Climate Scientist: We Don't Need Data, You Can See Global Warming on TV

[Toddsterpatriot]

No mention in your link that North America was covered in ice at the same time that Greenland was green.

That's because the article is about Greenland. The North American ice age glaciers were still in Indiana as late as 10k years ago...

Google

"Around 16,000 years ago glaciers covered Indiana. "


Just precisely how, where, and why the North American ice age glacier melted is not exact science. The last eruption of Yellowstone 640k years ago clearly did some of the damage, but also likely coated the ice with dark ash. What was left in Indiana 10k years ago was likely small, loose, and almost gone. What was there 1-10 million years ago was much more serious ice age glacier.

That's because the article is about Greenland.

You mean the article that doesn't prove your claim?

"Around 16,000 years ago glaciers covered Indiana. "

And Greenland was ice free at that time? Prove it.

 

[LaDexter]

Greenland was not ice free 16k years ago. The southern tip of Greenland was ice free until the 15th century when the Vikings had to flee - couldn't grow crops anymore. Greenland was big talking point of the Global Cooling scam of the 1970s.

North American ice age lasted about 50 million years, and just ended.

These "interglacial periods" are all wrong. The carbon dating from Greenland proves it. Many morons look at the southern tip of South America, notice it was recently covered with glaciers, and come to the bogus conclusion that Antarctic ice was much larger within the past 50 million years. What really happened was that South America and Antarctica were attached when they broke off from Africa 125 million years ago. That's what glaciated the southern tip of South America. South America is also not moving just west, it is swinging like a golf club, with the southern part now moving NW. When that southern tip of South America started swinging back up (north), that was the "tug" that broke it off from Antarctica.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Greenland was not ice free 16k years ago. The southern tip of Greenland was ice free until the 15th century when the Vikings had to flee - couldn't grow crops anymore. Greenland was big talking point of the Global Cooling scam of the 1970s.

North American ice age lasted about 50 million years, and just ended.

These "interglacial periods" are all wrong. The carbon dating from Greenland proves it. Many morons look at the southern tip of South America, notice it was recently covered with glaciers, and come to the bogus conclusion that Antarctic ice was much larger within the past 50 million years. What really happened was that South America and Antarctica were attached when they broke off from Africa 125 million years ago. That's what glaciated the southern tip of South America. South America is also not moving just west, it is swinging like a golf club, with the southern part now moving NW. When that southern tip of South America started swinging back up (north), that was the "tug" that broke it off from Antarctica.

Greenland was not ice free 16k years ago.

They both had ice at the same time.
Still not helping your original claim.
Try again?

 

[LaDexter]

Greenland was ice free one million years ago. NA was covered with glacier one million years ago.

Now, Greenland is covered with ice, and NA has thawed considerably. Greenland's ice age glacier pushes more than 100 miles south of the Arctic Circle. NA has trees 500 miles north of the Arctic Circle. One million years ago, that was in complete reverse, as Indiana was still hundreds of miles south of the Arctic Circle when it was covered by mile high glaciers.

 

[LaDexter]

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Greenland was ice free one million years ago. NA was covered with glacier one million years ago.

Now, Greenland is covered with ice, and NA has thawed considerably. Greenland's ice age glacier pushes more than 100 miles south of the Arctic Circle. NA has trees 500 miles north of the Arctic Circle. One million years ago, that was in complete reverse, as Indiana was still hundreds of miles south of the Arctic Circle when it was covered by mile high glaciers.

Greenland was ice free one million years ago. NA was covered with glacier one million years ago.

You just can't prove it.

 

[LaDexter]

LOL!!!

Greenland is proven by two things - one, the carbon dating of objects beneath the thickest part of the ice, and two, the fact that Greenland has been moving NW for the past 100 million years...

NA covered with glacier ice is well documented by links provided.

Over the past million years, Greenland froze while NA thawed.

And Antarctica did not have more ice 40 million years ago vs. today - rather, the southern tip of South America used to have ice when it was attached to AA, but broke off tens of millions of years ago.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

LOL!!!

Greenland is proven by two things - one, the carbon dating of objects beneath the thickest part of the ice, and two, the fact that Greenland has been moving NW for the past 100 million years...

NA covered with glacier ice is well documented by links provided.

Over the past million years, Greenland froze while NA thawed.

And Antarctica did not have more ice 40 million years ago vs. today - rather, the southern tip of South America used to have ice when it was attached to AA, but broke off tens of millions of years ago.

Just admit you lied when you said Greenland thawed while NA froze.
Then I can stop pointing out your posts don't help prove your lie.

 

[LaDexter]

Just admit you lied when you said Greenland thawed while NA froze.

LMAO!!!

You haven't laid a glove on anything I've posted.




Though not 100% correct, the above link is worth watching...

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Just admit you lied when you said Greenland thawed while NA froze.

LMAO!!!

You haven't laid a glove on anything I've posted.




Though not 100% correct, the above link is worth watching...

I asked you to prove your claim that Greenland thawed while NA froze.
How many posts have you gone without providing your proof? Derp!

 

[koshergrl]

How arrogant of someone to state that mankind can have a significant long term effect on global climate. Are they really saying that we are more powerful than "Mother Earth"?

No. That's your loopy strawman. It's also a dumb statement because it's meaningless, unless you define "more powerful" and "Mother Earth" precisely. That is, it's fuzzy feelgood nonsense.

Just some food for thought, if you are still willing to THINK CRITICALLY, and have the ability.

You failed at thinking critically. You're relying on the logical fallacy "climate has changed naturally, therefore humans can't change climate". By that same bad logic, it's impossible for humans to cause forest fires, since forest fires used to always be natural.

Rest assured that all the scientists and rational people recognize how bad your logic is.

Paraphrase: You big dummy, man is the ultimate power of the UNIVERSE!!!!

 

[LaDexter]

I provide proof.

You post that isn't proof.

cycle repeat.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I provide proof.

You post that isn't proof.

cycle repeat.

Your claim that Greenland thawed and NA froze 1 million years ago isn't useful proof.
Anything with a little more precision?
So I can stop pointing and laughing at your silly claim?

 

[LaDexter]

You apparently are rejecting the carbon dating of that which was under more than a mile of ice on Greenland as evidence, and the well documented "North American Ice Age."

But you don't offer anything to refute, because it would be laughable...

 

[koshergrl]

You apparently are rejecting the carbon dating of that which was under more than a mile of ice on Greenland as evidence, and the well documented "North American Ice Age."

But you don't offer anything to refute, because it would be laughable...

Carbon dating is a joke..and you haven't provided it anyway.

 

[LaDexter]

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

"The oldest ever recovered DNA samples have been collected from under more than a mile of Greenland ice, and their analysis suggests the island was much warmer during the last Ice Age than previously thought.

The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetles."

 

[LaDexter]

"the last Ice Age" is when NA was frozen past Indiana...

Dummies thought that meant everything was frozen, including ocean and Greenland. In fact, just NA was frozen, while Greenland was entirely green right next to NA...

ICE AGES are CONTINENT SPECIFIC.

 

[oldsoul]

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

"The oldest ever recovered DNA samples have been collected from under more than a mile of Greenland ice, and their analysis suggests the island was much warmer during the last Ice Age than previously thought.

The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetles."

For the record, I am NOT disagreeing with you. For the sake of substantive argument, please divulge your source.

 

[jc456]

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

"The oldest ever recovered DNA samples have been collected from under more than a mile of Greenland ice, and their analysis suggests the island was much warmer during the last Ice Age than previously thought.

The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetles."

For the record, I am NOT disagreeing with you. For the sake of substantive argument, please divulge your source.

just wondering who took the photos back 450,000 years ago. Seems like what you're asking.

 

[oldsoul]

Ancient Greenland Was Actually Green

"The oldest ever recovered DNA samples have been collected from under more than a mile of Greenland ice, and their analysis suggests the island was much warmer during the last Ice Age than previously thought.

The DNA is proof that sometime between 450,000 and 800,000 years ago, much of Greenland was especially green and covered in a boreal forest that was home to alder, spruce and pine trees, as well as insects such as butterflies and beetles."

For the record, I am NOT disagreeing with you. For the sake of substantive argument, please divulge your source.

just wondering who took the photos back 450,000 years ago. Seems like what you're asking.

Nope, not what I'm asking, but nice try. I am looking for the source of the posted quote, or did I miss it?