Co2 Fraud hasn't fudged all data, surface air pressure for one....

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, you are. Go ahead and claim increasing temperature doesn't increase SAP

Go ahead, explain how the same mass can exert varying pressure.

 

[EMH]

Go ahead, explain how the same mass can exert varying pressure.

Speed up the molecules.... duh...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Speed up the molecules.... duh...

Would a 10 kg bar of metal on a scale push down on the scale more if it was hotter?

 

[EMH]

Would a 10 kg bar of metal on a scale push down on the scale more if it was hotter?

LOL!!!

No, but if you heat the air beneath it given the same force, you get more pressure...


From Google

Explanation: An increase in temperature increases the kinetic energy of the air molecules. An increase in kinetic energy cause an increase in the average speed and momentum of the air molecules. Molecules that are moving faster with more momentum collide with other molecules with more force creating more pressure.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL!!!

No, but if you heat the air beneath it given the same force, you get more pressure...


From Google

Explanation: An increase in temperature increases the kinetic energy of the air molecules. An increase in kinetic energy cause an increase in the average speed and momentum of the air molecules. Molecules that are moving faster with more momentum collide with other molecules with more force creating more pressure.

The hotter 10 kg bar has faster molecules than the cooler 10 kg bar.
Why doesn't the scale show it weighs more?

Molecules that are moving faster with more momentum collide with other molecules with more force creating more pressure.

Not all the molecules in the gas column are moving down.

 

[EMH]

The hotter 10 kg bar has faster molecules than the cooler 10 kg bar.
Why doesn't the scale show it weighs more?

Molecules that are moving faster with more momentum collide with other molecules with more force creating more pressure.

Not all the molecules in the gas column are moving down.

No, they move in all directions.

Try this. Fill a plastic bottle with warm air, and put it in your freezer, and notice what happens....

 

[Dagosa]

aka weather...

Center of a cane has low air pressure....

DUH...

70 years of dropping SAP.... that's not weather, that's...

NO INCREASE IN TEMPERATURE
NO ONGOING NET ICE MELT.... just the opposite

Babble.

 

[Dagosa]

No, they move in all directions.

Try this. Fill a plastic bottle with warm air, and put it in your freezer, and notice what happens....

An enclosed plastic bottle is not the atmosphere non reader….

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No, they move in all directions.

Try this. Fill a plastic bottle with warm air, and put it in your freezer, and notice what happens....

No, they move in all directions.

That would mean some move up, reducing surface air pressure.

Try this. Fill a plastic bottle with warm air, and put it in your freezer, and notice what happens....

You're not back on that "Earth's atmosphere is like a sealed bottle", are you?

 

[EMH]

That would mean some move up, reducing surface air pressure

Then go on record and state that YOU believe increasing atmospheric temperature would reduce surface air pressure...

You're not back on that "Earth's atmosphere is like a sealed bottle", are you?

Force constrained. Not sealed. But for surface air pressure, expanding the height of the atmosphere does nothing to change surface air pressure, but increasing temperature does.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Then go on record and state that YOU believe increasing atmospheric temperature would reduce surface air pressure...






Force constrained. Not sealed. But for surface air pressure, expanding the height of the atmosphere does nothing to change surface air pressure, but increasing temperature does.

Then go on record and state that YOU believe increasing atmospheric temperature would reduce surface air pressure...

Why would I claim that?

Force constrained. Not sealed.

The height of the atmosphere isn't "force constrained".

But for surface air pressure, expanding the height of the atmosphere does nothing to change surface air pressure,

Post your evidence.

 

[EMH]

Why would I claim that?

LOL!!!!

Clearly, you won't claim that because you know it is clearly wrong....

The height of the atmosphere isn't "force constrained".

A) yes it is, without gravity it would be unconstrained... not sealed or set at a specific height, but YES CONSTRAINED....

B) the height of the atmosphere is not the issue, the MASS of the GAS in the column above is, so if you heat the atmosphere and expand it, the force of gravity on that remains the same, while the temperature has increased (a separate issue from the force of mass and gravity) which causes SURFACE AIR PRESSURE to INCREASE

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL!!!!

Clearly, you won't claim that because you know it is clearly wrong....





A) yes it is, without gravity it would be unconstrained... not sealed or set at a specific height, but YES CONSTRAINED....

B) the height of the atmosphere is not the issue, the MASS of the GAS in the column above is, so if you heat the atmosphere and expand it, the force of gravity on that remains the same, while the temperature has increased (a separate issue from the force of mass and gravity) which causes SURFACE AIR PRESSURE to INCREASE

Clearly, you won't claim that because you know it is clearly wrong....

Prove that it's clearly wrong.

yes it is, without gravity it would be unconstrained...

Show how it's "force constrained".

the height of the atmosphere is not the issue, the MASS of the GAS in the column above is,

The mass that doesn't change is the issue? And?

the temperature has increased (a separate issue from the force of mass and gravity) which causes SURFACE AIR PRESSURE to INCREASE

Tropical countries have higher surface air pressure than temperate countries?

 

[EMH]

Show how it's "force constrained".

How fucking stupid is that question... What prevents the gas in the atmosphere from floating out into space?

The mass that doesn't change is the issue? And?

Hence temperature changes do correlate with SAP....

Tropical countries have higher surface air pressure than temperate countries?

That is likely correct....

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

How fucking stupid is that question... What prevents the gas in the atmosphere from floating out into space?





Hence temperature changes do correlate with SAP....







That is likely correct....

What prevents the gas in the atmosphere from floating out into space?

What prevents it from expanding further into space?

That is likely correct....

Post your evidence.

 

[EMH]

What prevents the gas in the atmosphere from floating out into space?

What prevents it from expanding further into space?

That is likely correct....

Post your evidence.

a) GRAVITY....

b) you brought it up, you find the "evidence..."

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

a) GRAVITY....

b) you brought it up, you find the "evidence..."

Gravity doesn't keep it from expanding and contracting.

You want me to post evidence that warmer countries have higher SAP?
But that would help your claim, if true, why would I do that?
It'll be more convincing coming from you.

So go ahead.

 

[EMH]

Gravity doesn't keep it from expanding and contracting.

You want me to post evidence that warmer countries have higher SAP?
But that would help your claim, if true, why would I do that?
It'll be more convincing coming from you.

So go ahead.

Air pressure at ground level at the equator and the poles

At the equator at sea level you are about 17 miles higher up than at the poles ie 17 miles further from the center of the earth. Yet the air is not the same as it would be 17 miles up at a higher

physics.stackexchange.com

This one thinks there is either no difference or a very small one.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Air pressure at ground level at the equator and the poles

At the equator at sea level you are about 17 miles higher up than at the poles ie 17 miles further from the center of the earth. Yet the air is not the same as it would be 17 miles up at a higher

physics.stackexchange.com

This one thinks there is either no difference or a very small one.

Does climate affect air pressure?

This change in pressure is caused by changes in air density, and air density is related to temperature. Warm air is less dense than cooler air because the gas molecules in warm air have a greater velocity and are farther apart than in cooler air.

Air Pressure

The number of molecules in the atmosphere decreases with height.Download Image The atoms and molecules that make up the various layers of the atmosphere are constantly moving in random directions. Despite their tiny size, when they strike a surface, they exert a force on that surface in what we...

www.noaa.gov

I guess you're right.
Surface air pressure is lower because the planet is warmer.

 

[EMH]

Does climate affect air pressure?

This change in pressure is caused by changes in air density, and air density is related to temperature. Warm air is less dense than cooler air because the gas molecules in warm air have a greater velocity and are farther apart than in cooler air.

Air Pressure

The number of molecules in the atmosphere decreases with height.Download Image The atoms and molecules that make up the various layers of the atmosphere are constantly moving in random directions. Despite their tiny size, when they strike a surface, they exert a force on that surface in what we...

www.noaa.gov

I guess you're right.
Surface air pressure is lower because the planet is warmer.

Nice try... the daily fluctuations are real. Hurricanes have low pressure in the eye.

We are talking about a 70 year down trend....

What would cause that?

Ongoing net Earth ice GROWTH....

Anything else???