Civilizational collapse: Less than 15% of 30-year-olds are married homeowners

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Rubbish. "Traditional masculinity" is polygamy. The two-person household is a feminist construct.


Meeting a "real woman" has nothing to do with being a married homeowner.

The whole construct is pretty outdated to begin with.


If the population takes a downside, that wouldn't necessarily be bad in the long run. We already have a significantly larger population than we have had for most of human history.

So it seems like you're focused on short-term problems rather than long-term ones. How convenient.

Rubbish. "Traditional masculinity" is polygamy. The two-person household is a feminist construct.


Meeting a "real woman" has nothing to do with being a married homeowner.

The whole construct is pretty outdated to begin with.


If the population takes a downside, that wouldn't necessarily be bad in the long run. We already have a significantly larger population than we have had for most of human history.

So it seems like you're focused on short-term problems rather than long-term ones. How convenient.

Well im a FDR/JFK Democrat. These were some of the most liberal great Democrat Democrats to ever exist. They had the middle class jobs back in the day. You know the 1950s. And even women were working in the workforce remember World War II a lot of women were working the manufacturing jobs making the weapons that help the allies to defeat the Nazis. Something to be very proud of.

I’m not against a strong female businesswoman. Bottom line any productive society needs masculine men they need traditional values. We would’ve gotten annihilated in World War II without that…. that’s just common sense. JFK would be appalled at the idea that it’s OK for a child to get a sex change operation or other radical lefty ideas like that a white homeless guy is privileged.

You might know what is known as the postal World War II economic boom. Because of the victory of the Allied forces, the United States, and even some extent the UK empire, and even the Soviet Union…. But overwhelmingly the United States, experienced economic prosperity for the middle class for decades. Was the best time in this country history we didn’t have mass school shootings in those days either…. The downside was segregation for some of these years, but that eventually went away and even then the fact is the white middle class in black middle class was at its strongest. The divorce rates back then we’re way way lower than today.

 

[Midnight FM]

Well im a FDR/JFK Democrat. These were some of the most liberal great Democrat Democrats to ever exist. They had the middle class jobs back in the day. You know the 1950s. And even women were working in the workforce remember World War II a lot of women were working the manufacturing jobs making the weapons that help the allies to defeat the Nazis. Something to be very proud of.

You might know what is known as the postal World War II economic boom. Because of the victory of the Allied forces, the United States, and even some extent the UK empire, and even the Soviet Union…. But overwhelmingly the United States, experienced economic prosperity for the middle class for decades. Was the best time in this country history we didn’t have mass school shootings in those days either…. The downside was segregation for some of these years, but that eventually went away and even then the fact is the white middle class in black middle class was at its strongest. The divorce rates back then we’re way way lower than today.

School shootings are very rare in spite of the media hysteria which follows them. You haven't substantiated a primary cause for them.

As for divorce rates, if a lot of people are leaving unhappy marriages and seeking out better opportunities, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. A lot of aspects of the legal and ceremonial institutions of marriage are outdated and inhibit self-actualization.

You sound pretty out of date, to be honest.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

North Korea and Saudi Arabia have less of a problem with crime than the US does.

That doesn't mean we want to imitate them. We don't want a Muslim theocracy just because it might reduce crime, for example.


So impoverished, 3rd world countries where no one would want to live. Got it.


As in a bunch of uneducated, illiterate peasants who make no difference to the developed world. Who cares?

No need to invent things. The GCC countries are home to some of the most wealthiest people and very strong middle classes. They have almost no crime because of honorable Islamic values. What are you some anti Muslim hater. I’m not telling you what you are. I’m asking you the question do you hate Islam? I’m not here for gotcha moments. I don’t invent what other people say. I’m gonna let you respond to that.

Ok the USA doesn’t have to imitate anyone. We can simply look at family values and other parts of the world and respect that. It’s a beautiful thing seeing all these big families in South America, Africa in the Middle East and the love that they have. And then the filth and degradation we have in America because of the overt availability of porn, people looking at their phones all day, young men playing video games all day instead of getting out of the house meeting a woman in real life.

Really what we can do is learn from the American past ie the post World War II economic boom, and the economic prosperity it provided to the middle class. There you go.

Studies have shown and It’s been posted in other threads. Younger Americans are not as physically fit and Healthy today as they were decades ago.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

School shootings are very rare in spite of the media hysteria which follows them. You haven't substantiated a primary cause for them.

As for divorce rates, if a lot of people are leaving unhappy marriages and seeking out better opportunities, I don't necessarily see that as a bad thing. A lot of aspects of the legal and ceremonial institutions of marriage are outdated and inhibit self-actualization.

You sound pretty out of date, to be honest.

Are you a democrat, a republican or an independent? What do you think about old school Democrats like FDR? What do you think about Donald Trump. Just trying to gauge where you’re coming from here.

School shootings are a heinous part of American culture. They occur multiple times in a year when they never occur not once in a year in the American past. Same thing with mass shootings in general, you can look at the stats They were occurring either at a rate of a few times a year or effectively 0 compared to the hundreds that we have per year in the modern era….. that is due to a cultural decline in a number of capacities in America


We need to do something about the low birth rates in America. It’s just common sense, it’s math. If that keeps up there will be a strain on the healthcare system and older folks won’t get their Social Security payments. And the fact that we have record numbers of young people who are single and depressed in this country. It has nothing to do with being out of date. It’s just recognizing a fact.

 

[MagicMike]

The sad part is they own nothing but expect others to give them their dues

Blame Ronald Reagan and the trickle down economics myth that persists today.
Over the past 40 years all the wealth in society has been siphoned out of the economy into the offshore bank accounts of the morbidly rich.
Now young adults work two, even three jobs sometimes just to meet basic needs. Home ownership and even children are luxuries they can no linger afford.
The middle class is dead.

 

[Midnight FM]

No need to invent things. The GCC countries are home with some of the most wealthiest people in very strong middle classes. They have almost no crime because of honorable Islamic values.

They have low crime because they are authoritarian states. North Korea is another example.

What are some kind of an anti-muscle hater. I’m not telling you what you are. I’m asking you the question do you hate Islam? I’m not here got your moments. I don’t invent what other people say. I’m gonna let you respond to that.

I don't hate Islam by default any more than I hate Christianity. As long as they aren't imposing archaic values on people, I'm good with that.

Ok the USA doesn’t have to imitate anyone. We can simply look at family values and other parts of the world and respect that. It’s a beautiful thing seeing all these big families and South America, Africa in the Middle East and the love that they have.

Bullshit.

The family is an outdated institution which is nothing more than the product of biology. It's not "love" at all, it's just pragmatism and survivalism. They're poor, illiterate, and uneducated and don't have superior intellectual qualities to offer anyone in the vein of scientists and philosophers. So, akin to animals, breeding is all they have to offer. Pretty pitiable if you ask me.

And then the filth and degradation we have in America because of the overt availability of porn, people looking at their phones all day, young men playing video games all day instead of getting out of the house meeting a woman in real life.

The statistics don't jive with that. Most men are meeting women in real life. There's nothing automatically worse about looking on one's phone or playing video games than there is about what ancient people would have done to amuse themselves, and I presume it would have involved sitting around and masturbating all day for lack of anything other to do.

And in comparison to the rape, forced marriages, and other barbaric practices which exists in developed countries, the availability of porn pales in comparison.

Really what we can do is learn from the American past ie the post World War II economic boom, and the economic prosperity it provided in the middle class. There you go.

Studies have shown It’s been posted in another threads. Younger Americans are not as physically fit, and Healthy today as they were decades ago.

We probably aren't as physically fit as pre-civilization hunter-gatherer tribes either. They were physically fit because they had to be and their livelihoods depended on it.

 

[initforme]

Blame Ronald Reagan and the trickle down economics myth that persists today.
Over the past 40 years all the wealth in society has been siphoned out of the economy into the offshore bank accounts of the morbidly rich.
Now young adults work two, even three jobs sometimes just to meet basic needs. Home ownership and even children are luxuries they can no linger afford.
The middle class is dead.

Holy cow post of the year. Wonderfully truthfully expressed. Hats off salute. And theyre told theyre not working hard enough.

 

[Dragonlady]

Civilizational collapse: Less than 15% of 30-year-olds are married homeowners​

Civilizational collapse: Less than 15% of 30-year-olds are married homeowners | Blaze Media

A viral chart revealed that the number has been declining rapidly since the ’90s.

www.theblaze.com

In 1990 it was 45%.

The communist wet dream of owning NOTHING is coming to fruition in the US.

To the Federal Reserve's credit, they are artificially elevating interest rates to continue this trend.

Well done comrades.

We should all learn to speak Chinese.

All the result of 40 years of Republican tax and labour policies. All the things YOU complain about started inn1980 when Reagan was elected.

The economic collapses, stagnant wages for workers, tax cuts for the wealthy, cuts to social services, increased incarceration of racial minorities.

The largest transfer of wealth in world history to the wealthy - all on the nation’s credit card.

 

[initforme]

At this time the nation wants less home ownership and less kids being born. It is what it is.

 

[Dragonlady]

I bought my 1st home in late 1977, I was 22 and married.

How much was your student debt???? How much were you earning? What does that job pay today?

Todays university students are paying more than 10 times what I paid for the same program but they’re not making 10 times what I made upon graduation. They’re making 3 to 5 times as much.

My starting salary was double my total 4 year tuition. Today, a years salary at the top of the scale, wouldn’t cover it.

My 3 bedroom bungalow with the partially finished basement cost about 4 times my salary. Today, it’s now more than 10 times the bottom of the starting salary for a Jr. Bank Manager. 8 times the top end.

 

[Hafar1014]

True as well, but adding more demand to a limited supply is mostly what caused this.

Then we increase demand not suppress it as Biden did. He was so impaired we have no idea if it was his idea or the idiots running the country

 

[initforme]

Then we increase demand not suppress it as Biden did. He was so impaired we have no idea if it was his idea or the idiots running the country

Increase demand for a big time higher wage.

 

[Dragonlady]

True as well, but adding more demand to a limited supply is mostly what caused this.

There is adequate supply of housing to house every person in the USA.

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

They have low crime because they are authoritarian states. North Korea is another example.


I don't hate Islam by default any more than I hate Christianity. As long as they aren't imposing archaic values on people, I'm good with that.


Bullshit.

The family is an outdated institution which is nothing more than the product of biology. It's not "love" at all, it's just pragmatism and survivalism. They're poor, illiterate, and uneducated and don't have superior intellectual qualities to offer anyone in the vein of scientists and philosophers. So, akin to animals, breeding is all they have to offer. Pretty pitiable if you ask me.


The statistics don't jive with that. Most men are meeting women in real life. There's nothing automatically worse about looking on one's phone or playing video games than there is about what ancient people would have done to amuse themselves, and I presume it would have involved sitting around and masturbating all day for lack of anything other to do.

And in comparison to the rape, forced marriages, and other barbaric practices which exists in developed countries, the availability of porn pales in comparison.


We probably aren't as physically fit as pre-civilization hunter-gatherer tribes either. They were physically fit because they had to be and their livelihoods depended on it.

Well there have in fact been a lot of reforms in Saudi Arabia recently. Sure there are still authoritarian measures. They are not comparable to the USA. And by the way, obviously the people of Saudi Arabia the culture is not the same thing as its government. That said There are now tons of female doctors and lawyers there. And no, that can’t just be blown off. That they have a different style of government is noted …obviously the good part about that country and the UAE for example is a low crime rate. That is a serious thing. I mean, imagine going up to the many victims of violent crimes of big cities in America saying well you should just shut up because you don’t live in an authoritarian country. By the way, that term “authoritarian” is overused in this context…. Saudi Arabia is nowhere near as authoritarian as North Korea.

The stats show that young boys growing up in one parent households are more likely to go to prison. Very very important to have a mother and father at home. “The family” or the nuclear family is necessary for a civilized society.

Well the stats show that there are record numbers of single young men. I have already provided all of the sources to back up what I’m saying I’m not going through another episode of having to post them over and over and over again only need to have somebody say “well no that’s wrong”

Children from single-parent families are more likely to have behavioral problems because they tend to lack economic security and adequate time with parents.

The Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency reports that the most reliable indicator of violent crime in a community is the proportion of fatherless families. Fathers typically offer economic stability, a role model for boys, greater household security, and reduced stress for mothers.

Single-Parent Families Cause Juvenile Crime (From Juvenile Crime: Opposing Viewpoints, P 62-66, 1997, A E Sadler, ed. -- See NCJ-167319) | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

And sure as long as atheist parents, Christian parents or Muslim parents are not hurting other people then no problem. Atheists have been among the most violent people of all of human history. The anti-religious crusades in some of the communist countries were absolutely brutal.

Also, let’s not become racist here. When talking about different cultures(not the same as their government) like in South America or Africa as if they are a bunch of rapist beasts. That is extremely racist and disgusting. I’m not saying you’re saying this but don’t let’s not go down that road. In fact when you look at South American Christian families when you look at the Muslim and Christian families of Africa and the Middle East these are absolutely beautiful people , loving people. Buddhist majority southeast Asia has a lot of great things going to.

When I walked around the malls in Cambodia, I saw a lot of young couples saw a lot of happy families

I spent a lot of time in Cambodia and in fact, Cambodians are voted as the friendliest people in the world. It is a so-called Third World country but that does not correlate with high levels of violence. Again, just go to Cambodia. I’ve been there for over one year. I have poor Cambodian people offering me rice. These are wonderful people. We can learn a lot from their values.


As for physical fitness again, the source has already been shown in another thread. The stats show that men are weaker today compared to men of the late 1980s. Not about comparing the modern times to the ancient ages.

 

[Midnight FM]

Well they’re having in fact been a lot of reforms in Saudi Arabia recently. There are tons of female doctors and lawyers there. And no, that can’t just be blown off. That they have a different style of government is noted …obviously the good part about that country and the UAE for example is a low crime rate. That is a serious thing. I mean, imagine going up to the many victims of violent crime and big cities in American saying well you should just shut up because you don’t live in an authoritarian country. By the way, that term “authoritarian” is overused in this context…. Saudi Arabia is nowhere near as authoritarian as North Korea.

The stats show that young boys growing up in one parent households are more likely to go to prison. Very, very important to have a mother and father at home.

Well no the stats show that there are record numbers of young men. I’m gonna only post one source here because it gets touring during this hundreds of times. I have already provided all of the sources to back up what I’m saying I’m not going through another episode of having to post them over and over and over again only need to have somebody say well no that’s wrong.

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Single-Parent Families Cause Juvenile Crime (From Juvenile Crime: Opposing Viewpoints, P 62-66, 1997, A E Sadler, ed. -- See NCJ-167319) | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

And sure as long as atheist parents, Christian parents or Muslim parents are not hurting other people then no problem. Atheists have been among the most violent people of all of human history. The anti-religious crusades in some of the communist countries were absolutely brutal.

Also, let’s not become racist here. When talking about different cultures(not the same as their government) like in South America or Africa as if they are a bunch of raping beasts. That is extremely racist and disgusting. I’m not saying you’re saying this but don’t let’s not go down that road. In fact when you look at South American Christian families when you look at the Muslim and Christian families of Africa and the Middle East these are absolutely beautiful people , loving people. southeast Asia has a lot of great things going to.

When I walked around the malls in Cambodia, I saw a lot of young couples saw a lot of happy families

I spent a lot of time in Cambodia and in fact, Cambodians are voted as the friendliest people in the world. It is a so-called Third World country but that does not correlate with high levels of violence. Again, just go to Cambodia. I’ve been there for over one year. I have poor Cambodian people offering me rice. These are wonderful people. We can learn a lot from their values.


As for physical fitness again, the source has already been shown in another thread. The stats show that men are weaker today compared to men of the late 1980s. Not about comparing the modern times to the ancient ages.

Well there have in fact been a lot of reforms in Saudi Arabia recently. Sure there are still authoritarian measures. They are not comparable to the USA. And by the way, obviously the people of Saudi Arabia the culture is not the same thing as its government. That said There are now tons of female doctors and lawyers there. And no, that can’t just be blown off. That they have a different style of government is noted …obviously the good part about that country and the UAE for example is a low crime rate. That is a serious thing. I mean, imagine going up to the many victims of violent crimes of big cities in America saying well you should just shut up because you don’t live in an authoritarian country. By the way, that term “authoritarian” is overused in this context…. Saudi Arabia is nowhere near as authoritarian as North Korea.

The stats show that young boys growing up in one parent households are more likely to go to prison. Very very important to have a mother and father at home. “The family” or the nuclear family is necessary for a civilized society.

Well the stats show that there are record numbers of single young men. I have already provided all of the sources to back up what I’m saying I’m not going through another episode of having to post them over and over and over again only need to have somebody say “well no that’s wrong”

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Children from single-parent families are more likely to have behavioral problems because they tend to lack economic security and adequate time with parents.

The Journal of Research in Crime and Delinquency reports that the most reliable indicator of violent crime in a community is the proportion of fatherless families. Fathers typically offer economic stability, a role model for boys, greater household security, and reduced stress for mothers.

Single-Parent Families Cause Juvenile Crime (From Juvenile Crime: Opposing Viewpoints, P 62-66, 1997, A E Sadler, ed. -- See NCJ-167319) | Office of Justice Programs

www.ojp.gov

And sure as long as atheist parents, Christian parents or Muslim parents are not hurting other people then no problem. Atheists have been among the most violent people of all of human history. The anti-religious crusades in some of the communist countries were absolutely brutal.

Also, let’s not become racist here. When talking about different cultures(not the same as their government) like in South America or Africa as if they are a bunch of raping beasts. That is extremely racist and disgusting. I’m not saying you’re saying this but don’t let’s not go down that road. In fact when you look at South American Christian families when you look at the Muslim and Christian families of Africa and the Middle East these are absolutely beautiful people , loving people. southeast Asia has a lot of great things going to.

When I walked around the malls in Cambodia, I saw a lot of young couples saw a lot of happy families

I spent a lot of time in Cambodia and in fact, Cambodians are voted as the friendliest people in the world. It is a so-called Third World country but that does not correlate with high levels of violence. Again, just go to Cambodia. I’ve been there for over one year. I have poor Cambodian people offering me rice. These are wonderful people. We can learn a lot from their values.


As for physical fitness again, the source has already been shown in another thread. The stats show that men are weaker today compared to men of the late 1980s. Not about comparing the modern times to the ancient ages.

Cambodia has a ranking of only 23 according to Freedom House:

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I'm not demonizing all of the people who live in these countries, but the fact of the matter is that these countries would be considered backward compared to the rights and freedoms which exist in developed countries like the US and those of Europe.

So this trend of romanticizing undeveloped countries while demonizing developed ones seems to be predicated on taking for granted many of the rights and freedoms which we have. If someone wants to look at the worst examples of people from the developed world, such as incels masturbating to porn all day, and try to paint the entire developed world in that light, they're free to do that, but, objectively, it's ridiculous.

 

[BrokeLoser]

You haven't substantiated why anyone needs to be a married homeowner.


You're going to need to define "globalism" and why it's a bad thing. I don't see what being or not being a married homeowner has to do with it.

The poster makes the point that all sane conventional folks make…to put it simply….America was great before leftism fucked all things up.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Not getting married makes total sense today there is no refuting that. The trend is going to grow exponentially.

Then you sir have completely lost your most deeply rooted, most fundamental human instinct.
Self preservation.
That’s something to be ashamed of.

 

[BrokeLoser]

Holy cow post of the year. Wonderfully truthfully expressed. Hats off salute. And theyre told theyre not working hard enough.

Blame Ronald Reagan and the trickle down economics myth that persists today.
Over the past 40 years all the wealth in society has been siphoned out of the economy into the offshore bank accounts of the morbidly rich.
Now young adults work two, even three jobs sometimes just to meet basic needs. Home ownership and even children are luxuries they can no linger afford.
The middle class is dead.

How profound, what a revolutionary find.
I’ve asked a thousand purple hair nose-ringers to explain this degenerates theory to me and NONE have ever been able to do that.
Question:
What does my wealthier neighbors net worth have to do with mine and how do his earnings have anything to do with my earning potential? Is there a predetermined amount of cash out there that we are all fighting for?

 

[Andrew_Jackson_FTW]

Cambodia has a ranking of only 23 according to Freedom House:

Explore the Map

Freedom House - Explore the map of global freedom and internet freedom around the world.

freedomhouse.org

I'm not demonizing all of the people who live in these countries, but the fact of the matter is that these countries would be considered backward compared to the rights and freedoms which exist in developed countries like the US and those of Europe.

So this trend of romanticizing undeveloped countries while demonizing developed ones seems to be predicated on taking for granted many of the rights and freedoms which we have. If someone wants to look at the worst examples of people from the developed world, such as incels masturbating to porn all day, and try to paint the entire developed world in that light, they're free to do that, but, objectively, it's ridiculous.

Ok you’re not responding to the core points being made about serious problems in the West. Talk about being objective, looking at the facts looking at the stats you didn’t really say anything about the sources provided to you proving that young men in the US are having trouble dating. I mean before you said that they aren’t so which one is it. Because they are as the stats show. Same thing with your View that a family doesn’t matter… no it does matter because if you have more single parent households you’re going to have more young men becoming criminals.

Low birth rates, single parent households which lead to increased crime rates among young men, mass shootings, depression, low homeownership rates and other issues… these are serious issues. These are not the “worst examples”. They are showing us a cultural decline in the west. And they cannot simply be blown off. That does not mean I am ignoring the freedoms we have in the West. Nobody said that. Why are you engaging in this type of conversation tactic? Although by the way because of the radical left, actually free speech has been under attack in the United States most recently.

Simply pointing out that other areas of the world do not have the types of issues we have in the west doesn’t mean I am saying we should have their style of government. And btw there are other areas of the world that are not extremely authoritarian and do not deny people freedoms….while at the same time being a safe place to live in where a middle class can thrive

Nowhere did I say the west as a whole is worse than other cultures. I’m simply showing the stats. … the west was really in its golden era specifically the United States during the post World War II economic boom. I’m obviously celebrating the American past.

 

[Midnight FM]

Ok you’re not responding to the core points being made about serious problems in the West. Talk about being objective, looking at the facts looking at the stats you didn’t really say anything about the sources provided to you proving that young men in the US are having trouble dating.

I mean before you said that they aren’t so which one is it. Because they are as the stats show. Same thing with your View that a family doesn’t matter…

The reality is that the majority of people end up marrying and having children.

So your fearmongering about a minority of incels having "trouble dating" isn't moving me very much.

no it does matter because if you have more single parent households you’re going to have more young men becoming criminals.

Show me evidence of that. Or, rather, show me how if the father is a criminal, that it wouldn't make it more likely that the child would become a criminal than it would if the father wasn't around.

Low birth rates, single parent households which lead to increased crime rates among young men, mass shootings, depression, low homeownership rates and other issues… these are serious issues. These are not the “worst examples”.

Statistically, the things you mentioned are in the minority.

You haven't substantiated why low birth rates is a bad thing, given that the population is drastically higher today than it was just 100 years ago.

Tell me why anyone needs to own a home? A lot of people might be better off not.

They are showing us a cultural decline in the west. And they cannot simply be blown off. That does not mean I am ignoring the freedoms we have in the West. Nobody said that. Why are you engaging in this type of conversation tactic? Although by the way because of the radical left, actually free speech has been under attack in the United States most recently.

Simply pointing out that other areas of the world do not have the types of issues we have in the west doesn’t mean I am saying we should have their style of government. And btw there are other areas of the world that are not extremely authoritarian and do not deny people freedoms….while at the same time being a safe place to live in where a middle class can thrive

Nowhere did I say the west as a whole is worse than other cultures. I’m simply showing the stats. … the west was really in its golden era specifically the United States during the post World War II economic boom. I’m obviously celebrating the American past.

I would be tempted to argue that you're incorrect in many regards and ignoring a lot of issues in order to make this point. For example:

Why do you believe its important for people to be in a relationship? There are potential advantages to being single.

Why do you believe that people need to own a home?

The things your mentioning would heavily depend on what someone's personal goals in life are, and not everyone has the same goals. How do these things demonstrate a "civilizational collapse" as opposed to a trend which will likely fluctuate over time?

And so on.