CCP may be desperate enough to start a war to save itself

[JohnDB]

I think you need to research the origin of that term before you expose your further ignorance.

"Shanghaied" meant that you were kidnapped to serve on the proverbial slow boat to China, when that took months.



You need to research the Prison Industrial Complex.
There's a reason why we quadrupled the prison population on mostly non-violent offences.

Follow the money.

But here's the point. We lock up more people than China does, even though they are an "evil commie dictatorship" and have five times as many people as we do

WOW....
I kinda thought you might be learning disabled but then you proved it to everyone publicly and removed all doubts.

Maybe you should watch some old black and white movies with Humphrey Bogart....

It will give you quite an education of life in general.

 

[JoeB131]

WOW....
I kinda thought you might be learning disabled but then you proved it to everyone publicly and removed all doubts.

Maybe you should watch some old black and white movies with Humphrey Bogart....

It will give you quite an education of life in general.

Your inability to refute the point is duly noted.

 

[Stryder50]

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Seems that during WWII FDR sent arms to Mao Zedong that enabled him to use them after the war to defeat the Chiang Kai-shek forces.

I'd like to see your source and proof on that.

By the time the US entered WWII Japan had captured all the ports in China and cut the Burma road. The only way to supply China was by air, flying "The Hump" over the Himalayas into Southern China where the Nationalist were. Mao and Communist were in the North part of China, out of reach for USA supply, but close for Russia.

The Communist may have captured some US weapons from the Nationalists, but their "Big Nation Supply" was Russia. There's a case to be made that US general Marshall got Chang to "cease fire" and negotiate, just before a battle that might have had the Nationalists win over the Communist. As it was, the Commies got the breather they needed to finally beat the Nationalists.

Those that could, evacuated to Formosa/Taiwan. They were still the (Nationalist) Republic of China and remain so today.

 

[Stryder50]

... and we armed Ho. What is your point: you can't tell the future?

Not enough to give him the edge to win, and only while the Japanese still occupied Vietnam. Most of the US equipment he had was captured from the French (who were using a lot of USA Lend-Lease stuff from WWII).

 

[Stryder50]

Israel would not do that. Israel does intend to deport the Palestinians. There is plenty of room for the Palestinians elsewhere in the Arab world.

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This should have Arab replaced with Muslim, which is more accurate.
The green is part of the Dar-al-Islam = World of Islam(Sharia).

 

[Stryder50]

Um, I was referring to America, not China. China selects the best people through merit.

We elect the clown who is willing to tell the most lies.

Democracy has failed in America. I'm sorry you can't see that.

But again- Public Education.



Nor do I have any desire to. (My wife would like us to retire there, I doubt I could adapt. Then I think about how much work she does to adapt to living here.)

China's leaders are selected the same way as in any Communist country - through gangster-ism and bullying within the Party. The most cunning, vicious and devious are the ones that rise.

 

[Stryder50]

1.4 Billion people. They are never going to run out of them.

Three Sovereigns and Five Emperors - Wikipedia

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Xia dynasty - Wikipedia

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Shang dynasty - Wikipedia

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CCP China is experiencing a significant drop in birth rate and population and will likely be under 1 billion within the next couple/few decades

 

[Stryder50]

The CCP keeps telling us how special china is

And for once they could be telling the truth

But for all the wrong reasons

Due to the one child policy china finds itself with a generation of “little emperors”

Aka a generation with plenty of spoiled boys and not enough girls to go around

Thats bad, but the failing chinese economy actually discourages marriage and procreation with the opposite sex

Bummer, huh?

Now trump is attacking the only segment in china that was working, namely exports

And that could be the straw that breaks the camel’s back

Either Xi is ousted from power by sane moderates or the CCP as a whole could fall

Actually China dropped that one child policy a few years ago.

 

[Mac-7]

Yep. And it won't happen exactly to avoid military hostilities. If Beijing and Washington suggest them choice between Hong Kong scenario and Ukrainian scenario - absolute majority will definitely do anything to avoid the latter. To declare independence from the continental part, they have to change the Constitution and to do this, they need at least 2/3 of the votes.


And, if allied with Russia, he can even win the war.

To declare independence from the continental part, they have to change the Constitution and to do this, they need at least 2/3 of the votes.

If its that much of an impossibility for the Taiwanese to formally free themselves from china the chicoms would not be so worried about it

I suspect its not as difficult as you suppose

The CCP is a murderous gang of cutthroats who rule mainland chine by force and by lies

Taiwan is a threat to them merely by its very existence because the CCP is so insecure

 

[Mac-7]

So some of these companies will probably relocate operations from China to Vietnam (Because a Vietnamese makes only $6000 a year vs. $13,000 for a Chinese.)

That figure is highly questionable because so many people in the rural areas have almost no income at all

In the glory days before the Wuflu pandemic 600 million in the big cities earned that much

but thats just a fond memory for them now

 

[Doc7505]

I'd like to see your source and proof on that.

By the time the US entered WWII Japan had captured all the ports in China and cut the Burma road. The only way to supply China was by air, flying "The Hump" over the Himalayas into Southern China where the Nationalist were. Mao and Communist were in the North part of China, out of reach for USA supply, but close for Russia.

The Communist may have captured some US weapons from the Nationalists, but their "Big Nation Supply" was Russia. There's a case to be made that US general Marshall got Chang to "cease fire" and negotiate, just before a battle that might have had the Nationalists win over the Communist. As it was, the Commies got the breather they needed to finally beat the Nationalists.

Those that could, evacuated to Formosa/Taiwan. They were still the (Nationalist) Republic of China and remain so today.

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China - U.S. Aid, Relations, Trade | Britannica

China - U.S. Aid, Relations, Trade: One U.S. response was the decision to send large amounts of arms and equipment to China, along with a military mission to advise on their use. The underlying strategy was to revitalize China’s war effort as a deterrent to Japanese land and naval operations...

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China's Overlooked Role in World War II | HISTORY

China was a vital, but often forgotten, member of the Allies battling Japan—two years before the official start of World War II.

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[Doc7505]

Actually China dropped that one child policy a few years ago.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/china-abandons-one-child-policy-1446116462

 

[Stryder50]

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China - U.S. Aid, Relations, Trade | Britannica

China - U.S. Aid, Relations, Trade: One U.S. response was the decision to send large amounts of arms and equipment to China, along with a military mission to advise on their use. The underlying strategy was to revitalize China’s war effort as a deterrent to Japanese land and naval operations...

www.britannica.com

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HyperWar: The Big 'L'--American Logistics in World War II [Chapter 1]

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China's Overlooked Role in World War II | HISTORY

China was a vital, but often forgotten, member of the Allies battling Japan—two years before the official start of World War II.

www.history.com

Thanks for the links but I;m not seeing anything on how the USA/FDR got supplies to Mao going through or over Japan, or through Russia during the World War Two years.

Meanwhile, here's something I started awhile back, a thread related over in History;
WW II (World War Two) - CBI = China/Burma/India Theater of Operations; AVG = American Volunteer Group ~ "Flying Tigers" ~ Etc.

 

[Stryder50]

Not so much desperate as part of the plan to be the dominate nation on Earth.

"A much needed wake-up call that China assumes that it is open season on Americans." —Victor Davis Hanson

"There is a Red Storm rising in the East—and America is already under assault from the Chinese Communist Party." —Lou Dobbs

“THE EAST IS RISING AND THE WEST IS DECLINING” —Xi Jinping,

2020 Xi Jinping, general secretary of the Chinese Communist Party, chairman of the Central Military Commission and the president of the People's Republic of China, wants to shape the world in China’s image, and in his conception of the world there is no place for the United States or even the current international order.

Noted China expert Gordon G. Chang warns that Xi Jinping believes he must destroy America to accomplish his objectives. And that Xi already has a plan to do it! Xi reveres Mao and is marching China back to Maoism. He is reinstituting totalitarian social controls, demanding absolute political obedience from everyone, and cutting foreign links. Closing China off from the world is an essential element of his plan to save the communist system. His isolationism and xenophobia evoke policies from the earliest years of the People’s Republic and during the two millennia of imperial rule.

And Xi can’t stop talking about war. More significantly, he is implementing the largest military buildup since the Second World War, he is trying to sanctions-proof the Chinese regime, he is stockpiling grain and other commodities, he is surveying America for strikes and sabotage, he is mobilizing China’s civilians for battle, and he is purging China’s military of officers opposed to going to war.

While America’s elite thinks their country is at peace, China’s regime is waging its brand of war. The Chinese regime has deliberately killed Americans in great numbers this century—with disease and in other ways—and it has a plan to destroy America. The communist party-state in fact believes it must eliminate the United States to ensure its own survival. And to accomplish its goals, the regime is now fast mobilizing to go to war. China is preparing to plunge the world into conflict.

In PLAN RED - China's Project to Destroy America; Chang shows China’s campaign against America excludes nothing and uses every point of contact with American society to destroy it. China has been attacking America FROM INSIDE America! China’s penetration of American society has been so thorough that the Communist Party has been able to kill Americans with impunity. Xi turned an in-country epidemic into a once-in-a-century pandemic.

This is the first time in history that one nation has attacked all the others. The Communist Party is using all its resources to support criminal activity in America, and Americans are dying as a direct result of those activities. Xi Jinping’s China is preparing to go to war. Not just “unrestricted war” or political war but “hot war” or “kinetic war,” in other words, war as Americans see it in the movies.

And China’s regime is planning to kill Americans in even greater numbers. It is marching the country to war. Americans, in the triumphalist mood after the fall of the Soviet Union, thought they should establish contacts with China. Now, the Chinese regime uses every point of contact against America, and at the moment the regime is overwhelming American institutions. The FBI is being overwhelmed, local law enforcement is being overwhelmed, governments at all levels are being overwhelmed, and private organizations are being overwhelmed.

After more than three decades of intensive “engagement,” it is clear Washington’s generous approach has failed. America has not changed China, as everyone now realizes; China has changed America.
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Part of Chang's section on America Defending itself includes breaking all ties with China. Excluding and expelling these students would be part of that. Admittedly, some may want to seek asylum and they should be considered. However, if they have any family or relatives still living in China this would put those lives at risk.

 

[Stryder50]

Unrestricted Warfare: Two Air Force Senior Colonels on Scenarios for War and the Operational Art in an Era of Globalization<a href="Unrestricted Warfare - Wikipedia" is a book on military strategy written in 1999 by two colonels in the People's Liberation Army (PLA), Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui Its primary concern is how a nation such as China can defeat a technologically superior opponent (such as the United States) through a variety of means. Rather than focusing on direct military confrontation, this book instead examines a variety of other means such as political warfare. Such means include using legal tools (see lawfare) and economic means as leverage over one's opponent and circumvent the need for direct military action.
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A sobering and fascinating study on war in the modern era, Unrestricted Warfare carefully explores strategies that militarily and politically disadvantaged nations might take in order to successfully attack a geopolitical super-power like the United States. American military doctrine is typically led by technology; a new class of weapon or vehicle is developed, which allows or encourages an adjustment in strategy. Military strategists Qiao Liang and Wang Xiangsui argue that this dynamic is a crucial weakness in the American military, and that this blind spot with regard to alternative forms warfare could be effectively exploited by enemies. Unrestricted Warfare concerns the many ways in which this might occur, and, in turn, suggests what the United States might do to defend itself.

The traditional mentality that offensive action is limited to military action is no longer adequate given the range of contemporary threats and the rising costs-both in dollars and lives lost-of traditional warfare. Instead, Liang and Xiangsui suggest the significance of alternatives to direct military confrontation, including international policy, economic warfare, attacks on digital infrastructure and networks, and terrorism. Even a relatively insignificant state can incapacitate a far more powerful enemy by applying pressure to their economic and political systems. Exploring each of these considerations with remarkable insight and clarity, Unrestricted Warfare is an engaging evaluation of our geopolitical future.
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[Stryder50]

One more item for consideration;

China, which appears to be our largest and most likely enemy in near future, is rapidly working to expand from about 400 nuclear warheads to 1,500+ by 2035; or per other sources between 4,200 to 8,000. In their Northern deserts they are building three separate missile silo fields which will hold between @250 to 360 of their DF-41 missile. Which can hold up to 10 warheads and has a range of 9,300 miles. - from: "Plan Red"; Gordon Chang, pages 69-70.

See also;

Air Force secretary labels China’s rapid nuclear expansion most ‘disturbing’ threat he has seen

www.stripes.com

 

[JoeB131]

I'd like to see your source and proof on that.

By the time the US entered WWII Japan had captured all the ports in China and cut the Burma road. The only way to supply China was by air, flying "The Hump" over the Himalayas into Southern China where the Nationalist were. Mao and Communist were in the North part of China, out of reach for USA supply, but close for Russia.

The Communist may have captured some US weapons from the Nationalists, but their "Big Nation Supply" was Russia. There's a case to be made that US general Marshall got Chang to "cease fire" and negotiate, just before a battle that might have had the Nationalists win over the Communist. As it was, the Commies got the breather they needed to finally beat the Nationalists.

Those that could, evacuated to Formosa/Taiwan. They were still the (Nationalist) Republic of China and remain so today.

Wow, that's a generous interpretation.

The problem was, of course, that Chiang Kai-Shek was grossly incompetent as a leader, which is why the Japanese were able to overrun half of China despite the Chinese having 10 times the amount of available manpower.

Chiang's own generals had to kidnap him to get him to take the Japanese more seriously as a threat than trying to hunt down Mao.

General Joseph Stilwell called Chiang "Peanut" and had no respect for him.

 

[JoeB131]

One more item for consideration;

China, which appears to be our largest and most likely enemy in near future, is rapidly working to expand from about 400 nuclear warheads to 1,500+ by 2035; or per other sources between 4,200 to 8,000. In their Northern deserts they are building three separate missile silo fields which will hold between @250 to 360 of their DF-41 missile. Which can hold up to 10 warheads and has a range of 9,300 miles. - from: "Plan Red"; Gordon Chang, pages 69-70.

Um, we have over 5000 nuclear warheads.

China having 1500 just doesn't seem like that big of a deal.

Gordon Chang is a crank. He's been predicting the fall of China since 2001.

It hasn't happened yet.

 

[JoeB131]

That figure is highly questionable because so many people in the rural areas have almost no income at all

In the glory days before the Wuflu pandemic 600 million in the big cities earned that much

but thats just a fond memory for them now

Actually, China recovered from Covid much better than we did.

We kind of gave up on Democracy after Covid, and we have a lunatic wrecking our economy, but you are so fine with that.

 

[Mac-7]

Actually, China recovered from Covid much better than we did.

Not at all

They were in pandemic mode two years after the rest of the world