Circumcision

[ChrisL]

I don't think that's the case with guys. They don't seem to have a problem enjoying sex after having a circumcision.

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Unless the circumcision is botched.
Most of the men in this world, who are natural, don't seem to have problems enjoying sex as demonstrated by millions of years of propagation.

I still wonder if circumcised men have a greater need for Viagra/Cialis/etc after reaching age 50 and esp 60 ...
.

That is usually due to taking medications for things like diabetes, high blood pressure, etc. Also, ALL men experience a decrease in testosterone as they age.

 

[Muhammed]

It looks nicer when it's circumcised. It's cleaner too.

Also the rationale that is used by some cultures to rationalize female circumcision.

Not really, the rational is so that the female doesn't get pleasure from sex.

Lessening the enjoyability is obviously behind both procedures. Entirely about trying to get people to focus on things other than sex. It has failed in both cases.

Orgasm in ritually circumcised African women

In the American case, it has failed because men find stimulation from visual media as well. Hence why pornography is so widespread here. Cause and effect.

I don't think that's the case with guys. They don't seem to have a problem enjoying sex after having a circumcision.

Personally, I never had sex before circumcision, I was just a baby.

 

[irosie91]

I don't think that's the case with guys. They don't seem to have a problem enjoying sex after having a circumcision.

---
Unless the circumcision is botched.
Most of the men in this world, who are natural, don't seem to have problems enjoying sex as demonstrated by millions of years of propagation.

I still wonder if circumcised men have a greater need for Viagra/Cialis/etc after reaching age 50 and esp 60 ...
.

wonder away----there is no such evidence in all this time. As to BOTCHED CIRC----there are ALSO hazards in maintaining a foreskin. Part of the Physical exam for
men---which is ROUTINE-----is the poor doc has to RETRACT the foreskins of non
circed men------what do you IMAGINE is the reason for that? ----------ok----I will tell
you--------it is to check for PENILE CANCER------the treatment is-----GUESS!!!!-----
ok---I will tell you-----AMPUTATION. Of course there are cases in which the
forcskin CANNOT be retracted because of INFECTION------the end result of which is ----guess........ok I will tell you------STRANGULATION OF THE GLANS---leading to -----gangrene--------the treatment------well------amputatlion again.
Add to the --------papilloma virus----cancer of the cervic to wifey and anal wart ---to either wifey or ------MALE FRIEND

 

[irosie91]

It looks nicer when it's circumcised. It's cleaner too.

Also the rationale that is used by some cultures to rationalize female circumcision.

Not really, the rational is so that the female doesn't get pleasure from sex.

Lessening the enjoyability is obviously behind both procedures. Entirely about trying to get people to focus on things other than sex. It has failed in both cases.

Orgasm in ritually circumcised African women

In the American case, it has failed because men find stimulation from visual media as well. Hence why pornography is so widespread here. Cause and effect.

I don't think that's the case with guys. They don't seem to have a problem enjoying sex after having a circumcision.

Personally, I never had sex before circumcision, I was just a baby.

how sweet----a virgin baby-

 

[irosie91]

*****MAZEL TOV----everyone-------Donald's grandson has been SNIPPED

 

[Iceweasel]

*****MAZEL TOV----everyone-------Donald's grandson has been SNIPPED

I think you've found your calling in life.

 

[irosie91]

*****MAZEL TOV----everyone-------Donald's grandson has been SNIPPED

I think you've found your calling in life.

gee-----I never considered it

 

[Iceweasel]

*****MAZEL TOV----everyone-------Donald's grandson has been SNIPPED

I think you've found your calling in life.

gee-----I never considered it

It could lead to bigger things.

 

[irosie91]

*****MAZEL TOV----everyone-------Donald's grandson has been SNIPPED

I think you've found your calling in life.

gee-----I never considered it

It could lead to bigger things.

not with AGE

 

[anotherlife]

Yes, 80++% of them are circumcised, hence they are gay. They want to be circumcised because they want to be gay. In America, being a queered fag poofter gay dick is the fastest way to make money. Most of my clients are gay men. They have more money than anyone else. If you are from Asia, let us know what the Asian preference is, circumcision, or keeping the dick in its original form? Which way does it look better, anyway?

I didn't know being gay was so popular in the US.... O_O
anyways I've never seen in my experience a circumcised man. All the men I've seen (not many to be honest) were "normal"
I think we Asian women don't love circumcision too much

Then looks like Asian women don't like if their boyfriends are gay. In the USA on the other hand, pop music sales volumes show in hard dollar figures, that the best selling artists for female buyers are the gay ones. This is a financial fact.

No, you don't get off this easy. Now confess that you picked your boyfriend because he is gay.

You need therapy.

Okay, then here is the damning evidence against you, American LGBT woman.

Yes, 80++% of them are circumcised, hence they are gay. They want to be circumcised because they want to be gay. In America, being a queered fag poofter gay dick is the fastest way to make money. Most of my clients are gay men. They have more money than anyone else. If you are from Asia, let us know what the Asian preference is, circumcision, or keeping the dick in its original form? Which way does it look better, anyway?

I didn't know being gay was so popular in the US.... O_O
anyways I've never seen in my experience a circumcised man. All the men I've seen (not many to be honest) were "normal"
I think we Asian women don't love circumcision too much

Then looks like Asian women don't like if their boyfriends are gay. In the USA on the other hand, pop music sales volumes show in hard dollar figures, that the best selling artists for female buyers are the gay ones. This is a financial fact.

No, you don't get off this easy. Now confess that you picked your boyfriend because he is gay.

You need therapy.

Okay, here is the damning evidence against you.

The average American woman now weighs as much as the average 1960s man

Consequently, your boyfriend would need a dick yard long, to get around your potbelly, if he wasn't gay.

American liar exposed. Hehehe.

 

[ChrisL]

Well, some adult men do end up having to have a circumcision because of several disorders that can occur with the foreskin, one being "phimosis." It's supposedly a very painful condition where the foreskin constricts, so whenever they get an erection it hurts them. I imagine when a man has to undergo such a procedure (as an adult) it can effect his sex life in a negative way. There is going to be much more severe scarring as an adult.

 

[ChrisL]

I didn't know being gay was so popular in the US.... O_O
anyways I've never seen in my experience a circumcised man. All the men I've seen (not many to be honest) were "normal"
I think we Asian women don't love circumcision too much

Then looks like Asian women don't like if their boyfriends are gay. In the USA on the other hand, pop music sales volumes show in hard dollar figures, that the best selling artists for female buyers are the gay ones. This is a financial fact.

No, you don't get off this easy. Now confess that you picked your boyfriend because he is gay.

You need therapy.

Okay, then here is the damning evidence against you, American LGBT woman.

I didn't know being gay was so popular in the US.... O_O
anyways I've never seen in my experience a circumcised man. All the men I've seen (not many to be honest) were "normal"
I think we Asian women don't love circumcision too much

Then looks like Asian women don't like if their boyfriends are gay. In the USA on the other hand, pop music sales volumes show in hard dollar figures, that the best selling artists for female buyers are the gay ones. This is a financial fact.

No, you don't get off this easy. Now confess that you picked your boyfriend because he is gay.

You need therapy.

Okay, here is the damning evidence against you.

The average American woman now weighs as much as the average 1960s man

Consequently, your boyfriend would need a dick yard long, to get around your potbelly, if he wasn't gay.

American liar exposed. Hehehe.

I'm actually tiny, as evidenced in my pictures. Lol. Very tiny. 5 foot 1 inch tall, about 104 pounds. Why would I date a man who was gay? You don't make any sense. How old are you? 12?

 

[ChrisL]

I didn't know being gay was so popular in the US.... O_O
anyways I've never seen in my experience a circumcised man. All the men I've seen (not many to be honest) were "normal"
I think we Asian women don't love circumcision too much

Then looks like Asian women don't like if their boyfriends are gay. In the USA on the other hand, pop music sales volumes show in hard dollar figures, that the best selling artists for female buyers are the gay ones. This is a financial fact.

No, you don't get off this easy. Now confess that you picked your boyfriend because he is gay.

You need therapy.

Okay, then here is the damning evidence against you, American LGBT woman.

I didn't know being gay was so popular in the US.... O_O
anyways I've never seen in my experience a circumcised man. All the men I've seen (not many to be honest) were "normal"
I think we Asian women don't love circumcision too much

Then looks like Asian women don't like if their boyfriends are gay. In the USA on the other hand, pop music sales volumes show in hard dollar figures, that the best selling artists for female buyers are the gay ones. This is a financial fact.

No, you don't get off this easy. Now confess that you picked your boyfriend because he is gay.

You need therapy.

Okay, here is the damning evidence against you.

The average American woman now weighs as much as the average 1960s man

Consequently, your boyfriend would need a dick yard long, to get around your potbelly, if he wasn't gay.

American liar exposed. Hehehe.

You don't seem very knowledgeable about sex. Are you a child?

 

[ChrisL]

Man, oh man, there is so much mental illness on this forum, it's pretty sad. I pity some of you having to live like that.

 

[anotherlife]

Man, oh man, there is so much mental illness on this forum, it's pretty sad. I pity some of you having to live like that.

See? Circumcision even causes mental illness. A terrible thing.

 

[PK1]

I don't think that's the case with guys. They don't seem to have a problem enjoying sex after having a circumcision.

---
Unless the circumcision is botched.
Most of the men in this world, who are natural, don't seem to have problems enjoying sex as demonstrated by millions of years of propagation.

I still wonder if circumcised men have a greater need for Viagra/Cialis/etc after reaching age 50 and esp 60 ...
.

wonder away----there is no such evidence in all this time. As to BOTCHED CIRC----there are ALSO hazards in maintaining a foreskin.
...

---
Based on what I've observed in this thread, you & Chris appear to exhibit confirmation bias. Perhaps you have Jewish backgrounds, or simply carry US cultural views.
As a scientist, I try to be objective, with a natural viewpoint, i.e., why go against nature unless it makes sense (not cents).

I've read claims that "the International Journal of Men’s Health shows that circumcised men have a 4.5 times greater chance of suffering from erectile dysfunction (ED) than intact men", but have not seen the methodological details to be convinced.

However, there are many medical views opposed to circumcision that are more credible (also from biased site):
"when the father of the expected baby was circumcised, 81.9% of respondents were in favor of pursuing elective circumcision. When the father of the expected child was not circumcised, 14.9% were in favor of pursuing elective circumcision."

"the uncircumcised penis is significantly more sensitive. The most sensitive location on the circumcised penis is the circumcision scar on the ventral surface. Five locations on the uncircumcised penis that are routinely removed at circumcision are significantly more sensitive than the most sensitive location on the circumcised penis."

"Neonatal circumcision increased incremental costs by $828.42 per patient and resulted in an incremental 15.30 well-years lost per 1000 males. If neonatal circumcision was cost-free, pain-free, and had no immediate complications, it was still more costly than not circumcising.
Neonatal circumcision is not good health policy, and support for it as a medical procedure cannot be justified financially or medically."

"A survey of women who have had sexual experience with circumcised and anatomically complete partners showed that the anatomically complete penis was preferred over the circumcised penis. ...
the mechanics of coitus were different for the two groups of men. Unaltered men tended to thrust more gently with shorter strokes."

"Women reported they were significantly more likely to have experienced vaginal dryness during intercourse with circumcised than with genitally intact men."

Etc, etc ...
Medical Studies on Circumcision
.

 

[ChrisL]

I don't think that's the case with guys. They don't seem to have a problem enjoying sex after having a circumcision.

---
Unless the circumcision is botched.
Most of the men in this world, who are natural, don't seem to have problems enjoying sex as demonstrated by millions of years of propagation.

I still wonder if circumcised men have a greater need for Viagra/Cialis/etc after reaching age 50 and esp 60 ...
.

wonder away----there is no such evidence in all this time. As to BOTCHED CIRC----there are ALSO hazards in maintaining a foreskin.
...

---
Based on what I've observed in this thread, you & Chris appear to exhibit confirmation bias. Perhaps you have Jewish backgrounds, or simply carry US cultural views.
As a scientist, I try to be objective, with a natural viewpoint, i.e., why go against nature unless it makes sense (not cents).

I've read claims that "the International Journal of Men’s Health shows that circumcised men have a 4.5 times greater chance of suffering from erectile dysfunction (ED) than intact men", but have not seen the methodological details to be convinced.

However, there are many medical views opposed to circumcision that are more credible (also from biased site):
"when the father of the expected baby was circumcised, 81.9% of respondents were in favor of pursuing elective circumcision. When the father of the expected child was not circumcised, 14.9% were in favor of pursuing elective circumcision."

"the uncircumcised penis is significantly more sensitive. The most sensitive location on the circumcised penis is the circumcision scar on the ventral surface. Five locations on the uncircumcised penis that are routinely removed at circumcision are significantly more sensitive than the most sensitive location on the circumcised penis."

"Neonatal circumcision increased incremental costs by $828.42 per patient and resulted in an incremental 15.30 well-years lost per 1000 males. If neonatal circumcision was cost-free, pain-free, and had no immediate complications, it was still more costly than not circumcising.
Neonatal circumcision is not good health policy, and support for it as a medical procedure cannot be justified financially or medically."

"A survey of women who have had sexual experience with circumcised and anatomically complete partners showed that the anatomically complete penis was preferred over the circumcised penis. ...
the mechanics of coitus were different for the two groups of men. Unaltered men tended to thrust more gently with shorter strokes."

"Women reported they were significantly more likely to have experienced vaginal dryness during intercourse with circumcised than with genitally intact men."

Etc, etc ...
Medical Studies on Circumcision
.

It is actually recommended in places like Africa to slow the spread of disease. Also, the difference in "feeling" has been reported as being negligible.

 

[PK1]

I read almost 80% of American males are circumcised.
Is that true? and above all...why do they want to be circumcised?

---
Yes, about 70-80% of USA (not Mexico or south America) families circumcise their infants ... for cultural reasons or financial benefit to greedy doctors, not good medical reasons.

Here is an explanation from an American group of doctors opposed to infant circumcision on medical grounds, which reflects European views:

The group Doctors Opposing Circumcision accuses the members of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) of bias verging on outright corruption. The commentary names several members of the task force and lists their potential conflicts of interest, including strong religious beliefs in favor of the procedure, economic incentive in the promoting it, and, in one case, deriving financial income from a medical practice devoted to treating boys with circumcision-related problems. Lest it go unnoticed, an additional potential source of bias is noted: “It appears that no member of the task force had a foreskin.”

These recent “favorable” reviews of circumcision by the CDC and the AAP come at a time when peer medical organizations in other Western countries are moving in the exact opposite direction. Medical organizations in England, Canada, Australia, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Germany all oppose routine infant circumcision on medical grounds.

Why Is Circumcision So Popular in America?
.

It looks nicer when it's circumcised. It's cleaner too.

---
Apparently, looks is in the eye of the beholder ... mostly what you are used to or influenced to believe (both = cultural/psychological patterns).

The asian poster had a different view.

Cleanliness is non issue for me. I am clean & only sleep with clean women.

.

True. As opposed to the other poster, I've never been with a guy who was UNcircumcised, but I've seen pictures, and it looks weird.

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What looks weird is related to cultural perspectives, experience & expectations.
Here's a view from another American woman (got it from Reddit):

I still don't understand why circumcision is such a popular thing in the U.S. It is a completely unnecessary, religious, and barbaric form of genital mutilation. Why do people feel the need to do it to their children? Because it's the popular thing to do? Because it's "cleaner"?

I've been with circumcised guys and uncircumcised and I will ALWAYS prefer uncircumcised. They are so much more sensitive (in a good way). Foreskin is a lot of fun to play with. I find them more aesthetically pleasing (despite what the general consensus here in the U.S. is and in the porn industry). None of the uncut men I've been with have ever smelled funny or been unclean down there. An uncircumcised penis is not difficult to clean at all (I shower with my SO all the time and it takes the same amount of effort to clean as a circumcised penis).

To me, having your baby boy circumcised is like having your baby girl's labia chopped off for a "cleaner" look. Doesn't make much sense, does it?
.

 

[ChrisL]

I read almost 80% of American males are circumcised.
Is that true? and above all...why do they want to be circumcised?

---
Yes, about 70-80% of USA (not Mexico or south America) families circumcise their infants ... for cultural reasons or financial benefit to greedy doctors, not good medical reasons.

Here is an explanation from an American group of doctors opposed to infant circumcision on medical grounds, which reflects European views:

The group Doctors Opposing Circumcision accuses the members of the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) of bias verging on outright corruption. The commentary names several members of the task force and lists their potential conflicts of interest, including strong religious beliefs in favor of the procedure, economic incentive in the promoting it, and, in one case, deriving financial income from a medical practice devoted to treating boys with circumcision-related problems. Lest it go unnoticed, an additional potential source of bias is noted: “It appears that no member of the task force had a foreskin.”

These recent “favorable” reviews of circumcision by the CDC and the AAP come at a time when peer medical organizations in other Western countries are moving in the exact opposite direction. Medical organizations in England, Canada, Australia, Finland, Denmark, Sweden, the Netherlands, and Germany all oppose routine infant circumcision on medical grounds.

Why Is Circumcision So Popular in America?
.

It looks nicer when it's circumcised. It's cleaner too.

---
Apparently, looks is in the eye of the beholder ... mostly what you are used to or influenced to believe (both = cultural/psychological patterns).

The asian poster had a different view.

Cleanliness is non issue for me. I am clean & only sleep with clean women.

.

True. As opposed to the other poster, I've never been with a guy who was UNcircumcised, but I've seen pictures, and it looks weird.

---
What looks weird is related to cultural perspectives, experience & expectations.
Here's a view from another American woman (got it from Reddit):

I still don't understand why circumcision is such a popular thing in the U.S. It is a completely unnecessary, religious, and barbaric form of genital mutilation. Why do people feel the need to do it to their children? Because it's the popular thing to do? Because it's "cleaner"?

I've been with circumcised guys and uncircumcised and I will ALWAYS prefer uncircumcised. They are so much more sensitive (in a good way). Foreskin is a lot of fun to play with. I find them more aesthetically pleasing (despite what the general consensus here in the U.S. is and in the porn industry). None of the uncut men I've been with have ever smelled funny or been unclean down there. An uncircumcised penis is not difficult to clean at all (I shower with my SO all the time and it takes the same amount of effort to clean as a circumcised penis).

To me, having your baby boy circumcised is like having your baby girl's labia chopped off for a "cleaner" look. Doesn't make much sense, does it?
.

To each his/her own!

 

[PK1]

I don't think that's the case with guys. They don't seem to have a problem enjoying sex after having a circumcision.

---
Unless the circumcision is botched.
Most of the men in this world, who are natural, don't seem to have problems enjoying sex as demonstrated by millions of years of propagation.

I still wonder if circumcised men have a greater need for Viagra/Cialis/etc after reaching age 50 and esp 60 ...
.

wonder away----there is no such evidence in all this time. As to BOTCHED CIRC----there are ALSO hazards in maintaining a foreskin.
...

---
Based on what I've observed in this thread, you & Chris appear to exhibit confirmation bias. Perhaps you have Jewish backgrounds, or simply carry US cultural views.
As a scientist, I try to be objective, with a natural viewpoint, i.e., why go against nature unless it makes sense (not cents).

I've read claims that "the International Journal of Men’s Health shows that circumcised men have a 4.5 times greater chance of suffering from erectile dysfunction (ED) than intact men", but have not seen the methodological details to be convinced.

However, there are many medical views opposed to circumcision that are more credible (also from biased site):
"when the father of the expected baby was circumcised, 81.9% of respondents were in favor of pursuing elective circumcision. When the father of the expected child was not circumcised, 14.9% were in favor of pursuing elective circumcision."

"the uncircumcised penis is significantly more sensitive. The most sensitive location on the circumcised penis is the circumcision scar on the ventral surface. Five locations on the uncircumcised penis that are routinely removed at circumcision are significantly more sensitive than the most sensitive location on the circumcised penis."

"Neonatal circumcision increased incremental costs by $828.42 per patient and resulted in an incremental 15.30 well-years lost per 1000 males. If neonatal circumcision was cost-free, pain-free, and had no immediate complications, it was still more costly than not circumcising.
Neonatal circumcision is not good health policy, and support for it as a medical procedure cannot be justified financially or medically."

"A survey of women who have had sexual experience with circumcised and anatomically complete partners showed that the anatomically complete penis was preferred over the circumcised penis. ...
the mechanics of coitus were different for the two groups of men. Unaltered men tended to thrust more gently with shorter strokes."

"Women reported they were significantly more likely to have experienced vaginal dryness during intercourse with circumcised than with genitally intact men."

Etc, etc ...
Medical Studies on Circumcision
.

It is actually recommended in places like Africa to slow the spread of disease. Also, the difference in "feeling" has been reported as being negligible.

---
Did you read the citation in my link that negates your Africa claim?

A survey of South African men showed that circumcision had no protective effect in the prevention of HIV transmission. This is a concern, and has implications for the possible adoption of mass male circumcision strategy both as a public health policy and an HIV prevention strategy.

Connolly, C. et al., South African Medical Journal 98(2008): 789-794
.