Climate Scientist: We Don't Need Data, You Can See Global Warming on TV

Yep, that's the level of "science" by the doomsdayers.

Leading climate doomsayer Michael Mann recently downplayed the importance of climate change science, telling Democrats that data and models “increasingly are unnecessary” because the impact is obvious.

“Fundamentally, I’m a climate scientist and have spent much of my career with my head buried in climate-model output and observational climate data trying to tease out the signal of human-caused climate change,” Mr. Mann told the Democratic Platform Drafting Committee at a hearing.

“What is disconcerting to me and so many of my colleagues is that these tools that we’ve spent years developing increasingly are unnecessary because we can see climate change, the impacts of climate change, now, playing out in real time, on our television screens, in the 24-hour news cycle,” he said.

Mr. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State University, spoke before the committee June 17 in Phoenix.

His comment drew hoots from climate skeptics, including the website Greenie Watch, which posted his comment under the headline, “‘Scientist’ Michael Mann says there is no need for statistics: You can just SEE global warming.”

“Unsurprising. The statistics are pretty doleful for Warmism,” the site said in a Monday post.

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Actually you can, the Weather Channel has devoted time to show the effects of global warming......
sure they do. unproven.
You've never watched the Weather Channel, where have you been?
I've never seen climate change. I've seen records broken and i've not seen records broken. Yesterday in Chitown the record was 1955 at 99 degrees, yesterday was 88. Comfortable as well. you and yours will post up hottest month evah shortly. I merely laugh at the insanity that is your shit.
 
Yep, that's the level of "science" by the doomsdayers.

Leading climate doomsayer Michael Mann recently downplayed the importance of climate change science, telling Democrats that data and models “increasingly are unnecessary” because the impact is obvious.

“Fundamentally, I’m a climate scientist and have spent much of my career with my head buried in climate-model output and observational climate data trying to tease out the signal of human-caused climate change,” Mr. Mann told the Democratic Platform Drafting Committee at a hearing.

“What is disconcerting to me and so many of my colleagues is that these tools that we’ve spent years developing increasingly are unnecessary because we can see climate change, the impacts of climate change, now, playing out in real time, on our television screens, in the 24-hour news cycle,” he said.

Mr. Mann, director of the Earth System Science Center at Penn State University, spoke before the committee June 17 in Phoenix.

His comment drew hoots from climate skeptics, including the website Greenie Watch, which posted his comment under the headline, “‘Scientist’ Michael Mann says there is no need for statistics: You can just SEE global warming.”

“Unsurprising. The statistics are pretty doleful for Warmism,” the site said in a Monday post.

Keep reading…
Actually you can, the Weather Channel has devoted time to show the effects of global warming......
BFD. History Channel is nonstop shows about ghosts and UFOs. The Weather Channel is owned by left wing moonbats now. The man who started the Weather Channel says Manmade global warming is BS.
 
The sheer ignorance of all the folks who seem incapable of understanding plain English...

Pray tell, where did Mann say that the evidence already collected - the work he has spent his life doing - was unneeded or irrelevant? His comment refers to FURTHER work. This is simply another version of 'the science is settled'. And it is. Whine and squeal all you want, you lost this one a good while back and you're chances of recovering it range from nada to zip.
Whatever. Since the "science is settled" shouldn't we stop being defrauded by the Global Warming Doomsday Cult?
 
If you're suggesting that there is less need to conduct research to determine whether or not the world is getting warmer, I would agree. Research to study that quantitatively still have value as are studies into the effects of that warming. If you're suggesting that there is less need to conduct research to determine whether or not human GHG emissions and deforestation; and the increased CO2 levels we've produced in the atmosphere and the oceans, is the primary cause of that warming and of ocean acidification, I again would agree. Research into rates, causes, sources, mitigation measures and the like are, of course, still needed.
 
CO2 doesn't warm anything.

So sayeth the ice cores - where we went to COURT and your side LOST and was TOO CHICKEN TO APPEAL

So sayeth the highly correlated raw data of satellites and balloons, recording precisely NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE where the CO2 has been rising.

Nothing.

There is no need to fund any research into CO2 because CO2 does NOTHING to Earth temperature.
 
CO2 doesn't warm anything.

So sayeth the ice cores - where we went to COURT and your side LOST and was TOO CHICKEN TO APPEAL

So sayeth the highly correlated raw data of satellites and balloons, recording precisely NO WARMING in the ATMOSPHERE where the CO2 has been rising.

Nothing.

There is no need to fund any research into CO2 because CO2 does NOTHING to Earth temperature.

You ever find your proof that North America had an Ice Age at the same time that Greenland was green?
 
How old were the 2 mile high glaciers that dug out the Great Lakes?

Antarctica took tens of millions of years to get them that high....
 
How old were the 2 mile high glaciers that dug out the Great Lakes?

Antarctica took tens of millions of years to get them that high....

How old were the 2 mile high glaciers that dug out the Great Lakes?

How old? And at what point in their existence was Greenland green?
 
Time line

approximately 50 million years ago - top of Northern Canada starts North American Ice age
approximately 1 million years ago - Greenland completely green, but not for long
- 2 mile high glaciers digging out Great Lakes - Canada buried under similar sized glaciers
approximately 16k years ago - more than 1 mile high glaciers still moving around in Indiana
- Greenland frozen up north to the mountain range just north of the southern tip, which is not frozen
1400 AD - Greenland's ice age engulfs entire island, driving Vikings off land
- North American ice age in full retreat and out of United States
2016 - idiot claims 2 mile high glaciers are not very old
 
The Ice Ages

General Overview of the Ice Ages

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Geologically speaking, we live in a time period of intense climatic change. Since the last 1 million years, our species and our human forebears experienced a dozen or so major glaciations of the northern hemisphere, with the greatest ever occurring around 650,000 years ago. During this period of extreme ice buildup, the ice advanced deep into the Midwest, from its center around Hudson Bay in Canada, and deep into Germany, from its center on the Scandinavian Shield. So much ice collected in these two major regions and several lesser ones that the sea level dropped by some 400 feet and the overall global temperature was lowered by around 5°C (about 9°F). Mammoth, mastodon, wooly rhinoceros, giant bison, camels, horses, and many large predators (cats, wolves, bears) roamed the grasslands well south of the rim of the miles-high ice, both in North America and in Europe. Small bands of humans made a living by hunting and gathering in Africa, and perhaps elsewhere. The glaciation that occurred 650,000 years ago lasted some 50,000 years. It had a profound effect on the landscape, carving great glacial valleys and fjords and lakes, and making moraines and glacial outwash plains around the perimeter of its extent. The greatly lowered sea level allowed rivers to cut deeply into the shelves of the continents and into the edges of the shelves, where the sea floor drops off into the deep ocean. Here canyons could form which would later serve to funnel sediments from the shelf into the deep sea.

After this great glaciation, a succession of smaller glaciations has followed, each separated by about 100,000 years from its predecessor, according to changes in the eccentricity of the Earth's orbit (a fact first discovered by the astronomer Johannes Kepler, 1571-1630). These periods of time when large areas of the Earth are covered by ice sheets are called �ice ages.� The last of the ice ages in human experience (often referred to as the Ice Age) reached its maximum roughly 20,000 years ago, and then gave way to warming. Sea level rose in two major steps, one centered near 14,000 years and the other near 11,500 years. However, between these two periods of rapid melting there was a pause in melting and sea level rise, known as the "Younger Dryas" period. During the Younger Dryas the climate system went back into almost fully glacial conditions, after having offered balmy conditions for more than 1000 years. The reasons for these large swings in climate change are not yet well understood.

isotopes in a standard, where d18O = [sample ratio]/[standard ratio]-1). Note how during low sealevel (when glaciers are expanding) the ocean becomes enriched in 18O, leading to a positive isotopic value (+1‰), while the glacier becomes �depleted� in 18O, giving it a negative isotopic value (-30‰). (See the glossary for an expanded overview of the �δ� notation under �Oxygen Isotopes.�)
Climate Change and Oxygen Isotopes
The details of such climate changes were first seen in deep-sea sediments containing the shells of small planktonic organisms called foraminifers. This can be done because when foraminifers are alive, they fix within themselves a ratio of two types of atoms of oxygen. The "normal" oxygen isotope, which is by far the most abundant, has eightprotons and eight neutrons in its nucleus; it is called "oxygen-16." The "heavy" oxygen isotope, called �oxygen-18,� has two more neutrons in the nucleus, but has the same number of protons and electrons. Oxygen-16 is found in higher concentrations in snow and ice, while oxygen-18 is enriched in the ocean. Therefore, whenever more water is extracted to make more ice the ocean leaves its �isotopic fingerprint� in the oxygen. This enrichment effect is, in turn, seen in the carbonate shells of the foraminifers (made of CaCO3), because the carbonate precipitates out of the seawater, and the oxygen used to build the carbonate crystals reflects the composition of the seawater. Through this method of analyzing oxygen isotopes in foraminifers, scientists have been able to determine when the Earth has produced more glaciers, and hence determined the times when ice ages have occurred.

There has been a succession of continental glaciations during the last one million years. When North America was covered with ice, so was Greenland and much of Europe. LaDumbkopf cannot give us sites that say otherwise, because there are no such sites that are credible.
 
Time line

approximately 50 million years ago - top of Northern Canada starts North American Ice age
approximately 1 million years ago - Greenland completely green, but not for long
- 2 mile high glaciers digging out Great Lakes - Canada buried under similar sized glaciers
approximately 16k years ago - more than 1 mile high glaciers still moving around in Indiana
- Greenland frozen up north to the mountain range just north of the southern tip, which is not frozen
1400 AD - Greenland's ice age engulfs entire island, driving Vikings off land
- North American ice age in full retreat and out of United States
2016 - idiot claims 2 mile high glaciers are not very old

approximately 50 million years ago - top of Northern Canada starts North American Ice age
approximately 1 million years ago - Greenland completely green, but not for long

Your claim is that 1 million years ago, while Greenland was green, North America was in an Ice Age?

2016 - idiot claims 2 mile high glaciers are not very old

Link?
 
Your claim is that 1 million years ago, while Greenland was green, North America was in an Ice Age?

For tens of millions of years, NA was in ice age while Greenland was completely green.

And the size of the glaciers digging out the Great Lakes is clue #1 about that, since the "warmers" have re-written most of the "ice age" pieces on the web to imply ice ages are really short, up down up down type of events, which is laughable. The ice from the NA Ice age took about a million years to reach the Great Lakes, but those glaciers were short. To get the 2 mile high glaciers to the Great Lakes, that took tens of millions of years...


And, yeah, you are the LINK to the idiot who thinks those glaciers were not very old..
 
The glaciation that occurred 650,000 years ago lasted some 50,000 years.

LMFAO!!!!


Up down up down up down...

in 50k years, you'd cover all of the Earth with 3 mile high glaciers, and then they all melt when someone farts, and then in about 20 years later they are back to 3 miles high...

THANKS....
 
Your claim is that 1 million years ago, while Greenland was green, North America was in an Ice Age?

For tens of millions of years, NA was in ice age while Greenland was completely green.

And the size of the glaciers digging out the Great Lakes is clue #1 about that, since the "warmers" have re-written most of the "ice age" pieces on the web to imply ice ages are really short, up down up down type of events, which is laughable. The ice from the NA Ice age took about a million years to reach the Great Lakes, but those glaciers were short. To get the 2 mile high glaciers to the Great Lakes, that took tens of millions of years...


And, yeah, you are the LINK to the idiot who thinks those glaciers were not very old..

For tens of millions of years, NA was in ice age


You think that there were ice sheets over NA, uninterrupted, for 10s of millions of years, until about 20,000 years ago?


while Greenland was completely green.


Interesting claim. Still lacking any backup.

who thinks those glaciers were not very old..

So no link? DERP!
 
Positive feedback drives carbon release from soils to atmosphere during Paleocene/Eocene warming
  1. Jennifer M. Cotton*,§,
  2. Nathan D. Sheldon*,
  3. Michael T. Hren** and
  4. Timothy M. Gallagher*


Abstract

The Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum (PETM) is the most rapid climatic warming event in the Cenozoic and informs us how the Earth system responds to large-scale changes to the carbon cycle. Warming was triggered by a massive release of 13C depleted carbon to the atmosphere, evidenced by negative carbon isotope excursions (CIE) in nearly every carbon pool on Earth. Differences in these CIEs can give insight into the response of different ecosystems to perturbations in the carbon cycle. Here we present records of δ13Ccc of pedogenic carbonates and δ13Corg from preserved soil organic matter in corresponding paleosols to understand changes to soil carbon during the PETM. CIEs during the event are larger in pedogenic carbonates than preserved organic matter for corresponding paleosols at three sites across two continents. The difference in the CIEs within soil carbon pools can be explained by increased respiration and carbon turnover rates of near-surface labile soil carbon. Increased rates of labile carbon cycling combined with decreases in the amount of preserved organic carbon in soils during the PETM suggests a decrease in the size of the soil carbon pool, resulting in a potential increase in atmospheric pCO2 and a positive feedback with warming. The PETM is a model for how the earth system responds to warming, and this mechanism would suggest that soils might serve as a large source for atmospheric CO2 during warming events.

From 50 to 35 million years ago, not only was North America warmer than today, there was period when it was much warmer. No continental glaciers at this time, period.
 
Arctic North American seasonal temperatures from the latest Miocene to the Early Pleistocene, based on mutual climatic range analysis of fossil beetle assemblages
Scott A Elias, John V Matthews Jr.







Canadian Journal of Earth Sciences, 2002, 39(6): 911-920, 10.1139/e01-096

ABSTRACT
Late Tertiary and early Quaternary fossil beds in the arctic regions of North America have yielded abundant, well-preserved remains of plants and arthropods, documenting the existence of coniferous forests in the high arctic latitudes. Nearly all of the beetle (Coleoptera) specimens in these fossil assemblages represent extant species. We have applied the mutual climatic range (MCR) method of paleotemperature analysis to fossil beetle assemblages from 11 sites to estimate mean summer (Tmax) and winter (Tmin) temperatures. We found that arctic Tmin values during the latest Miocene and Pliocene were substantially warmer than they are today. The MCR estimates therefore support the scenario derived from the paleobotanical data, namely that arctic Pliocene climates were far less continental. Several Pliocene-age assemblages from the high Arctic yielded Tmax estimates 9-10°C warmer than modern values at the sites. This is the same degree of warming required to allow coniferous forests to grow in the high Arctic. By 3 million years BP, a cooling trend is marked in the paleobotanical and fossil beetle evidence from Alaska. All assemblages dating between 5.7 and 2 million years BP yielded calibrated Tmax values between 12.4 and 13.8°C, regardless of location. Thus the insect fossil data support the theory that there was far less latitudinal gradation in temperatures during the Late Pliocene than there is today. Our reconstructions suggest regional climatic cooling (especially winter temperatures) began by at least 2 million years BP

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So, there really were no continental glaciers before about 2 million years ago in North America. Really, some people should do some basic research before flapping yap.
 
A model-data comparison of European temperatures in the Eemian interglacial



Abstract

[1] We present a comparison of reconstructed and simulated January and July temperatures in Europe for a time slice (∼125 kyr BP) within the last interglacial (Eemian, ∼127–116 kyr BP). The reconstructions, based on pollen and plant macrofossils, were performed on 48 European sites using a method based on probability density functions (pdf-method). The reconstructed most probable climate values were compared with a global climate simulation which was realized with a coupled ocean-atmosphere general circulation model. Orbital parameters and greenhouse gas concentrations have been adapted to conditions at 125 kyr BP. Reconstructions and simulation are concordant in showing higher temperatures than today over most parts of Europe in summer and in revealing a west-east-gradient in winter temperature differences with increasing anomalies toward eastern Europe. The results indicate that differences in the orbital parameters are sufficient to explain the reconstructed Eemian temperature patterns.

A model-data comparison of European temperatures in the Eemian interglacial - Kaspar - 2005 - Geophysical Research Letters - Wiley Online Library

The Eemian had about 300 ppm of CO2, and sea levels were about 20 ft. higher than today. The climate was warmer, and the North American continental glaciers were completely melted, as they are today. So, the continental glaciers that reached down south of the Canadian border were formed completely within the time since then.

At the site above you can get the complete article.
 
while Greenland was completely green.

Interesting claim. Still lacking any backup.


It is completely pointless to engage someone in debate who lies over and over about that which has been posted over and over...

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

It is completely pointless to engage someone in debate who lies over and over

But enough about you.
I haven't seen anyone here deny that Greenland was once green.
You claimed it was green while nearby, North America was in an Ice Age.

Still no proof provided. I did like the link you posted that showed both covered by ice at the same time. LOL!
 
while Greenland was completely green.

Interesting claim. Still lacking any backup.


It is completely pointless to engage someone in debate who lies over and over about that which has been posted over and over...

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green
And that is why one simply posts articles from real scientists to show what a fucking liar you truly are. Yes, greenland was green on occasion in the last two million years. However, most of the time, it was buried in ice. And when the continental glaciers in North America were at there maximum, Greenland was completely covered in ice.
 
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