Christian Voters Guide

[lennypartiv]

1.2 billion Roman Catholics worldwide probably see that just a wee bit differently...

Catholics are interesting people. Catholic leaders tell them not to take birth control pills, yet 90 percent of Catholic couples use the pill.

 

[Kondor3]

1.2 billion Roman Catholics worldwide probably see that just a wee bit differently...

Catholics are interesting people. Catholic leaders tell them not to take birth control pills, yet 90 percent of Catholic couples use the pill.

Correct. Those are called 'Cafeteria Catholics'. They pick-and-choose which portions of Church dogma that they will adhere to.

 

[Terri4Trump]

Correct. Those are called 'Cafeteria Catholics'. They pick-and-choose which portions of Church dogma that they will adhere to.

Yes.You are 100% correct.

And that "disease" has spread to other faiths too. There are sects of Lutherans who accept the sin of sodomy, as do sects of the Anglican church. And we all know that lots of "cultural" Jews do not observe their own scriptures.

But Catholics do have a HUGE problem in that area.

 

[Terri4Trump]

I guess the OP thinks that it is in her (his?) power to define the Christian faith.

What a snotty stupid post, the kind you are so well known for.
What I DO say and what I CAN say is that anyone who calls himself a Christian and PROMOTES mortal sin, ACCEPTS mortal sin, and PRACTICES mortal sin without repenting is NOT a Christian. Yes, I can say that with 100% surety.

Now, is it possible they will repent in the future and go to heaven? Sure, let us hope so.

Doesn't matter. op just copypastas stuff anyway..

Don't comment on things that you know nothing about. I TEACH beginning apologetics at my local parish.

This thread was never intended to be a religious discussion. Its supposed to be political about the Five Issue mentioned in the video.

 

[presonorek]

sin of sodomy,

Sodomy is not a sin. With a sin you can ask forgiveness, stop doing it and then have an abundant life.

Sodomy is the fruit of someone that has repeatedly rejected God. Because they have repeatedly rejected God, God has given them a reprobate mind which is basically a mind that doesn't work properly that no longer knows right from wrong.

Homosexuality is just evidence of an untrustworthy reprobate that hates God to the fullest. Sodomy is not sin. Only the totally wacky would think to so such things. Even murderers, adulterers, drunkards, liars, thieves, and such do not resort to homosexuality.

Renounce your Christian faith now or accept its position on homosexuality. Stop teaching that the Bible calls sodomy a sin. That is a lie.

 

[Kondor3]

...Sodomy is not a sin...

Incorrect. Your argument is merely an expression of personal opinion. One that a great many Christians will disagree with.

 

[presonorek]

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...Sodomy is not a sin...

Incorrect. Your argument is merely an expression of personal opinion. One that a great many Christians will disagree with.

It is not about my opinion or the opinion of millions of Christian lite believers. Romans chapter one is pretty clear on the matter.

 

[Crepitus]

LOL "Christian values" and you're a Trump supporter. Says all we need to know about "Christian values".

Lying = All Good
Cheating = All Good
Infidelity = All Good
Sex with porn stars while wife is pregnant with your child = All good
hush payments to porn stars to cover up infidelity = All good
Scamming people out of money with bogus business ventures = All Good
Stiffing Contractors for payments on work performed = All Good

"Christian Values"

Yup we are electing him again

All good

Of course it's all good. You have no standards. The only thing that matters to you is that you see an (R) next to the persons name that you vote for. The rest is negotiable.

And all you care about is killing your kids, something I fully support by the way..

Really?

You are even more foul and disgusting than I thought previously. And considering what I thought previously that's quite an accomplishment.

Why should I care if you follow the law and flush the kids who would be just as retarded as you.

I'll help, and in doing soMAGA

Too bad you weren't one of them.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Don't comment on things that you know nothing about. I TEACH beginning apologetics at my local parish.

I dunno, I kind of know all sorts of stuff with regard to apologetics. Believe you me, sister. If you only knew the half of it.

thread was never intended to be a religious discussion. Its supposed to be political about the Five Issue mentioned in the video.

For the record, our entire government philosophy is religious in nature. You don't get to dictate the terms of discussion. Respectfully. America is, again, a haven for all religions. Not just cultural Christians.

 

[Natural Citizen]

This thread was never intended to be a religious discussion. Its supposed to be political about the Five Issue mentioned in the video.

Matter of fact, if it's political and not religious, We'll need to get it in the right subby.


Mods, Terri said her thread wasn't intended to be religious, she said it was meant to be political. It's probably gonna need to get moved to the right sub. Can we get that dispatched, please, needs swatted. Send the biggest goon ya got, she was in the station the other day complaining, remember?

 

[Natural Citizen]

How do ya ike that? lol.

 

[presonorek]

This thread was never intended to be a religious discussion. Its supposed to be political about the Five Issue mentioned in the video.

Whoops. It was placed in the religious category. lol

 

[presonorek]

How do ya ike that? lol.

I thought it was clever. I didn't catch it.

 

[Natural Citizen]

How do ya ike that? lol.

I thought it was clever. I didn't catch it.

It's a heck of a thing, man. It's a heck of a thing.

 

[Terri4Trump]

The people who made the video also have their own website and forum. Here is an OP from their forum. It is distinctly Catholic:
Link >> Aren't there 13 Non-Negotiables, not just 5?

The current 5 Non-Negotiables is a list of acts that are intrinsic evils according to the infallible magisterium of the Catholic Church.

These are the intrinsic evils on the current 5 Non-Negotiables list:

(1) Abortion
(2) Euthanasia
(3) Embryonic Stem Cell Research
(4) Human Cloning
(5) Homosexual “marriage”

Some Catholics recommend using this list as a guide for voting for political candidates and political parties.

The current 5 Non-Negotiables are viewed as a valid “test” of the morality of a candidate or party because all of the acts on the list are intrinsic evils, which means that they are serious moral evils and can never be moral in any degree or in any situation.

I think they are called “Non-Negotiable” because a moral person in a legislature cannot/should not engage in “horse trading” over intrinsic evils with other issues that are not intrinsic evils.

For example, a legislator who submits to objective morality would never or should never agree to vote for a bill that legalizes Euthanasia as a tactic to get another legislator to vote for a bill to fund the construction of a bridge in the district he represents. Rather, a legislator who submits to objective morality would never under any circumstances vote for a bill that legalizes Euthanasia, and would never vote against a bill that re-criminalizes Euthanasia (in a situation in which it had already be legalized).

I just see one little problem with all of this, and, as far as I can see, the problem is not little, it is HUGE.

The problem is that current federal and state law in the U.S. already makes legal the following 8 intrinsic evils.

The Other 8 Non-Negotiables are:

(1) No-fault divorce and remarriage.
(2) Sale and use of birth control devices (in addition to the intrinsic evil of intentional contraception, birth control pills cause the intrinsic evil of abortion a certain percentage of the time, even if the users don’t know it).
(3) Pornography production, distribution, viewing and possession.
(4) Adultery.
(5) Any and all sex acts between two or more consenting heterosexual adults outside of legal marriage.
(6) Any and all sex acts between two or more consenting homosexual adults outside of legal marriage.
(7) Prostitution (Prostitution is legal in State of Nevada. Thus, clearly, the U.S. Constitution does NOT forbid prostitution, and at any time in the future any state could legalize it. President Lincoln argued for the 13th Amendment to the Constitution by saying that as long as slavery was legal in any state and legal under the U.S. Constitution, it would eventually spread to all the states.)
(8) Blasphemy.

All 8 of those intrinsic evils above were formerly illegal in the laws of the U.S. states and/or the U.S. federal government.

These 8 intrinsic evils were made legal (and made widespread) in the U.S.A. by bills passed by legislators that repealed the former legal prohibitions. All this happened mainly since the 1960s. For most of U.S. history, these things were illegal.

Therefore, legislators could—and should–pass new bills that restore the traditional legal code that makes these 8 intrinsic evils illegal once again.

Given the grave harm done to souls, families and societies, a valid “test” for the morality of a legislator or candidate for the legislature, or for an organized party of legislators and candidates, would be whether they pledge to never vote the for those 8 Non-Negotiables in addition to the 5 Non-Negotiables currently being used for this purpose.

Yet, we never heard anything about these Other 8 Non-Negotiables. No one recommends that the morality of candidates or legislators or parties by judged by these Other 8 Non-Negotiables.

Why?

It can’t be because the 5 Non-Negotiables are all about the direct killing of innocent human life, since the 5 Non-Negotiables contains Homosexual “Marriage,” which doesn’t kill anyone.

Surely the legalization of birth control devices, and the legalization of no-fault divorce and remarriage have done at least as much harm to souls, families, and souls as the legalization of gay marriage. Yet, those intrinsic evils don’t make the list of the 5 Non-Negotiables that some people circulate at election time.

Why?

Who came up with this list of “the 5 Non-Negotiables”? For what reason? Why did thy omit all these other intrinsic evils that are the proper subject of government regulation?

I know that for several years I WAS MISLED. Like many others, I used the 5 Non-Negotiables list to evaluate candidates. I thought these were the only intrinsic evils at stake. But, thanks to the Catechism, and the Vatican web site, I’ve learned more.

At the very least, should not Catholics be informed that there are MORE than 5 intrinsic evils that are the proper subject of government legislation? Doesn’t BASIC HONESTY call for that?

But, even better, should we not start using the 13 NON-NEGOTIABLES to evaluate candidates at election time?

I don’t see this as a matter of politics. I see this as a matter of Catholics really knowing and seeing what is moral and what is immoral, what is an intrinsic evil and what is not an intrinsic evil. I think we Catholics are in danger of being misled by cynical, amoral people greedy for political power. As a Catholic Answers Forum moderator for this sub-forum has written:

“Rather, we ought to sentire cum ecclesia, to “think with the Church.” This means that we must not only believe the Creeds and declarations of the ecumenical councils and the infallible pronouncements of the Holy Father, but that we must also hold to the common sentence of the approved theologians.”

 

[Terri4Trump]

This thread was never intended to be a religious discussion. Its supposed to be political about the Five Issue mentioned in the video.

Matter of fact, if it's political and not religious, We'll need to get it in the right subby.


Mods, Terri said her thread wasn't intended to be religious, she said it was meant to be political. It's probably gonna need to get moved to the right sub. Can we get that dispatched, please, needs swatted. Send the biggest goon ya got, she was in the station the other day complaining, remember?

They moved it here, so you are spinning your wheels. The staff hate me and my posts and do whatever they can to shuffle them off to virtual Buffalo. I appreciate the effort though

 

[Natural Citizen]

They moved it here, so you are spinning your wheels. The Mods hate me and my posts. I apprecdiate the effort though

Really. Hm. Where'd ya have it before? In politics? Technically speaking, our fundamental founding philosophy of governance is religious in nature. So it would logically go here. I wonder which of em had the good sense to do that. I once had a thread moved from the Congress section. So I just stopped making any threads beyond random musings. Now I just pop off from the peanut gallery in other peoples threads.