The Infidel
EVIL CONSERVATIVE
Pretty much, Independent.
I like Jarhead, but I just think he's caught up in partisanry to the point where he just can't see what he's doing.
"I'm about to drop out because despite the fact that I posted right on point, you received it as a diversion. The more I try and split the blame between two groups...the less you seem willing to agree. Confronted with reasonability...you stick your head in the sand and still want to "win".
I think I'm beginning to learn the difference between conservatives and liberals.
Conservatives
Con: They dont see shades of grey, only black and white memes.
Pro: Once they hear something that sounds common sense...they can dig in and stand behind it forever.
Liberals:
Con: They see things in too many shades of grey and finesse.
Pro: They can split issues into more than just 100% black and white.
Neither is better. Just different. Oh wait I'm sounding too reasonable.
Hadn't actualy noticed that Jarhead agreed with CaliGirl's assessment that I "must be a Liberal" because unlike her, I hold both Bush and Obama, both Repubs and Dems culpable.
I also agree with your assessment of Libs vs. Dems above. If you disagree with a Lib, they'll argue the point. If you agree with a Conserv - but not entirely, they often don't argue the point or directly address it, they just call you a Liberal (Caligirl being an example of that in this thread).
As far as no one in government being responsible, I would disagree completely. If there is no law against murder, will it happen more often? You bet. What if the govt just "deregulates" murder so that it's easier to get away with? You bet.
Well, the Dems shoved a bunch of unqualified buyers down the throats of banks. Obviously that was evantually going to have consequences. The Repubs deregulated the Commerical Mortgage Backed Securities industry so that millions of bad mortgages could be sold at huge profits and when things went wrong, we got the bill for it. That also had consequences.
In one case, the Libs forced "equality" for those who didn't earn it, through regulation.
In the other, The Conservs took all responsibility for screwing investors away from the Corps and Banks, through deregulation.
Bad mix.
The republicans were forced into a huge banking mess by Democrats - especially the housing collapse.. This is horse shit... they went along to get along
In short, pretty much Bill Clinton and Al Sharpton in 1992 claimed republicans were racists and hated the poor if the congress did not make home loans a "RIGHT."
What the fuck do you think will happen when you lend not on financial income but on race or lack of income???
Forcing banks to pretty much lend to people they will never recover the money from is a BAD FUCKING IDEA...
This is ALL progressives problem - the notion that banks should just buy people free homes and allow them to borrow against them is typical socialism...
The biggest mistake was that republicans actually went along with the plan just so they "didn't look like racists."
Then Bush tried to stop it and he was called a racist while Barney Frank claimed there were no problems and the program was perfectly sound...
Few months later we collapsed...
Republicans are guilty of passing ALL CRA amendments - that's it...
You guys are basically both right.... there is PLENTY of blame to go around.
Its time we get the mess we ALL created cleaned up.