits.

 

[Dadoalex]

Hey...Daryl hunt........you were saying about the colorado AR-15 ban?

Now, a Colorado judge has tossed the AR-15 ban in the trash bin, along with the provision prohibiting ownership of magazines that carry more than 10 rounds. That’s the backdoor gun ban right there. It’s not just about the rifle. It’s about curbing constitutional gun rights by these magazine laws.

A host of firearms that aren’t AR-15 rifles have magazines with more than 10 rounds. This law would effectively ban them too.


We all see what you’re doing here, liberal America (via Free Beacon):

A judge struck down Boulder, Colorado's ban on the possession of AR-15s and magazines holding more than 10 rounds on Monday.
Colorado state judge Andrew Hartman ruled the city's gun ban violated the state's preemption law, which prevents localities from imposing gun regulations above and beyond state law. Judge Hartman's ruling declares the ordinance invalid and immediately bars the city from enforcing the ban.
"The Court has determined that only Colorado state (or federal) law can prohibit the possession, sale, and transfer of assault weapons and large capacity magazines," Hartman wrote in the ruling.
The ruling is the latest in a string of victories for gun advocates who have used state preemption laws to overturn strict local gun regulations. A Washington court struck down a local ordinance on gun storage in February 2021, and a Pennsylvania court struck down Pittsburgh's attempt to regulate the use of AR-15s inside city limits in October 2019.
Jon Caldara, a longtime Boulder resident who openly flouted the AR-15 ban, said he was "thrilled" by the ruling. The former Denver Post columnist and Independence Institute president publicly announced he would not comply with the order to turn over his AR-15 or ammunition magazines when the ban was instituted in 2019. He filed a separate federal suit against the ordinance and said his family has received backlash from supporters ever since.
"I was probably the most publicly known criminal in Boulder," he told the Washington Free Beacon. "That made us social outcasts. And it was really bad. My daughter got bullied at school for our position."

Colorado Judge Takes a Katana to Boulder's AR-15 Ban

We touched on this back in 2018. Boulder, Colorado was pushing to ban owning AR-15 rifles. They’re c

townhall.com

Watch how fast this fool is overturned.

 

[Dadoalex]

That's why idiots like Joe continually trot out bogus numbers trying to make the new shooters think there is something wrong with them.

Fascists like Joe don't ever tell the truth because the truth undermines everything they claim.

In their minds, if you have a hobby you enjoy, that makes you a nut. Well why aren't people who love sports considered nuts, or people who go to movies constantly, or people who collect coins and have several cars?

This is one of the biggest differences between conservatives and liberals. If a conservative doesn't like something, they will not participate in it. If a liberal doesn't like something, nobody else should like it either.

REALLY?????

You've never heard the terms
SPORTS NUT
CAR NUT
MOVIE NUT?

Where the flock are you from? When the flock are you from?

And your conservative vs liberal thing is just a lie.
OR, Do you favor
Making drugs ALL DRUGS, legal?
Making prostitution and other sex crimes legal?

Those are two things you nuts both participate in AND want made illegal.

Thread = LOSE
No idea what point you tried to make since all you really did was expose your own ignorance and hypocrisy.

 

[westwall]

That's why idiots like Joe continually trot out bogus numbers trying to make the new shooters think there is something wrong with them.

Fascists like Joe don't ever tell the truth because the truth undermines everything they claim.

In their minds, if you have a hobby you enjoy, that makes you a nut. Well why aren't people who love sports considered nuts, or people who go to movies constantly, or people who collect coins and have several cars?

This is one of the biggest differences between conservatives and liberals. If a conservative doesn't like something, they will not participate in it. If a liberal doesn't like something, nobody else should like it either.

Ultimately it is about control. What's truly funny is the billionaires, that these asshats all claim to hate, are the ones pushing gun control. So long as the PEOPLE have guns we are citizens.

The second the rich can take our guns away, we become serfs again.

 

[westwall]

Thank you for verifying that I am correct about the AR Cult being real. But the Sane have all but removed the cult. We don't have to ban the weapon, just regulate it enough that the Cult dies off. What a shock to your system.

No, what we really need to do is way up the penalties for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. 25 years minimum for armed robbery using a gun is a nice place to start. All premeditated murders using a gun an instant death penalty is another. 10 years minimum for felon carrying a concealed weapon.

This is what we need to do. But the Democrats are not going after the bad guys with a gun, they are going after the good guys with a gun instead.

There is oonly a fraction of a second between a law abiding citizen with a gun and a criminal with a gun. And that is what "Regulation" is all about.

Good gosh you are full of shit. There is an enormous gulf between a good guy with a gun, and a criminal. If there weren't all of you idiots would have been killed long ago, along with all the other Americans out there.

There are more guns than people, you moronic twit. Guns aren't the problem. Never have been. It's evil people who are constantly allowed out of prison to prey on defenseless people.

Do you not find it weird that gangbangers regularly do less than 5 years in prison for murdering people?

If you really wanted to reduce crime you would address that fact.

But you don't because you don't give a shit about reducing crime. It's all about power with you fascists.

Oh good. We are going to deal with facts? Great. Tell me why Norway has a Recidivism rate that is about 20 percent while our rate is nearly double that. Tell me why we have one of the highest prison populations in the world. Our tough on crime bullshit doesn’t seem to be paying rewards, unless you are in the business of building prisons that is.

Because of CULTURE. Norway is a homogenous society. There are twice as many illegal aliens in the USA as there are people in all of Norway.

Most of the illegals are OK folks, but, a very small minority of them are extremely violent. More violent by far, than the people born and raised here.

Why do you ignore that very simple fact?

Norway had one of the worst mass shootings in history. If that isn’t violent I don’t know what is.

But even as I pointed out that Norway has a 20% Recidivism Rate. They aren’t perfect. Nobody is. So why reject something that evidence shows works better just because it isn’t perfect?

We got three of the most important factors for successful Carrier operations from the Brits. Why? It was better. Not perfect. Better. We got the Ribbon Bridge from the Russians. It was better.

we copied the Range Rover and got the Ford Explorer.

Now let’s say we don’t get down to a 20% rate. Our rate is close to 77%. We drop the rate to 50%. Only 50%. So instead of 3 out of 4 people committing more crimes we have one out of two. Perhaps we design a better system after learning and make it 33%. Not 20%. But better than 77% yes?

But no. We won’t even consider it. Instead we want to get tougher. Sure Communism hasn’t worked ever in history. But this time it will. Because we are going to do it right. You sound just as dumb as those idiots who say that.

The current system is not working. It isn’t. Why not try something different. Worst case it doesn’t work either. So we try something else. It is proof of the old saying. The difference between Genius and Stupidity is that Genius has limits. Continuing with the same flawed failing system is just Stupid. Demanding we double down on a failed system is proof that Stupid has no limits.

Yes, they did. A country that has every gun law you want....and MORE. Had one mass killing that killed more than ALL of our mass shootings over a ten year period.

So nice you admit it.

I do find it funny that you think communism can ever work. So far you murderous swine have murdered more than 200 million people in the last one hundred years.

So, what's the next goal a billion? How many people do you need to kill to make your system work?

 

[Vrenn]

You are trying to talk down to me. You already know I am a strong supporter of the CCW program and vehemently condemn the untrained open carry. The CCW carriers AREN'T part of the problem and never were. That argument is nothing more than a Strawman.

Well if you implement new regulations, who do you thing that effects, the criminal? And no, I am not talking down to you or anybody. I'm just stating facts.

A guy who plans on killing a bunch of people doesn't care if 30 round mags are illegal. He will find a way to get one, or just use 15 round mags and change them as needed. They can't make gun laws specifically for criminals, they have to make them for all of us, so that tens of millions are disadvantaged for the actions of a very rare few.

Let me fill you in on a secret here: The reason Democrats want to take our guns is because of politics. Take away guns from law abiding citizens, and that gives the criminals a huge advantage over us. When they finally have a society where only the police and criminals have the guns and nobody else, they create a new group of victims. Democrats love victims and victims love Democrats.

So how do we fight big crime? The same way we fought big tobacco, fight big business, big pharma, and that is with a bigger government.

Only a very small group of Democrats wish this. The Majority doesn't. Your battle cry is pretty empty.

 

[SavannahMann]

Thank you for verifying that I am correct about the AR Cult being real. But the Sane have all but removed the cult. We don't have to ban the weapon, just regulate it enough that the Cult dies off. What a shock to your system.

No, what we really need to do is way up the penalties for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. 25 years minimum for armed robbery using a gun is a nice place to start. All premeditated murders using a gun an instant death penalty is another. 10 years minimum for felon carrying a concealed weapon.

This is what we need to do. But the Democrats are not going after the bad guys with a gun, they are going after the good guys with a gun instead.

There is oonly a fraction of a second between a law abiding citizen with a gun and a criminal with a gun. And that is what "Regulation" is all about.

Good gosh you are full of shit. There is an enormous gulf between a good guy with a gun, and a criminal. If there weren't all of you idiots would have been killed long ago, along with all the other Americans out there.

There are more guns than people, you moronic twit. Guns aren't the problem. Never have been. It's evil people who are constantly allowed out of prison to prey on defenseless people.

Do you not find it weird that gangbangers regularly do less than 5 years in prison for murdering people?

If you really wanted to reduce crime you would address that fact.

But you don't because you don't give a shit about reducing crime. It's all about power with you fascists.

Oh good. We are going to deal with facts? Great. Tell me why Norway has a Recidivism rate that is about 20 percent while our rate is nearly double that. Tell me why we have one of the highest prison populations in the world. Our tough on crime bullshit doesn’t seem to be paying rewards, unless you are in the business of building prisons that is.

Because of CULTURE. Norway is a homogenous society. There are twice as many illegal aliens in the USA as there are people in all of Norway.

Most of the illegals are OK folks, but, a very small minority of them are extremely violent. More violent by far, than the people born and raised here.

Why do you ignore that very simple fact?

Norway had one of the worst mass shootings in history. If that isn’t violent I don’t know what is.

But even as I pointed out that Norway has a 20% Recidivism Rate. They aren’t perfect. Nobody is. So why reject something that evidence shows works better just because it isn’t perfect?

We got three of the most important factors for successful Carrier operations from the Brits. Why? It was better. Not perfect. Better. We got the Ribbon Bridge from the Russians. It was better.

we copied the Range Rover and got the Ford Explorer.

Now let’s say we don’t get down to a 20% rate. Our rate is close to 77%. We drop the rate to 50%. Only 50%. So instead of 3 out of 4 people committing more crimes we have one out of two. Perhaps we design a better system after learning and make it 33%. Not 20%. But better than 77% yes?

But no. We won’t even consider it. Instead we want to get tougher. Sure Communism hasn’t worked ever in history. But this time it will. Because we are going to do it right. You sound just as dumb as those idiots who say that.

The current system is not working. It isn’t. Why not try something different. Worst case it doesn’t work either. So we try something else. It is proof of the old saying. The difference between Genius and Stupidity is that Genius has limits. Continuing with the same flawed failing system is just Stupid. Demanding we double down on a failed system is proof that Stupid has no limits.

Yes, they did. A country that has every gun law you want....and MORE. Had one mass killing that killed more than ALL of our mass shootings over a ten year period.

So nice you admit it.

I do find it funny that you think communism can ever work. So far you murderous swine have murdered more than 200 million people in the last one hundred years.

So, what's the next goal a billion? How many people do you need to kill to make your system work?

I used Communism as another example of a failed idea. You are as dumb as they are. It has never worked. It can’t work. Just as the stupid idea that tough prisons will do anything to prevent more crime. An equally stupid idea.

o

I thought it was clearly stated. Apparently your reading comprehension is more proof of your stupidity.

 

[Vrenn]

That's one thing we can agree on. CCW license holders are NOT a problem. They may be the solution if enough of them are on the street at any one time. I doubt if the corner liquor store is being robbed by a CCW license holder. Or the shooting at the local school is done by a CCW License holder. I think in the modern history, there has only been 3 recorded times that a CCW License Holder has discharged his firearm in a criminal way. I can only find one but others pointed out two others.

Tell me this, do you support requiring a Citizen to obtain a CCW to carry a concealed weapon?

Most certainly I do. I think that everybody at the very least who carries needs to study the laws and pass a test. In Ohio, our requirements are ten hours of class time and two hours on the range. Speaking of the range, I've been at the range before when yahoos were there at the same time. They treat guns like toys. One time I seen these assholes shoot a hole in the ceiling, and laughing like a couple of school girls. I don't want those people around me and I don't want them carrying on the street.

People like that won't spend the money, go through the class to get a license. In our state, you have to be at least 21 years old to apply for a license, and that's a good thing so we don't have immature teenagers carrying guns and mishandling them like those kids I spoke about above.

We have gun groups here trying to rescind the law of having to inform a police officer when they are armed either on the street or in their vehicle. I'm against that as well. Even if they would remove that law, I will always inform a police officer that I'm armed.

You do know you just supported Firearms Regulation, don't you. And you listed some very good points why. It's called "Common Sense".

 

[Vrenn]

The first, second and third step has already been taken. Either work with us "Sane" people or lose to the "Insane" ones.

No, it has not been taken yet. What they have in their gun bill now is forcing all gun purchasers to submit to a psychological exam at the cost of $800.00, get a federal license, and anybody you may have had a disagreement with can voice their opposition to you getting that license in which to buy that gun. It may be an ex-wife, an ex-girlfriend, a neighbor or family member. The shrink will be the one questioning these people, and I'm sure a lot of good people won't be able to get one, because the Democrats will likely choose who those shrinks are, which will be anti-gun leftists like themselves.

Any fruitcake in Congress can present a bill. That doesn't mean it's going to be passed. And anyone that votes to pass a bill with that in there loses my vote fast.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Any fruitcake in Congress can present a bill. That doesn't mean it's going to be passed. And anyone that votes to pass a bill with that in there loses my vote fast.

Normally I would agree with you. But they have total control over the federal government now, and the party is being run by radicals. On his website, Biden himself agreed to these things and more.

Bills are not an up and down vote. They haggle and may take one or two things out. But one way or another they are going to pass some form of this gun bill. Will it get stopped in court? That remains to be seen.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You do know you just supported Firearms Regulation, don't you. And you listed some very good points why. It's called "Common Sense".

There has always been firearm regulation; hundreds of laws written about firearms. My stance is we don't need anymore.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Only a very small group of Democrats wish this. The Majority doesn't. Your battle cry is pretty empty.

Wrong. It's what they all want--power.

Each party wants to attract more people to their side, expanding the tent as they like to call it. The two largest groups for the Democrats are government dependents and victims. It only makes political sense that they try to expand these groups. Look at what they propose in legislation or talk about. Free college, medicare for all, reparations, additional federal unemployment, universal basic income. For the other group, victims of big business, victims of the rich people, victims of discrimination, victims of sexuality, victims of racism, and my favorite of all, war on women. By slowly disarming Americans, they will create another Democrat group, victims of violent crime.

Democrats don't care if we have guns. What bothers them is we can defend ourselves with them. If people can take care of themselves, then who needs Democrats around?

I can see the man behind the curtain. It's why our border is a mess now. They want as many of these people from South and Central America as they can squeeze in. For what? To create a single-party government. Every other group outside of whites votes a majority Democrat, some an extremely strong majority. So what's the plan for unchallenged power? Get rid of white people; not in a genocidal way, but a political way. Work on making whites a minority in this country ASAP.

They're doing all this too. Now they want to force the rest of the country to vote their way by making national election laws. Our founders never wanted that, but they don't care. If they can get the same election results they did the last time, who knows, they just might outlaw voting in person.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Please explain why this is so important to you to have an AR-15. We had guns in the house in leather locked bags and we shot them. I even pulled the trigger when my father sighted. He taught me to never pull a gun on any living being. I violated this teaching once, in Castroville, Texas, when I was 12 and practicing with my aunt's pistol. I shot at a spider on the back of the garage.

Explain yourself and why you would need an assault weapon.

The AR-15 is not an "Assault" weapon, it is just a common semi-automatic rifle.....so your premise is a lie from the start.

The AR-15 is a great civilian and police rifle, easy to clean and maintain, it can be equipped with accessories that help people shoot it, from lasers to lights, it is customizable for different sized people, including the ability for different sized people in the same home to use it easily with adjustable stocks. It is easy to shoot for smaller people, unlike 12 gauge shot guns, it is lightweight which makes it good for home defense where you might have to hold it one handed while calling the police on your phone.............

The AR-15 is a really good rifle for civilians...for all of those reasons....and it is nothing more than a regular rifle....

The only reason you shitheads are demonizing the outside look of this rifle is that you figure if you can ban the AR-15, which is just a semi-automatic rifle no different from any other semi-automatic rifle.....that then gives you the ability to go to uninformed people and say......"See....you let us ban this rifle because we made you think it was different and more dangerous.......all the other semi-automatic rifles, pistols and shotguns work the exact same way, so now we are going to ban those too...and you can't say anything since you let us ban the AR-15 which is the same as those other weapons."

We know who you are, we know what you want.........and we are going to fight you every step of the way.

Fine. Fight it through legislation the way it should be done in the first place. But the problem with the AR was that it reached cult status and no mass shooter, today, leaves home dressed any other way. It just wouldn't be proper.

And the AR is still a Model 6XX no matter how you spell it. You can call it the Colt Model 6920 or the Colt Model 750 (out of production) or you can piece on together from after market parts. In the end, it's still part of the Colt Model 6XX Family. It's not designed with hunting for food. It's was designed from the ground up to kill other humans. Not one part has any other use. And there is no way you can give it the drop dead looks of a fine Hunting Rifle.

So your opposition is IT LOOKS SCARY.

Run along, Fudd.

No. You are just using the same tired rhetoric that you have used over and over and have failed with. The fact still remains that not one ounce of the AR was designed for anything other than to kill people as quickly and efficiently as possible in inexperienced hands.

Actually, the 5.56mm round wasn't designed to kill people, it was designed to INJURE them. If you kill a soldier on the battlefield, you take one person out of the force equation, if you wound one person, you take at least three people (the injured person plus at least two people caring for him) out of the force equation. If you want a round designed to kill people, look no further than the .45 ACP shot by the M1911 pistol. It was specifically designed for one shot stopping power by the US Army when the then standard .38 round took multiple hits to stop charging Morro guerillas.

The use of expanding bullets is classed as a war crime by international treaty.

What has that got to do with my post? Neither the 5.56mm or the .45 ACP in military configuration are expanding bullets. Both are perfectly legal under the Geneva Conventions and will be until it becomes illegal to injure an opposing combatant.

The discussion triggered a memory of Law Of Armed Conflict training from my military career. It also counters Vrenn's hysterical claims that the AR-15 is a scary deadly weapon designed to do nothing but kill.

And packing a M-16 for days on end tells me exactly what the AR was intended for. Not oncew have any of you countered the fact that the design and construction of the AR is for wholesale killing people. You gunnutters are going in my ignore file where you belong. Just like you are for most of America.

Guns are intended for legal use

 

[freyasman]

I am not placing you on ignore because you do make some sense. Okay, not a lot of it, but some. I am not wanting to ban the AR. But I am in favor of regulating it to make it not be the weapon of choice for the New Body Count Record Holder in the Schools, Movies and such. That got old fast, real fast. To date, the record was set in Nevada. And something as simple as requiring the use of 15 round mags would have slowed things down a bit. I am not after stopping the shootings (not going to happen)_ but I am after reducing the body count and putting a big dent in the Cult Status. If reducing the number of rounds per mag does it (and it obviously has) then that's a good thing.

I also don't ding States, Counties and Cities that pass their own regulations to make their citizens feel safer. I do condemn the state next to them that won't and export all the nasties to the ones that have when it's found that this is a huge problem (i.e. Illinois v Indiana). And this one isn't about just the AR, it's about ALL firearms.

Of course, Kansas has a lot of nerve complaining that people are going right across the border and legally buying MJ when they same thing is happening with the 30 round mags purchased in Kansas. But Stoners rarely are mass shooters because they just don't care.....what was I saying again?

Okay, so let's go through this:

What you are saying is that we implement some sort of firearm ban, in this case, a limited magazine. Upon this law being passed, and millions of Americans who don't comply now being criminals upon the discovery, arrest, and conviction for having a 15 round magazine, it's worth it because it's better if a maniac kills only 49 students in a school shooting instead of 50? Because after all, I posted a video (if you bothered to watch it) how effortlessly a magazine can be changed. In other words, it wouldn't make any difference in the world.

Even if you are satisfied with only 49 students getting killed instead of 50, do you think your party would share your same satisfaction, and stop pushing for more restrictions?

You keep talking about banning. I haven't said a thing about it. This is just one more "Routine" that you gunnutters have that you try and instill fear and awe into other gun owners. Talk to me about regulation.

As for the dead body count, it started out with pistols and 9mm semi auto rifles. Got a pretty good body count. But it switched to 30+ round mags (lots of them) and the AR and the new body count was established. There is no way that one person can get over 50 dead and over 400 wounded with hand guns. But, obviously, it can (and has been) done using ARs. The common fruitcake with mass shooting on his mind might get 9 or 10 (20 on a good day) and wound not many more than that before he's brought down using a handgun or standard semi auto rifle. But that same shooter can use an AR with a 30+ mag (4 or them) and easily bag 40. and wound over 100. Common sense says, limit the mag size to 15 and you halve the dead body count in half.

Actually, the majority of the Population agrees with me at 57% for stricter firearms regulations. It's even supported by 31% of the Republicans. https://www.npr.org/2019/10/20/771278167/poll-number-of-americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-laws-continues-to-grow

Share of Americans who favor stricter gun laws has increased since 2017Poll: 90% of Registered Voters Want Firearms Background Checks

Americans underestimate public support for key gun policies

There is a lot more out there. Either you work with us or you might lose a hell of a lot more than you think. If for one second the politicos believe you are unhinged, they may swing way to far to the fringe. And it would take decades to swing it back. Work to get common sense gun regulations where you don't have to turn your gun in or even register it nor have a license to own it in most states. Or you can keep going like you are and ALA California.

Your logic is very flawed. Cutting magazine capacity in half does not equate to cutting body count in half. That's a ludicrous statement. It simply means that the shooter must change mags more often - a task that takes less than 2 seconds.

The beauty of being a constitutional republic instead of a democracy is that the majority doesn't get to vote to take the rights away from the minority. Polls don't mean crap. What it takes to change the rules is two-thirds of both houses of Congress and then greater than 50% of the legislators in three-quarters of the states to ratify a change to the Constitution.

So you bring 4 Mags makes it more difficult. That means you have 60 rounds instead of 120. And I can change a mag on an AR in about 1 second so there is no point there. The shooters are not usually that profient. I've seen combat troops drop a fully loaded mag in the confusion. So you have half the rounds. Do the math here. But mostly, it takes the advantage the AR has over the 15 round handgun. Put your mind in the mind of the potential mass shooter. It's not a fun place to be. When the ban was lifted on the AR, the real killing started and almost became a nearly every day ocurrance for those going for the record. We broke the cycle with that simple regulation.

Look, everything you want, all the stuff you're asking for?

Answer is "No."


We're done; you can **** off back to wherever you came from now.

 

[freyasman]

That's why these anti freedom (because ultimately That's what gun control is all about) fascists need to be fought at every step.

Their lies need to be exposed, and their propaganda defeated.

Once we allow them to take that first step, all is lost.

The first, second and third step has already been taken. Either work with us "Sane" people or lose to the "Insane" ones.

Save the threats...... Chris Dorner was one guy and he tied up all of SoCal LE for a solid week and cost them millions of dollars.

Start trying to enforce gun bans and you're going to have a dozen Dorners in every city and quite a few Micah Johnsons as well.

Uniformed police won't be willing leave the station if they are taking rifle fire every time they leave the parking lot, lol.
And the DAs office, the fed's offices, FBI and ATF both, the fusion centers, etc., and their homes will all be in flames, and the firefighters will have been warned to steer clear and let them burn.







You don't have enough muscle in the world to try that shit with us, guy.

 

[Vrenn]

Any fruitcake in Congress can present a bill. That doesn't mean it's going to be passed. And anyone that votes to pass a bill with that in there loses my vote fast.

Normally I would agree with you. But they have total control over the federal government now, and the party is being run by radicals. On his website, Biden himself agreed to these things and more.

Bills are not an up and down vote. They haggle and may take one or two things out. But one way or another they are going to pass some form of this gun bill. Will it get stopped in court? That remains to be seen.

So far, the Courts have been pro Heller as am I. And I don't see any change coming soon. Just like the 5 and 10 round limits didn't survive the courts but the 15 did. Have you ever seen an AR with a 10 round mag? It's like something is missing. I do find that the 15 round was a bit much and would have rather it limited to 20 like the original mag.

 

[Vrenn]

You do know you just supported Firearms Regulation, don't you. And you listed some very good points why. It's called "Common Sense".

There has always been firearm regulation; hundreds of laws written about firearms. My stance is we don't need anymore.

The earliest Gun Control we had was due to the Western Towns being shot up by cowboys coming in off the long trail. Stray Bullets have no conscience.

 

[Vrenn]

Only a very small group of Democrats wish this. The Majority doesn't. Your battle cry is pretty empty.

Wrong. It's what they all want--power.

Each party wants to attract more people to their side, expanding the tent as they like to call it. The two largest groups for the Democrats are government dependents and victims. It only makes political sense that they try to expand these groups. Look at what they propose in legislation or talk about. Free college, medicare for all, reparations, additional federal unemployment, universal basic income. For the other group, victims of big business, victims of the rich people, victims of discrimination, victims of sexuality, victims of racism, and my favorite of all, war on women. By slowly disarming Americans, they will create another Democrat group, victims of violent crime.

Democrats don't care if we have guns. What bothers them is we can defend ourselves with them. If people can take care of themselves, then who needs Democrats around?

I can see the man behind the curtain. It's why our border is a mess now. They want as many of these people from South and Central America as they can squeeze in. For what? To create a single-party government. Every other group outside of whites votes a majority Democrat, some an extremely strong majority. So what's the plan for unchallenged power? Get rid of white people; not in a genocidal way, but a political way. Work on making whites a minority in this country ASAP.

They're doing all this too. Now they want to force the rest of the country to vote their way by making national election laws. Our founders never wanted that, but they don't care. If they can get the same election results they did the last time, who knows, they just might outlaw voting in person.

There you go again, lumping ALL Democrats in with the fringes. And you would be wrong.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Any fruitcake in Congress can present a bill. That doesn't mean it's going to be passed. And anyone that votes to pass a bill with that in there loses my vote fast.

Normally I would agree with you. But they have total control over the federal government now, and the party is being run by radicals. On his website, Biden himself agreed to these things and more.

Bills are not an up and down vote. They haggle and may take one or two things out. But one way or another they are going to pass some form of this gun bill. Will it get stopped in court? That remains to be seen.

So far, the Courts have been pro Heller as am I. And I don't see any change coming soon. Just like the 5 and 10 round limits didn't survive the courts but the 15 did. Have you ever seen an AR with a 10 round mag? It's like something is missing. I do find that the 15 round was a bit much and would have rather it limited to 20 like the original mag.

How many rounds should you have in the case of a riot and rioters are coming towards your front door?