Zone1 Christian Zionism

[alang1216]

First of all I believe the bible was written by men.

Was it dictated by God or was all that prophesy stuff in the OT fabricated?

And according to you what was written about Jesus is fabricated and apparently ripped off. According to you. So I don't see how you can't believe it wasn't a conspiracy. Do I need to walk you through the elements of a conspiracy?

I know you don't see how it wasn't a conspiracy. Let's leave it at that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You can choose to hide your head in your ideological sand but others are open to dialogue and new ideas. It is called growth, you should try it some time.

Oh, right, you're the scummy liar who posted a bunch of lies about me and couldn't defend a single one when I challenged you..........




I hope your name is Herman so it rhymes with what you are.



You posted a series of lies about me.....





"That is exactly NOT what you want.



You want to go back to a time when gays couldn't marry and had to hide in the closet.

You want to go back to a time when you got health care only if you could afford it.

You want to go back to a time when the only religions allowed were Jewish and Christian.

You want to go back to a time when racial and sex discrimination was accepted practice.

You want to go back to a time when all charity came from the religion you belonged to.

You want to go back to a time when pollution was an accepted part of business.

I could go on. Get Ready For A One-Party Nation post# 118



If you can't produce any quotes of mine that support your statements, then you are what you always were, a lying sack of offal.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Yes, I consider scripture divinely inspired, too. All of it, from Genesis to Revelation, is the work of a few Israelites who worshiped their one living deity. Their remnant.

Most Israelites, however, were wicked and idolatrous, or so this remnant conveyed in their compositions. Fortunately, this majority did not contribute to their texts (at least, as far as I know).

Did Franklin or anyone else who helped establish state or federal governments believe Jews should relocate to a future state of Israel? In his letter to the Danforth Synagogue, Washington assured them they were quite welcome right where they were.

Is Christian Zionism mentioned in any of America's 18th-century documents? It certainly isn't mentioned in the Bible. Not in any post-biblical sense, anyway.

Washington, Franklin welcomed Jews, and I recall reading something along those lines re: Muslims.


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Yes, George Washington welcomed Jews and other religious groups to the United States by supporting freedom of worship and religious liberty.

Explanation

• In 1790, Washington wrote a letter to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island. In the letter, he:
  • Stated that the new nation would not sanction bigotry or assist persecution
    
    
  • Assured that the government would not interfere with religious beliefs
    
    
  • Embraced the idea that religious liberty is a natural right
    
    
  • Quoted the Bible's Old Testament to reassure that people would be able to worship in safety
• Washington's letter is considered a stepping stone to the First Amendment, which was passed in 1791.
  
  
• Washington's support of religious liberty led other religious communities to seek his affirmation. For example, a Jewish congregation in Savannah, Georgia, praised Washington for his "unexampled liberality".
  
  
• Washington was the first head of a modern nation to openly acknowledge Jews as full citizens.

 

[alang1216]

Oh, right, you're the scummy liar who posted a bunch of lies about me and couldn't defend a single one when I challenged you..........




I hope your name is Herman so it rhymes with what you are.



You posted a series of lies about me.....





"That is exactly NOT what you want.



You want to go back to a time when gays couldn't marry and had to hide in the closet.

You want to go back to a time when you got health care only if you could afford it.

You want to go back to a time when the only religions allowed were Jewish and Christian.

You want to go back to a time when racial and sex discrimination was accepted practice.

You want to go back to a time when all charity came from the religion you belonged to.

You want to go back to a time when pollution was an accepted part of business.

I could go on. Get Ready For A One-Party Nation post# 118



If you can't produce any quotes of mine that support your statements, then you are what you always were, a lying sack of offal.

If I posted a bunch of lies about you, why is it you couldn't deny a single one when I challenged you?

 

[norwegen]

Washington, Franklin welcomed Jews, and I recall reading something along those lines re: Muslims.


AI Overview
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Yes, George Washington welcomed Jews and other religious groups to the United States by supporting freedom of worship and religious liberty.

Explanation

• In 1790, Washington wrote a letter to the Hebrew Congregation in Newport, Rhode Island. In the letter, he:
  • Stated that the new nation would not sanction bigotry or assist persecution
    
    
  • Assured that the government would not interfere with religious beliefs
    
    
  • Embraced the idea that religious liberty is a natural right
    
    
  • Quoted the Bible's Old Testament to reassure that people would be able to worship in safety
• Washington's letter is considered a stepping stone to the First Amendment, which was passed in 1791.
  
  
• Washington's support of religious liberty led other religious communities to seek his affirmation. For example, a Jewish congregation in Savannah, Georgia, praised Washington for his "unexampled liberality".
  
  
• Washington was the first head of a modern nation to openly acknowledge Jews as full citizens.

Yea, I guess Newport. I was thinking Danforth for some reason.

How unfortunate, though, that Islam arrived so early (imported with the slave trade). But then fortunately, very few slaves were Muslim, and it had no impact on America's founding (yet). But I kinda thought our American predecessors were generally antagonistic to the Mohammedans over seas.

 

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Was it dictated by God or was all that prophesy stuff in the OT fabricated?

Dictated? No. Inspired... as in the Israelites believed that God was on their side and accordingly crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

I know you don't see how it wasn't a conspiracy. Let's leave it at that.

How else can you explain the sheer volume and magnitude of - according to you - false claims of miracles and resurrection, if not for a conspiracy? Especially since the first Christians - who were Jewish - began worshiping Jesus as God immediately after he rose from the dead.

 

[PoliticalChic]

If I posted a bunch of lies about you, why is it you couldn't deny a single one when I challenged you?

And now for instructional post of the day: how to keep an idiot busy!

Can you post all of my quotes that verify these claims of yours:




I hope your name is Herman so it rhymes with what you are. Herman the Vermin



You posted a series of lies about me.....





"That is exactly NOT what you want.

You want to go back to a time when gays couldn't marry and had to hide in the closet.

You want to go back to a time when you got health care only if you could afford it.

You want to go back to a time when the only religions allowed were Jewish and Christian.

You want to go back to a time when racial and sex discrimination was accepted practice.

You want to go back to a time when all charity came from the religion you belonged to.

You want to go back to a time when pollution was an accepted part of business.

I could go on. Get Ready For A One-Party Nation post# 118



If you can't produce any quotes of mine that support your statements, then you are what you always were, a lying sack of offal.

 

[alang1216]

And now for instructional post of the day: how to keep an idiot busy!

Can you post all of my quotes that verify these claims of yours:




I hope your name is Herman so it rhymes with what you are. Herman the Vermin



You posted a series of lies about me.....





"That is exactly NOT what you want.

You want to go back to a time when gays couldn't marry and had to hide in the closet.

You want to go back to a time when you got health care only if you could afford it.

You want to go back to a time when the only religions allowed were Jewish and Christian.

You want to go back to a time when racial and sex discrimination was accepted practice.

You want to go back to a time when all charity came from the religion you belonged to.

You want to go back to a time when pollution was an accepted part of business.

I could go on. Get Ready For A One-Party Nation post# 118



If you can't produce any quotes of mine that support your statements, then you are what you always were, a lying sack of offal.

I gave you yet another chance to deny what I wrote but you can't, can you? You're a Trump supporter so, since he supports what I wrote, it is obvious that you support what I wrote and the lying sack of offal is yourself.

 

[alang1216]

Dictated? No. Inspired... as in the Israelites believed that God was on their side and accordingly crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel.

Why did the Israelites believe that God was on their side?

 

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Why did the Israelites believe that God was on their side?

Because they believed they were chosen by God to establish standards.

 

[ding]

Why did the Israelites believe that God was on their side?

Do you believe ancient Jews crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

Can you tell me why you wouldn't acept that explanation?

 

[alang1216]

Because they believed they were chosen by God to establish standards.

Why did they believe that?

 

[alang1216]

Do you believe ancient Jews crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

Can you tell me why you wouldn't acept that explanation?

So you want me to agree that there was a conspiracy to deceive people with fake stories for theological ends?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I gave you yet another chance to deny what I wrote but you can't, can you? You're a Trump supporter so, since he supports what I wrote, it is obvious that you support what I wrote and the lying sack of offal is yourself.

So you selected "alang1216" as your name because "pinhead' was already taken?

 

[PoliticalChic]

I gave you yet another chance to deny what I wrote but you can't, can you? You're a Trump supporter so, since he supports what I wrote, it is obvious that you support what I wrote and the lying sack of offal is yourself.

Every claim you made about me is a lie.




"That is exactly NOT what you want.

You want to go back to a time when gays couldn't marry and had to hide in the closet.

You want to go back to a time when you got health care only if you could afford it.

You want to go back to a time when the only religions allowed were Jewish and Christian.

You want to go back to a time when racial and sex discrimination was accepted practice.

You want to go back to a time when all charity came from the religion you belonged to.

You want to go back to a time when pollution was an accepted part of business.

I could go on. Get Ready For A One-Party Nation post# 118

 

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Why did they believe that?

The question is why don’t you believe they crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

 

[ding]

So you want me to agree that there was a conspiracy to deceive people with fake stories for theological ends?

No. I want you to admit you believe there was a conspiracy to deceive people with fake stories.

We can figure out the why later.

 

[alang1216]

The question is why don’t you believe they crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

No, the question I asked was "Why did the Israelites believe that God was on their side?".

Do you believe they crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

 

[alang1216]

No. I want you to admit you believe there was a conspiracy to deceive people with fake stories.

We can figure out the why later.

You claimed they "crafted" stories. Sounds like you think they made them up.

 

[ding]

No, the question I asked was "Why did the Israelites believe that God was on their side?".

It doesn’t matter why they believed it. It only matters that they did and crafted narratives of events to teach it.

Do you believe they crafted narratives of events to teach lessons about the covenant, obedience, justice, and the unique relationship between God and Israel?

100%. What other explanation is there?