Climate Change Remains Unsettled, Say 31,072 Scientists

[skookerasbil]

 

[Crick]

It's ironic that you claim to find visiting this forum so humorously entertaining when, to the rest of the world, the only thing you accomplish coming here is to show us all how incredibly - really incredibly -stupid you are.

 

[IanC]

Nothing is going to help "the crap science and unethical behavior" because those items have no reality to alter. They are the manufactured charges of the fossil fuel industry's propaganda advisers. Reality has nothing to do with them.

The $580 million dollars spent on denier funding went somewhere, didn't it Ian. And if you want to see someone specifically bought and sold you need look no further than the Heartland Institute.

out of curiosity, where did the 580 million figure come from? and what percentage of Heartland funding do you think goes into climate change areas?

 

[Crick]

Nothing is going to help "the crap science and unethical behavior" because those items have no reality to alter. They are the manufactured charges of the fossil fuel industry's propaganda advisers. Reality has nothing to do with them.

The $580 million dollars spent on denier funding went somewhere, didn't it Ian. And if you want to see someone specifically bought and sold you need look no further than the Heartland Institute.

out of curiosity, where did the 580 million figure come from? and what percentage of Heartland funding do you think goes into climate change areas?

A thousand pardons. It was only $558 million

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort - Scientific American

Heartland Institute funders:

Foundation funders
Media Transparency lists Heartland as having received grants from a range of foundations between 1986 and 2009. Of these foundations, by far the largest donor has been the foundation of Chicago industrialist Barre Seid[44], maker of Tripp Lite surge protectors.
Barbara and Barre Seid Foundation $1,037,977
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation $648,000
Exxon Mobil $531,500
Walton Family Foundation $400,000
Sarah Scaife Foundation $325,000
Charlotte and Walter Kohler Charitable Trust $190,500
Jaquelin Hume Foundation $166,000
Rodney Fund $135,000
JM Foundation $82,000
Castle Rock Foundation $70,000
Roe Foundation $41,500
John M. Olin Foundation $40,000
Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation $40,000
Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation $37,578
Armstrong Foundation $30,000
Hickory Foundation $13,000
Carthage Foundation $10,000
Exxon funding
****************************************
From the same article:

Campaign Against Climate Science

The leaked documents offer a glimpse into the Heartland Institute’s campaign against climate science. The documents suggest that Heartland is planning new push to undermine the teaching of global warming in public schools

The leaked documents outline plans to promote a curriculum that would cast doubt on the scientific finding that fossil fuel emissions endanger the long-term welfare of the planet. One particular document says, “Principals and teachers are heavily biased toward the alarmist perspective.” [32]

"Global warming experts"
List

As of December 2009, individuals on the list were[1]:
Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Founding Director, International Arctic Research Center
David Archibald, Scientist (no affiliation given)
J. Scott Armstrong, Professor, Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania
Dennis Avery, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist and Senior Scientist, George C. Marshall Institute
Timothy Ball, Environmental Consultant and Former Climatology Professor, University of Winnipeg
Robert Balling, Professor of Climatology, Arizona State University
Joseph Bast, President and CEO, The Heartland Institute
E. Calvin Beisner, National Spokesman, Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation
David Bellamy, Botanist, The Conservation Foundation (UK)
Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, Reader in Geography, University of Hull
Donald Boudreaux , Chairman, Department of Economics, George Mason University (and Adjunct Scholar at the Cato Institute - Ed.)
Alexandra (Sandy) Bourne, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Robert Bradley, President, Institute for Energy Research
William Briggs, Statistical Consultant, New York Methodist Hospital
H. Sterling Burnett, Senior Fellow, National Center for Policy Analysis
Robert Carter , Marine Geologist, James Cook University
Randall Cerveny, Associate Professor of Geography, Arizona State University
John Charles, President and CEO, Cascade Policy Institute
Paul Chesser, Director, Climate Strategies Watch
Kenneth Chilton, Director, Institute for Study of Economics and the Environment
John Christy, Director, Earth System Science Center, University of Alabama at Huntsville
Ian Clark, Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
John Coleman, Meteorologist, KUSI-TV San Diego
Ralph Conner, Local Legislation Manager, The Heartland Institute
Roy Cordato, Vice President for Research, John Locke Foundation
Richard Courtney, Energy and Environment Consultant
Joseph D'Aleo, Executive Director, Icecap.us
Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, University of Auckland
Peter Dietze, Energy Advisor and Climate Modeler, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
David Douglass, Professor of Physics, University of Rochester
Paul Driessen, Senior Fellow, Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow
John Dunn, Policy Advisor, The Heartland Institute
Freeman Dyson, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies at Princeton
Myron Ebell, Director, Energy and Global Warming Policy, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Michael Economides, Professor, Cullen College of Engineering, University of Houston
Robert Essenhigh, Bailey Professor of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University
Christopher Essex, Professor, Department of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario
Michael Fox, Consultant, Nuclear Energy
Dan Gainor, Vice President, Business & Media Institute
Lee Gerhard, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas
Ivar Giaever, Fellow, American Physical Society
Indur Goklany, Visiting Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
Fred Goldberg, Climate Analyst
Stanley Goldenberg, Meteorologist, Hurricane Research Division/AOML/NOAA
Robert Gordon, President, Responsible Resources
Lawrence Gould, Professor of Physics, University of Hartford
Vincent Gray, Expert Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
William Gray, Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University
Kenneth Green, Resident Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
Kesten Green, Senior Research Fellow, Monash University
Tom Harris, Executive Director, International Climate Science Coalition
Howard Hayden, Professor of Physics Emeritus, University of Connecticut
David Henderson, Former Head, Economics and Statistics Department, Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development
Ben Herman, Professor, University of Arizona Institute of Atmospheric Physics
Donald Hertzmark, Adjunct Professor in Global Electricity Markets, Johns Hopkins University
Art Horn, Meteorologist, The Art of Weather
Chris Horner, Senior Fellow, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Craig Idso, Founder and Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
Andrei Illarionov, Senior Fellow, Cato Institute
Roy Innis, National Chairman and CEO, Congress of Racial Equality
Kiminori Itoh, Professor, Yokohama National University
Yuri Izrael, Vice Chairman, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
James Johnston, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Madhav Khandekar, Former Research Scientist, Environment Canada (and on Friends of Science advisory board - Ed.)
William Kininmonth, Scientist, Australasian Climate Research
Václav Klaus, President, Czech Republic
Hans Labohm, Guest Teacher, Netherlands Defense Academy
Christopher Landsea, Science and Operations Officer, National Hurricane Center
David Legates, Climatologist and Director, Delaware Environmental Observing System
Jay Lehr, Science Director, The Heartland Institute
Marlo Lewis, Senior Fellow, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Henry Linden, Professor of Energy and Power Engineering and Management, Illinois Institute of Technology
Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Craig Loehle, Principal Scientist, National Council for Air and Stream Improvement
Bjorn Lomborg, Director, Copenhagen Consensus Centre
Leon Louw, Executive Director, Free Market Foundation
Anthony Lupo, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri - Columbia
Howard Maccabee, Founding President, Doctors for Disaster Preparedness
Ken Malloy, Executive Director, Center for the Study of Carbon and Energy Markets
Jim Martin, President, 60 Plus Association
Phelim McAleer, Director and Producer, Not Evil Just Wrong
Ann McElhinney, Director and Producer, Not Evil Just Wrong
Ross McKitrick, Associate Professor of Economics, University of Guelph
Owen McShane, Chairman, Policy Panel, New Zealand Climate Science Coalition
Fred Michel, Director, Institute of Environmental Science, Carleton University
Steven Milloy, Portfolio Manager, Free Enterprise Action Fund
Ferenc Miskolczi, Atmospheric Physicist (no affiliation given)
Barun Mitra, Founder and Director, Liberty Institute
Christopher Monckton, Chief Policy Advisor, Science and Public Policy Institute
Marc Morano, Communications Director(sic), Senate Environment and Public Works Committee
Julian Morris, Executive Director, International Policy Network
Robert Murphy, Economist, Institute for Energy Research
Iain Murray, Director of Projects and Analysis/Senior Fellow, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Todd Myers, Environmental Director, Washington Policy Center
James O'Brien, Professor Emeritus of Meteorology and Oceanography, The Florida State University
Kendra Okonski, Former Environment Programme Director, International Policy Network
R. Timothy Patterson, Professor of Geology, Carleton University
Benny Peiser, Social Anthropologist
Alfred Pekarek, Assistant Professor of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, St. Cloud State University
Roger Pielke, Professor and Fellow, Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences
Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide
Eric Posmentier, Adjunct Faculty Member, Dartmouth College
Andreas Prokoph, Adjunct Professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Richard Rahn, Chairman, Institute for Global Economic Growth
Paul Reiter, Professor, Institut Pasteur
Ronald Rychlak, Professor of Law and Associate Dean for Academic Affairs, University of Mississippi School of Law
Harrison Schmitt, Former NASA Astronaut and U.S. Senator
David Schnare, Senior Fellow - Energy and the Environment, Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy
Joel Schwartz, Visiting Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
Tom Segalstad, Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo
Nir Shaviv, Professor, Racah Institute of Physics
Daniel Simmons, Director of State Affairs, Institute for Energy Research
S. Fred Singer, Founder and President, Science and Environmental Policy Project
Fred Smith, President and Founder, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Lawrence Solomon, Founder and Managing Director, Energy Probe Research Foundation
Willie Soon, Chief Science Advisor, Science and Public Policy Institute
Douglas Southgate, Environmental Economist, Department of Agricultural, Environmental, and Development , Ohio State University
Roy Spencer, Principal Research Scientist, University of Alabama at Huntsville
John Sununu, President, JHS Associates, Ltd.
Gordon Swaters, University of Alberta
Thomas Tanton, Fellow in Environmental Studies, Pacific Research Institute
George Taylor, State Climatologist and Faculty Member, Oregon State University
James Taylor, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Mitch Taylor, Polar Bear Biologist, Lakehead University
John Theon, (no affiliation given)
Margo Thorning, Senior Vice President and Chief Economist, American Council for Capital Formation
David Tuerck, President, Beacon Hill Institute
Brian Valentine, General Engineer, U.S. Department of Energy's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy
G. Cornelis van Kooten, Professor and Canada Research Chair, University of Victoria
Jan Veizer, Professor, University of Ottawa
Paul Waggoner, Distinguished Scientist, The Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station
Anthony Watts, Founder, SurfaceStations.org
Gerd-Rainer Weber, Scientist, German Coal Mining Association
Boris Winterhalter, Senior Marine Research (retired), Geological Survey of Finland
David Wojick, Consultant, Office of Scientific and Technical Information
Miklos Zagoni, Physicist and Science Historian, Eotvos Lorand University (Budapest)
Antonino Zichichi, Founder and Director, Ettore Majorana Foundation and Centre for Scientific Culture

(As a group, "Global warming experts" who minimize the risks of climate change have less expertise than those who don't.[33])

The Heartland Institute's Environmental "expert," James M. Taylor, is a lawyer based in Florida. Despite presenting a veneer of scientific expertise in their Environmental advocacy, the Heartland lacks any scientists trained to understand climate issues.

Actions and policy

Disputing global warming

Heartland's climate conferences

March 2008, The 2008 International Conference on Climate Change[34]
March 2009, International Conference on Climate Change (2009), in New York.[35][36]
June 2009, Third International Conference on Climate Change in Washington, DC on June 2, 2009 at the Washington Court Hotel, to "call attention to widespread dissent to the asserted 'consensus' on various aspects of climate change and global warming," according to Heartland's announcement of the event. "The conference's theme will be Climate Change: Scientific Debate and Economic Analysis. The theme reflects the fact that the scientific debate is not over and that economic analysis is more important than ever, now that legislation is being seriously considered. The real science and economics of climate change support the view that global warming is not a crisis and that immediate action to reduce emissions is not necessary. This is, in fact, the emerging consensus view of scientists outside the IPCC and most economists outside environmental advocacy groups," Heartland's website states. [37]
May 2010, Fourth, Chicago
Oct 2010, Fifth (Pacific Rim), Sydney, Australia
June 2011, Sixth, Washington DC. Non-fringe climate scientist Scott Denning gave an excellent talk, pointing out that "climate will change a lot in the next generation and policy will be enacted" and yet "the political right has been AWOL in proposing effective solutions". He challenged his audience not to shirk their responsibility: "we need effective solutions...only a free market can bring this kind of change about...who will advocate for these solutions? If free market advocates shirk their responsibility, others will dictate the policy."[38],[39]

Conference funding
2009: Sponsors' main funder is Scaife
An analysis of the 2009 conference sponsors' corporate-and-foundation funding revealed 78% was from the Scaife foundations[40] of Richard Mellon Scaife.
****************************************************************************************************

I assume you're aware of the several other questionable positions Heartland has taken in support of the interests of its donors. Tobacco doesn't cause cancer. Drinking water is just another market resource. Health insurance should be deregulated. The government should be passing out school vouchers. Public services would be better served by private industry. We need and will benefit from genetically engineered crops.

 

[skookerasbil]

It's ironic that you claim to find visiting this forum so humorously entertaining when, to the rest of the world, the only thing you accomplish coming here is to show us all how incredibly - really incredibly -stupid you are.

but winning


The more Im called "stupid", "retard", "cultist", "clueless" and "moron", the more it tells me and my skeptic pals we're winning........BIG!!!


Almost 80,000 views of WINNING!!



http://www.usmessageboard.com/environment/313851-more-proof-the-skeptics-are-winning.html

 

[skookerasbil]

Oh....and ps.......


'Dark Money' Funds To Promote Global Warming Alarmism Dwarf Warming 'Denier' Research


'Dark Money' Funds To Promote Global Warming Alarmism Dwarf Warming 'Denier' Research - Forbes



Oooooooooops!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Crick]

That would be because you're too stupid to realize the other, far more likely alternative: you actually ARE that stupid.

 

[skookerasbil]

 

[Crick]

Oh....and ps.......


'Dark Money' Funds To Promote Global Warming Alarmism Dwarf Warming 'Denier' Research


'Dark Money' Funds To Promote Global Warming Alarmism Dwarf Warming 'Denier' Research - Forbes

Oooooooooops!

That's not an oops. This is a bullshit. Quoting James Taylor and Forbes magazine is PRECISELY equivalent to saying "THIS STATEMENT IS AN IGNORANT LIE".

For one, not one penny of the $558 million was spent on CLIMATE RESEARCH. It was spent on PROPAGANDA pushing LIES.

 

[HelenaHandbag]

Anybody counting all the coverage in the "news" and other network propaganda efforts, like NBC's silly green week, in these expenditures?

 

[mamooth]

Since most of the media are corporate shills who bend over backwards to give air time to denier liars, why on earth would you want to bring that up? It just shoots down your claims of victimhood.

 

[bripat9643]

Since most of the media are corporate shills who bend over backwards to give air time to denier liars, why on earth would you want to bring that up? It just shoots down your claims of victimhood.

Yeah, right, the media is over populated with conservatives.

Do you not understand why everyone snickers when you post?

 

[bripat9643]

Nothing is going to help "the crap science and unethical behavior" because those items have no reality to alter. They are the manufactured charges of the fossil fuel industry's propaganda advisers. Reality has nothing to do with them.

The $580 million dollars spent on denier funding went somewhere, didn't it Ian. And if you want to see someone specifically bought and sold you need look no further than the Heartland Institute.

out of curiosity, where did the 580 million figure come from? and what percentage of Heartland funding do you think goes into climate change areas?

A thousand pardons. It was only $558 million

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort - Scientific American

Heartland Institute funders:

Foundation funders
Media Transparency lists Heartland as having received grants from a range of foundations between 1986 and 2009. Of these foundations, by far the largest donor has been the foundation of Chicago industrialist Barre Seid[44], maker of Tripp Lite surge protectors.
Barbara and Barre Seid Foundation $1,037,977
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation $648,000
Exxon Mobil $531,500
Walton Family Foundation $400,000
Sarah Scaife Foundation $325,000
Charlotte and Walter Kohler Charitable Trust $190,500
Jaquelin Hume Foundation $166,000
Rodney Fund $135,000
JM Foundation $82,000
Castle Rock Foundation $70,000
Roe Foundation $41,500
John M. Olin Foundation $40,000
Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation $40,000
Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation $37,578
Armstrong Foundation $30,000
Hickory Foundation $13,000
Carthage Foundation $10,000
Exxon funding
****************************************
From the same article:

Campaign Against Climate Science

The leaked documents offer a glimpse into the Heartland Institute’s campaign against climate science. The documents suggest that Heartland is planning new push to undermine the teaching of global warming in public schools

The leaked documents outline plans to promote a curriculum that would cast doubt on the scientific finding that fossil fuel emissions endanger the long-term welfare of the planet. One particular document says, “Principals and teachers are heavily biased toward the alarmist perspective.” [32]

"Global warming experts"
List

As of December 2009, individuals on the list were[1]:
Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Founding Director, International Arctic Research Center
David Archibald, Scientist (no affiliation given)
J. Scott Armstrong, Professor, Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania
Dennis Avery, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist and Senior Scientist, George C. Marshall Institute
Timothy Ball, Environmental Consultant and Former Climatology Professor, University of Winnipeg
Robert Balling, Professor of Climatology, Arizona State University
Joseph Bast, President and CEO, The Heartland Institute
E. Calvin Beisner, National Spokesman, Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation
David Bellamy, Botanist, The Conservation Foundation (UK)
Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, Reader in Geography, University of Hull
Donald Boudreaux , Chairman, Department of Economics, George Mason University (and Adjunct Scholar at the Cato Institute - Ed.)
Alexandra (Sandy) Bourne, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Robert Bradley, President, Institute for Energy Research
William Briggs, Statistical Consultant, New York Methodist Hospital
H. Sterling Burnett, Senior Fellow, National Center for Policy Analysis
Robert Carter , Marine Geologist, James Cook University
Randall Cerveny, Associate Professor of Geography, Arizona State University
John Charles, President and CEO, Cascade Policy Institute
Paul Chesser, Director, Climate Strategies Watch
Kenneth Chilton, Director, Institute for Study of Economics and the Environment
John Christy, Director, Earth System Science Center, University of Alabama at Huntsville
Ian Clark, Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
John Coleman, Meteorologist, KUSI-TV San Diego
Ralph Conner, Local Legislation Manager, The Heartland Institute
Roy Cordato, Vice President for Research, John Locke Foundation
Richard Courtney, Energy and Environment Consultant
Joseph D'Aleo, Executive Director, Icecap.us
Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, University of Auckland
Peter Dietze, Energy Advisor and Climate Modeler, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
David Douglass, Professor of Physics, University of Rochester
Paul Driessen, Senior Fellow, Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow
John Dunn, Policy Advisor, The Heartland Institute
Freeman Dyson, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies at Princeton
Myron Ebell, Director, Energy and Global Warming Policy, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Michael Economides, Professor, Cullen College of Engineering, University of Houston
Robert Essenhigh, Bailey Professor of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University
Christopher Essex, Professor, Department of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario
Michael Fox, Consultant, Nuclear Energy
Dan Gainor, Vice President, Business & Media Institute
Lee Gerhard, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas
Ivar Giaever, Fellow, American Physical Society
Indur Goklany, Visiting Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
Fred Goldberg, Climate Analyst
Stanley Goldenberg, Meteorologist, Hurricane Research Division/AOML/NOAA
Robert Gordon, President, Responsible Resources
Lawrence Gould, Professor of Physics, University of Hartford
Vincent Gray, Expert Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
William Gray, Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University
Kenneth Green, Resident Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
Kesten Green, Senior Research Fellow, Monash University
Tom Harris, Executive Director, International Climate Science Coalition
Howard Hayden, Professor of Physics Emeritus, University of Connecticut
David Henderson, Former Head, Economics and Statistics Department, Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development
Ben Herman, Professor, University of Arizona Institute of Atmospheric Physics
Donald Hertzmark, Adjunct Professor in Global Electricity Markets, Johns Hopkins University
Art Horn, Meteorologist, The Art of Weather
Chris Horner, Senior Fellow, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Craig Idso, Founder and Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
Andrei Illarionov, Senior Fellow, Cato Institute
Roy Innis, National Chairman and CEO, Congress of Racial Equality
Kiminori Itoh, Professor, Yokohama National University
Yuri Izrael, Vice Chairman, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
James Johnston, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Madhav Khandekar, Former Research Scientist, Environment Canada (and on Friends of Science advisory board - Ed.)
William Kininmonth, Scientist, Australasian Climate Research
Václav Klaus, President, Czech Republic
Hans Labohm, Guest Teacher, Netherlands Defense Academy
Christopher Landsea, Science and Operations Officer, National Hurricane Center
David Legates, Climatologist and Director, Delaware Environmental Observing System
Jay Lehr, Science Director, The Heartland Institute
Marlo Lewis, Senior Fellow, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Henry Linden, Professor of Energy and Power Engineering and Management, Illinois Institute of Technology
Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Craig Loehle, Principal Scientist, National Council for Air and Stream Improvement
Bjorn Lomborg, Director, Copenhagen Consensus Centre
Leon Louw, Executive Director, Free Market Foundation
Anthony Lupo, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri - Columbia
Howard Maccabee, Founding President, Doctors for Disaster Preparedness
Ken Malloy, Executive Director, Center for the Study of Carbon and Energy Markets
Jim Martin, President, 60 Plus Association
Phelim McAleer, Director and Producer, Not Evil Just Wrong
Ann McElhinney, Director and Producer, Not Evil Just Wrong
Ross McKitrick, Associate Professor of Economics, University of Guelph
Owen McShane, Chairman, Policy Panel, New Zealand Climate Science Coalition
Fred Michel, Director, Institute of Environmental Science, Carleton University
Steven Milloy, Portfolio Manager, Free Enterprise Action Fund
Ferenc Miskolczi, Atmospheric Physicist (no affiliation given)
Barun Mitra, Founder and Director, Liberty Institute
Christopher Monckton, Chief Policy Advisor, Science and Public Policy Institute
Marc Morano, Communications Director(sic), Senate Environment and Public Works Committee
Julian Morris, Executive Director, International Policy Network
Robert Murphy, Economist, Institute for Energy Research
Iain Murray, Director of Projects and Analysis/Senior Fellow, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Todd Myers, Environmental Director, Washington Policy Center
James O'Brien, Professor Emeritus of Meteorology and Oceanography, The Florida State University
Kendra Okonski, Former Environment Programme Director, International Policy Network
R. Timothy Patterson, Professor of Geology, Carleton University
Benny Peiser, Social Anthropologist
Alfred Pekarek, Assistant Professor of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, St. Cloud State University
Roger Pielke, Professor and Fellow, Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences
Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide
Eric Posmentier, Adjunct Faculty Member, Dartmouth College
Andreas Prokoph, Adjunct Professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Richard Rahn, Chairman, Institute for Global Economic Growth
Paul Reiter, Professor, Institut Pasteur
Ronald Rychlak, Professor of Law and Associate Dean for Academic Affairs, University of Mississippi School of Law
Harrison Schmitt, Former NASA Astronaut and U.S. Senator
David Schnare, Senior Fellow - Energy and the Environment, Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy
Joel Schwartz, Visiting Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
Tom Segalstad, Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo
Nir Shaviv, Professor, Racah Institute of Physics
Daniel Simmons, Director of State Affairs, Institute for Energy Research
S. Fred Singer, Founder and President, Science and Environmental Policy Project
Fred Smith, President and Founder, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Lawrence Solomon, Founder and Managing Director, Energy Probe Research Foundation
Willie Soon, Chief Science Advisor, Science and Public Policy Institute
Douglas Southgate, Environmental Economist, Department of Agricultural, Environmental, and Development , Ohio State University
Roy Spencer, Principal Research Scientist, University of Alabama at Huntsville
John Sununu, President, JHS Associates, Ltd.
Gordon Swaters, University of Alberta
Thomas Tanton, Fellow in Environmental Studies, Pacific Research Institute
George Taylor, State Climatologist and Faculty Member, Oregon State University
James Taylor, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Mitch Taylor, Polar Bear Biologist, Lakehead University
John Theon, (no affiliation given)
Margo Thorning, Senior Vice President and Chief Economist, American Council for Capital Formation
David Tuerck, President, Beacon Hill Institute
Brian Valentine, General Engineer, U.S. Department of Energy's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy
G. Cornelis van Kooten, Professor and Canada Research Chair, University of Victoria
Jan Veizer, Professor, University of Ottawa
Paul Waggoner, Distinguished Scientist, The Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station
Anthony Watts, Founder, SurfaceStations.org
Gerd-Rainer Weber, Scientist, German Coal Mining Association
Boris Winterhalter, Senior Marine Research (retired), Geological Survey of Finland
David Wojick, Consultant, Office of Scientific and Technical Information
Miklos Zagoni, Physicist and Science Historian, Eotvos Lorand University (Budapest)
Antonino Zichichi, Founder and Director, Ettore Majorana Foundation and Centre for Scientific Culture

(As a group, "Global warming experts" who minimize the risks of climate change have less expertise than those who don't.[33])

The Heartland Institute's Environmental "expert," James M. Taylor, is a lawyer based in Florida. Despite presenting a veneer of scientific expertise in their Environmental advocacy, the Heartland lacks any scientists trained to understand climate issues.

Actions and policy

Disputing global warming

Heartland's climate conferences

March 2008, The 2008 International Conference on Climate Change[34]
March 2009, International Conference on Climate Change (2009), in New York.[35][36]
June 2009, Third International Conference on Climate Change in Washington, DC on June 2, 2009 at the Washington Court Hotel, to "call attention to widespread dissent to the asserted 'consensus' on various aspects of climate change and global warming," according to Heartland's announcement of the event. "The conference's theme will be Climate Change: Scientific Debate and Economic Analysis. The theme reflects the fact that the scientific debate is not over and that economic analysis is more important than ever, now that legislation is being seriously considered. The real science and economics of climate change support the view that global warming is not a crisis and that immediate action to reduce emissions is not necessary. This is, in fact, the emerging consensus view of scientists outside the IPCC and most economists outside environmental advocacy groups," Heartland's website states. [37]
May 2010, Fourth, Chicago
Oct 2010, Fifth (Pacific Rim), Sydney, Australia
June 2011, Sixth, Washington DC. Non-fringe climate scientist Scott Denning gave an excellent talk, pointing out that "climate will change a lot in the next generation and policy will be enacted" and yet "the political right has been AWOL in proposing effective solutions". He challenged his audience not to shirk their responsibility: "we need effective solutions...only a free market can bring this kind of change about...who will advocate for these solutions? If free market advocates shirk their responsibility, others will dictate the policy."[38],[39]

Conference funding
2009: Sponsors' main funder is Scaife
An analysis of the 2009 conference sponsors' corporate-and-foundation funding revealed 78% was from the Scaife foundations[40] of Richard Mellon Scaife.
****************************************************************************************************

I assume you're aware of the several other questionable positions Heartland has taken in support of the interests of its donors. Tobacco doesn't cause cancer. Drinking water is just another market resource. Health insurance should be deregulated. The government should be passing out school vouchers. Public services would be better served by private industry. We need and will benefit from genetically engineered crops.

Thanks for pointing out all the good work the Heartland Institute is doing. I think I'll send them a check. BTW, I doubt they have supported the notion that Tobacco doesn't cause cancer. What they have said is that 2nd hand smoke doesn't cause cancer. All the scientific evidence indicates that they are right.

Your belief that the above positions are "questionable" only shows what a partisan deluded moron you are. The reality is that they are all economic or scientific facts.

 

[bripat9643]

That would be because you're too stupid to realize the other, far more likely alternative: you actually ARE that stupid.

You're a brain washed Obama dick sucking drone, crick. You've made that obvious. You believe every piece of pinko anti-American propaganda the commie propaganda outlets publish.

 

[Crick]

My comment was addressed to Skookerasslib, but if you'd like to partner up with the man; using terms like "pinko" and "commie" can certainly help bring you two into some sort of intelllectual equivalence.

ps: The Obama administration has not to my knowledge expressed an opinion regarding Skookerasslib's intellectual qualifications. Have you seen something the rest of us have missed?

 

[skookerasbil]

Anybody counting all the coverage in the "news" and other network propaganda efforts, like NBC's silly green week, in these expenditures?

Indeed......like so many people in this country, they have been hopelessly duped and are deep into the matrix. Mostly its the younger crowd.......the older people are just mental cases......but the under 35 crowd are just PC zombies. Whats fascinating to me is that these bozo's have no recognition that there are special interests attached to "climate change". No clue......its big bad oil and meanwhile, the green industry......the few.....are getting filthy rich thanks to the PC zombies.


But.....does make for a hoot of a time on this forum, let me tell ya!!

 

[skookerasbil]

My comment was addressed to Skookerasslib, but if you'd like to partner up with the man; using terms like "pinko" and "commie" can certainly help bring you two into some sort of intelllectual equivalence.

ps: The Obama administration has not to my knowledge expressed an opinion regarding Skookerasslib's intellectual qualifications. Have you seen something the rest of us have missed?

Hey....what can I say? Maybe I am dumb as a stump but me and the people on my side are winning in epic fashion, provable, I might add with facts.

Behold the latest Obama EIA graph. I screams losing for the AGW climate k00ks. It proves waaaaaaaaaaaaaay beyond a reasonable doubt: the "consensus" science is not mattering in the real world. These meatheads have been throwing bombs for almost 3 decades and have barely moved the goalposts but a smidge!!!!








Of course, I added the gay MS Paint touch-ups.......sorry but I cant help myself!!!

 

[skookerasbil]

Dang.....cant find Gigantor!!!

 

[Crick]

Indeed......like so many people in this country, they have been hopelessly duped and are deep into the matrix.

The people at NBC? Hopelessly duped? You, in particular, have been telling us for a great long while how few of the general public are concerned about global warming. Now it's "so many people in this country". Are you even aware you're contradicting yourself?

Mostly its the younger crowd.......the older people are just mental cases......but the under 35 crowd are just PC zombies.

What does all that mean? Are you saying that the "younger crowd" is more concerned about global warming? And if that's the case and you think it's wrong to be so concerned, why do you then say that "older people are just mental cases"? Are you now saying that the older people are concerned about global warming or that we shouldn't care what they think one way or the other? Then we're back to the younger crowd who are, you contend, "PC zombies". The only thing I can think you mean by PC is politically correct. Are you suggesting that folks under 35 pretend to be concerned about global warming because they believe it's politically correct to do so? Does that control their ballots in the voting booth? Does it cause them to donate money from the privacy of their own homes? What behavior - what choices - do you believe people under 35 are making out of a concern that they be perceived as politically correct?

Whats fascinating to me is that these bozo's have no recognition that there are special interests attached to "climate change".

The military-windmill-solar cell complex? Right. This from the folks who seem to have NEVER noticed that the oil industry has more than a few dollars at its disposal.

No clue......its big bad oil and meanwhile, the green industry......the few.....are getting filthy rich thanks to the PC zombies.

WHAT green industry are you talking about? How about some specifics? What special interests have us bozos failed to spot?

But.....does make for a hoot of a time on this forum, let me tell ya!!

No, it doesn't. The only response you consistently produce here are cringes. Your profound ignorance is embarrassing. Your willful bigotry is offensive. Think of someone you truly respect: your parents, your priest, a respected teacher. Show them what you post here - or - since that may well be too embarrassing, just imagine what it would be like to show them what you say here. Think about it.

The people you slander are real. The world you want to sink is real. Your life and the reputation you've earned for it is real. Raise your standards as if what you said had consequences, because it does.

 

[IanC]

Nothing is going to help "the crap science and unethical behavior" because those items have no reality to alter. They are the manufactured charges of the fossil fuel industry's propaganda advisers. Reality has nothing to do with them.

The $580 million dollars spent on denier funding went somewhere, didn't it Ian. And if you want to see someone specifically bought and sold you need look no further than the Heartland Institute.

out of curiosity, where did the 580 million figure come from? and what percentage of Heartland funding do you think goes into climate change areas?

A thousand pardons. It was only $558 million

"Dark Money" Funds Climate Change Denial Effort - Scientific American

Heartland Institute funders:

Foundation funders
Media Transparency lists Heartland as having received grants from a range of foundations between 1986 and 2009. Of these foundations, by far the largest donor has been the foundation of Chicago industrialist Barre Seid[44], maker of Tripp Lite surge protectors.
Barbara and Barre Seid Foundation $1,037,977
Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation $648,000
Exxon Mobil $531,500
Walton Family Foundation $400,000
Sarah Scaife Foundation $325,000
Charlotte and Walter Kohler Charitable Trust $190,500
Jaquelin Hume Foundation $166,000
Rodney Fund $135,000
JM Foundation $82,000
Castle Rock Foundation $70,000
Roe Foundation $41,500
John M. Olin Foundation $40,000
Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation $40,000
Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation $37,578
Armstrong Foundation $30,000
Hickory Foundation $13,000
Carthage Foundation $10,000
Exxon funding
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From the same article:

Campaign Against Climate Science

The leaked documents offer a glimpse into the Heartland Institute’s campaign against climate science. The documents suggest that Heartland is planning new push to undermine the teaching of global warming in public schools

The leaked documents outline plans to promote a curriculum that would cast doubt on the scientific finding that fossil fuel emissions endanger the long-term welfare of the planet. One particular document says, “Principals and teachers are heavily biased toward the alarmist perspective.” [32]

"Global warming experts"
List

As of December 2009, individuals on the list were[1]:
Syun-Ichi Akasofu, Founding Director, International Arctic Research Center
David Archibald, Scientist (no affiliation given)
J. Scott Armstrong, Professor, Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania
Dennis Avery, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Sallie Baliunas, Astrophysicist and Senior Scientist, George C. Marshall Institute
Timothy Ball, Environmental Consultant and Former Climatology Professor, University of Winnipeg
Robert Balling, Professor of Climatology, Arizona State University
Joseph Bast, President and CEO, The Heartland Institute
E. Calvin Beisner, National Spokesman, Cornwall Alliance for the Stewardship of Creation
David Bellamy, Botanist, The Conservation Foundation (UK)
Sonja Boehmer-Christiansen, Reader in Geography, University of Hull
Donald Boudreaux , Chairman, Department of Economics, George Mason University (and Adjunct Scholar at the Cato Institute - Ed.)
Alexandra (Sandy) Bourne, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Robert Bradley, President, Institute for Energy Research
William Briggs, Statistical Consultant, New York Methodist Hospital
H. Sterling Burnett, Senior Fellow, National Center for Policy Analysis
Robert Carter , Marine Geologist, James Cook University
Randall Cerveny, Associate Professor of Geography, Arizona State University
John Charles, President and CEO, Cascade Policy Institute
Paul Chesser, Director, Climate Strategies Watch
Kenneth Chilton, Director, Institute for Study of Economics and the Environment
John Christy, Director, Earth System Science Center, University of Alabama at Huntsville
Ian Clark, Professor of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
John Coleman, Meteorologist, KUSI-TV San Diego
Ralph Conner, Local Legislation Manager, The Heartland Institute
Roy Cordato, Vice President for Research, John Locke Foundation
Richard Courtney, Energy and Environment Consultant
Joseph D'Aleo, Executive Director, Icecap.us
Chris de Freitas, Associate Professor, University of Auckland
Peter Dietze, Energy Advisor and Climate Modeler, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
David Douglass, Professor of Physics, University of Rochester
Paul Driessen, Senior Fellow, Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow
John Dunn, Policy Advisor, The Heartland Institute
Freeman Dyson, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies at Princeton
Myron Ebell, Director, Energy and Global Warming Policy, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Michael Economides, Professor, Cullen College of Engineering, University of Houston
Robert Essenhigh, Bailey Professor of Mechanical Engineering, The Ohio State University
Christopher Essex, Professor, Department of Applied Mathematics, University of Western Ontario
Michael Fox, Consultant, Nuclear Energy
Dan Gainor, Vice President, Business & Media Institute
Lee Gerhard, Senior Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas
Ivar Giaever, Fellow, American Physical Society
Indur Goklany, Visiting Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
Fred Goldberg, Climate Analyst
Stanley Goldenberg, Meteorologist, Hurricane Research Division/AOML/NOAA
Robert Gordon, President, Responsible Resources
Lawrence Gould, Professor of Physics, University of Hartford
Vincent Gray, Expert Reviewer, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
William Gray, Emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Science, Colorado State University
Kenneth Green, Resident Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
Kesten Green, Senior Research Fellow, Monash University
Tom Harris, Executive Director, International Climate Science Coalition
Howard Hayden, Professor of Physics Emeritus, University of Connecticut
David Henderson, Former Head, Economics and Statistics Department, Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development
Ben Herman, Professor, University of Arizona Institute of Atmospheric Physics
Donald Hertzmark, Adjunct Professor in Global Electricity Markets, Johns Hopkins University
Art Horn, Meteorologist, The Art of Weather
Chris Horner, Senior Fellow, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Craig Idso, Founder and Chairman, Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change
Andrei Illarionov, Senior Fellow, Cato Institute
Roy Innis, National Chairman and CEO, Congress of Racial Equality
Kiminori Itoh, Professor, Yokohama National University
Yuri Izrael, Vice Chairman, Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
James Johnston, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Madhav Khandekar, Former Research Scientist, Environment Canada (and on Friends of Science advisory board - Ed.)
William Kininmonth, Scientist, Australasian Climate Research
Václav Klaus, President, Czech Republic
Hans Labohm, Guest Teacher, Netherlands Defense Academy
Christopher Landsea, Science and Operations Officer, National Hurricane Center
David Legates, Climatologist and Director, Delaware Environmental Observing System
Jay Lehr, Science Director, The Heartland Institute
Marlo Lewis, Senior Fellow, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Henry Linden, Professor of Energy and Power Engineering and Management, Illinois Institute of Technology
Richard Lindzen, Alfred P. Sloan Professor of Meteorology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Craig Loehle, Principal Scientist, National Council for Air and Stream Improvement
Bjorn Lomborg, Director, Copenhagen Consensus Centre
Leon Louw, Executive Director, Free Market Foundation
Anthony Lupo, Associate Professor of Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri - Columbia
Howard Maccabee, Founding President, Doctors for Disaster Preparedness
Ken Malloy, Executive Director, Center for the Study of Carbon and Energy Markets
Jim Martin, President, 60 Plus Association
Phelim McAleer, Director and Producer, Not Evil Just Wrong
Ann McElhinney, Director and Producer, Not Evil Just Wrong
Ross McKitrick, Associate Professor of Economics, University of Guelph
Owen McShane, Chairman, Policy Panel, New Zealand Climate Science Coalition
Fred Michel, Director, Institute of Environmental Science, Carleton University
Steven Milloy, Portfolio Manager, Free Enterprise Action Fund
Ferenc Miskolczi, Atmospheric Physicist (no affiliation given)
Barun Mitra, Founder and Director, Liberty Institute
Christopher Monckton, Chief Policy Advisor, Science and Public Policy Institute
Marc Morano, Communications Director(sic), Senate Environment and Public Works Committee
Julian Morris, Executive Director, International Policy Network
Robert Murphy, Economist, Institute for Energy Research
Iain Murray, Director of Projects and Analysis/Senior Fellow, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Todd Myers, Environmental Director, Washington Policy Center
James O'Brien, Professor Emeritus of Meteorology and Oceanography, The Florida State University
Kendra Okonski, Former Environment Programme Director, International Policy Network
R. Timothy Patterson, Professor of Geology, Carleton University
Benny Peiser, Social Anthropologist
Alfred Pekarek, Assistant Professor of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences, St. Cloud State University
Roger Pielke, Professor and Fellow, Cooperative Institute for Research in the Environmental Sciences
Ian Plimer, Professor of Mining Geology, The University of Adelaide
Eric Posmentier, Adjunct Faculty Member, Dartmouth College
Andreas Prokoph, Adjunct Professor, Department of Earth Sciences, University of Ottawa
Richard Rahn, Chairman, Institute for Global Economic Growth
Paul Reiter, Professor, Institut Pasteur
Ronald Rychlak, Professor of Law and Associate Dean for Academic Affairs, University of Mississippi School of Law
Harrison Schmitt, Former NASA Astronaut and U.S. Senator
David Schnare, Senior Fellow - Energy and the Environment, Thomas Jefferson Institute for Public Policy
Joel Schwartz, Visiting Scholar, American Enterprise Institute
Tom Segalstad, Associate Professor of Resource and Environmental Geology, University of Oslo
Nir Shaviv, Professor, Racah Institute of Physics
Daniel Simmons, Director of State Affairs, Institute for Energy Research
S. Fred Singer, Founder and President, Science and Environmental Policy Project
Fred Smith, President and Founder, Competitive Enterprise Institute
Lawrence Solomon, Founder and Managing Director, Energy Probe Research Foundation
Willie Soon, Chief Science Advisor, Science and Public Policy Institute
Douglas Southgate, Environmental Economist, Department of Agricultural, Environmental, and Development , Ohio State University
Roy Spencer, Principal Research Scientist, University of Alabama at Huntsville
John Sununu, President, JHS Associates, Ltd.
Gordon Swaters, University of Alberta
Thomas Tanton, Fellow in Environmental Studies, Pacific Research Institute
George Taylor, State Climatologist and Faculty Member, Oregon State University
James Taylor, Senior Fellow, The Heartland Institute
Mitch Taylor, Polar Bear Biologist, Lakehead University
John Theon, (no affiliation given)
Margo Thorning, Senior Vice President and Chief Economist, American Council for Capital Formation
David Tuerck, President, Beacon Hill Institute
Brian Valentine, General Engineer, U.S. Department of Energy's Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy
G. Cornelis van Kooten, Professor and Canada Research Chair, University of Victoria
Jan Veizer, Professor, University of Ottawa
Paul Waggoner, Distinguished Scientist, The Connecticut Agricultural Experiment Station
Anthony Watts, Founder, SurfaceStations.org
Gerd-Rainer Weber, Scientist, German Coal Mining Association
Boris Winterhalter, Senior Marine Research (retired), Geological Survey of Finland
David Wojick, Consultant, Office of Scientific and Technical Information
Miklos Zagoni, Physicist and Science Historian, Eotvos Lorand University (Budapest)
Antonino Zichichi, Founder and Director, Ettore Majorana Foundation and Centre for Scientific Culture

(As a group, "Global warming experts" who minimize the risks of climate change have less expertise than those who don't.[33])

The Heartland Institute's Environmental "expert," James M. Taylor, is a lawyer based in Florida. Despite presenting a veneer of scientific expertise in their Environmental advocacy, the Heartland lacks any scientists trained to understand climate issues.

Actions and policy

Disputing global warming

Heartland's climate conferences

March 2008, The 2008 International Conference on Climate Change[34]
March 2009, International Conference on Climate Change (2009), in New York.[35][36]
June 2009, Third International Conference on Climate Change in Washington, DC on June 2, 2009 at the Washington Court Hotel, to "call attention to widespread dissent to the asserted 'consensus' on various aspects of climate change and global warming," according to Heartland's announcement of the event. "The conference's theme will be Climate Change: Scientific Debate and Economic Analysis. The theme reflects the fact that the scientific debate is not over and that economic analysis is more important than ever, now that legislation is being seriously considered. The real science and economics of climate change support the view that global warming is not a crisis and that immediate action to reduce emissions is not necessary. This is, in fact, the emerging consensus view of scientists outside the IPCC and most economists outside environmental advocacy groups," Heartland's website states. [37]
May 2010, Fourth, Chicago
Oct 2010, Fifth (Pacific Rim), Sydney, Australia
June 2011, Sixth, Washington DC. Non-fringe climate scientist Scott Denning gave an excellent talk, pointing out that "climate will change a lot in the next generation and policy will be enacted" and yet "the political right has been AWOL in proposing effective solutions". He challenged his audience not to shirk their responsibility: "we need effective solutions...only a free market can bring this kind of change about...who will advocate for these solutions? If free market advocates shirk their responsibility, others will dictate the policy."[38],[39]

Conference funding
2009: Sponsors' main funder is Scaife
An analysis of the 2009 conference sponsors' corporate-and-foundation funding revealed 78% was from the Scaife foundations[40] of Richard Mellon Scaife.
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I assume you're aware of the several other questionable positions Heartland has taken in support of the interests of its donors. Tobacco doesn't cause cancer. Drinking water is just another market resource. Health insurance should be deregulated. The government should be passing out school vouchers. Public services would be better served by private industry. We need and will benefit from genetically engineered crops.

from your link-

In all, 140 foundations funneled $558 million to almost 100 climate denial organizations from 2003 to 2010.

so 558M divided by 100 organizations = 5.8M. 5.8M divided by 7 years (or 8 years, depending on how you parse that statement) = $800,000 per year on average.

is this the lavish funding you are worried about? really?? Heartland funding is what....about 5million per year? perhaps other organizations should look into their spending ways, because they seem to get a lot more bang for their buck.