Colorado judge strikes down AR-15 ban, and over 10 round magazine ban....good.

[JoeB131]

So lets break it down by the numbers.

in 2019 10189 people were murdered by a person using a firearm. (Notice I didn't say murdered by a gun. That's because guns can't murder anyone)

Actually, it's 14,500. That's just the homicides... I wasn't even counting the suicides.

Now compare that to 4 killed by guns in Japan. 40 in the UK. 200 In Germany. You get the idea.

That's .003% of the population.

So for the entire year of 2019 you had a .003% chance of being murdered by a person with a gun.

Okay. Let's look at that. In 2001, 3000 people were killed in a terrorist attack. That was less than .001% of the population!!! Yet despite that being a ONE YEAR anomaly, (most years, the number of Americans killed by terrorists are less than 10), we take extraordinary efforts to hunt down and monitor terrorist groups.

Wait. Wait. It gets better. 283 Americans were killed in Aviation crashes in 2019. But funny thing, we regulate the hell out of who can get on a plane, who can fly a plane, where planes can fly, etc. All to prevent something that doesn't happen that often.

 

[Flash]

You didn't answer my question Moon Bat.

How are my firearms a threat to your ***** ass?

you mean other than you might have a "Really bad day" and shoot up some place that I am at.

The best argument for gun control is a five minute conversation with a gun nut.

You are confused Moon Bat

If I wanted to have a really bad day no friggin law is going to stop me. Every day in Democrat controlled Chicago a bunch of your Negro buddies have bad days and Chicago has the strictest gun control laws in the country. Gun control laws don't stop druggies, street thugs, gang bangers and nut cases from having bad days. The ones that commit the great majority of the gun crimes in this country.

Oppressive gun control laws don't stop people that want to have bad days. All they do is take Liberty away from Americans citizens that have good days.

I have good days when i go out to the range and shoot my AR-15s for recreational purposes. I have good days collecting and building firearms. I have good days knowing my home is secure from those assholes that want to have a bad day. I have good days knowing that I have the Constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

You really need to pull your head out of your Liberty hating ass Moon Bat. You sound like a fool whenever you post your uneducated Libtard garbage.

 

[JoeB131]

Shit head....it was well known that koresh walked into town every week to get icecream and could have been picked up at anytime, alone and unarmed.....the ATF wanted a big operation to justify their budget and to get an increase....they caused the deaths of those children.

yes, the ATF could have done that better...> So could have the cops who bashed in Breonna Taylor's door in the middle of the night.

But Koresh had 53 days to consider what he was doing, and decided that mass suicide was better than going to jail as a *****.

 

[Flash]

You didn't answer my question Moon Bat.

How are my firearms a threat to your ***** ass?

you mean other than you might have a "Really bad day" and shoot up some place that I am at.

The best argument for gun control is a five minute conversation with a gun nut.

So lets break it down by the numbers.

in 2019 10189 people were murdered by a person using a firearm. (Notice I didn't say murdered by a gun. That's because guns can't murder anyone)

That's .003% of the population.

So for the entire year of 2019 you had a .003% chance of being murdered by a person with a gun.

If he doesn't live a Democrat controlled big city shithole and isn't a gang banger, druggie, street thug, Negro or Illegal that percentage is probably more like .00001. Much less than the chance of drowning in a backyard swimming pool or getting struck by lightning.

 

[Blues Man]

So lets break it down by the numbers.

in 2019 10189 people were murdered by a person using a firearm. (Notice I didn't say murdered by a gun. That's because guns can't murder anyone)

Actually, it's 14,500. That's just the homicides... I wasn't even counting the suicides.

Now compare that to 4 killed by guns in Japan. 40 in the UK. 200 In Germany. You get the idea.

That's .003% of the population.

So for the entire year of 2019 you had a .003% chance of being murdered by a person with a gun.

Okay. Let's look at that. In 2001, 3000 people were killed in a terrorist attack. That was less than .001% of the population!!! Yet despite that being a ONE YEAR anomaly, (most years, the number of Americans killed by terrorists are less than 10), we take extraordinary efforts to hunt down and monitor terrorist groups.

Wait. Wait. It gets better. 283 Americans were killed in Aviation crashes in 2019. But funny thing, we regulate the hell out of who can get on a plane, who can fly a plane, where planes can fly, etc. All to prevent something that doesn't happen that often.

Number of homicides by weapons used in the U.S.| Statista

Handguns are by far the most common murder weapon used in the United States, accounting for 6,246 homicides in 2024.

www.statista.com

Nope in 2019 it was actually 10753, I didn't add in the rifles and shotguns.

but that doesn't really change the numbers.

.0032%


Do you fear being murdered by some "gun nut" to the same degree you fear dying in a terrorist attack?

It seems to me you have an unreasonable fear of being murdered by a person with a firearm.

And if the only thing we did was to enforce the federal gun laws we already have on the books I bet we could decrease murders by 60% or more.

And suicides don't count because suicide isn't murder , nor is it a crime.

 

[westwall]

Thank you for verifying that I am correct about the AR Cult being real. But the Sane have all but removed the cult. We don't have to ban the weapon, just regulate it enough that the Cult dies off. What a shock to your system.

No, what we really need to do is way up the penalties for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. 25 years minimum for armed robbery using a gun is a nice place to start. All premeditated murders using a gun an instant death penalty is another. 10 years minimum for felon carrying a concealed weapon.

This is what we need to do. But the Democrats are not going after the bad guys with a gun, they are going after the good guys with a gun instead.

There is oonly a fraction of a second between a law abiding citizen with a gun and a criminal with a gun. And that is what "Regulation" is all about.

Good gosh you are full of shit. There is an enormous gulf between a good guy with a gun, and a criminal. If there weren't all of you idiots would have been killed long ago, along with all the other Americans out there.

There are more guns than people, you moronic twit. Guns aren't the problem. Never have been. It's evil people who are constantly allowed out of prison to prey on defenseless people.

Do you not find it weird that gangbangers regularly do less than 5 years in prison for murdering people?

If you really wanted to reduce crime you would address that fact.

But you don't because you don't give a shit about reducing crime. It's all about power with you fascists.

Oh good. We are going to deal with facts? Great. Tell me why Norway has a Recidivism rate that is about 20 percent while our rate is nearly double that. Tell me why we have one of the highest prison populations in the world. Our tough on crime bullshit doesn’t seem to be paying rewards, unless you are in the business of building prisons that is.

Because of CULTURE. Norway is a homogenous society. There are twice as many illegal aliens in the USA as there are people in all of Norway.

Most of the illegals are OK folks, but, a very small minority of them are extremely violent. More violent by far, than the people born and raised here.

Why do you ignore that very simple fact?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

You are an idiot.

Prisons are little more than warehouses. We don’t do anything but keep them.

Getting tough results in the prisoners getting tough too. That is why the recidivism rate is so high. The prisoners learn nothing but aggression and more violence. You reinforce the wrong lessons.

Norway has a lower rate because they spend the time to retrain the people. To rehabilitate them. Finland has been closing prisons because of the success of their similar programs. But we Americans know better. We will get tougher. So what if something else works better. We demand the worst and we get it.

Then when the prisoner completes his sentence. We barely allow them to have menial labor jobs. We don’t want ex cons near us. To make sure we pass laws to make it even tougher for the ex con to get jobs.

We don’t want to hear about successful programs. We want more agony. Just because it hasn’t worked yet doesn’t mean it won’t if we get tougher. Like the Communists. You are an idiot. It doesn’t work. It never has. But like a religious belief you cling to it as the future.

Why do you people always try to compare the US to other countries? What works here may not work there and what works there may not work here. We are different cultures and much more diverse than those other places.

Fact of the matter is a strong enough deterrent works every time it's tried. Prisons are for punishment, not to train people how to make a living. You do that when you're in the free world outside of prison. The aftermath of your prison term you brought on yourself. I know people who've been in prison. They tell me once you get used to it, there really is no fear if they had to go back. The prisoners don't learn aggression and violence in prison. They were that way before they got to prison, and many of them sent there because they were violent.

 

[Flash]

You are confused about this Moon Bat.

There is not what you stupid uneducated Moon Bats call "gun" violence. It is just crime and it is mostly in our Democrat controlled big city shitholes among mostly minority demographics. The crimes are mostly among gang bangers, druggies, street thugs and other assorted lowlifes. You know, the core voting block for the Democrat Party. The ones that don't obey the existing laws now, no less any more law you idiots want to pass.

That's not true, either. In fact, according to the National Gang Center, only 2200 murders a year are "Gang related". That is out of 19,000 homicides a year in the US. Most homicides are domestic violence. Not to mention the 19,000 gun suicides every year..

We don't need to study jackshit because we know where the crime is at an who is doing it and passing more stringent gun control laws ain't gonna change anything. Passing oppressive laws that only law abiding citizens will obey that don't commit the crime won't change anything.

Again- what upset the gun lobby is that it found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy. This panicked the Gun Lobby. OH MY GOD, they're on to us!!!

You just don't get it, do you? Do you have peanut butter stuck in your ears?

The great majority of the gun crimes that are committed in this country are committed by a criminal element that already disobeys the existing gun laws.

Passing more gun controls won't change that but it will take Liberty away from the people that don't use firearms for illegal purposes. A Liberty guarantee to us under the Constitution of the United States.

You don't give jackshit about the Bill of Rights, do you? Typical uneducated hate filled Moon Bat, aren't you?

Stop being a ******* Pajama Boy *****.

My firearms are not threat to you unless you try to harm my family.

I guess not everybody has the courage to live in a free society. ***** Bois like you want National Socialism so the government controls everything.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

you mean other than you might have a "Really bad day" and shoot up some place that I am at.

The best argument for gun control is a five minute conversation with a gun nut.

Except for the fact that never happens. CCW holders are the most law abiding group in the country. Don't worry about the people legally allowed to carry a firearm, worry much more about the people that are not. They're the ones that are going to get you--not us.

 

[JoeB131]

You just don't get it, do you? Do you have peanut butter stuck in your ears?

The great majority of the gun crimes that are committed in this country are committed by a criminal element that already disobeys the existing gun laws.

Are they? The vast majority of gun crimes are domestic violence. Sorry, man. That's why we are the only country that has this problem.

 

[JoeB131]

Except for the fact that never happens. CCW holders are the most law abiding group in the country. Don't worry about the people legally allowed to carry a firearm, worry much more about the people that are not. They're the ones that are going to get you--not us.

Um, yeah, frankly, they aren't the ones talking about all the people they want to shoot...that would be you guys.

 

[freyasman]

You just don't get it, do you? Do you have peanut butter stuck in your ears?

The great majority of the gun crimes that are committed in this country are committed by a criminal element that already disobeys the existing gun laws.

Are they? The vast majority of gun crimes are domestic violence. Sorry, man. That's why we are the only country that has this problem.

False.



You never let the fact that you're constantly wrong interfere with your absolute certainty..... that's a sign of mental defect, BTW.

IOW, you're retarded.

 

[2aguy]

Shit head....it was well known that koresh walked into town every week to get icecream and could have been picked up at anytime, alone and unarmed.....the ATF wanted a big operation to justify their budget and to get an increase....they caused the deaths of those children.

yes, the ATF could have done that better...> So could have the cops who bashed in Breonna Taylor's door in the middle of the night.

But Koresh had 53 days to consider what he was doing, and decided that mass suicide was better than going to jail as a *****.

Breonna taylors boyfriend shot at the police.......he caused her death, not the police. You idiot.

Koresh could have been taken into custody at anytime, easily, but the ATF made the call to raid the entire compound......getting those children killed in the process....

 

[2aguy]

I am not placing you on ignore because you do make some sense. Okay, not a lot of it, but some. I am not wanting to ban the AR. But I am in favor of regulating it to make it not be the weapon of choice for the New Body Count Record Holder in the Schools, Movies and such. That got old fast, real fast. To date, the record was set in Nevada. And something as simple as requiring the use of 15 round mags would have slowed things down a bit. I am not after stopping the shootings (not going to happen)_ but I am after reducing the body count and putting a big dent in the Cult Status. If reducing the number of rounds per mag does it (and it obviously has) then that's a good thing.

I also don't ding States, Counties and Cities that pass their own regulations to make their citizens feel safer. I do condemn the state next to them that won't and export all the nasties to the ones that have when it's found that this is a huge problem (i.e. Illinois v Indiana). And this one isn't about just the AR, it's about ALL firearms.

Of course, Kansas has a lot of nerve complaining that people are going right across the border and legally buying MJ when they same thing is happening with the 30 round mags purchased in Kansas. But Stoners rarely are mass shooters because they just don't care.....what was I saying again?

Okay, so let's go through this:

What you are saying is that we implement some sort of firearm ban, in this case, a limited magazine. Upon this law being passed, and millions of Americans who don't comply now being criminals upon the discovery, arrest, and conviction for having a 15 round magazine, it's worth it because it's better if a maniac kills only 49 students in a school shooting instead of 50? Because after all, I posted a video (if you bothered to watch it) how effortlessly a magazine can be changed. In other words, it wouldn't make any difference in the world.

Even if you are satisfied with only 49 students getting killed instead of 50, do you think your party would share your same satisfaction, and stop pushing for more restrictions?

You keep talking about banning. I haven't said a thing about it. This is just one more "Routine" that you gunnutters have that you try and instill fear and awe into other gun owners. Talk to me about regulation.

As for the dead body count, it started out with pistols and 9mm semi auto rifles. Got a pretty good body count. But it switched to 30+ round mags (lots of them) and the AR and the new body count was established. There is no way that one person can get over 50 dead and over 400 wounded with hand guns. But, obviously, it can (and has been) done using ARs. The common fruitcake with mass shooting on his mind might get 9 or 10 (20 on a good day) and wound not many more than that before he's brought down using a handgun or standard semi auto rifle. But that same shooter can use an AR with a 30+ mag (4 or them) and easily bag 40. and wound over 100. Common sense says, limit the mag size to 15 and you halve the dead body count in half.

Actually, the majority of the Population agrees with me at 57% for stricter firearms regulations. It's even supported by 31% of the Republicans. https://www.npr.org/2019/10/20/771278167/poll-number-of-americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-laws-continues-to-grow

Share of Americans who favor stricter gun laws has increased since 2017Poll: 90% of Registered Voters Want Firearms Background Checks

Americans underestimate public support for key gun policies

There is a lot more out there. Either you work with us or you might lose a hell of a lot more than you think. If for one second the politicos believe you are unhinged, they may swing way to far to the fringe. And it would take decades to swing it back. Work to get common sense gun regulations where you don't have to turn your gun in or even register it nor have a license to own it in most states. Or you can keep going like you are and ALA California.

You are wrong...the Virginia Tech shooter killed 32 with 2 pistols.....had he picked a different target, like the pulse nightclub shooter he easily could have killed more....he picked a school, and started in a classroom allowing lots of people in other classrooms to escape before he got to them...you idiot....

Luby's cafe...24 killed....

So you don't know what you are talking about....

And the Americans who support your stupid policies don't understand the issues or the goals of people like you who support the anti-gun extremists.....if the actual agenda was explained to them they wouldn't support what you want.

Common sense says, limit the mag size to 15 and you halve the dead body count in half.


No...common sense doesn't show that, since changing a magazine isn't a limiting factor on mass public shootings...since they plan them 6 months to 2 years in advance......

Target location.....which are packed with unarmed people....gun free zones by law...is the primary factor.

The secondary factor is how quickly a good guy can shoot back at the mass public shooter, since they either surrender or run away, or are killed or injured.....



You have been shown that that is just bullshit.......actual research shows that magazine capacity has no bearing on the number of people killed in mass public shootings....you were given the research, it shows you are wrong, but you continue with your B.S. on limiting magazines...

And there is a reason anti-gun extremists want to ban 15 round magazines that you won't admit......by limiting to 10 rounds, they ban millions and millions of pistols that have 15 round magazines.....it is a ban by the back door.....which is why your 15 round magazine limit isn't the one they are pushing...

 

[2aguy]

I am not placing you on ignore because you do make some sense. Okay, not a lot of it, but some. I am not wanting to ban the AR. But I am in favor of regulating it to make it not be the weapon of choice for the New Body Count Record Holder in the Schools, Movies and such. That got old fast, real fast. To date, the record was set in Nevada. And something as simple as requiring the use of 15 round mags would have slowed things down a bit. I am not after stopping the shootings (not going to happen)_ but I am after reducing the body count and putting a big dent in the Cult Status. If reducing the number of rounds per mag does it (and it obviously has) then that's a good thing.

I also don't ding States, Counties and Cities that pass their own regulations to make their citizens feel safer. I do condemn the state next to them that won't and export all the nasties to the ones that have when it's found that this is a huge problem (i.e. Illinois v Indiana). And this one isn't about just the AR, it's about ALL firearms.

Of course, Kansas has a lot of nerve complaining that people are going right across the border and legally buying MJ when they same thing is happening with the 30 round mags purchased in Kansas. But Stoners rarely are mass shooters because they just don't care.....what was I saying again?

Okay, so let's go through this:

What you are saying is that we implement some sort of firearm ban, in this case, a limited magazine. Upon this law being passed, and millions of Americans who don't comply now being criminals upon the discovery, arrest, and conviction for having a 15 round magazine, it's worth it because it's better if a maniac kills only 49 students in a school shooting instead of 50? Because after all, I posted a video (if you bothered to watch it) how effortlessly a magazine can be changed. In other words, it wouldn't make any difference in the world.

Even if you are satisfied with only 49 students getting killed instead of 50, do you think your party would share your same satisfaction, and stop pushing for more restrictions?

You keep talking about banning. I haven't said a thing about it. This is just one more "Routine" that you gunnutters have that you try and instill fear and awe into other gun owners. Talk to me about regulation.

As for the dead body count, it started out with pistols and 9mm semi auto rifles. Got a pretty good body count. But it switched to 30+ round mags (lots of them) and the AR and the new body count was established. There is no way that one person can get over 50 dead and over 400 wounded with hand guns. But, obviously, it can (and has been) done using ARs. The common fruitcake with mass shooting on his mind might get 9 or 10 (20 on a good day) and wound not many more than that before he's brought down using a handgun or standard semi auto rifle. But that same shooter can use an AR with a 30+ mag (4 or them) and easily bag 40. and wound over 100. Common sense says, limit the mag size to 15 and you halve the dead body count in half.

Actually, the majority of the Population agrees with me at 57% for stricter firearms regulations. It's even supported by 31% of the Republicans. https://www.npr.org/2019/10/20/771278167/poll-number-of-americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-laws-continues-to-grow

Share of Americans who favor stricter gun laws has increased since 2017Poll: 90% of Registered Voters Want Firearms Background Checks

Americans underestimate public support for key gun policies

There is a lot more out there. Either you work with us or you might lose a hell of a lot more than you think. If for one second the politicos believe you are unhinged, they may swing way to far to the fringe. And it would take decades to swing it back. Work to get common sense gun regulations where you don't have to turn your gun in or even register it nor have a license to own it in most states. Or you can keep going like you are and ALA California.

And here is the anti-gun threat...

Either you work with us or you might lose a hell of a lot more than you think.

Give us what we want now, or we will take more.....

Then....

They come back and say, give us what we want now, or we will take more...


Then....

The come back and say, give us what we want now, or we will take more...

And they always come back and take more....

 

[freyasman]

I am not placing you on ignore because you do make some sense. Okay, not a lot of it, but some. I am not wanting to ban the AR. But I am in favor of regulating it to make it not be the weapon of choice for the New Body Count Record Holder in the Schools, Movies and such. That got old fast, real fast. To date, the record was set in Nevada. And something as simple as requiring the use of 15 round mags would have slowed things down a bit. I am not after stopping the shootings (not going to happen)_ but I am after reducing the body count and putting a big dent in the Cult Status. If reducing the number of rounds per mag does it (and it obviously has) then that's a good thing.

I also don't ding States, Counties and Cities that pass their own regulations to make their citizens feel safer. I do condemn the state next to them that won't and export all the nasties to the ones that have when it's found that this is a huge problem (i.e. Illinois v Indiana). And this one isn't about just the AR, it's about ALL firearms.

Of course, Kansas has a lot of nerve complaining that people are going right across the border and legally buying MJ when they same thing is happening with the 30 round mags purchased in Kansas. But Stoners rarely are mass shooters because they just don't care.....what was I saying again?

Okay, so let's go through this:

What you are saying is that we implement some sort of firearm ban, in this case, a limited magazine. Upon this law being passed, and millions of Americans who don't comply now being criminals upon the discovery, arrest, and conviction for having a 15 round magazine, it's worth it because it's better if a maniac kills only 49 students in a school shooting instead of 50? Because after all, I posted a video (if you bothered to watch it) how effortlessly a magazine can be changed. In other words, it wouldn't make any difference in the world.

Even if you are satisfied with only 49 students getting killed instead of 50, do you think your party would share your same satisfaction, and stop pushing for more restrictions?

You keep talking about banning. I haven't said a thing about it. This is just one more "Routine" that you gunnutters have that you try and instill fear and awe into other gun owners. Talk to me about regulation.

As for the dead body count, it started out with pistols and 9mm semi auto rifles. Got a pretty good body count. But it switched to 30+ round mags (lots of them) and the AR and the new body count was established. There is no way that one person can get over 50 dead and over 400 wounded with hand guns. But, obviously, it can (and has been) done using ARs. The common fruitcake with mass shooting on his mind might get 9 or 10 (20 on a good day) and wound not many more than that before he's brought down using a handgun or standard semi auto rifle. But that same shooter can use an AR with a 30+ mag (4 or them) and easily bag 40. and wound over 100. Common sense says, limit the mag size to 15 and you halve the dead body count in half.

Actually, the majority of the Population agrees with me at 57% for stricter firearms regulations. It's even supported by 31% of the Republicans. https://www.npr.org/2019/10/20/771278167/poll-number-of-americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-laws-continues-to-grow

Share of Americans who favor stricter gun laws has increased since 2017Poll: 90% of Registered Voters Want Firearms Background Checks

Americans underestimate public support for key gun policies

There is a lot more out there. Either you work with us or you might lose a hell of a lot more than you think. If for one second the politicos believe you are unhinged, they may swing way to far to the fringe. And it would take decades to swing it back. Work to get common sense gun regulations where you don't have to turn your gun in or even register it nor have a license to own it in most states. Or you can keep going like you are and ALA California.

And here is the anti-gun threat...

Either you work with us or you might lose a hell of a lot more than you think.

Give us what we want now, or we will take more.....

Then....

They come back and say, give us what we want now, or we will take more...


Then....

The come back and say, give us what we want now, or we will take more...

And they always come back and take more....

Quit wasting time talking to them.
Tell them to **** off, and shoot them if they don't.

 

[2aguy]

Thank you for verifying that I am correct about the AR Cult being real. But the Sane have all but removed the cult. We don't have to ban the weapon, just regulate it enough that the Cult dies off. What a shock to your system.

No, what we really need to do is way up the penalties for using a firearm in the commission of a crime. 25 years minimum for armed robbery using a gun is a nice place to start. All premeditated murders using a gun an instant death penalty is another. 10 years minimum for felon carrying a concealed weapon.

This is what we need to do. But the Democrats are not going after the bad guys with a gun, they are going after the good guys with a gun instead.

There is oonly a fraction of a second between a law abiding citizen with a gun and a criminal with a gun. And that is what "Regulation" is all about.

Good gosh you are full of shit. There is an enormous gulf between a good guy with a gun, and a criminal. If there weren't all of you idiots would have been killed long ago, along with all the other Americans out there.

There are more guns than people, you moronic twit. Guns aren't the problem. Never have been. It's evil people who are constantly allowed out of prison to prey on defenseless people.

Do you not find it weird that gangbangers regularly do less than 5 years in prison for murdering people?

If you really wanted to reduce crime you would address that fact.

But you don't because you don't give a shit about reducing crime. It's all about power with you fascists.

Oh good. We are going to deal with facts? Great. Tell me why Norway has a Recidivism rate that is about 20 percent while our rate is nearly double that. Tell me why we have one of the highest prison populations in the world. Our tough on crime bullshit doesn’t seem to be paying rewards, unless you are in the business of building prisons that is.

Because of their culture...and because they don't have a political party that allows violent, repeat gun offenders out of jail and prison over and over again.....the criminals who are doing all of the shooting are the criminals our democrat party keeps letting out of jail and prison, that's why.....

We don't have a tough on crime policy, you dumb ass......as I keep showing, the democrat party keeps releasing violent, repeat gun offenders from jail and prison....over and over again...

If you keep letting out violent criminals, you keep having violent crime....

 

[2aguy]

You are confused about this Moon Bat.

There is not what you stupid uneducated Moon Bats call "gun" violence. It is just crime and it is mostly in our Democrat controlled big city shitholes among mostly minority demographics. The crimes are mostly among gang bangers, druggies, street thugs and other assorted lowlifes. You know, the core voting block for the Democrat Party. The ones that don't obey the existing laws now, no less any more law you idiots want to pass.

That's not true, either. In fact, according to the National Gang Center, only 2200 murders a year are "Gang related". That is out of 19,000 homicides a year in the US. Most homicides are domestic violence. Not to mention the 19,000 gun suicides every year..

We don't need to study jackshit because we know where the crime is at an who is doing it and passing more stringent gun control laws ain't gonna change anything. Passing oppressive laws that only law abiding citizens will obey that don't commit the crime won't change anything.

Again- what upset the gun lobby is that it found that a gun in the home was 43 times more likely to kill a household member than a bad guy. This panicked the Gun Lobby. OH MY GOD, they're on to us!!!

You keep lying.........the majority of gun murders occur among criminals...you have been shown the research over and over again, but you want to lie to push your agenda.......

And we just posted the information showing that the 43 number was a lie......we gave you the links and the quotes and you still lie about it...

2017 homicide data provide insight into Baltimore's gun wars, police say



About 86 percent of the victims and 85 percent of the 118 suspects identified by police had prior criminal records.

And about 46 percent of victims and 44 percent of suspects had previously been arrested for gun crimes, the data show.

----

The average homicide victim in Baltimore in 2017 had 11 previous arrests on his record.

About 73 percent had drug arrests, and nearly 50 percent had been arrested for a violent crime. About 30 percent were on parole or probation at the time they were killed, and more than 6 percent were on parole or probation for a gun crime.

Twenty percent of the victims were known members of a gang or drug crew, according to the data.

The average homicide suspect, meanwhile, had 9 previous arrests on his record. About 70 percent had drug arrests, and nearly half had been arrested for a violent crime. Nearly 36 percent were on parole or probation, and 6 percent were on parole or probation for a gun crime, the data show.

Eighteen percent of the suspects were known members of a gang or drug crew, according to the data.

The Criminology of Firearms
In 2004, the National Academy of Sciences reviewed 253 journal articles, 99 books, 43 government publications and some empirical research of its own about guns. The Academy could not identify any gun restriction that had reduced violent crime, suicide or gun accidents.

Why don't gun bans work? Because they rely on voluntary compliance by gun-using criminals. Prohibitionists never see this absurdity because they deceive themselves into thinking that, as Katherine Christoffel has said: "[M]ost shootings are not committed by felons or mentally ill people, but are acts of passion that are committed using a handgun that is owned for home protection."

Christoffel, et al., are utterly wrong. The whole corpus of criminological research dating back to the 1890'sshows murderers "almost uniformly have a long history of involvement in criminal behavior," and that "[v]irtually all" murderers and other gun criminals have prior felony records — generally long ones.

While only 15 percent of Americans have criminal records, roughly 90 percent of adult murderers have prior adult records — exclusive of their often extensive juvenile records — with crime careers of six or more adult years including four major felonies. Gerald D. Robin, writing for the Academy of Criminal Justice Sciences,notes that, unlike ordinary gun owners, "the average murderer turns out to be no less hardened a criminal than the average robber or burglar."

 

[westwall]

I am not placing you on ignore because you do make some sense. Okay, not a lot of it, but some. I am not wanting to ban the AR. But I am in favor of regulating it to make it not be the weapon of choice for the New Body Count Record Holder in the Schools, Movies and such. That got old fast, real fast. To date, the record was set in Nevada. And something as simple as requiring the use of 15 round mags would have slowed things down a bit. I am not after stopping the shootings (not going to happen)_ but I am after reducing the body count and putting a big dent in the Cult Status. If reducing the number of rounds per mag does it (and it obviously has) then that's a good thing.

I also don't ding States, Counties and Cities that pass their own regulations to make their citizens feel safer. I do condemn the state next to them that won't and export all the nasties to the ones that have when it's found that this is a huge problem (i.e. Illinois v Indiana). And this one isn't about just the AR, it's about ALL firearms.

Of course, Kansas has a lot of nerve complaining that people are going right across the border and legally buying MJ when they same thing is happening with the 30 round mags purchased in Kansas. But Stoners rarely are mass shooters because they just don't care.....what was I saying again?

Okay, so let's go through this:

What you are saying is that we implement some sort of firearm ban, in this case, a limited magazine. Upon this law being passed, and millions of Americans who don't comply now being criminals upon the discovery, arrest, and conviction for having a 15 round magazine, it's worth it because it's better if a maniac kills only 49 students in a school shooting instead of 50? Because after all, I posted a video (if you bothered to watch it) how effortlessly a magazine can be changed. In other words, it wouldn't make any difference in the world.

Even if you are satisfied with only 49 students getting killed instead of 50, do you think your party would share your same satisfaction, and stop pushing for more restrictions?

You keep talking about banning. I haven't said a thing about it. This is just one more "Routine" that you gunnutters have that you try and instill fear and awe into other gun owners. Talk to me about regulation.

As for the dead body count, it started out with pistols and 9mm semi auto rifles. Got a pretty good body count. But it switched to 30+ round mags (lots of them) and the AR and the new body count was established. There is no way that one person can get over 50 dead and over 400 wounded with hand guns. But, obviously, it can (and has been) done using ARs. The common fruitcake with mass shooting on his mind might get 9 or 10 (20 on a good day) and wound not many more than that before he's brought down using a handgun or standard semi auto rifle. But that same shooter can use an AR with a 30+ mag (4 or them) and easily bag 40. and wound over 100. Common sense says, limit the mag size to 15 and you halve the dead body count in half.

Actually, the majority of the Population agrees with me at 57% for stricter firearms regulations. It's even supported by 31% of the Republicans. https://www.npr.org/2019/10/20/771278167/poll-number-of-americans-who-favor-stricter-gun-laws-continues-to-grow

Share of Americans who favor stricter gun laws has increased since 2017Poll: 90% of Registered Voters Want Firearms Background Checks

Americans underestimate public support for key gun policies

There is a lot more out there. Either you work with us or you might lose a hell of a lot more than you think. If for one second the politicos believe you are unhinged, they may swing way to far to the fringe. And it would take decades to swing it back. Work to get common sense gun regulations where you don't have to turn your gun in or even register it nor have a license to own it in most states. Or you can keep going like you are and ALA California.

And here is the anti-gun threat...

Either you work with us or you might lose a hell of a lot more than you think.

Give us what we want now, or we will take more.....

Then....

They come back and say, give us what we want now, or we will take more...


Then....

The come back and say, give us what we want now, or we will take more...

And they always come back and take more....

That's why these anti freedom (because ultimately That's what gun control is all about) fascists need to be fought at every step.

Their lies need to be exposed, and their propaganda defeated.

 

[2aguy]

So lets break it down by the numbers.

in 2019 10189 people were murdered by a person using a firearm. (Notice I didn't say murdered by a gun. That's because guns can't murder anyone)

Actually, it's 14,500. That's just the homicides... I wasn't even counting the suicides.

Now compare that to 4 killed by guns in Japan. 40 in the UK. 200 In Germany. You get the idea.

That's .003% of the population.

So for the entire year of 2019 you had a .003% chance of being murdered by a person with a gun.

Okay. Let's look at that. In 2001, 3000 people were killed in a terrorist attack. That was less than .001% of the population!!! Yet despite that being a ONE YEAR anomaly, (most years, the number of Americans killed by terrorists are less than 10), we take extraordinary efforts to hunt down and monitor terrorist groups.

Wait. Wait. It gets better. 283 Americans were killed in Aviation crashes in 2019. But funny thing, we regulate the hell out of who can get on a plane, who can fly a plane, where planes can fly, etc. All to prevent something that doesn't happen that often.

Gun crimes in Britain are going up, you doofus, as their drug crime is taken over by 3rd World immigrant gangs who do not share the culture of the British .........Japan is a police state as you have been shown over and over again, and their criminals get guns easily when they want to use them...but their criminal culture is focused on wealth, not violence....and their gangs are homogenous not of various national and racial groups who war with each other over girlfriends and social media insults...

You don't know what you are talking about.