Zone1 Christian Artist Amy Grant Hosting LGBT Wedding

[bodecea]

How does other people you don't know getting married violate your conscience? You are not responsible for the behavior of other people even the Bible doesn't say you are.

So-called 'christians' pick and choose what they want to believe with their bible.

 

[bodecea]

If any profession requires you to do anything that "violated your conscience" then you are free not to engage in that profession.

Maybe you should be out there getting petition signatures on a bill to abolish all public accommodation laws.

That's too hard......they'd rather whine.

 

[bodecea]

You need to reflect on that comment. A lot.

This is exactly why theocracies are so dangerous, folks.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Honestly, look at the threads here…at what gins up the most outrage.

And if all sins are of equal why is homosexuality the ONLY one brought up when it comes to weddings?

Conservatives have secretly indulged in porn, had affairs, looked the other way on abortion and generally failed to fight for those commandments they KNOW God expects them to defend.

Is it any wonder their God is giving them the middle finger?

 

[bodecea]

I just asked because many of your posts indicate you are a pervert.

In what way?

 

[bodecea]

I am pointing out if things were as you described, there would be no big wedding. Now, let's back to reality. No one has to tell the baker why they want the cake. No one has to tell those who rent out facilities what it is for. If no one in town plans gay weddings, do the planning out of town. Wedding planners cost money, and if one has the funds for a wedding planner, then an out-of-town wedding planner shouldn't be an issue.

There is no reason to create problems where none exist. If one would not force a person of the Jewish faith to make them a ham sandwich, why the need to force those of Christian beliefs to do what is uncomfortable and off-putting for them. Is that what makes someone feel good about their wedding, knowing the cake was grudgingly made, the the wedding planner's heart was not in it, etc.? A demand for respect with no intent to be respectful in return is not the best way to proceed.

Does that Jewish person normally make ham sandwiches? Or are you trying to force a business to make something they have never provided a service for before?

 

[bodecea]

Yes.

And again, this is why theocracies are so dangerous.

 

[Meriweather]

I can make up "holy ground" just as easily.

For example?

When I am on Native American land or on the property of a Chinese Temple, I observe their customs as I am on their holy ground.

Sure, you can identify your home or business as holy ground, and I will be happy to observe your rules/customs or not step foot on your property.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

There is nothing wrong with what you call bigotry if its for the right reasons

I am bigoted against pedophiles and make no apologies for it

Drag Queen Story Hour is perverts attacking innocent unsuspecting children and it should be stopped

Yeah, I do have to agree there seems to be a definite agenda of exposing children to drag queens.
But I also think for the most part those calling themselves Christians are looking the other way.
I'm pretty sure that God would not be happy with any 'Christian" who fails to actively defend the commandments and Bible principles.

 

[bodecea]

…or maybe this respect can work both ways? Is it ok for religious people to impose their religious values on others through their professions?

Does a Muslim, who opposes alcohol and chooses to work in an establishment that routinely serves it be allowed to refuse to serve it?

Likewise, does a pharmacist have the right to to refuse to issue prescribed medication to a patient because he disapproves of that person’s presumed lifestyle? If he can’t serve all equally under the code of ethics required but his professional licensure, should he be in that profession?

At what does it go to far? Who tramples on whom?





No church or religious official should ever be required to officiate or provide a venue for an activity that violates their religion. Marriage however, is not any one entity’s sacred ground. Historically it was a civil contract among the wealthy and powerful to protect property and dynasties while commobers held to common law marriage. At one point, polygamy was the norm.

In terms of ideals, respect and faith…you have a valid point. But it needs to work both ways.

I remember a story from over a decade ago about Muslim taxi drivers, I think in Detroit, who refused to carry passengers who had alcohol. They were fired, they sued, they lost. Rightfully so.

 

[bodecea]

“Red state?”

There are always plenty of libs in every red state

But I understand that red stater’s are sinners too

But on issues like sex with children the blue far outnumbers the red

Ah....so even in red states you would blame libs. Methinks you protest too much......

 

[Meriweather]

you are FORCING us by twisting secular law to follow your random, made up "religious beliefs".

Some forced secular law to change. Was that respectful to the original law and its intent? Religious beliefs are not "made up", they are lived by the faithful. They have been ongoing throughout history. Yes, they do deserve respect.

 

[bodecea]

For example?

When I am on Native American land or on the property of a Chinese Temple, I observe their customs as I am on their holy ground.

Sure, you can identify your home or business as holy ground, and I will be happy to observe your rules/customs or not step foot on your property.

Doesn't matter if I have an example now............I can make one up, just like that cake couple made one up.

 

[bodecea]

Yeah, I do have to agree there seems to be a definite agenda of exposing children to drag queens.
But I also think for the most part those calling themselves Christians are looking the other way.
I'm pretty sure that God would not be happy with any 'Christian" who fails to actively defend the commandments and Bible principles.

Tell us what's so scary about drag queens.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Man, you can tell just from these threads that Murika is a MESS !!!!

 

[bodecea]

I don’t see how you got there from here.

But going along with the trend…

So you are into discrimination and being able to refuse service on the basis of race, gender, religion, sexual orientation? You might need to put a sign up so people will know not to come in.

That would be a good idea. I wonder why they don't leap to do that........................

 

[Meriweather]

Children get groomed in religious institutions every day......................and yet I don't see you having a problem with that.

Oh dear. The public school where I most often teach have Character Pillars posted in every room and hallway. I suppose those should be removed as well.

 

[BasicHumanUnit]

Tell us what's so scary about drag queens.

Some of them are BIG and lick their lips when they look at you?

 

[bodecea]

Moral Law
Ceremonial Law
Civil Law

Mixed fabrics was part of the ceremonial law, no longer applicable after there was no more tabernacle or temple. Think of it like this: you had a bedtime for your children when they were young. They no longer need that "law". It's not that the law was unnecessary or invalid--it just no longer applies.

The ceremonial and civil laws of the OT are like that. All the stuff people love to cite about seafood and mixed fabrics.

Who cares about the OT. We are a secular country with secular laws. You want "christian" sharia.

 

[bodecea]

No, that's not what I mean.

If nothing other people do ever violates your conscience than maybe you don't have one

The Golden Rule.