Climate Scientist: We Don't Need Data, You Can See Global Warming on TV

[jc456]

while Greenland was completely green.

Interesting claim. Still lacking any backup.

It is completely pointless to engage someone in debate who lies over and over about that which has been posted over and over...

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

And that is why one simply posts articles from real scientists to show what a fucking liar you truly are. Yes, greenland was green on occasion in the last two million years. However, most of the time, it was buried in ice. And when the continental glaciers in North America were at there maximum, Greenland was completely covered in ice.

When was Greenland green and how long was it green.

 

[LaDexter]

Warming was triggered by a massive release of 13C depleted carbon to the atmosphere,

The thread would not be complete without 100% pure bullshit like this...

 

[LaDexter]

When was Greenland green and how long was it green.

From 1 million years ago to at least 125 million years ago.

 

[LaDexter]

And when the continental glaciers in North America were at there maximum, Greenland was completely covered in ice.

LOL!!

Greenland has more ice today than it ever had. That's what an ice age does, it grows....

 

[LaDexter]

I did like the link you posted that showed both covered by ice at the same time. LOL!

That was the "old school" ice age understanding. Greenland was clearly green 1 million years ago as I have documented over and over and over. The old "ice age" theory was that everything froze and land never moves. That theory was wrong. The data proves it wrong, even today, with Greenland frozen and NA not...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I did like the link you posted that showed both covered by ice at the same time. LOL!

That was the "old school" ice age understanding. Greenland was clearly green 1 million years ago as I have documented over and over and over. The old "ice age" theory was that everything froze and land never moves. That theory was wrong. The data proves it wrong, even today, with Greenland frozen and NA not...

Greenland was clearly green 1 million years ago as I have documented over and over and over.

You still haven't documented the simultaneous North American Ice Age.

 

[Old Rocks]

I did like the link you posted that showed both covered by ice at the same time. LOL!

That was the "old school" ice age understanding. Greenland was clearly green 1 million years ago as I have documented over and over and over. The old "ice age" theory was that everything froze and land never moves. That theory was wrong. The data proves it wrong, even today, with Greenland frozen and NA not...

You haven't proven a thing. You have just flapped yap, and posted drivel from an ignoramous. You failed to show any evidence that when NA was ice free, Greenland had more ice than today.

 

[LaDexter]

You still haven't documented the simultaneous North American Ice Age.

Which means you are still arguing that 2 mile high glaciers digging out the Great Lakes as recently as 16k years ago are somehow younger than 800k years old


About Our Great Lakes -Background- NOAA Great Lakes Environmental Research Lab (GLERL)


" The glacier, up to 2 miles thick,"


was produced overnight according to Todd...

 

[LaDexter]

You failed to show any evidence that when NA was ice free, Greenland had more ice than today.

NA is mostly ice free today, and Greenland had more ice in February (before the iceberg season) than it ever had... so, in your infinite idiocy, you made my point for me - thanks...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You still haven't documented the simultaneous North American Ice Age.

Which means you are still arguing that 2 mile high glaciers digging out the Great Lakes as recently as 16k years ago are somehow younger than 800k years old


About Our Great Lakes -Background- NOAA Great Lakes Environmental Research Lab (GLERL)


" The glacier, up to 2 miles thick,"


was produced overnight according to Todd...

Which means you are still arguing that 2 mile high glaciers digging out the Great Lakes as recently as 16k years ago are somehow younger than 800k years old

I'm arguing no such thing.
Just pointing out you've failed to backup your claims.

Your newest claim is it took 800,000 years for the ice to become 2 miles thick?

 

[LaDexter]

I'm arguing no such thing.

Then you do not understand that which you are arguing here.

Your newest claim is it took 800,000 years for the ice to become 2 miles thick?

No, your claim that I haven't "proven" NA frozen while Greenland green REQUIRES YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE 2 MILE HIGH GLACIERS ARE UNDER 800k years old. Otherwise, if you accept the clear and obvious truth that those glaciers are tens of millions of years old, you'd agree I proved what I claim...

So, yeah, YOU BELIEVE those glaciers are young, or you agree with me, there is no wiggle room.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I'm arguing no such thing.

Then you do not understand that which you are arguing here.

Your newest claim is it took 800,000 years for the ice to become 2 miles thick?

No, your claim that I haven't "proven" NA frozen while Greenland green REQUIRES YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE 2 MILE HIGH GLACIERS ARE UNDER 800k years old. Otherwise, if you accept the clear and obvious truth that those glaciers are tens of millions of years old, you'd agree I proved what I claim...

So, yeah, YOU BELIEVE those glaciers are young, or you agree with me, there is no wiggle room.

No, your claim that I haven't "proven" NA frozen while Greenland green REQUIRES YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THOSE 2 MILE HIGH GLACIERS ARE UNDER 800k years old

So now you need to prove the glaciers grew, without retreating, for 800,000 years or more.


These long interglacials might not help your case.

File:Atmospheric CO2 with glaciers cycles.gif - New World Encyclopedia

 

[LaDexter]

So now you need to prove the glaciers grew, without retreating, for 800,000 years or more.

So, your official position is

"The glaciers that dug out the Great Lakes were 2 miles high, but younger than 800k years old, because I believe the ice on Antarctica was formed in the last week or two..."


My position is

Those glaciers that dug out the Great Lakes originally formed further north and moved south. By the time they get to 2 miles high, they are more than 10 million years old"


So essentially our disagreement is over the age of 2 mile high glaciers - I think they are over 10 million years old, and you think they are a few days old, since you learned your climate science by watching "Day after Tomorrow."

 

[LaDexter]

These long interglacials might not help your case.

You are correct. My case is not based on multi-color fudge charts. My case is based on data, and matching theory with data.

My explanation explains why those Great Lakes glaciers were 2 miles high. Your explanation is laughable.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

So now you need to prove the glaciers grew, without retreating, for 800,000 years or more.

So, your official position is

"The glaciers that dug out the Great Lakes were 2 miles high, but younger than 800k years old, because I believe the ice on Antarctica was formed in the last week or two..."


My position is

Those glaciers that dug out the Great Lakes originally formed further north and moved south. By the time they get to 2 miles high, they are more than 10 million years old"


So essentially our disagreement is over the age of 2 mile high glaciers - I think they are over 10 million years old, and you think they are a few days old, since you learned your climate science by watching "Day after Tomorrow."

Those glaciers that dug out the Great Lakes originally formed further north and moved south. By the time they get to 2 miles high, they are more than 10 million years old"

Any backup?

and you think they are a few days old,

Nope.

since you learned your climate science by watching "Day after Tomorrow."

Wrong again.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

These long interglacials might not help your case.

You are correct. My case is not based on multi-color fudge charts. My case is based on data, and matching theory with data.

My explanation explains why those Great Lakes glaciers were 2 miles high. Your explanation is laughable.

My case is based on data, and matching theory with data.

Absent any evidence.

 

[LaDexter]

That you are refusing to acknowledge that 2 mile high glaciers are more than 10 million years old proves you do not have a clue what you are saying.

When those 2 mile high glaciers were digging out the Great Lakes, was the rest of Canada green and covered with plant life, or also covered with 2 mile high glaciers like Antarctica is today???

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That you are refusing to acknowledge that 2 mile high glaciers are more than 10 million years old proves you do not have a clue what you are saying.

When those 2 mile high glaciers were digging out the Great Lakes, was the rest of Canada green and covered with plant life, or also covered with 2 mile high glaciers like Antarctica is today???

That you are refusing to acknowledge that 2 mile high glaciers are more than 10 million years old proves you do not have a clue what you are saying.

10 million years old.....so prove it.
Should be easy. You can no doubt provide dozens of links that agree.

 

[LaDexter]

You can no doubt provide dozens of links that agree.

LMFAO!!!

Parroting = proof

We do have a data point that matches - Antarctica has 2+ mile high glaciers.

How old are those?

All About Glaciers | Facts about glaciers | National Snow and Ice Data Center

"The Antarctic continent has been at least partially covered by an ice sheet for the past 40 million years."


So try again. How old are 2 mile high glaciers?

A) under 800k years
B) over 10 million years
C) something else

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You can no doubt provide dozens of links that agree.

LMFAO!!!

Parroting = proof

We do have a data point that matches - Antarctica has 2+ mile high glaciers.

How old are those?

All About Glaciers | Facts about glaciers | National Snow and Ice Data Center

"The Antarctic continent has been at least partially covered by an ice sheet for the past 40 million years."


So try again. How old are 2 mile high glaciers?

A) under 800k years
B) over 10 million years
C) something else

We do have a data point that matches - Antarctica has 2+ mile high glaciers.

Wow, your claims are actually getting dumber.

Not only can you not find dozens of links that agree, you can't even find one.
DERP!


So try again. How old are 2 mile high glaciers?

So try again. How old was the glacier that formed the Great Lakes?