Christian Airman Claims He Was Fired by Lesbian Commander for Gay Marriage Stance

[daveman]

Now the career of an airman with 19 years in the Air Force is threatened, evidently because of his orthodox Christian beliefs. The First Amendment protects religious liberty, and forbids government from compelling a person to express any opinion they do not share.
These unprecedented issues regarding troops’ First Amendment rights have led Congress to move new legislation that would protect troops against such hostility, which has passed the House and is pending in the Senate. President Obama threatens to veto the legislation if it reaches his desk.

Of course he does. Christians must be punished for their views.

Progressives sure do loves them some double standards, don't they?

 

[mamooth]

Progressives sure do loves them some double standards, don't they?

Some kooks will believe anything to get that precious, precious victimhood fix. Modern American conservatism is essentially now a cult of victimhood addicts.

 

[Mushroom]

What is this, the freaking thought police?

Then Valenzuela gave Monk an order, demanding Monk tell her whether he regards those who oppose gay marriage as discriminating against homosexuals. His attorneys add that he was told that supporting gay marriage was now military policy, and that he was not allowed to disagree with that policy.

Monk claims he responded that he could not answer Valenzuela’s question the way she wanted, and that he feared expressing his true beliefs could put him in legal jeopardy.

Monk was then relieved of his duties.

THis is what I find very disturbing.

i just have faith in the chain of command. is it possible that he's being persecuted for some reason? yes, it is. is it more likely that he won't abide by the rules his commander set for him and keep his opinion to himself? i believe so

Obviously you have not read the article at all, have you? Because if you had, you would know he was keeping his opinion to himself, and was ordered to reveal his personal beliefs!

And there is no article in the UCMJ that makes it punishable to have personal beliefs.

It is extremely unlikely that he is prone to disobeying orders from his commander. It is far more likely that his commander has a problem with his moral convictions.

Actually, I believe he has every right to disobey that order, because I doubt it is a lawful order.

Contrary to what many people believe, we in the military are not robots, and not every order is lawful. If some Officer tried to ask me what I thought of gays in the military, it is my right for me to refuse to answer, because he or she has no legal rights to demand me to give him my personal views.

I expect he will get another good position, and this will largely be forgotten. And her career will end with retirement in fairly short order. She is trying to do a witch hunt, bullying her subordinates, and sowing distrust in the ranks under her for her own political beliefs.

Her asking him that question was no more legal then if somebody over me asked who I voted for in the last election. I would have answered the same way, it would be NOYFB.

 

[Cenotaph]

Let's wait until the verdict before we start forming any opinions.

 

[daveman]

Progressives sure do loves them some double standards, don't they?

Some kooks will believe anything to get that precious, precious victimhood fix. Modern American conservatism is essentially now a cult of victimhood addicts.

I'm sure it makes you feel better about the constant whining of progressives to believe such.

 

[Mushroom]

Let's wait until the verdict before we start forming any opinions.

Actually, in accordance with the NDAA of 2013, which was signed into law by President Obama on 3 January 2012, the Commander and possibly the Air Force are in violation of the law.

SEC. 533. PROTECTION OF RIGHTS OF CONSCIENCE OF MEMBERS OF
THE ARMED FORCES AND CHAPLAINS OF SUCH MEMBERS.
(a) PROTECTION OF RIGHTS OF CONSCIENCE.—
(1) ACCOMMODATION.—The Armed Forces shall accommodate the beliefs of a member of the armed forces reflecting
the conscience, moral principles, or religious beliefs of the
member and, in so far as practicable, may not use such beliefs
as the basis of any adverse personnel action, discrimination,
or denial of promotion, schooling, training, or assignment.
(2) DISCIPLINARY OR ADMINISTRATIVE ACTION.—Nothing in
paragraph (1) precludes disciplinary or administrative action
for conduct that is proscribed by chapter 47 of title 10, United
States Code (the Uniform Code of Military Justice), including
actions and speech that threaten good order and discipline.
(b) PROTECTION OF CHAPLAIN DECISIONS RELATING TO CONSCIENCE, MORAL PRINCIPLES, OR RELIGIOUS BELIEFS.—No member
of the Armed Forces may—
(1) require a chaplain to perform any rite, ritual, or ceremony that is contrary to the conscience, moral principles, or
religious beliefs of the chaplain; or
(2) discriminate or take any adverse personnel action
against a chaplain, including denial of promotion, schooling,
training, or assignment, on the basis of the refusal by the
chaplain to comply with a requirement prohibited by paragraph
(1).
(c) REGULATIONS.—The Secretary of Defense shall issue regulations implementing the protections afforded by this section.

http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-112hr4310enr/pdf/BILLS-112hr4310enr.pdf

Now if you want a translation of the relevant paragraphs (which I bolded), what it says basically is that a service member's own personal beliefs can't be held against them, unless the offense is against the Uniform Code of Military Justice. If he was preaching for violence or mutiny or any offense that could see him Court Martialed, then this protection does not apply. And I have not seen anything in this case where that applies whatsoever, so his rights were indeed violated.

And interestingly enough, President Obama was against Paragraph 533, but he signed off on it so it is the law. Punishing this person after being ordered to express his own personal beliefs is indeed illegal.

And I can guarantee that if the reverse was the case (the Commander was against gay marriage and pressured the First Sergeant to admit he was for it and relieved) the Progressives would be jumping all over the Commander. This is the kind of thing I simply can't stand.

For gay marriage, against gay marriage, in favor of legal beastiality, I really could not care less. Ordering somebody to express their personal opinion then punishing them for it is illegal, period.

And this is a major blow to his career. This will likely see him retiring at his current rank in another year, as nobody wants a First Sergeant that has been relieved of duty from a training command.

 

[GreenBean]

for those 19 yrs his bigoted views were acceptable in the air force. they no longer are. if he can't accept that he deserves to be fired.

He has as much a right to his opinions as a queer has to join the military. The Commander should be relieved of her duties for unprofessional Bias, conduct unbecoming an officer, and un-American and anti-democratic actions.

Unfortunately, the Law no longer means much, especially under the current Regime.

Former Florida Congressman Allen West is calling for congressional oversight hearings into what he describes as an “alarming trend” of dismissals and firings of high-ranking military officers by the Obama administration, firings that in a number of cases appear to be political.

While he wouldn’t assign a particular reason for the high rate of dismissals – and he declined to label them a “purge” ..... West acknowledges the rate of dismissals at the higher ranks is having an adverse impact on mid-level officers and enlisted personnel.

A retired Army Lt. Colonel, West said Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel “doesn’t have a good handle on this and that the trend of dismissals is being directed from the Oval Office.” [Many are relative to the Benghazi Fiasco]

West says the most troubling and pervasive issue at play is the radical “social egalitarianism” being forced on the military – rather than the traditional focus on maximizing readiness – which, he says, is bringing the world’s greatest military to the point that “we can’t fight a war.”

He referred specifically to the dismissal of Senior Master Sgt. Philip Monk, who was relieved of his position for refusing to agree with the homosexual worldview of his commanding officer, a lesbian...........

Can't post a URL - I'm new they won't let me - Google 'Allen West: Congress must probe military firings'

 

[theDoctorisIn]

The "article" is written by the same people representing Monk in court.

Not exactly what I'd consider an unbiased source.

 

[GreenBean]

This has nothing to do with Phelps except that instead of "God Hates Fags" the military is saying "The Military Hates Christians". That's true. Christians should take that to heart and live it. The military does not want Christians or Jews in the ranks. When found, the military will do everything it can to destroy that Christian and his or her career. It isn't hard to figure out. It's pretty clear. This military has no place for Christians.

Which is a good thing. Christians should NOT be laying down their lives to protect the rights of evil people or the rights of the abnormal to be abnormal to the detriment of everyone else. If anyone is going to die for the rights of abortionists to kill babies, gays to promote an aberrational lifestyle and black racists to kill anyone not of their black race, it should NOT be a Christian.

Airmen say Air Force is punishing evangelical Christians

Military Under Obama Pushing 'Active Discrimination Against Christianity'

MILITARY TRAINING DOCUMENT: ANTI-CHRISTIAN SPLC A TRUSTED SOURCE TO DEFINE 'EXTREMISM'

 

[JakeStarkey]

Some writes that Christian Airman Claims He Was Fired by Lesbian Commander for Gay Marriage Stance , so I wonder if he would have a problem if a Lesbian Airman Claims She Was Fired by Christian Commander for Gay Marriage Stance ?

 

[NLT]

Christians have no business being in America's military today. If anyone is going to be fodder for obama's wars it should be liberals. Stay home, join a local militia.

Christians make good killers.

Yea they learned to be after fighting lions in Romes Colosseum.
Romans loved to kill Christian Slaves.

 

[NLT]

How many millinea have Christians treated the homosexual with malice and murder?

Only Christians? You are showing your bias ****

 

[Jroc]

Some writes that Christian Airman Claims He Was Fired by Lesbian Commander for Gay Marriage Stance , so I wonder if he would have a problem if a Lesbian Airman Claims She Was Fired by Christian Commander for Gay Marriage Stance ?

What do have against Christians?

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Would say simply if he was such a great Christian he shouldn't have been in the military anyway. Breaking the 6th Commandment, or by way of supporting role assisting in the breaking of it for money makes you a hired murderer. And since it's the one commandment you can't be forgiven for (since forgiveness requires being forgiven agaist the one you may have sinned against) it clashes against every faith that forbids murder, which is all of them. And nothing any government says or how they justify their war is gonna abide by the Bible's laws, or superceed it. So any objection to homosexuality from a religious position will be hypocritical at best.

 

[daveman]

The "article" is written by the same people representing Monk in court.

Not exactly what I'd consider an unbiased source.

You're free to offer your own sources.

 

[daveman]

Would say simply if he was such a great Christian he shouldn't have been in the military anyway. Breaking the 6th Commandment, or by way of supporting role assisting in the breaking of it for money makes you a hired murderer. And since it's the one commandment you can't be forgiven for (since forgiveness requires being forgiven agaist the one you may have sinned against) it clashes against every faith that forbids murder, which is all of them. And nothing any government says or how they justify their war is gonna abide by the Bible's laws, or superceed it. So any objection to homosexuality from a religious position will be hypocritical at best.

You're not very good at theology, are you?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Some writes that Christian Airman Claims He Was Fired by Lesbian Commander for Gay Marriage Stance , so I wonder if he would have a problem if a Lesbian Airman Claims She Was Fired by Christian Commander for Gay Marriage Stance ?

What do have against Christians?

Why would you protect anyone's wrong doing, Christian or otherwise?

That's not the American way, podnah.

 

[Jroc]

Some writes that Christian Airman Claims He Was Fired by Lesbian Commander for Gay Marriage Stance , so I wonder if he would have a problem if a Lesbian Airman Claims She Was Fired by Christian Commander for Gay Marriage Stance ?

What do have against Christians?

Why would you protect anyone's wrong doing, Christian or otherwise?

That's not the American way, podnah.

You answer a question with a question..your original question was stupid, and you didn't even respond the topic of the thread...But that's what you do.

 

[Noomi]

So its okay to kick someone out of the military because they are gay, but not okay to kick someone out because they are a homophobic ****?

 

[dreolin]

A lot more of this is coming. They've got their foot in the door and are going to shove their agendas up our XXXXXXX!

Senior Master Sgt. Phillip Monk has served in the U.S. Air Force for 19 years with a clean service record. But his new lesbian commander has relieved him of duty and is threatening his career, allegedly because of his Christian beliefs regarding gay marriage. Officials are investigating as Monk appeals his punishment.

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I was in the service in the late 1960s and early 1970s, the Field Artillery, and there were gay troops in then and man, they were good troops and especially because they didn't have to be rollin' around in the blood and mud with the rest of us but they were there...not a lot but they deserve respect as far as I'm concerned.

I am glad they can serve. It makes for a better America when everyone is allowed to do whatever duty they deem fit.

Story seems a bit off to me. it seems unlikely that this would happen or there are distortions., starting with "getting fired."