CDC SOFTENS Rules For Prescribing OPIOIDS Because 'Patients Are Struggling To Access Them' - Conflict Of Interest?

[Muhammed]

Companies are not getting any money for drug screening.

Bullshit. It's an $8.9 BILLION industry in just the USA. And growing very quickly.

They are making a shitload of money for performing medically unnecessary tests. And the greedy fucks and corrupt lobbyists and bought-off legislators are putting pain patients through hell.

Sure, to you or me it may be no big deal to just jump in our car and drive to the pain specialist's office once/month. And going and taking a piss test. But to people in serious pain, doing little things that we may take for granted is absolute torture. And it's completely unnecessary and unethical.

It's just plain cruel.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Bullshit. It's an $8.9 BILLION industry in just the USA. And growing very quickly.

They are making a shitload of money for performing medically unnecessary tests. And the greedy fucks and corrupt lobbyists and bought-off legislators are putting pain patients through hell.

Sure, to you or me it may be no big deal to just jump in our car and drive to the pain specialist's office once/month. And going and taking a piss test. But to people in serious pain, doing that is absolute torture. And it's completely unnecessary and unethical.

Hold up.
Are you saying they should just hand out pain meds with no supervision?
As a patient that needs pain meds I gotta say you're wrong. If you truly need pain meds they will prescribe them.
Do you have to prove you need them with medical records yes you do.
I've seen and heard people go apeshit while visiting my pain Doc when they were told they wont be getting anymore pain meds.
From personal experience it has to be very clear to the docs they dont need them anymore.

 

[Muhammed]

Hold up.
Are you saying they should just hand out pain meds with no supervision?
As a patient that needs pain meds I gotta say you're wrong. If you truly need pain meds they will prescribe them.
Do you have to prove you need them with medical records yes you do.
I've seen and heard people go apeshit while visiting my pain Doc when they were told they wont be getting anymore pain meds.
From personal experience it has to be very clear to the docs they dont need them anymore.

The fact of the matter is that, regarding how much pain they are experiencing, the patient knows more than the doctor. Only the patient knows with 100% certainty.

The doctor is merely guessing. A doctor/patient relationship is built on mutual trust. And if the doctor does not believe the patient, they are displaying a lack of trust.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

The fact of the matter is that, regarding how much pain they are experiencing, the patient knows more than the doctor. Only the patient knows with 100% certainty.

The doctor is merely guessing. A doctor/patient relationship is built on mutual trust. And if the doctor does not believe the patient, they are displaying a lack of trust.

No the Doc isnt just guessing.
They go by your medical records and if those records support the patients claims.
Which is why the pain Doc told me right off the bat that I'd been run through the wringer.
It was an educated decision based off my medical history.

 

[sparky]

The biggest threat to our freedoms in my view seems to be an overbearing top heavy federal government full of incumbents

Don't let the partisans (or the feds) here BS you into thinking YOU are the problem Az

That's old news......

There's a shitload of money involved there.

It's a big fucking scam.

It's a catch 22.

Fucking idiocy.

In the broader perspective, our Government has been the biggest dope dealer in America for quite some time.....

~S~

 

[DudleySmith]

In the broader perspective, our Government has been the biggest dope dealer in America for quite some time.....

~S~

True. It's largest source of income for the 19th century was booze, which is why they encouraged drunkeness to the point where per capita consumption in the U.S. was 3-4 times that of Europe's, leading to poverty and violence, especially against women, and making saloons the center of American political corruption.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

CDC SOFTENS rules for prescribing opioids in apparent U-turn

US health chiefs have dropped rules suggesting opioid prescriptions should only last for three days, and that led to people being rapidly taken off the drugs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

My Comments:
We all know that opioids can help relive pain, are highly addictive, and are a plague on American society.

Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid, and is killing thousands of Americans annually.

Did you know that the FDA gets about 45% of its funding from Big Pharma from "user fees" like review of drugs and vaccines? [Link]

The CDC also gets huge amounts of money from user fees... See the aqua/green color on this chart. Note that it is many tens of billions of dollars (largely COVID related, I bet)....

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[Source Link]

These agencies are in cahoots with Big Pharma. These companies they regulate literally pay their salaries. As such, they have a vested interest in approving an promoting the use of these dangerous drugs they approve and regulate.

What meds a person gets should be between them and their doctor, the Fed Govt has no room telling a doctor what is best for their patient.

 

[sparky]

which is why they encouraged drunkeness to the point where per capita consumption in the U.S. was 3-4 times that of Europe's

ah jeez Dudley
you would catch me reading this with my 'afternoon constitutional' in hand.......~S~

 

[WEATHER53]

No longer can watch an hour of TV without some soapy sappy Covid commercial playing cute with how good an idea Covid shots are for 5-100 years of age. All the “let’s pitch in” chirping. Absolute overkill that is killing people
Historically you might see one typical flu shot ad in a 12-24 hour period but now it’s constant that the cheery nauseating brain washing is continuous

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Bullshit. It's an $8.9 BILLION industry in just the USA. And growing very quickly.

They are making a shitload of money for performing medically unnecessary tests. And the greedy fucks and corrupt lobbyists and bought-off legislators are putting pain patients through hell.

Sure, to you or me it may be no big deal to just jump in our car and drive to the pain specialist's office once/month. And going and taking a piss test. But to people in serious pain, doing little things that we may take for granted is absolute torture. And it's completely unnecessary and unethical.

It's just plain cruel.

I'm failing to see the dynamics here. As stated, by law, we were forced to have drug screening in our company. Explain to me how my employer profited off drug screens outside of savings from insurance. He had to pay us while we ran to the clinic. We were only allowed X amount of time to get there. If we didn't have enough urine to provide a sample, he had to pay us while we waited in the waiting room. When complete, he had to pay the bill from the clinic (and lab) that did the drug screen. So where is this profit at?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

True enough.
Oxycodone is weak as hell when it comes to real pain.
And I'm certainly pissed that the surgeon fucked me up worse than when I went to him to fix the problem.
I went in being able to walk with a slight limp and left needing a cane to get around.
Thought about suing but it wouldnt be worth it considering Texas passed a law limiting malpractice lawsuits to 200K by the time you paid your lawyer you'd be lucky to walk away with 120K which isnt worth it on the off chance that we lost the case.
I've had to give up most of the things I love to do because of it.
Still have one more surgery to go and I hope this last one will fix the problem.

I wish you the best of luck. After the surgeries I guess they want to start you off on the weaker medication and only build up to the stronger stuff if needed. Agree, they were kind of weak, but they worked enough for me. After my father had a quadruple bypass, they put him on oxycontin. It made him sick so he threw them away. He suffered through the pain with extra strength aspirin. He said the pain was so bad that if he only knew, he would have chosen death instead.

At the beginning of this year I had a fall and messed up my chest. It hurt like hell when I took a breath and almost impossible to sleep. The oxycondon wasn't working very well so my doctor doubled the dose. When he wrote a new script he accidentally wrote it for the original dose that wasn't working. I called and told his office they screwed up and asked if they can write an additional script for the adjusted new dose. They said they couldn't. If they added to the original script the government would be up their ass in no time asking questions. They couldn't write me a new script until the mistake script expired.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I wish you the best of luck. After the surgeries I guess they want to start you off on the weaker medication and only build up to the stronger stuff if needed. Agree, they were kind of weak, but they worked enough for me. After my father had a quadruple bypass, they put him on oxycontin. It made him sick so he threw them away. He suffered through the pain with extra strength aspirin. He said the pain was so bad that if he only knew, he would have chosen death instead.

At the beginning of this year I had a fall and messed up my chest. It hurt like hell when I took a breath and almost impossible to sleep. The oxycondon wasn't working very well so my doctor doubled the dose. When he wrote a new script he accidentally wrote it for the original dose that wasn't working. I called and told his office they screwed up and asked if they can write an additional script for the adjusted new dose. They said they couldn't. If they added to the original script the government would be up their ass in no time asking questions. They couldn't write me a new script until the mistake script expired.

My script was originally from my surgeon.
But he could only prescribe the pain meds for so long before I had to go to a pain Doc.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

They are THE main method of relieving pain.


Bullshit. I've taken them on and off for 40 years without getting addicted to them. I have a bottle full of them right now enough to kill a rhinoceros and I often go days without taking them, seldom even the prescribed amount!


Anything is a plague if misused. Like good, rich food. Do you intend to ban Italian? There are more fat people than drug addicts!


BINGO. Fentanyl was DESIGNED to be an addictive drug. I also know that back in 2015 after having my knee surgery, I could only get a weeks supply at a time and had to walk on my operated leg, DRIVE to the doctor's office each week to physically pick up the script then DRIVE to the pharmacy to get it filled, thus aggravating my surgery adding months to the recuperation and great pain and agony each week thanks to braindead useless federal regulations punishing legitimate medical patients for their own inability to regulate the border, pretending to control fentanyl by depriving legitimate patients in need of doctors medication. Fuck them and fuck you.

Hey, man.

I am more concerned about the addicts than people who are genuinely using opioids to fight severe pain.

That should be clear from my OP, and also that not only Big Pharma, but also the CDC and FDA push addictive drugs and they have a vested interest in doing so.

It has nothing to do with your personal situation.

And I was informed that the current situation makes it difficult to obtain pain killers for legitimate purposes, and acknowledged that I had learned something.

 

[toobfreak]

That should be clear from my OP

It might be if you organized your posts to be more concise. I scan text looking for the salient points then zero in on the needed details, but that is hard to do with just a big block of text as many of your threads are which is a shame as I know you put a lot of time and work into most of them.

 

[Jim H - VA USA]

We all knew this from the Covid disaster but our health care system is trash--and worse.

In the early 2000s they gave boatloads of opioids for NOTHING. If you pointed to a 10 on the 'pain scale' you were going home with a bottle full of strong stuff.

Oops---that was an overreaction.

So did they correct to something reasonable? Now why would they do that? No, they corrected to NO opioids given at all, even to people post-SURGERY. That's right, go home on Tylenol and ibuprofen, and if the Tylenol destroys your liver, oh well. For years, people have been unable to access reasonable pain control because the FDA recommended giving it out like candy 20 years ago.

Just awful. I think we were better off picking herbs and plants out of the forest to treat ourselves--and I'm not kidding.

Thanks. I have heard the same thing not too long ago, about zero pain being the goal.

Personally, I have a super high pain tolerance. When I have been prescribed pain meds, I don't take them. After surgerie, I have taken one tylenol even though I had 30 oxycontin (legally) in my possession. That's just me, though.

Your point about an over-correction is not wasted on me.

Regards,
Jim

 

[Muhammed]

When complete, he had to pay the bill from the clinic (and lab) that did the drug screen. So where is this profit at?

The company he paid the bill to, obviously.

 

[initforme]

People should be able to live pain free and anxiety free. Medical pot can really help both.

 

[sparky]

People should be able to live pain free and anxiety free. Medical pot can really help both.

oksurefine.......but i gotta be just a tad suspicious of any government wanting it's constituency stoned....

~S~

 

[Godboy]

CDC SOFTENS rules for prescribing opioids in apparent U-turn

US health chiefs have dropped rules suggesting opioid prescriptions should only last for three days, and that led to people being rapidly taken off the drugs.

www.dailymail.co.uk

My Comments:
We all know that opioids can help relive pain, are highly addictive, and are a plague on American society.

Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid, and is killing thousands of Americans annually.

Did you know that the FDA gets about 45% of its funding from Big Pharma from "user fees" like review of drugs and vaccines? [Link]

The CDC also gets huge amounts of money from user fees... See the aqua/green color on this chart. Note that it is many tens of billions of dollars (largely COVID related, I bet)....

View attachment 720563

[Source Link]

These agencies are in cahoots with Big Pharma. These companies they regulate literally pay their salaries. As such, they have a vested interest in approving an promoting the use of these dangerous drugs they approve and regulate.

I had a minor surgery on my leg. It was like pulling teeth to get pain killers for it and i got the third degree for even asking. It was super annoying.

I get that people are abusing the system to get drugs, but give me some fucking pain killers when you cut open my leg and use a cauterizing tool to stop the bleeding. That shit fucking hurts.

 

[sparky]

rutt roo....

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~S~