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[struth]

They don't have the power because we maintain our rights...certainly the seperate branches help....if it w

The crime in China is caused by it's oppressive leftist Govt on the people, and it's not reported like traditional crime.

It's hard for a citizen to commit a crime, when they are already in a concentration camp

Well, they don't have power because the limits on power are maintained. But it's certainly getting shaky right now.

Well, China's government isn't really "leftist". It's an extreme form of government with right and left wing policies.

But people do commit crime. Maybe you haven't been to China, it's not that oppressive as long as you don't trample on politicians's careers.

I don't disagree that there is a massive push....and desire by the folks currently running the Federal Govt to not maintain those protections....many in the party in control view the Constitution as a bad thing....

No it's leftist..Mao was a leftist...it's a Socialist system

It's not oppressive unless you trample on the Govt? Gotcha...that's very oppressive

China isn't Maoist, they rejected Maoism (whatever the fuck that is, Mao was just an egotist who messed up a lot, didn't really have much of a plan) when Deng XiaoPing was in charge (but not in charge).

China officially calls itself Communist, but isn't because they're not moving towards Communism at all. Xi has decided, recently, that he needs to shore up his authority by going more Socialist. However this Socialism is pretty conservative, they ban tits on TV, even cleavage is banned, that's not left wing at all. Education isn't left wing, it's all about keeping people ignorant and malleable but producing people capable of making money. Women aren't considered equals, though officially they are, gay people aren't banned, but they're also not protected and will be attacked in subtle ways by the government.


China is what it is. It's not a free country. But it's not a place where everyone is worried they're going to be taken to the gulag either. If you don't understand what it's like to be in China, it's not my fault.

Maoism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Mao was the founded of the People's Republic of China...he's their George Washington...they did not reject him,

Dem leadership in the US, love him and admire him....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes-under-fire

Biden Quotes Mao Zedong to Explain Kamala Harris Pick

Joe Biden used a quote from brutal Chinese dictator Mao Zedong to explain his pick of Kamala Harris as his running mate during the ticket’s first public interview Sunday.When asked by ABC News’s Robin Roberts whether he felt “pressure to select a black woman,” Biden responded by saying he did...

www.yahoo.com

"


Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,” during which Mao’s regime caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people from 1958 to 1962.

From Mao to Obama

John Fund writes in The Wall Street Journal that Anita Dunn claims Mao Tse Tung is one of her favorite political philosophers.

www.wsj.com

I don't disagree that China isn't Communist...they are Socialist...and there is nothing Conservative about Socialism. Actually, today, they are more Fascist in nature then Socialist. Fascism is one step below Socialism

Come on, a little more reality here. You're playing nonsense politics.

Mao was the first leader of China, and China under Mao was a disaster. Under Deng Xiaoping, who Mao nearly killed, China started on its path to being an economic powerhouse it is today. Even Xi ran away from Mao's policies in the past. He's only embracing them now because they're convenient for him.

But China rejected everything about Maoism. Because Mao stood for chaos. China isn't chaos any more, it's organized and functions.

If you know anything about that Andy Warhol picture of Mao, you'd not have made the silly comment you made about Democrats loving him. It's such a nonsense comment it doesn't really require me to say much other than you shouldn't make such dumb comments.

You think there's nothing conservative about Socialism? Well that's your look out. Maybe when you've learned some more you'll realize how wrong you are.

What is right wing? What is left wing? They're pretty abstract terms in themselves. But I'm sensing a person who's never been to China, knows very little about China to make such a statement.

Pornography has been banned. Is this a left wing or a right wing thing to do?

Of course Maoism is a disaster...all socialism is...

I am not playing politics here...just highlighting that the left has deadly and disaster policies.

Deng helped with the opening of China, but he keep the same socialist and oppressive policies for the people of China

Is all Socialism a disaster? China's not a disaster. Economically it's outstanding, doubling it's GDP every 8 years or so.

The left has "deadly and disaster policies" and so does the right. It's not to do with left or right, it's to do with individuals and the choices they make.

Deng kept the same socialist policies as Mao? Like what? I want specifics because I think you don't actually know.

Yes, and yes China is a disaster. Oppressing it's citizens and massive human rights abuses is a disaster. Poverty is a disaster. I can't believe you start a post by saying China is not a disaster then end it by talking about individualism.

Your hero Deng literally ran people over with tanks

 

[frigidweirdo]

They don't have the power because we maintain our rights...certainly the seperate branches help....if it w

The crime in China is caused by it's oppressive leftist Govt on the people, and it's not reported like traditional crime.

It's hard for a citizen to commit a crime, when they are already in a concentration camp

Well, they don't have power because the limits on power are maintained. But it's certainly getting shaky right now.

Well, China's government isn't really "leftist". It's an extreme form of government with right and left wing policies.

But people do commit crime. Maybe you haven't been to China, it's not that oppressive as long as you don't trample on politicians's careers.

I don't disagree that there is a massive push....and desire by the folks currently running the Federal Govt to not maintain those protections....many in the party in control view the Constitution as a bad thing....

No it's leftist..Mao was a leftist...it's a Socialist system

It's not oppressive unless you trample on the Govt? Gotcha...that's very oppressive

China isn't Maoist, they rejected Maoism (whatever the fuck that is, Mao was just an egotist who messed up a lot, didn't really have much of a plan) when Deng XiaoPing was in charge (but not in charge).

China officially calls itself Communist, but isn't because they're not moving towards Communism at all. Xi has decided, recently, that he needs to shore up his authority by going more Socialist. However this Socialism is pretty conservative, they ban tits on TV, even cleavage is banned, that's not left wing at all. Education isn't left wing, it's all about keeping people ignorant and malleable but producing people capable of making money. Women aren't considered equals, though officially they are, gay people aren't banned, but they're also not protected and will be attacked in subtle ways by the government.


China is what it is. It's not a free country. But it's not a place where everyone is worried they're going to be taken to the gulag either. If you don't understand what it's like to be in China, it's not my fault.

Maoism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Mao was the founded of the People's Republic of China...he's their George Washington...they did not reject him,

Dem leadership in the US, love him and admire him....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes-under-fire

Biden Quotes Mao Zedong to Explain Kamala Harris Pick

Joe Biden used a quote from brutal Chinese dictator Mao Zedong to explain his pick of Kamala Harris as his running mate during the ticket’s first public interview Sunday.When asked by ABC News’s Robin Roberts whether he felt “pressure to select a black woman,” Biden responded by saying he did...

www.yahoo.com

"


Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,” during which Mao’s regime caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people from 1958 to 1962.

From Mao to Obama

John Fund writes in The Wall Street Journal that Anita Dunn claims Mao Tse Tung is one of her favorite political philosophers.

www.wsj.com

I don't disagree that China isn't Communist...they are Socialist...and there is nothing Conservative about Socialism. Actually, today, they are more Fascist in nature then Socialist. Fascism is one step below Socialism

Come on, a little more reality here. You're playing nonsense politics.

Mao was the first leader of China, and China under Mao was a disaster. Under Deng Xiaoping, who Mao nearly killed, China started on its path to being an economic powerhouse it is today. Even Xi ran away from Mao's policies in the past. He's only embracing them now because they're convenient for him.

But China rejected everything about Maoism. Because Mao stood for chaos. China isn't chaos any more, it's organized and functions.

If you know anything about that Andy Warhol picture of Mao, you'd not have made the silly comment you made about Democrats loving him. It's such a nonsense comment it doesn't really require me to say much other than you shouldn't make such dumb comments.

You think there's nothing conservative about Socialism? Well that's your look out. Maybe when you've learned some more you'll realize how wrong you are.

What is right wing? What is left wing? They're pretty abstract terms in themselves. But I'm sensing a person who's never been to China, knows very little about China to make such a statement.

Pornography has been banned. Is this a left wing or a right wing thing to do?

Of course Maoism is a disaster...all socialism is...

I am not playing politics here...just highlighting that the left has deadly and disaster policies.

Deng helped with the opening of China, but he keep the same socialist and oppressive policies for the people of China

Is all Socialism a disaster? China's not a disaster. Economically it's outstanding, doubling it's GDP every 8 years or so.

The left has "deadly and disaster policies" and so does the right. It's not to do with left or right, it's to do with individuals and the choices they make.

Deng kept the same socialist policies as Mao? Like what? I want specifics because I think you don't actually know.

Yes, and yes China is a disaster. Oppressing it's citizens and massive human rights abuses is a disaster. Poverty is a disaster. I can't believe you start a post by saying China is not a disaster then end it by talking about individualism.

Your hero Deng literally ran people over with tanks

The problem here is that China is much further behind the US in terms of development. Really China started to grow from the mid 1970s.

What China is doing in Xinjiang and Tibet isn't much different to what the US did with the Native Americans.

China wants to have a society without conflict, so in Xinjiang it wants to make sure all the people are "Chinese". I don't agree with the way they're going about it, then again I didn't agree with the Trail of Tears, I don't agree with the way the US deals with Native Americans even today.

A lot of black people feel left out of the American Dream and it's not hard to see why. Something like 25% poverty for black people compared to 7% poverty for white people, the police in certain areas acting in an oppressive manner and the like.

China has done so much to end poverty since 1975 it's incredible. A high speed rail network that is the biggest in the world. New roads, new apartment building, new parks, infrastructure to allow GDP to double every EIGHT YEARS. It took the US about 20 years to achieve that.

China has good points, people who grew up in mud houses are now living in decent accommodation. It has bad points.

The US has good points and it has bad points.

Both China and the US are going to be a negative force on this planet in the next fifty years, using their power to fuck over smaller countries.

 

[Who_Me?]

Corporate double standard. Quick to condemn the voting law without realizing you profit from Chinese human rights abusers.

Hell you probably never even realize what is in the voting act. Oh and by the way, why are blacks complaining about a law that applies to all people? Anyone who is under 55 doesn't even know what real racism and Jim Crow is. Crying racism every time you don't like something dilutes any and all cases where real racism exists. Cry wolf and very soon you will be ignored completely.

 

[Utilitarian]

Well, the right to keep arms, or the right to own weapons. Constitutionally as long as the government doesn't take away all of your weapons, leaves you with ONE, then it hasn't infringed upon the Constitutional right to keep arms.

It's a problem. If you have a right to own property, then owning one thing fulfills this requirement.

No, unless you can demonstrate a numerical requirement in the Constitution...

Well with the 2A, the Constitution say the government can't prevent people from owning weapons. If you have one weapon, have you been prevented from owning weapons? No. Because you own a weapon.

That's not how the courts look at it. That would be like saying that allowing you to say one thing while censoring everything else means you have free speech.

Heller and McDonald established that individuals have the right to bear arms, which means that no government can block all ownership of weapons in an area. However, the ruling seems to mostly apply to handguns. Also, it didn't revoke the constitutionality of background checks.

Well, no, it's not.

Because the difference is that once something has been said, it disappears. Whereas a gun remains because it's a physical thing.

I don't know why you're talking about "bear arms", this has nothing to do with what I've said. I've spoken about ownership.

The right to bear arms is the right to be in the militia, and yes, I can prove it.

Here's some evidence Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

Once again, the courts have extended the meaning to include individuals. You can argue with the courts over that. I didn't make the rulings.

 

[Utilitarian]

I have no idea how many cavemen existed...so I have no idea how many were born. How many decided to give up some of their soveignty? Again...I have no clue....some certainly did...hence why we have societies

As to your next point...yes I do certainly think, at least in the United States, bound to the system that are forefathers already created. But you are free to certainly leave the United States...and denounce your citizenship.

Why is China system different then ours? Their Govt, like the lion, took their rights.

We have societies, and you are born into one, and the society you are born into already has rules. They don't ask you what your thoughts are when you're zero years old.

Some are free to leave the US, others aren't. Some can't get passports. Others can. The US govt can stop you leaving if it chooses to do so.

Some would say that the US govt and state govts take some of your rights and freedoms too.

Take voting. You can vote. It doesn't make much of a difference. In Wyoming you have 4 times the power than California in a Presidential election, in the House and state legislatures gerrymandering makes some people's vote pointless in other states, like North Carolina.

Chinese people are less likely to be robbed, murdered and things like that too.

The US govt has taught the Chinese a lot about how to run a ruthless government. Uighur genocide, hell, the US was doing that to black and Native American peoples a loooooong time ago.

As far as Chinese crime goes, whether you get robbed or killed has a lot to do with if you piss off the government or not, or if you're inconvenient (like the Uighurs).

China learned how to manipulate capitalism from us, but they had centuries of experience of genocide long before the US existed. We more likely learned that from them and from Europe.

Well, no. There's crime in China, like most other countries. It's just much lower than in places like the US.

The government does impose its policies on people, and they can be harsh at times and better than others. The US government has been pretty brutal, especially against the Native Americans and blacks.

The homicide is lower than ours, but property crime can be pretty high there, depending on the location. Also, the reporting of crime isn't as reliable there as it is in most of the US, since local officials are often rather corrupt.

Yes, our government has been brutal over time, but it hasn't been exceptionally so when compared to a lot of the world and a lot of history. The real issue with our government is its corruption. It's less corrupt than China, but it's more corrupt than much of the First World.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, the right to keep arms, or the right to own weapons. Constitutionally as long as the government doesn't take away all of your weapons, leaves you with ONE, then it hasn't infringed upon the Constitutional right to keep arms.

It's a problem. If you have a right to own property, then owning one thing fulfills this requirement.

No, unless you can demonstrate a numerical requirement in the Constitution...

Well with the 2A, the Constitution say the government can't prevent people from owning weapons. If you have one weapon, have you been prevented from owning weapons? No. Because you own a weapon.

That's not how the courts look at it. That would be like saying that allowing you to say one thing while censoring everything else means you have free speech.

Heller and McDonald established that individuals have the right to bear arms, which means that no government can block all ownership of weapons in an area. However, the ruling seems to mostly apply to handguns. Also, it didn't revoke the constitutionality of background checks.

Well, no, it's not.

Because the difference is that once something has been said, it disappears. Whereas a gun remains because it's a physical thing.

I don't know why you're talking about "bear arms", this has nothing to do with what I've said. I've spoken about ownership.

The right to bear arms is the right to be in the militia, and yes, I can prove it.

Here's some evidence Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

Once again, the courts have extended the meaning to include individuals. You can argue with the courts over that. I didn't make the rulings.

What are you talking about? How did you make it to talking about individuals? We weren't talking about individuals. I didn't say the 2A wasn't about individuals.

Try sticking to the topic.

 

[frigidweirdo]

I have no idea how many cavemen existed...so I have no idea how many were born. How many decided to give up some of their soveignty? Again...I have no clue....some certainly did...hence why we have societies

As to your next point...yes I do certainly think, at least in the United States, bound to the system that are forefathers already created. But you are free to certainly leave the United States...and denounce your citizenship.

Why is China system different then ours? Their Govt, like the lion, took their rights.

We have societies, and you are born into one, and the society you are born into already has rules. They don't ask you what your thoughts are when you're zero years old.

Some are free to leave the US, others aren't. Some can't get passports. Others can. The US govt can stop you leaving if it chooses to do so.

Some would say that the US govt and state govts take some of your rights and freedoms too.

Take voting. You can vote. It doesn't make much of a difference. In Wyoming you have 4 times the power than California in a Presidential election, in the House and state legislatures gerrymandering makes some people's vote pointless in other states, like North Carolina.

Chinese people are less likely to be robbed, murdered and things like that too.

The US govt has taught the Chinese a lot about how to run a ruthless government. Uighur genocide, hell, the US was doing that to black and Native American peoples a loooooong time ago.

As far as Chinese crime goes, whether you get robbed or killed has a lot to do with if you piss off the government or not, or if you're inconvenient (like the Uighurs).

China learned how to manipulate capitalism from us, but they had centuries of experience of genocide long before the US existed. We more likely learned that from them and from Europe.

Well, no. There's crime in China, like most other countries. It's just much lower than in places like the US.

The government does impose its policies on people, and they can be harsh at times and better than others. The US government has been pretty brutal, especially against the Native Americans and blacks.

The homicide is lower than ours, but property crime can be pretty high there, depending on the location. Also, the reporting of crime isn't as reliable there as it is in most of the US, since local officials are often rather corrupt.

Yes, our government has been brutal over time, but it hasn't been exceptionally so when compared to a lot of the world and a lot of history. The real issue with our government is its corruption. It's less corrupt than China, but it's more corrupt than much of the First World.

Property crime is high in China? Really?

And the US has been brutal. It's done a lot of killing especially post WW2.

 

[struth]

They don't have the power because we maintain our rights...certainly the seperate branches help....if it w

The crime in China is caused by it's oppressive leftist Govt on the people, and it's not reported like traditional crime.

It's hard for a citizen to commit a crime, when they are already in a concentration camp

Well, they don't have power because the limits on power are maintained. But it's certainly getting shaky right now.

Well, China's government isn't really "leftist". It's an extreme form of government with right and left wing policies.

But people do commit crime. Maybe you haven't been to China, it's not that oppressive as long as you don't trample on politicians's careers.

I don't disagree that there is a massive push....and desire by the folks currently running the Federal Govt to not maintain those protections....many in the party in control view the Constitution as a bad thing....

No it's leftist..Mao was a leftist...it's a Socialist system

It's not oppressive unless you trample on the Govt? Gotcha...that's very oppressive

China isn't Maoist, they rejected Maoism (whatever the fuck that is, Mao was just an egotist who messed up a lot, didn't really have much of a plan) when Deng XiaoPing was in charge (but not in charge).

China officially calls itself Communist, but isn't because they're not moving towards Communism at all. Xi has decided, recently, that he needs to shore up his authority by going more Socialist. However this Socialism is pretty conservative, they ban tits on TV, even cleavage is banned, that's not left wing at all. Education isn't left wing, it's all about keeping people ignorant and malleable but producing people capable of making money. Women aren't considered equals, though officially they are, gay people aren't banned, but they're also not protected and will be attacked in subtle ways by the government.


China is what it is. It's not a free country. But it's not a place where everyone is worried they're going to be taken to the gulag either. If you don't understand what it's like to be in China, it's not my fault.

Maoism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Mao was the founded of the People's Republic of China...he's their George Washington...they did not reject him,

Dem leadership in the US, love him and admire him....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes-under-fire

Biden Quotes Mao Zedong to Explain Kamala Harris Pick

Joe Biden used a quote from brutal Chinese dictator Mao Zedong to explain his pick of Kamala Harris as his running mate during the ticket’s first public interview Sunday.When asked by ABC News’s Robin Roberts whether he felt “pressure to select a black woman,” Biden responded by saying he did...

www.yahoo.com

"


Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,” during which Mao’s regime caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people from 1958 to 1962.

From Mao to Obama

John Fund writes in The Wall Street Journal that Anita Dunn claims Mao Tse Tung is one of her favorite political philosophers.

www.wsj.com

I don't disagree that China isn't Communist...they are Socialist...and there is nothing Conservative about Socialism. Actually, today, they are more Fascist in nature then Socialist. Fascism is one step below Socialism

Come on, a little more reality here. You're playing nonsense politics.

Mao was the first leader of China, and China under Mao was a disaster. Under Deng Xiaoping, who Mao nearly killed, China started on its path to being an economic powerhouse it is today. Even Xi ran away from Mao's policies in the past. He's only embracing them now because they're convenient for him.

But China rejected everything about Maoism. Because Mao stood for chaos. China isn't chaos any more, it's organized and functions.

If you know anything about that Andy Warhol picture of Mao, you'd not have made the silly comment you made about Democrats loving him. It's such a nonsense comment it doesn't really require me to say much other than you shouldn't make such dumb comments.

You think there's nothing conservative about Socialism? Well that's your look out. Maybe when you've learned some more you'll realize how wrong you are.

What is right wing? What is left wing? They're pretty abstract terms in themselves. But I'm sensing a person who's never been to China, knows very little about China to make such a statement.

Pornography has been banned. Is this a left wing or a right wing thing to do?

Of course Maoism is a disaster...all socialism is...

I am not playing politics here...just highlighting that the left has deadly and disaster policies.

Deng helped with the opening of China, but he keep the same socialist and oppressive policies for the people of China

Is all Socialism a disaster? China's not a disaster. Economically it's outstanding, doubling it's GDP every 8 years or so.

The left has "deadly and disaster policies" and so does the right. It's not to do with left or right, it's to do with individuals and the choices they make.

Deng kept the same socialist policies as Mao? Like what? I want specifics because I think you don't actually know.

Yes, and yes China is a disaster. Oppressing it's citizens and massive human rights abuses is a disaster. Poverty is a disaster. I can't believe you start a post by saying China is not a disaster then end it by talking about individualism.

Your hero Deng literally ran people over with tanks

The problem here is that China is much further behind the US in terms of development. Really China started to grow from the mid 1970s.

What China is doing in Xinjiang and Tibet isn't much different to what the US did with the Native Americans.

China wants to have a society without conflict, so in Xinjiang it wants to make sure all the people are "Chinese". I don't agree with the way they're going about it, then again I didn't agree with the Trail of Tears, I don't agree with the way the US deals with Native Americans even today.

A lot of black people feel left out of the American Dream and it's not hard to see why. Something like 25% poverty for black people compared to 7% poverty for white people, the police in certain areas acting in an oppressive manner and the like.

China has done so much to end poverty since 1975 it's incredible. A high speed rail network that is the biggest in the world. New roads, new apartment building, new parks, infrastructure to allow GDP to double every EIGHT YEARS. It took the US about 20 years to achieve that.

China has good points, people who grew up in mud houses are now living in decent accommodation. It has bad points.

The US has good points and it has bad points.

Both China and the US are going to be a negative force on this planet in the next fifty years, using their power to fuck over smaller countries.

haha China is an oppressive regime it's socialist policies have created poverty like no other, and made it far behind the US in terms of development.

It's drastically more poor then the US and frankly has been around massively longer...the reason it's behind is leftwing Govt.

 

[frigidweirdo]

They don't have the power because we maintain our rights...certainly the seperate branches help....if it w

The crime in China is caused by it's oppressive leftist Govt on the people, and it's not reported like traditional crime.

It's hard for a citizen to commit a crime, when they are already in a concentration camp

Well, they don't have power because the limits on power are maintained. But it's certainly getting shaky right now.

Well, China's government isn't really "leftist". It's an extreme form of government with right and left wing policies.

But people do commit crime. Maybe you haven't been to China, it's not that oppressive as long as you don't trample on politicians's careers.

I don't disagree that there is a massive push....and desire by the folks currently running the Federal Govt to not maintain those protections....many in the party in control view the Constitution as a bad thing....

No it's leftist..Mao was a leftist...it's a Socialist system

It's not oppressive unless you trample on the Govt? Gotcha...that's very oppressive

China isn't Maoist, they rejected Maoism (whatever the fuck that is, Mao was just an egotist who messed up a lot, didn't really have much of a plan) when Deng XiaoPing was in charge (but not in charge).

China officially calls itself Communist, but isn't because they're not moving towards Communism at all. Xi has decided, recently, that he needs to shore up his authority by going more Socialist. However this Socialism is pretty conservative, they ban tits on TV, even cleavage is banned, that's not left wing at all. Education isn't left wing, it's all about keeping people ignorant and malleable but producing people capable of making money. Women aren't considered equals, though officially they are, gay people aren't banned, but they're also not protected and will be attacked in subtle ways by the government.


China is what it is. It's not a free country. But it's not a place where everyone is worried they're going to be taken to the gulag either. If you don't understand what it's like to be in China, it's not my fault.

Maoism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Mao was the founded of the People's Republic of China...he's their George Washington...they did not reject him,

Dem leadership in the US, love him and admire him....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes-under-fire

Biden Quotes Mao Zedong to Explain Kamala Harris Pick

Joe Biden used a quote from brutal Chinese dictator Mao Zedong to explain his pick of Kamala Harris as his running mate during the ticket’s first public interview Sunday.When asked by ABC News’s Robin Roberts whether he felt “pressure to select a black woman,” Biden responded by saying he did...

www.yahoo.com

"


Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,” during which Mao’s regime caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people from 1958 to 1962.

From Mao to Obama

John Fund writes in The Wall Street Journal that Anita Dunn claims Mao Tse Tung is one of her favorite political philosophers.

www.wsj.com

I don't disagree that China isn't Communist...they are Socialist...and there is nothing Conservative about Socialism. Actually, today, they are more Fascist in nature then Socialist. Fascism is one step below Socialism

Come on, a little more reality here. You're playing nonsense politics.

Mao was the first leader of China, and China under Mao was a disaster. Under Deng Xiaoping, who Mao nearly killed, China started on its path to being an economic powerhouse it is today. Even Xi ran away from Mao's policies in the past. He's only embracing them now because they're convenient for him.

But China rejected everything about Maoism. Because Mao stood for chaos. China isn't chaos any more, it's organized and functions.

If you know anything about that Andy Warhol picture of Mao, you'd not have made the silly comment you made about Democrats loving him. It's such a nonsense comment it doesn't really require me to say much other than you shouldn't make such dumb comments.

You think there's nothing conservative about Socialism? Well that's your look out. Maybe when you've learned some more you'll realize how wrong you are.

What is right wing? What is left wing? They're pretty abstract terms in themselves. But I'm sensing a person who's never been to China, knows very little about China to make such a statement.

Pornography has been banned. Is this a left wing or a right wing thing to do?

Of course Maoism is a disaster...all socialism is...

I am not playing politics here...just highlighting that the left has deadly and disaster policies.

Deng helped with the opening of China, but he keep the same socialist and oppressive policies for the people of China

Is all Socialism a disaster? China's not a disaster. Economically it's outstanding, doubling it's GDP every 8 years or so.

The left has "deadly and disaster policies" and so does the right. It's not to do with left or right, it's to do with individuals and the choices they make.

Deng kept the same socialist policies as Mao? Like what? I want specifics because I think you don't actually know.

Yes, and yes China is a disaster. Oppressing it's citizens and massive human rights abuses is a disaster. Poverty is a disaster. I can't believe you start a post by saying China is not a disaster then end it by talking about individualism.

Your hero Deng literally ran people over with tanks

The problem here is that China is much further behind the US in terms of development. Really China started to grow from the mid 1970s.

What China is doing in Xinjiang and Tibet isn't much different to what the US did with the Native Americans.

China wants to have a society without conflict, so in Xinjiang it wants to make sure all the people are "Chinese". I don't agree with the way they're going about it, then again I didn't agree with the Trail of Tears, I don't agree with the way the US deals with Native Americans even today.

A lot of black people feel left out of the American Dream and it's not hard to see why. Something like 25% poverty for black people compared to 7% poverty for white people, the police in certain areas acting in an oppressive manner and the like.

China has done so much to end poverty since 1975 it's incredible. A high speed rail network that is the biggest in the world. New roads, new apartment building, new parks, infrastructure to allow GDP to double every EIGHT YEARS. It took the US about 20 years to achieve that.

China has good points, people who grew up in mud houses are now living in decent accommodation. It has bad points.

The US has good points and it has bad points.

Both China and the US are going to be a negative force on this planet in the next fifty years, using their power to fuck over smaller countries.

haha China is an oppressive regime it's socialist policies have created poverty like no other, and made it far behind the US in terms of development.

It's drastically more poor then the US and frankly has been around massively longer...the reason it's behind is leftwing Govt.

You're just making things up.

China has actually REDUCED its socialist policies in the past. Only now has Xi decided to shore up his power base by making a new city that is based on Socialist values.

China plans to build new city nearly three times the size of New York

Announcement of the Xiongan New Area leads to a frenzy of property speculation with investors clogging roads to get to site

www.theguardian.com

Xiongan (said like she-ong-an) is going to be totally owned by the government, people can rent and work for socialist businesses.

Prior to this China got rid of state farms and state businesses in quite large numbers. There are still enough of them, like steel manufacturers and the like, but mostly China is capitalist.

As for poverty, it's decreased a lot.

China Poverty Rate 1990-2023

Poverty headcount ratio at $5.50 a day is the percentage of the population living on less than $5.50 a day at 2011 international prices. As a result of revisions in PPP exchange rates, poverty rates for individual countries cannot be compared with poverty rates reported in earlier editions.

www.macrotrends.net

• "China poverty rate for 2016 was 24.00%, a 3.2% decline from 2015.
• China poverty rate for 2015 was 27.20%, a 4.3% decline from 2014.
• China poverty rate for 2014 was 31.50%, a 4.9% decline from 2013.
• China poverty rate for 2013 was 36.40%, a 8% decline from 2012"
  
  And anyone who knows China, knows this is the case. Compare India and China, it's incredible the difference. China is more or less a first world country in the cities, and the country is catching up massively. A lot of old homes are being replaced with modern concrete homes.
  
  Yes, China is poorer than the US. Of course it is. It was a backwards third world country in 1975 when Mao disappeared. But since then they've move forwards, developed a lot. Infrastructure is sometimes BETTER than the US has, especially their train network.
  
  People have hope, they're moving out of poverty. Their average GDP is still low, but then living costs are much, much lower. You can live for $500 a month in a second tier city easily and save money or buy an apartment.
  
  The problem I have is that most people's view of China is WRONG. And you're not showing me anything different.

 

[struth]

They don't have the power because we maintain our rights...certainly the seperate branches help....if it w

The crime in China is caused by it's oppressive leftist Govt on the people, and it's not reported like traditional crime.

It's hard for a citizen to commit a crime, when they are already in a concentration camp

Well, they don't have power because the limits on power are maintained. But it's certainly getting shaky right now.

Well, China's government isn't really "leftist". It's an extreme form of government with right and left wing policies.

But people do commit crime. Maybe you haven't been to China, it's not that oppressive as long as you don't trample on politicians's careers.

I don't disagree that there is a massive push....and desire by the folks currently running the Federal Govt to not maintain those protections....many in the party in control view the Constitution as a bad thing....

No it's leftist..Mao was a leftist...it's a Socialist system

It's not oppressive unless you trample on the Govt? Gotcha...that's very oppressive

China isn't Maoist, they rejected Maoism (whatever the fuck that is, Mao was just an egotist who messed up a lot, didn't really have much of a plan) when Deng XiaoPing was in charge (but not in charge).

China officially calls itself Communist, but isn't because they're not moving towards Communism at all. Xi has decided, recently, that he needs to shore up his authority by going more Socialist. However this Socialism is pretty conservative, they ban tits on TV, even cleavage is banned, that's not left wing at all. Education isn't left wing, it's all about keeping people ignorant and malleable but producing people capable of making money. Women aren't considered equals, though officially they are, gay people aren't banned, but they're also not protected and will be attacked in subtle ways by the government.


China is what it is. It's not a free country. But it's not a place where everyone is worried they're going to be taken to the gulag either. If you don't understand what it's like to be in China, it's not my fault.

Maoism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Mao was the founded of the People's Republic of China...he's their George Washington...they did not reject him,

Dem leadership in the US, love him and admire him....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes-under-fire

Biden Quotes Mao Zedong to Explain Kamala Harris Pick

Joe Biden used a quote from brutal Chinese dictator Mao Zedong to explain his pick of Kamala Harris as his running mate during the ticket’s first public interview Sunday.When asked by ABC News’s Robin Roberts whether he felt “pressure to select a black woman,” Biden responded by saying he did...

www.yahoo.com

"


Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,” during which Mao’s regime caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people from 1958 to 1962.

From Mao to Obama

John Fund writes in The Wall Street Journal that Anita Dunn claims Mao Tse Tung is one of her favorite political philosophers.

www.wsj.com

I don't disagree that China isn't Communist...they are Socialist...and there is nothing Conservative about Socialism. Actually, today, they are more Fascist in nature then Socialist. Fascism is one step below Socialism

Come on, a little more reality here. You're playing nonsense politics.

Mao was the first leader of China, and China under Mao was a disaster. Under Deng Xiaoping, who Mao nearly killed, China started on its path to being an economic powerhouse it is today. Even Xi ran away from Mao's policies in the past. He's only embracing them now because they're convenient for him.

But China rejected everything about Maoism. Because Mao stood for chaos. China isn't chaos any more, it's organized and functions.

If you know anything about that Andy Warhol picture of Mao, you'd not have made the silly comment you made about Democrats loving him. It's such a nonsense comment it doesn't really require me to say much other than you shouldn't make such dumb comments.

You think there's nothing conservative about Socialism? Well that's your look out. Maybe when you've learned some more you'll realize how wrong you are.

What is right wing? What is left wing? They're pretty abstract terms in themselves. But I'm sensing a person who's never been to China, knows very little about China to make such a statement.

Pornography has been banned. Is this a left wing or a right wing thing to do?

Of course Maoism is a disaster...all socialism is...

I am not playing politics here...just highlighting that the left has deadly and disaster policies.

Deng helped with the opening of China, but he keep the same socialist and oppressive policies for the people of China

Is all Socialism a disaster? China's not a disaster. Economically it's outstanding, doubling it's GDP every 8 years or so.

The left has "deadly and disaster policies" and so does the right. It's not to do with left or right, it's to do with individuals and the choices they make.

Deng kept the same socialist policies as Mao? Like what? I want specifics because I think you don't actually know.

Yes, and yes China is a disaster. Oppressing it's citizens and massive human rights abuses is a disaster. Poverty is a disaster. I can't believe you start a post by saying China is not a disaster then end it by talking about individualism.

Your hero Deng literally ran people over with tanks

The problem here is that China is much further behind the US in terms of development. Really China started to grow from the mid 1970s.

What China is doing in Xinjiang and Tibet isn't much different to what the US did with the Native Americans.

China wants to have a society without conflict, so in Xinjiang it wants to make sure all the people are "Chinese". I don't agree with the way they're going about it, then again I didn't agree with the Trail of Tears, I don't agree with the way the US deals with Native Americans even today.

A lot of black people feel left out of the American Dream and it's not hard to see why. Something like 25% poverty for black people compared to 7% poverty for white people, the police in certain areas acting in an oppressive manner and the like.

China has done so much to end poverty since 1975 it's incredible. A high speed rail network that is the biggest in the world. New roads, new apartment building, new parks, infrastructure to allow GDP to double every EIGHT YEARS. It took the US about 20 years to achieve that.

China has good points, people who grew up in mud houses are now living in decent accommodation. It has bad points.

The US has good points and it has bad points.

Both China and the US are going to be a negative force on this planet in the next fifty years, using their power to fuck over smaller countries.

haha China is an oppressive regime it's socialist policies have created poverty like no other, and made it far behind the US in terms of development.

It's drastically more poor then the US and frankly has been around massively longer...the reason it's behind is leftwing Govt.

You're just making things up.

China has actually REDUCED its socialist policies in the past. Only now has Xi decided to shore up his power base by making a new city that is based on Socialist values.

China plans to build new city nearly three times the size of New York

Announcement of the Xiongan New Area leads to a frenzy of property speculation with investors clogging roads to get to site

www.theguardian.com

Xiongan (said like she-ong-an) is going to be totally owned by the government, people can rent and work for socialist businesses.

Prior to this China got rid of state farms and state businesses in quite large numbers. There are still enough of them, like steel manufacturers and the like, but mostly China is capitalist.

As for poverty, it's decreased a lot.

China Poverty Rate 1990-2023

Poverty headcount ratio at $5.50 a day is the percentage of the population living on less than $5.50 a day at 2011 international prices. As a result of revisions in PPP exchange rates, poverty rates for individual countries cannot be compared with poverty rates reported in earlier editions.

www.macrotrends.net

• "China poverty rate for 2016 was 24.00%, a 3.2% decline from 2015.
• China poverty rate for 2015 was 27.20%, a 4.3% decline from 2014.
• China poverty rate for 2014 was 31.50%, a 4.9% decline from 2013.
• China poverty rate for 2013 was 36.40%, a 8% decline from 2012"
  
  And anyone who knows China, knows this is the case. Compare India and China, it's incredible the difference. China is more or less a first world country in the cities, and the country is catching up massively. A lot of old homes are being replaced with modern concrete homes.
  
  Yes, China is poorer than the US. Of course it is. It was a backwards third world country in 1975 when Mao disappeared. But since then they've move forwards, developed a lot. Infrastructure is sometimes BETTER than the US has, especially their train network.
  
  People have hope, they're moving out of poverty. Their average GDP is still low, but then living costs are much, much lower. You can live for $500 a month in a second tier city easily and save money or buy an apartment.
  
  The problem I have is that most people's view of China is WRONG. And you're not showing me anything different.

What am I making up? Yes, it's become more Fascist because the Socialist policies were causing massive poverty.

hahah yeah you can live on $500 a month in a "second-tier" city...hahahh

Folks in the US can live on $500 a month too...we call them POOR.

 

[Utilitarian]

Well, the right to keep arms, or the right to own weapons. Constitutionally as long as the government doesn't take away all of your weapons, leaves you with ONE, then it hasn't infringed upon the Constitutional right to keep arms.

It's a problem. If you have a right to own property, then owning one thing fulfills this requirement.

No, unless you can demonstrate a numerical requirement in the Constitution...

Well with the 2A, the Constitution say the government can't prevent people from owning weapons. If you have one weapon, have you been prevented from owning weapons? No. Because you own a weapon.

That's not how the courts look at it. That would be like saying that allowing you to say one thing while censoring everything else means you have free speech.

Heller and McDonald established that individuals have the right to bear arms, which means that no government can block all ownership of weapons in an area. However, the ruling seems to mostly apply to handguns. Also, it didn't revoke the constitutionality of background checks.

Well, no, it's not.

Because the difference is that once something has been said, it disappears. Whereas a gun remains because it's a physical thing.

I don't know why you're talking about "bear arms", this has nothing to do with what I've said. I've spoken about ownership.

The right to bear arms is the right to be in the militia, and yes, I can prove it.

Here's some evidence Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

Once again, the courts have extended the meaning to include individuals. You can argue with the courts over that. I didn't make the rulings.

What are you talking about? How did you make it to talking about individuals? We weren't talking about individuals. I didn't say the 2A wasn't about individuals.

Try sticking to the topic.

It's hard to stick to the topic when you keep stating falsehoods. Ownership of weapons is something protected by the rulings I mentioned, and no, you don't have to be in a militia. The government cannot seize your weapons from you if you have legally obtained them, have not committed any violent crimes, aren't under investigation for such, or aren't mentally ill.

The ATF will sometimes cross this line, but ultimately, they have to backtrack if they are taken to court or can't prosecute you over some technicality.

 

[Utilitarian]

I have no idea how many cavemen existed...so I have no idea how many were born. How many decided to give up some of their soveignty? Again...I have no clue....some certainly did...hence why we have societies

As to your next point...yes I do certainly think, at least in the United States, bound to the system that are forefathers already created. But you are free to certainly leave the United States...and denounce your citizenship.

Why is China system different then ours? Their Govt, like the lion, took their rights.

We have societies, and you are born into one, and the society you are born into already has rules. They don't ask you what your thoughts are when you're zero years old.

Some are free to leave the US, others aren't. Some can't get passports. Others can. The US govt can stop you leaving if it chooses to do so.

Some would say that the US govt and state govts take some of your rights and freedoms too.

Take voting. You can vote. It doesn't make much of a difference. In Wyoming you have 4 times the power than California in a Presidential election, in the House and state legislatures gerrymandering makes some people's vote pointless in other states, like North Carolina.

Chinese people are less likely to be robbed, murdered and things like that too.

The US govt has taught the Chinese a lot about how to run a ruthless government. Uighur genocide, hell, the US was doing that to black and Native American peoples a loooooong time ago.

As far as Chinese crime goes, whether you get robbed or killed has a lot to do with if you piss off the government or not, or if you're inconvenient (like the Uighurs).

China learned how to manipulate capitalism from us, but they had centuries of experience of genocide long before the US existed. We more likely learned that from them and from Europe.

Well, no. There's crime in China, like most other countries. It's just much lower than in places like the US.

The government does impose its policies on people, and they can be harsh at times and better than others. The US government has been pretty brutal, especially against the Native Americans and blacks.

The homicide is lower than ours, but property crime can be pretty high there, depending on the location. Also, the reporting of crime isn't as reliable there as it is in most of the US, since local officials are often rather corrupt.

Yes, our government has been brutal over time, but it hasn't been exceptionally so when compared to a lot of the world and a lot of history. The real issue with our government is its corruption. It's less corrupt than China, but it's more corrupt than much of the First World.

Property crime is high in China? Really?

And the US has been brutal. It's done a lot of killing especially post WW2.

I could name several examples, but let's go with Anshan. Here's a good summary: Crime in Anshan

The US has gotten involved in plenty of wars, for sure.

 

[frigidweirdo]

They don't have the power because we maintain our rights...certainly the seperate branches help....if it w

The crime in China is caused by it's oppressive leftist Govt on the people, and it's not reported like traditional crime.

It's hard for a citizen to commit a crime, when they are already in a concentration camp

Well, they don't have power because the limits on power are maintained. But it's certainly getting shaky right now.

Well, China's government isn't really "leftist". It's an extreme form of government with right and left wing policies.

But people do commit crime. Maybe you haven't been to China, it's not that oppressive as long as you don't trample on politicians's careers.

I don't disagree that there is a massive push....and desire by the folks currently running the Federal Govt to not maintain those protections....many in the party in control view the Constitution as a bad thing....

No it's leftist..Mao was a leftist...it's a Socialist system

It's not oppressive unless you trample on the Govt? Gotcha...that's very oppressive

China isn't Maoist, they rejected Maoism (whatever the fuck that is, Mao was just an egotist who messed up a lot, didn't really have much of a plan) when Deng XiaoPing was in charge (but not in charge).

China officially calls itself Communist, but isn't because they're not moving towards Communism at all. Xi has decided, recently, that he needs to shore up his authority by going more Socialist. However this Socialism is pretty conservative, they ban tits on TV, even cleavage is banned, that's not left wing at all. Education isn't left wing, it's all about keeping people ignorant and malleable but producing people capable of making money. Women aren't considered equals, though officially they are, gay people aren't banned, but they're also not protected and will be attacked in subtle ways by the government.


China is what it is. It's not a free country. But it's not a place where everyone is worried they're going to be taken to the gulag either. If you don't understand what it's like to be in China, it's not my fault.

Maoism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Mao was the founded of the People's Republic of China...he's their George Washington...they did not reject him,

Dem leadership in the US, love him and admire him....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes-under-fire

Biden Quotes Mao Zedong to Explain Kamala Harris Pick

Joe Biden used a quote from brutal Chinese dictator Mao Zedong to explain his pick of Kamala Harris as his running mate during the ticket’s first public interview Sunday.When asked by ABC News’s Robin Roberts whether he felt “pressure to select a black woman,” Biden responded by saying he did...

www.yahoo.com

"


Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,” during which Mao’s regime caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people from 1958 to 1962.

From Mao to Obama

John Fund writes in The Wall Street Journal that Anita Dunn claims Mao Tse Tung is one of her favorite political philosophers.

www.wsj.com

I don't disagree that China isn't Communist...they are Socialist...and there is nothing Conservative about Socialism. Actually, today, they are more Fascist in nature then Socialist. Fascism is one step below Socialism

Come on, a little more reality here. You're playing nonsense politics.

Mao was the first leader of China, and China under Mao was a disaster. Under Deng Xiaoping, who Mao nearly killed, China started on its path to being an economic powerhouse it is today. Even Xi ran away from Mao's policies in the past. He's only embracing them now because they're convenient for him.

But China rejected everything about Maoism. Because Mao stood for chaos. China isn't chaos any more, it's organized and functions.

If you know anything about that Andy Warhol picture of Mao, you'd not have made the silly comment you made about Democrats loving him. It's such a nonsense comment it doesn't really require me to say much other than you shouldn't make such dumb comments.

You think there's nothing conservative about Socialism? Well that's your look out. Maybe when you've learned some more you'll realize how wrong you are.

What is right wing? What is left wing? They're pretty abstract terms in themselves. But I'm sensing a person who's never been to China, knows very little about China to make such a statement.

Pornography has been banned. Is this a left wing or a right wing thing to do?

Of course Maoism is a disaster...all socialism is...

I am not playing politics here...just highlighting that the left has deadly and disaster policies.

Deng helped with the opening of China, but he keep the same socialist and oppressive policies for the people of China

Is all Socialism a disaster? China's not a disaster. Economically it's outstanding, doubling it's GDP every 8 years or so.

The left has "deadly and disaster policies" and so does the right. It's not to do with left or right, it's to do with individuals and the choices they make.

Deng kept the same socialist policies as Mao? Like what? I want specifics because I think you don't actually know.

Yes, and yes China is a disaster. Oppressing it's citizens and massive human rights abuses is a disaster. Poverty is a disaster. I can't believe you start a post by saying China is not a disaster then end it by talking about individualism.

Your hero Deng literally ran people over with tanks

The problem here is that China is much further behind the US in terms of development. Really China started to grow from the mid 1970s.

What China is doing in Xinjiang and Tibet isn't much different to what the US did with the Native Americans.

China wants to have a society without conflict, so in Xinjiang it wants to make sure all the people are "Chinese". I don't agree with the way they're going about it, then again I didn't agree with the Trail of Tears, I don't agree with the way the US deals with Native Americans even today.

A lot of black people feel left out of the American Dream and it's not hard to see why. Something like 25% poverty for black people compared to 7% poverty for white people, the police in certain areas acting in an oppressive manner and the like.

China has done so much to end poverty since 1975 it's incredible. A high speed rail network that is the biggest in the world. New roads, new apartment building, new parks, infrastructure to allow GDP to double every EIGHT YEARS. It took the US about 20 years to achieve that.

China has good points, people who grew up in mud houses are now living in decent accommodation. It has bad points.

The US has good points and it has bad points.

Both China and the US are going to be a negative force on this planet in the next fifty years, using their power to fuck over smaller countries.

haha China is an oppressive regime it's socialist policies have created poverty like no other, and made it far behind the US in terms of development.

It's drastically more poor then the US and frankly has been around massively longer...the reason it's behind is leftwing Govt.

You're just making things up.

China has actually REDUCED its socialist policies in the past. Only now has Xi decided to shore up his power base by making a new city that is based on Socialist values.

China plans to build new city nearly three times the size of New York

Announcement of the Xiongan New Area leads to a frenzy of property speculation with investors clogging roads to get to site

www.theguardian.com

Xiongan (said like she-ong-an) is going to be totally owned by the government, people can rent and work for socialist businesses.

Prior to this China got rid of state farms and state businesses in quite large numbers. There are still enough of them, like steel manufacturers and the like, but mostly China is capitalist.

As for poverty, it's decreased a lot.

China Poverty Rate 1990-2023

Poverty headcount ratio at $5.50 a day is the percentage of the population living on less than $5.50 a day at 2011 international prices. As a result of revisions in PPP exchange rates, poverty rates for individual countries cannot be compared with poverty rates reported in earlier editions.

www.macrotrends.net

• "China poverty rate for 2016 was 24.00%, a 3.2% decline from 2015.
• China poverty rate for 2015 was 27.20%, a 4.3% decline from 2014.
• China poverty rate for 2014 was 31.50%, a 4.9% decline from 2013.
• China poverty rate for 2013 was 36.40%, a 8% decline from 2012"
  
  And anyone who knows China, knows this is the case. Compare India and China, it's incredible the difference. China is more or less a first world country in the cities, and the country is catching up massively. A lot of old homes are being replaced with modern concrete homes.
  
  Yes, China is poorer than the US. Of course it is. It was a backwards third world country in 1975 when Mao disappeared. But since then they've move forwards, developed a lot. Infrastructure is sometimes BETTER than the US has, especially their train network.
  
  People have hope, they're moving out of poverty. Their average GDP is still low, but then living costs are much, much lower. You can live for $500 a month in a second tier city easily and save money or buy an apartment.
  
  The problem I have is that most people's view of China is WRONG. And you're not showing me anything different.

What am I making up? Yes, it's become more Fascist because the Socialist policies were causing massive poverty.

hahah yeah you can live on $500 a month in a "second-tier" city...hahahh

Folks in the US can live on $500 a month too...we call them POOR.

I don't see anything worth commenting on here.

 

[frigidweirdo]

Well, the right to keep arms, or the right to own weapons. Constitutionally as long as the government doesn't take away all of your weapons, leaves you with ONE, then it hasn't infringed upon the Constitutional right to keep arms.

It's a problem. If you have a right to own property, then owning one thing fulfills this requirement.

No, unless you can demonstrate a numerical requirement in the Constitution...

Well with the 2A, the Constitution say the government can't prevent people from owning weapons. If you have one weapon, have you been prevented from owning weapons? No. Because you own a weapon.

That's not how the courts look at it. That would be like saying that allowing you to say one thing while censoring everything else means you have free speech.

Heller and McDonald established that individuals have the right to bear arms, which means that no government can block all ownership of weapons in an area. However, the ruling seems to mostly apply to handguns. Also, it didn't revoke the constitutionality of background checks.

Well, no, it's not.

Because the difference is that once something has been said, it disappears. Whereas a gun remains because it's a physical thing.

I don't know why you're talking about "bear arms", this has nothing to do with what I've said. I've spoken about ownership.

The right to bear arms is the right to be in the militia, and yes, I can prove it.

Here's some evidence Amendment II: House of Representatives, Amendments to the Constitution

Once again, the courts have extended the meaning to include individuals. You can argue with the courts over that. I didn't make the rulings.

What are you talking about? How did you make it to talking about individuals? We weren't talking about individuals. I didn't say the 2A wasn't about individuals.

Try sticking to the topic.

It's hard to stick to the topic when you keep stating falsehoods. Ownership of weapons is something protected by the rulings I mentioned, and no, you don't have to be in a militia. The government cannot seize your weapons from you if you have legally obtained them, have not committed any violent crimes, aren't under investigation for such, or aren't mentally ill.

The ATF will sometimes cross this line, but ultimately, they have to backtrack if they are taken to court or can't prosecute you over some technicality.

I can't deal with a conversation that's flipping around like a moth around a fire.

 

[struth]

They don't have the power because we maintain our rights...certainly the seperate branches help....if it w

The crime in China is caused by it's oppressive leftist Govt on the people, and it's not reported like traditional crime.

It's hard for a citizen to commit a crime, when they are already in a concentration camp

Well, they don't have power because the limits on power are maintained. But it's certainly getting shaky right now.

Well, China's government isn't really "leftist". It's an extreme form of government with right and left wing policies.

But people do commit crime. Maybe you haven't been to China, it's not that oppressive as long as you don't trample on politicians's careers.

I don't disagree that there is a massive push....and desire by the folks currently running the Federal Govt to not maintain those protections....many in the party in control view the Constitution as a bad thing....

No it's leftist..Mao was a leftist...it's a Socialist system

It's not oppressive unless you trample on the Govt? Gotcha...that's very oppressive

China isn't Maoist, they rejected Maoism (whatever the fuck that is, Mao was just an egotist who messed up a lot, didn't really have much of a plan) when Deng XiaoPing was in charge (but not in charge).

China officially calls itself Communist, but isn't because they're not moving towards Communism at all. Xi has decided, recently, that he needs to shore up his authority by going more Socialist. However this Socialism is pretty conservative, they ban tits on TV, even cleavage is banned, that's not left wing at all. Education isn't left wing, it's all about keeping people ignorant and malleable but producing people capable of making money. Women aren't considered equals, though officially they are, gay people aren't banned, but they're also not protected and will be attacked in subtle ways by the government.


China is what it is. It's not a free country. But it's not a place where everyone is worried they're going to be taken to the gulag either. If you don't understand what it's like to be in China, it's not my fault.

Maoism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Mao was the founded of the People's Republic of China...he's their George Washington...they did not reject him,

Dem leadership in the US, love him and admire him....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes-under-fire

Biden Quotes Mao Zedong to Explain Kamala Harris Pick

Joe Biden used a quote from brutal Chinese dictator Mao Zedong to explain his pick of Kamala Harris as his running mate during the ticket’s first public interview Sunday.When asked by ABC News’s Robin Roberts whether he felt “pressure to select a black woman,” Biden responded by saying he did...

www.yahoo.com

"


Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,” during which Mao’s regime caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people from 1958 to 1962.

From Mao to Obama

John Fund writes in The Wall Street Journal that Anita Dunn claims Mao Tse Tung is one of her favorite political philosophers.

www.wsj.com

I don't disagree that China isn't Communist...they are Socialist...and there is nothing Conservative about Socialism. Actually, today, they are more Fascist in nature then Socialist. Fascism is one step below Socialism

Come on, a little more reality here. You're playing nonsense politics.

Mao was the first leader of China, and China under Mao was a disaster. Under Deng Xiaoping, who Mao nearly killed, China started on its path to being an economic powerhouse it is today. Even Xi ran away from Mao's policies in the past. He's only embracing them now because they're convenient for him.

But China rejected everything about Maoism. Because Mao stood for chaos. China isn't chaos any more, it's organized and functions.

If you know anything about that Andy Warhol picture of Mao, you'd not have made the silly comment you made about Democrats loving him. It's such a nonsense comment it doesn't really require me to say much other than you shouldn't make such dumb comments.

You think there's nothing conservative about Socialism? Well that's your look out. Maybe when you've learned some more you'll realize how wrong you are.

What is right wing? What is left wing? They're pretty abstract terms in themselves. But I'm sensing a person who's never been to China, knows very little about China to make such a statement.

Pornography has been banned. Is this a left wing or a right wing thing to do?

Of course Maoism is a disaster...all socialism is...

I am not playing politics here...just highlighting that the left has deadly and disaster policies.

Deng helped with the opening of China, but he keep the same socialist and oppressive policies for the people of China

Is all Socialism a disaster? China's not a disaster. Economically it's outstanding, doubling it's GDP every 8 years or so.

The left has "deadly and disaster policies" and so does the right. It's not to do with left or right, it's to do with individuals and the choices they make.

Deng kept the same socialist policies as Mao? Like what? I want specifics because I think you don't actually know.

Yes, and yes China is a disaster. Oppressing it's citizens and massive human rights abuses is a disaster. Poverty is a disaster. I can't believe you start a post by saying China is not a disaster then end it by talking about individualism.

Your hero Deng literally ran people over with tanks

The problem here is that China is much further behind the US in terms of development. Really China started to grow from the mid 1970s.

What China is doing in Xinjiang and Tibet isn't much different to what the US did with the Native Americans.

China wants to have a society without conflict, so in Xinjiang it wants to make sure all the people are "Chinese". I don't agree with the way they're going about it, then again I didn't agree with the Trail of Tears, I don't agree with the way the US deals with Native Americans even today.

A lot of black people feel left out of the American Dream and it's not hard to see why. Something like 25% poverty for black people compared to 7% poverty for white people, the police in certain areas acting in an oppressive manner and the like.

China has done so much to end poverty since 1975 it's incredible. A high speed rail network that is the biggest in the world. New roads, new apartment building, new parks, infrastructure to allow GDP to double every EIGHT YEARS. It took the US about 20 years to achieve that.

China has good points, people who grew up in mud houses are now living in decent accommodation. It has bad points.

The US has good points and it has bad points.

Both China and the US are going to be a negative force on this planet in the next fifty years, using their power to fuck over smaller countries.

haha China is an oppressive regime it's socialist policies have created poverty like no other, and made it far behind the US in terms of development.

It's drastically more poor then the US and frankly has been around massively longer...the reason it's behind is leftwing Govt.

You're just making things up.

China has actually REDUCED its socialist policies in the past. Only now has Xi decided to shore up his power base by making a new city that is based on Socialist values.

China plans to build new city nearly three times the size of New York

Announcement of the Xiongan New Area leads to a frenzy of property speculation with investors clogging roads to get to site

www.theguardian.com

Xiongan (said like she-ong-an) is going to be totally owned by the government, people can rent and work for socialist businesses.

Prior to this China got rid of state farms and state businesses in quite large numbers. There are still enough of them, like steel manufacturers and the like, but mostly China is capitalist.

As for poverty, it's decreased a lot.

China Poverty Rate 1990-2023

Poverty headcount ratio at $5.50 a day is the percentage of the population living on less than $5.50 a day at 2011 international prices. As a result of revisions in PPP exchange rates, poverty rates for individual countries cannot be compared with poverty rates reported in earlier editions.

www.macrotrends.net

• "China poverty rate for 2016 was 24.00%, a 3.2% decline from 2015.
• China poverty rate for 2015 was 27.20%, a 4.3% decline from 2014.
• China poverty rate for 2014 was 31.50%, a 4.9% decline from 2013.
• China poverty rate for 2013 was 36.40%, a 8% decline from 2012"
  
  And anyone who knows China, knows this is the case. Compare India and China, it's incredible the difference. China is more or less a first world country in the cities, and the country is catching up massively. A lot of old homes are being replaced with modern concrete homes.
  
  Yes, China is poorer than the US. Of course it is. It was a backwards third world country in 1975 when Mao disappeared. But since then they've move forwards, developed a lot. Infrastructure is sometimes BETTER than the US has, especially their train network.
  
  People have hope, they're moving out of poverty. Their average GDP is still low, but then living costs are much, much lower. You can live for $500 a month in a second tier city easily and save money or buy an apartment.
  
  The problem I have is that most people's view of China is WRONG. And you're not showing me anything different.

What am I making up? Yes, it's become more Fascist because the Socialist policies were causing massive poverty.

hahah yeah you can live on $500 a month in a "second-tier" city...hahahh

Folks in the US can live on $500 a month too...we call them POOR.

I don't see anything worth commenting on here.

well when you are defending the oppressive, murderous Chinese Govt it's best to keep quiet and walk away

 

[airplanemechanic]

They are probably angry that no one can pass out Cokes in the voting lines.

Which is really funny because that's been illegal for years.

 

[frigidweirdo]

They don't have the power because we maintain our rights...certainly the seperate branches help....if it w

The crime in China is caused by it's oppressive leftist Govt on the people, and it's not reported like traditional crime.

It's hard for a citizen to commit a crime, when they are already in a concentration camp

Well, they don't have power because the limits on power are maintained. But it's certainly getting shaky right now.

Well, China's government isn't really "leftist". It's an extreme form of government with right and left wing policies.

But people do commit crime. Maybe you haven't been to China, it's not that oppressive as long as you don't trample on politicians's careers.

I don't disagree that there is a massive push....and desire by the folks currently running the Federal Govt to not maintain those protections....many in the party in control view the Constitution as a bad thing....

No it's leftist..Mao was a leftist...it's a Socialist system

It's not oppressive unless you trample on the Govt? Gotcha...that's very oppressive

China isn't Maoist, they rejected Maoism (whatever the fuck that is, Mao was just an egotist who messed up a lot, didn't really have much of a plan) when Deng XiaoPing was in charge (but not in charge).

China officially calls itself Communist, but isn't because they're not moving towards Communism at all. Xi has decided, recently, that he needs to shore up his authority by going more Socialist. However this Socialism is pretty conservative, they ban tits on TV, even cleavage is banned, that's not left wing at all. Education isn't left wing, it's all about keeping people ignorant and malleable but producing people capable of making money. Women aren't considered equals, though officially they are, gay people aren't banned, but they're also not protected and will be attacked in subtle ways by the government.


China is what it is. It's not a free country. But it's not a place where everyone is worried they're going to be taken to the gulag either. If you don't understand what it's like to be in China, it's not my fault.

Maoism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Mao was the founded of the People's Republic of China...he's their George Washington...they did not reject him,

Dem leadership in the US, love him and admire him....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes-under-fire

Biden Quotes Mao Zedong to Explain Kamala Harris Pick

Joe Biden used a quote from brutal Chinese dictator Mao Zedong to explain his pick of Kamala Harris as his running mate during the ticket’s first public interview Sunday.When asked by ABC News’s Robin Roberts whether he felt “pressure to select a black woman,” Biden responded by saying he did...

www.yahoo.com

"


Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,” during which Mao’s regime caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people from 1958 to 1962.

From Mao to Obama

John Fund writes in The Wall Street Journal that Anita Dunn claims Mao Tse Tung is one of her favorite political philosophers.

www.wsj.com

I don't disagree that China isn't Communist...they are Socialist...and there is nothing Conservative about Socialism. Actually, today, they are more Fascist in nature then Socialist. Fascism is one step below Socialism

Come on, a little more reality here. You're playing nonsense politics.

Mao was the first leader of China, and China under Mao was a disaster. Under Deng Xiaoping, who Mao nearly killed, China started on its path to being an economic powerhouse it is today. Even Xi ran away from Mao's policies in the past. He's only embracing them now because they're convenient for him.

But China rejected everything about Maoism. Because Mao stood for chaos. China isn't chaos any more, it's organized and functions.

If you know anything about that Andy Warhol picture of Mao, you'd not have made the silly comment you made about Democrats loving him. It's such a nonsense comment it doesn't really require me to say much other than you shouldn't make such dumb comments.

You think there's nothing conservative about Socialism? Well that's your look out. Maybe when you've learned some more you'll realize how wrong you are.

What is right wing? What is left wing? They're pretty abstract terms in themselves. But I'm sensing a person who's never been to China, knows very little about China to make such a statement.

Pornography has been banned. Is this a left wing or a right wing thing to do?

Of course Maoism is a disaster...all socialism is...

I am not playing politics here...just highlighting that the left has deadly and disaster policies.

Deng helped with the opening of China, but he keep the same socialist and oppressive policies for the people of China

Is all Socialism a disaster? China's not a disaster. Economically it's outstanding, doubling it's GDP every 8 years or so.

The left has "deadly and disaster policies" and so does the right. It's not to do with left or right, it's to do with individuals and the choices they make.

Deng kept the same socialist policies as Mao? Like what? I want specifics because I think you don't actually know.

Yes, and yes China is a disaster. Oppressing it's citizens and massive human rights abuses is a disaster. Poverty is a disaster. I can't believe you start a post by saying China is not a disaster then end it by talking about individualism.

Your hero Deng literally ran people over with tanks

The problem here is that China is much further behind the US in terms of development. Really China started to grow from the mid 1970s.

What China is doing in Xinjiang and Tibet isn't much different to what the US did with the Native Americans.

China wants to have a society without conflict, so in Xinjiang it wants to make sure all the people are "Chinese". I don't agree with the way they're going about it, then again I didn't agree with the Trail of Tears, I don't agree with the way the US deals with Native Americans even today.

A lot of black people feel left out of the American Dream and it's not hard to see why. Something like 25% poverty for black people compared to 7% poverty for white people, the police in certain areas acting in an oppressive manner and the like.

China has done so much to end poverty since 1975 it's incredible. A high speed rail network that is the biggest in the world. New roads, new apartment building, new parks, infrastructure to allow GDP to double every EIGHT YEARS. It took the US about 20 years to achieve that.

China has good points, people who grew up in mud houses are now living in decent accommodation. It has bad points.

The US has good points and it has bad points.

Both China and the US are going to be a negative force on this planet in the next fifty years, using their power to fuck over smaller countries.

haha China is an oppressive regime it's socialist policies have created poverty like no other, and made it far behind the US in terms of development.

It's drastically more poor then the US and frankly has been around massively longer...the reason it's behind is leftwing Govt.

You're just making things up.

China has actually REDUCED its socialist policies in the past. Only now has Xi decided to shore up his power base by making a new city that is based on Socialist values.

China plans to build new city nearly three times the size of New York

Announcement of the Xiongan New Area leads to a frenzy of property speculation with investors clogging roads to get to site

www.theguardian.com

Xiongan (said like she-ong-an) is going to be totally owned by the government, people can rent and work for socialist businesses.

Prior to this China got rid of state farms and state businesses in quite large numbers. There are still enough of them, like steel manufacturers and the like, but mostly China is capitalist.

As for poverty, it's decreased a lot.

China Poverty Rate 1990-2023

Poverty headcount ratio at $5.50 a day is the percentage of the population living on less than $5.50 a day at 2011 international prices. As a result of revisions in PPP exchange rates, poverty rates for individual countries cannot be compared with poverty rates reported in earlier editions.

www.macrotrends.net

• "China poverty rate for 2016 was 24.00%, a 3.2% decline from 2015.
• China poverty rate for 2015 was 27.20%, a 4.3% decline from 2014.
• China poverty rate for 2014 was 31.50%, a 4.9% decline from 2013.
• China poverty rate for 2013 was 36.40%, a 8% decline from 2012"
  
  And anyone who knows China, knows this is the case. Compare India and China, it's incredible the difference. China is more or less a first world country in the cities, and the country is catching up massively. A lot of old homes are being replaced with modern concrete homes.
  
  Yes, China is poorer than the US. Of course it is. It was a backwards third world country in 1975 when Mao disappeared. But since then they've move forwards, developed a lot. Infrastructure is sometimes BETTER than the US has, especially their train network.
  
  People have hope, they're moving out of poverty. Their average GDP is still low, but then living costs are much, much lower. You can live for $500 a month in a second tier city easily and save money or buy an apartment.
  
  The problem I have is that most people's view of China is WRONG. And you're not showing me anything different.

What am I making up? Yes, it's become more Fascist because the Socialist policies were causing massive poverty.

hahah yeah you can live on $500 a month in a "second-tier" city...hahahh

Folks in the US can live on $500 a month too...we call them POOR.

I don't see anything worth commenting on here.

well when you are defending the oppressive, murderous Chinese Govt it's best to keep quiet and walk away

Wow, what an argument.

You seem to be defending the US government. A murderous US government, uses invasions, bombing, violence to get what it wants, to enrich itself.

The US govt went into Iraq and Afghanistan and got hundreds of thousands of people killed. Had a coup in Venezuela to take down a democratically elected leader (when ironically Bush hadn't got more votes than his opponent).

 

[struth]

They don't have the power because we maintain our rights...certainly the seperate branches help....if it w

The crime in China is caused by it's oppressive leftist Govt on the people, and it's not reported like traditional crime.

It's hard for a citizen to commit a crime, when they are already in a concentration camp

Well, they don't have power because the limits on power are maintained. But it's certainly getting shaky right now.

Well, China's government isn't really "leftist". It's an extreme form of government with right and left wing policies.

But people do commit crime. Maybe you haven't been to China, it's not that oppressive as long as you don't trample on politicians's careers.

I don't disagree that there is a massive push....and desire by the folks currently running the Federal Govt to not maintain those protections....many in the party in control view the Constitution as a bad thing....

No it's leftist..Mao was a leftist...it's a Socialist system

It's not oppressive unless you trample on the Govt? Gotcha...that's very oppressive

China isn't Maoist, they rejected Maoism (whatever the fuck that is, Mao was just an egotist who messed up a lot, didn't really have much of a plan) when Deng XiaoPing was in charge (but not in charge).

China officially calls itself Communist, but isn't because they're not moving towards Communism at all. Xi has decided, recently, that he needs to shore up his authority by going more Socialist. However this Socialism is pretty conservative, they ban tits on TV, even cleavage is banned, that's not left wing at all. Education isn't left wing, it's all about keeping people ignorant and malleable but producing people capable of making money. Women aren't considered equals, though officially they are, gay people aren't banned, but they're also not protected and will be attacked in subtle ways by the government.


China is what it is. It's not a free country. But it's not a place where everyone is worried they're going to be taken to the gulag either. If you don't understand what it's like to be in China, it's not my fault.

Maoism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Mao was the founded of the People's Republic of China...he's their George Washington...they did not reject him,

Dem leadership in the US, love him and admire him....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes-under-fire

Biden Quotes Mao Zedong to Explain Kamala Harris Pick

Joe Biden used a quote from brutal Chinese dictator Mao Zedong to explain his pick of Kamala Harris as his running mate during the ticket’s first public interview Sunday.When asked by ABC News’s Robin Roberts whether he felt “pressure to select a black woman,” Biden responded by saying he did...

www.yahoo.com

"


Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,” during which Mao’s regime caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people from 1958 to 1962.

From Mao to Obama

John Fund writes in The Wall Street Journal that Anita Dunn claims Mao Tse Tung is one of her favorite political philosophers.

www.wsj.com

I don't disagree that China isn't Communist...they are Socialist...and there is nothing Conservative about Socialism. Actually, today, they are more Fascist in nature then Socialist. Fascism is one step below Socialism

Come on, a little more reality here. You're playing nonsense politics.

Mao was the first leader of China, and China under Mao was a disaster. Under Deng Xiaoping, who Mao nearly killed, China started on its path to being an economic powerhouse it is today. Even Xi ran away from Mao's policies in the past. He's only embracing them now because they're convenient for him.

But China rejected everything about Maoism. Because Mao stood for chaos. China isn't chaos any more, it's organized and functions.

If you know anything about that Andy Warhol picture of Mao, you'd not have made the silly comment you made about Democrats loving him. It's such a nonsense comment it doesn't really require me to say much other than you shouldn't make such dumb comments.

You think there's nothing conservative about Socialism? Well that's your look out. Maybe when you've learned some more you'll realize how wrong you are.

What is right wing? What is left wing? They're pretty abstract terms in themselves. But I'm sensing a person who's never been to China, knows very little about China to make such a statement.

Pornography has been banned. Is this a left wing or a right wing thing to do?

Of course Maoism is a disaster...all socialism is...

I am not playing politics here...just highlighting that the left has deadly and disaster policies.

Deng helped with the opening of China, but he keep the same socialist and oppressive policies for the people of China

Is all Socialism a disaster? China's not a disaster. Economically it's outstanding, doubling it's GDP every 8 years or so.

The left has "deadly and disaster policies" and so does the right. It's not to do with left or right, it's to do with individuals and the choices they make.

Deng kept the same socialist policies as Mao? Like what? I want specifics because I think you don't actually know.

Yes, and yes China is a disaster. Oppressing it's citizens and massive human rights abuses is a disaster. Poverty is a disaster. I can't believe you start a post by saying China is not a disaster then end it by talking about individualism.

Your hero Deng literally ran people over with tanks

The problem here is that China is much further behind the US in terms of development. Really China started to grow from the mid 1970s.

What China is doing in Xinjiang and Tibet isn't much different to what the US did with the Native Americans.

China wants to have a society without conflict, so in Xinjiang it wants to make sure all the people are "Chinese". I don't agree with the way they're going about it, then again I didn't agree with the Trail of Tears, I don't agree with the way the US deals with Native Americans even today.

A lot of black people feel left out of the American Dream and it's not hard to see why. Something like 25% poverty for black people compared to 7% poverty for white people, the police in certain areas acting in an oppressive manner and the like.

China has done so much to end poverty since 1975 it's incredible. A high speed rail network that is the biggest in the world. New roads, new apartment building, new parks, infrastructure to allow GDP to double every EIGHT YEARS. It took the US about 20 years to achieve that.

China has good points, people who grew up in mud houses are now living in decent accommodation. It has bad points.

The US has good points and it has bad points.

Both China and the US are going to be a negative force on this planet in the next fifty years, using their power to fuck over smaller countries.

haha China is an oppressive regime it's socialist policies have created poverty like no other, and made it far behind the US in terms of development.

It's drastically more poor then the US and frankly has been around massively longer...the reason it's behind is leftwing Govt.

You're just making things up.

China has actually REDUCED its socialist policies in the past. Only now has Xi decided to shore up his power base by making a new city that is based on Socialist values.

China plans to build new city nearly three times the size of New York

Announcement of the Xiongan New Area leads to a frenzy of property speculation with investors clogging roads to get to site

www.theguardian.com

Xiongan (said like she-ong-an) is going to be totally owned by the government, people can rent and work for socialist businesses.

Prior to this China got rid of state farms and state businesses in quite large numbers. There are still enough of them, like steel manufacturers and the like, but mostly China is capitalist.

As for poverty, it's decreased a lot.

China Poverty Rate 1990-2023

Poverty headcount ratio at $5.50 a day is the percentage of the population living on less than $5.50 a day at 2011 international prices. As a result of revisions in PPP exchange rates, poverty rates for individual countries cannot be compared with poverty rates reported in earlier editions.

www.macrotrends.net

• "China poverty rate for 2016 was 24.00%, a 3.2% decline from 2015.
• China poverty rate for 2015 was 27.20%, a 4.3% decline from 2014.
• China poverty rate for 2014 was 31.50%, a 4.9% decline from 2013.
• China poverty rate for 2013 was 36.40%, a 8% decline from 2012"
  
  And anyone who knows China, knows this is the case. Compare India and China, it's incredible the difference. China is more or less a first world country in the cities, and the country is catching up massively. A lot of old homes are being replaced with modern concrete homes.
  
  Yes, China is poorer than the US. Of course it is. It was a backwards third world country in 1975 when Mao disappeared. But since then they've move forwards, developed a lot. Infrastructure is sometimes BETTER than the US has, especially their train network.
  
  People have hope, they're moving out of poverty. Their average GDP is still low, but then living costs are much, much lower. You can live for $500 a month in a second tier city easily and save money or buy an apartment.
  
  The problem I have is that most people's view of China is WRONG. And you're not showing me anything different.

What am I making up? Yes, it's become more Fascist because the Socialist policies were causing massive poverty.

hahah yeah you can live on $500 a month in a "second-tier" city...hahahh

Folks in the US can live on $500 a month too...we call them POOR.

I don't see anything worth commenting on here.

well when you are defending the oppressive, murderous Chinese Govt it's best to keep quiet and walk away

Wow, what an argument.

You seem to be defending the US government. A murderous US government, uses invasions, bombing, violence to get what it wants, to enrich itself.

The US govt went into Iraq and Afghanistan and got hundreds of thousands of people killed. Had a coup in Venezuela to take down a democratically elected leader (when ironically Bush hadn't got more votes than his opponent).

You have been defending the Chinese Communist Party this entire thread...one of the most oppressive regimes in the modern world....yes I'll be happy to defend the United States against them

Literally, currently, it's a state that has concentration camps, where murder, rape, and massive human rights abuse are taking place against Chinese people for simply being Muslim.

 

[frigidweirdo]

They don't have the power because we maintain our rights...certainly the seperate branches help....if it w

The crime in China is caused by it's oppressive leftist Govt on the people, and it's not reported like traditional crime.

It's hard for a citizen to commit a crime, when they are already in a concentration camp

Well, they don't have power because the limits on power are maintained. But it's certainly getting shaky right now.

Well, China's government isn't really "leftist". It's an extreme form of government with right and left wing policies.

But people do commit crime. Maybe you haven't been to China, it's not that oppressive as long as you don't trample on politicians's careers.

I don't disagree that there is a massive push....and desire by the folks currently running the Federal Govt to not maintain those protections....many in the party in control view the Constitution as a bad thing....

No it's leftist..Mao was a leftist...it's a Socialist system

It's not oppressive unless you trample on the Govt? Gotcha...that's very oppressive

China isn't Maoist, they rejected Maoism (whatever the fuck that is, Mao was just an egotist who messed up a lot, didn't really have much of a plan) when Deng XiaoPing was in charge (but not in charge).

China officially calls itself Communist, but isn't because they're not moving towards Communism at all. Xi has decided, recently, that he needs to shore up his authority by going more Socialist. However this Socialism is pretty conservative, they ban tits on TV, even cleavage is banned, that's not left wing at all. Education isn't left wing, it's all about keeping people ignorant and malleable but producing people capable of making money. Women aren't considered equals, though officially they are, gay people aren't banned, but they're also not protected and will be attacked in subtle ways by the government.


China is what it is. It's not a free country. But it's not a place where everyone is worried they're going to be taken to the gulag either. If you don't understand what it's like to be in China, it's not my fault.

Maoism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

.

Mao was the founded of the People's Republic of China...he's their George Washington...they did not reject him,

Dem leadership in the US, love him and admire him....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes-under-fire

Biden Quotes Mao Zedong to Explain Kamala Harris Pick

Joe Biden used a quote from brutal Chinese dictator Mao Zedong to explain his pick of Kamala Harris as his running mate during the ticket’s first public interview Sunday.When asked by ABC News’s Robin Roberts whether he felt “pressure to select a black woman,” Biden responded by saying he did...

www.yahoo.com

"


Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,” during which Mao’s regime caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people from 1958 to 1962.

From Mao to Obama

John Fund writes in The Wall Street Journal that Anita Dunn claims Mao Tse Tung is one of her favorite political philosophers.

www.wsj.com

I don't disagree that China isn't Communist...they are Socialist...and there is nothing Conservative about Socialism. Actually, today, they are more Fascist in nature then Socialist. Fascism is one step below Socialism

Come on, a little more reality here. You're playing nonsense politics.

Mao was the first leader of China, and China under Mao was a disaster. Under Deng Xiaoping, who Mao nearly killed, China started on its path to being an economic powerhouse it is today. Even Xi ran away from Mao's policies in the past. He's only embracing them now because they're convenient for him.

But China rejected everything about Maoism. Because Mao stood for chaos. China isn't chaos any more, it's organized and functions.

If you know anything about that Andy Warhol picture of Mao, you'd not have made the silly comment you made about Democrats loving him. It's such a nonsense comment it doesn't really require me to say much other than you shouldn't make such dumb comments.

You think there's nothing conservative about Socialism? Well that's your look out. Maybe when you've learned some more you'll realize how wrong you are.

What is right wing? What is left wing? They're pretty abstract terms in themselves. But I'm sensing a person who's never been to China, knows very little about China to make such a statement.

Pornography has been banned. Is this a left wing or a right wing thing to do?

Of course Maoism is a disaster...all socialism is...

I am not playing politics here...just highlighting that the left has deadly and disaster policies.

Deng helped with the opening of China, but he keep the same socialist and oppressive policies for the people of China

Is all Socialism a disaster? China's not a disaster. Economically it's outstanding, doubling it's GDP every 8 years or so.

The left has "deadly and disaster policies" and so does the right. It's not to do with left or right, it's to do with individuals and the choices they make.

Deng kept the same socialist policies as Mao? Like what? I want specifics because I think you don't actually know.

Yes, and yes China is a disaster. Oppressing it's citizens and massive human rights abuses is a disaster. Poverty is a disaster. I can't believe you start a post by saying China is not a disaster then end it by talking about individualism.

Your hero Deng literally ran people over with tanks

The problem here is that China is much further behind the US in terms of development. Really China started to grow from the mid 1970s.

What China is doing in Xinjiang and Tibet isn't much different to what the US did with the Native Americans.

China wants to have a society without conflict, so in Xinjiang it wants to make sure all the people are "Chinese". I don't agree with the way they're going about it, then again I didn't agree with the Trail of Tears, I don't agree with the way the US deals with Native Americans even today.

A lot of black people feel left out of the American Dream and it's not hard to see why. Something like 25% poverty for black people compared to 7% poverty for white people, the police in certain areas acting in an oppressive manner and the like.

China has done so much to end poverty since 1975 it's incredible. A high speed rail network that is the biggest in the world. New roads, new apartment building, new parks, infrastructure to allow GDP to double every EIGHT YEARS. It took the US about 20 years to achieve that.

China has good points, people who grew up in mud houses are now living in decent accommodation. It has bad points.

The US has good points and it has bad points.

Both China and the US are going to be a negative force on this planet in the next fifty years, using their power to fuck over smaller countries.

haha China is an oppressive regime it's socialist policies have created poverty like no other, and made it far behind the US in terms of development.

It's drastically more poor then the US and frankly has been around massively longer...the reason it's behind is leftwing Govt.

You're just making things up.

China has actually REDUCED its socialist policies in the past. Only now has Xi decided to shore up his power base by making a new city that is based on Socialist values.

China plans to build new city nearly three times the size of New York

Announcement of the Xiongan New Area leads to a frenzy of property speculation with investors clogging roads to get to site

www.theguardian.com

Xiongan (said like she-ong-an) is going to be totally owned by the government, people can rent and work for socialist businesses.

Prior to this China got rid of state farms and state businesses in quite large numbers. There are still enough of them, like steel manufacturers and the like, but mostly China is capitalist.

As for poverty, it's decreased a lot.

China Poverty Rate 1990-2023

Poverty headcount ratio at $5.50 a day is the percentage of the population living on less than $5.50 a day at 2011 international prices. As a result of revisions in PPP exchange rates, poverty rates for individual countries cannot be compared with poverty rates reported in earlier editions.

www.macrotrends.net

• "China poverty rate for 2016 was 24.00%, a 3.2% decline from 2015.
• China poverty rate for 2015 was 27.20%, a 4.3% decline from 2014.
• China poverty rate for 2014 was 31.50%, a 4.9% decline from 2013.
• China poverty rate for 2013 was 36.40%, a 8% decline from 2012"
  
  And anyone who knows China, knows this is the case. Compare India and China, it's incredible the difference. China is more or less a first world country in the cities, and the country is catching up massively. A lot of old homes are being replaced with modern concrete homes.
  
  Yes, China is poorer than the US. Of course it is. It was a backwards third world country in 1975 when Mao disappeared. But since then they've move forwards, developed a lot. Infrastructure is sometimes BETTER than the US has, especially their train network.
  
  People have hope, they're moving out of poverty. Their average GDP is still low, but then living costs are much, much lower. You can live for $500 a month in a second tier city easily and save money or buy an apartment.
  
  The problem I have is that most people's view of China is WRONG. And you're not showing me anything different.

What am I making up? Yes, it's become more Fascist because the Socialist policies were causing massive poverty.

hahah yeah you can live on $500 a month in a "second-tier" city...hahahh

Folks in the US can live on $500 a month too...we call them POOR.

I don't see anything worth commenting on here.

well when you are defending the oppressive, murderous Chinese Govt it's best to keep quiet and walk away

Wow, what an argument.

You seem to be defending the US government. A murderous US government, uses invasions, bombing, violence to get what it wants, to enrich itself.

The US govt went into Iraq and Afghanistan and got hundreds of thousands of people killed. Had a coup in Venezuela to take down a democratically elected leader (when ironically Bush hadn't got more votes than his opponent).

You have been defending the Chinese Communist Party this entire thread...one of the most oppressive regimes in the modern world....yes I'll be happy to defend the United States against them

Literally, currently, it's a state that has concentration camps, where murder, rape, and massive human rights abuse are taking place against Chinese people for simply being Muslim.

No, I haven't. I haven't defended the CCP one bit.

That you think I have shows the problem in this thread.

 

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They don't have the power because we maintain our rights...certainly the seperate branches help....if it w

The crime in China is caused by it's oppressive leftist Govt on the people, and it's not reported like traditional crime.

It's hard for a citizen to commit a crime, when they are already in a concentration camp

Well, they don't have power because the limits on power are maintained. But it's certainly getting shaky right now.

Well, China's government isn't really "leftist". It's an extreme form of government with right and left wing policies.

But people do commit crime. Maybe you haven't been to China, it's not that oppressive as long as you don't trample on politicians's careers.

I don't disagree that there is a massive push....and desire by the folks currently running the Federal Govt to not maintain those protections....many in the party in control view the Constitution as a bad thing....

No it's leftist..Mao was a leftist...it's a Socialist system

It's not oppressive unless you trample on the Govt? Gotcha...that's very oppressive

China isn't Maoist, they rejected Maoism (whatever the fuck that is, Mao was just an egotist who messed up a lot, didn't really have much of a plan) when Deng XiaoPing was in charge (but not in charge).

China officially calls itself Communist, but isn't because they're not moving towards Communism at all. Xi has decided, recently, that he needs to shore up his authority by going more Socialist. However this Socialism is pretty conservative, they ban tits on TV, even cleavage is banned, that's not left wing at all. Education isn't left wing, it's all about keeping people ignorant and malleable but producing people capable of making money. Women aren't considered equals, though officially they are, gay people aren't banned, but they're also not protected and will be attacked in subtle ways by the government.


China is what it is. It's not a free country. But it's not a place where everyone is worried they're going to be taken to the gulag either. If you don't understand what it's like to be in China, it's not my fault.

Maoism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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Mao was the founded of the People's Republic of China...he's their George Washington...they did not reject him,

Dem leadership in the US, love him and admire him....https://www.foxnews.com/politics/white-house-christmas-decor-featuring-mao-zedong-comes-under-fire

Biden Quotes Mao Zedong to Explain Kamala Harris Pick

Joe Biden used a quote from brutal Chinese dictator Mao Zedong to explain his pick of Kamala Harris as his running mate during the ticket’s first public interview Sunday.When asked by ABC News’s Robin Roberts whether he felt “pressure to select a black woman,” Biden responded by saying he did...

www.yahoo.com

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Biden’s reference to “that old expression” is in fact a well-known proclamation that Mao made to promote women leaving the home amid the Cultural Revolution in China. It was then widely used as propaganda during the “Great Leap Forward,” during which Mao’s regime caused the deaths of an estimated 45 million Chinese people from 1958 to 1962.

From Mao to Obama

John Fund writes in The Wall Street Journal that Anita Dunn claims Mao Tse Tung is one of her favorite political philosophers.

www.wsj.com

I don't disagree that China isn't Communist...they are Socialist...and there is nothing Conservative about Socialism. Actually, today, they are more Fascist in nature then Socialist. Fascism is one step below Socialism

Come on, a little more reality here. You're playing nonsense politics.

Mao was the first leader of China, and China under Mao was a disaster. Under Deng Xiaoping, who Mao nearly killed, China started on its path to being an economic powerhouse it is today. Even Xi ran away from Mao's policies in the past. He's only embracing them now because they're convenient for him.

But China rejected everything about Maoism. Because Mao stood for chaos. China isn't chaos any more, it's organized and functions.

If you know anything about that Andy Warhol picture of Mao, you'd not have made the silly comment you made about Democrats loving him. It's such a nonsense comment it doesn't really require me to say much other than you shouldn't make such dumb comments.

You think there's nothing conservative about Socialism? Well that's your look out. Maybe when you've learned some more you'll realize how wrong you are.

What is right wing? What is left wing? They're pretty abstract terms in themselves. But I'm sensing a person who's never been to China, knows very little about China to make such a statement.

Pornography has been banned. Is this a left wing or a right wing thing to do?

Of course Maoism is a disaster...all socialism is...

I am not playing politics here...just highlighting that the left has deadly and disaster policies.

Deng helped with the opening of China, but he keep the same socialist and oppressive policies for the people of China

Is all Socialism a disaster? China's not a disaster. Economically it's outstanding, doubling it's GDP every 8 years or so.

The left has "deadly and disaster policies" and so does the right. It's not to do with left or right, it's to do with individuals and the choices they make.

Deng kept the same socialist policies as Mao? Like what? I want specifics because I think you don't actually know.

Yes, and yes China is a disaster. Oppressing it's citizens and massive human rights abuses is a disaster. Poverty is a disaster. I can't believe you start a post by saying China is not a disaster then end it by talking about individualism.

Your hero Deng literally ran people over with tanks

The problem here is that China is much further behind the US in terms of development. Really China started to grow from the mid 1970s.

What China is doing in Xinjiang and Tibet isn't much different to what the US did with the Native Americans.

China wants to have a society without conflict, so in Xinjiang it wants to make sure all the people are "Chinese". I don't agree with the way they're going about it, then again I didn't agree with the Trail of Tears, I don't agree with the way the US deals with Native Americans even today.

A lot of black people feel left out of the American Dream and it's not hard to see why. Something like 25% poverty for black people compared to 7% poverty for white people, the police in certain areas acting in an oppressive manner and the like.

China has done so much to end poverty since 1975 it's incredible. A high speed rail network that is the biggest in the world. New roads, new apartment building, new parks, infrastructure to allow GDP to double every EIGHT YEARS. It took the US about 20 years to achieve that.

China has good points, people who grew up in mud houses are now living in decent accommodation. It has bad points.

The US has good points and it has bad points.

Both China and the US are going to be a negative force on this planet in the next fifty years, using their power to fuck over smaller countries.

haha China is an oppressive regime it's socialist policies have created poverty like no other, and made it far behind the US in terms of development.

It's drastically more poor then the US and frankly has been around massively longer...the reason it's behind is leftwing Govt.

You're just making things up.

China has actually REDUCED its socialist policies in the past. Only now has Xi decided to shore up his power base by making a new city that is based on Socialist values.

China plans to build new city nearly three times the size of New York

Announcement of the Xiongan New Area leads to a frenzy of property speculation with investors clogging roads to get to site

www.theguardian.com

Xiongan (said like she-ong-an) is going to be totally owned by the government, people can rent and work for socialist businesses.

Prior to this China got rid of state farms and state businesses in quite large numbers. There are still enough of them, like steel manufacturers and the like, but mostly China is capitalist.

As for poverty, it's decreased a lot.

China Poverty Rate 1990-2023

Poverty headcount ratio at $5.50 a day is the percentage of the population living on less than $5.50 a day at 2011 international prices. As a result of revisions in PPP exchange rates, poverty rates for individual countries cannot be compared with poverty rates reported in earlier editions.

www.macrotrends.net

• "China poverty rate for 2016 was 24.00%, a 3.2% decline from 2015.
• China poverty rate for 2015 was 27.20%, a 4.3% decline from 2014.
• China poverty rate for 2014 was 31.50%, a 4.9% decline from 2013.
• China poverty rate for 2013 was 36.40%, a 8% decline from 2012"
  
  And anyone who knows China, knows this is the case. Compare India and China, it's incredible the difference. China is more or less a first world country in the cities, and the country is catching up massively. A lot of old homes are being replaced with modern concrete homes.
  
  Yes, China is poorer than the US. Of course it is. It was a backwards third world country in 1975 when Mao disappeared. But since then they've move forwards, developed a lot. Infrastructure is sometimes BETTER than the US has, especially their train network.
  
  People have hope, they're moving out of poverty. Their average GDP is still low, but then living costs are much, much lower. You can live for $500 a month in a second tier city easily and save money or buy an apartment.
  
  The problem I have is that most people's view of China is WRONG. And you're not showing me anything different.

What am I making up? Yes, it's become more Fascist because the Socialist policies were causing massive poverty.

hahah yeah you can live on $500 a month in a "second-tier" city...hahahh

Folks in the US can live on $500 a month too...we call them POOR.

I don't see anything worth commenting on here.

well when you are defending the oppressive, murderous Chinese Govt it's best to keep quiet and walk away

Wow, what an argument.

You seem to be defending the US government. A murderous US government, uses invasions, bombing, violence to get what it wants, to enrich itself.

The US govt went into Iraq and Afghanistan and got hundreds of thousands of people killed. Had a coup in Venezuela to take down a democratically elected leader (when ironically Bush hadn't got more votes than his opponent).

You have been defending the Chinese Communist Party this entire thread...one of the most oppressive regimes in the modern world....yes I'll be happy to defend the United States against them

Literally, currently, it's a state that has concentration camps, where murder, rape, and massive human rights abuse are taking place against Chinese people for simply being Muslim.

No, I haven't. I haven't defended the CCP one bit.

That you think I have shows the problem in this thread.

hahah you are all over this thread talking about China