CBS Debate: Candidates Felt Their "Inner Christie". Big Success.

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Well as gnarly as the debate was last night, I found myself proud of all the men on stage. They were feeling their inner Christie as Jeb Bush called it. Cue 1 hour, 8 minutes, 30 seconds. 1:08:30



At last we saw a debate more like Britain's House of Parliament. At last we saw a debate where there were men dropping their canned guards, for the most part, and really slugging it out. This is what the People want. They want to see the candidates tapping their inner Christie.

Trump of course went away unscathed. If you understand his mental state, you'd realize that nothing ever lands on it. It's the type of processing his mind does. It can never be wrong. I notice when the moderator actually asked him the question I was thinking of asking Trump if I could interview him "have you ever admitted you were wrong?"...words to that effect, Trump completely evaded saying yes or no. And the moderator, shame on him, didn't press it further. Most in the Trumpster ranks wouldn't see that as a significant interchange. But I did. Cue 1 hour, 35 minutes & 55 seconds: 1:35:55

Be that as it may, the candidates looked like they were trying on an oversized suit for the first time. Like boys who got into their daddy's closet.

Jeb Bush's (W-2's) version of his "inner Christie" found him stuttering...badly...it almost sounded like he was wearing an ear piece with someone feeding him his talking points with a sleight delay between his hearing, his brain processing and it coming out of his mouth. Like speech Parkinson's... He brought up his mommy and daddy too. Which I thought was quaint, but hardly what men do when they're fighting each other..

Ben Carson's version of his inner Christie was to nail the moderator each time for clearly cutting him out of the questions and the time allowed to speak by addressing previous questions the moderator did not ask him to answer, but did of the other candidates. Carson came across as being in the debate as a sort of pissy protest. Kind of like what a woman would do if they tried to disqualify her from the Miss Universe pageant and she could come there on a technicality.

Rubio's inner Christie was just a spun-up, louder and hand-gesture augmented version of his usual manic speeches where he doesn't let a nanosecond of pause fall off the end of a sentence before he begins the next one. It may be a hispanic thing; they talk fast like that. Or it may be a chemical imbalance... Either way, his version of trying on the Christie suit was to speak louder and with some more facts. But his mania always comes through. It was slightly less canned, but still canned. Just a larger can this time..

Cruz's inner Christie was to boast about how he could speak spanish..an unfortunate reminder to viewers that his father is Cuban and the whole Canadian birth situation...foreign essentially to the requirement of "natural born"...and to dial up the whiny tone of his voice and louder pitch, along with canned talking points until it felt like I was hearing fingernails on a chalk board.

Trump is Christie minus the calm, sobriety, and patience in delivery. Other than that the two men are virtually interchangeable in potency. Which is why Trump is pulling ahead and leaving the other wannabes in his dust.

Kasich's inner Christie was closest of all of them. I know I know...you're thinking he was the least like Christie. But he wasn't. He held back and calculated his more precise cuts on Bush in a manner that showed restraint, yet precision...all delivered with charm and flair. THAT is the true inner Christie. The others were going at it like monkeys with huge blunt clubs trying to bash butterflies. Kasich's inner Christie was most authentic with perhaps the missing component being the amplitude of the delivered blow; the death blow. Christie nearly mortally wounded Rubio before. Kasich by showing more maturity actually came closest to his inner Christie because the man who wins the fight must have ferocity but in equal measures must also have restraint and the ability to think with lightening speed on his feet in a constant continuum of "in the moment". You know, like what is the best description of what a president should be.

So, kudos to the boys for trying on the man suit. It was the first debate I've seen since I was born where I didn't want to fall asleep, or come away thinking that each man could be substituted for the other in the sense that whoever wins will just do Dick Cheney (five time draft dodger, LGBT marriage supporter, wife and he raised by democrats, praised Obama's Bin Laden handling) et al's bidding and sell our country and morals down the river for cash once they got in Office. I came away feeling like at least they were trying to love their country more than money....like they were trying to have some principled bone marrow instead of being hand puppets for whatever cash and power mongers were pulling their strings.

Big success. And as the boys slowly grow to be men, we hope all the missing parts of their "inner Christie" will be in place by the time one of them becomes the leader of the free world.

And I loved the fact that Trump wouldn't shake hands at the end and walked to the other end of the stage with his back turned to all the rest of the candidates. It's the reason he has so many followers. I wonder who is his match that could absorb those people for a decisive win this Fall for the GOP?

Trump, like him or hate him is forcing the other boys to become men in order to try to defeat him. And in this way, Trump is providing an excellent service to this country while on his grandiose quest to be THE most powerful man in the world instead of just the most powerful businessman in his own mind. Trump is the People's voice on the stage of these debates and he is stripping the puppets of their strings and forcing them to show their hand and personalities before they get in the seat of power...so we don't find out the hard way when it's too late... God help the man who has to come up against a seasoned and hardheaded NewYorker..lol.. Few can meet that challenge because they've haven't heard it all and seen it all; and instead have walked around in a protective bubble their whole lives. Those New York/Jersey types are in battle every day just walking to get coffee in the morning... "hey, up yours! Go back to your mommy's house you putz!". New Yorkers are raised on constant minor skirmishes. They enjoy it. They've had more pushy interchanges by breakfast each day than the pampered class everywhere else has had in a year's time.

You can't add that experience at the 11th hour and pull it off. But it was fun watching the other ones all try! Marvelous entertainment..

 

[washamericom]

had that very thought, & i thought jeb was being a dick. i don't agree with Trump that bush lied about WMD, which i believe saddam had.
remember Trump is in Manhattan. those people all have a different perspective than the rest of us that weren't in NYC or DC or shanksville. Trump can adapt, i like that about him. i wish i could warm up to jeb. he should watch that seinfeld, the lloyd bridges one... "so you think you're the world's greatest dad ? it's go time."

and that sentiment is shared by millions, just not me.

no more debates, or let fiorina and huckeby and christie ask the questions.

the democrats could be quizzed by their third guy, that dropped out.

 

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had that very thought, i thought jeb was being a dick. i don't agree with Trump that bush lied about WMD, which i believe saddam had.
remember Trump is in Manhattan. those people all have a different perspective than the rest of us that weren't in NYC or DC or shanksville. Trump can adapt, i like that about him. i wish i could warm up to jeb. he should watch that seinfeld, the lloyd bridges one... "so you think you're the world's greatest dad ? it's go time."

and that sentiment is shared by millions, just not me.

Well I've researched 9-11 more than the average Joe ever will. And I know that Dubya had a business with Osama Bin Laden's brother Salem Bin Laden called "Arbusto Oil" (Arbusto = bush en espanol). And I remember the headlines that were quickly buried that Dubya saw to it that the rest of Osama's family stateside was swiftly escorted out of the country (and away from prosecutors here) within hours of the 9-11 attack. And I remember that Bush kept bugging the real president (his Veep/head of a untouchable faction of the CIA Cheney created for himself) before 9-11 "can we invade Iraq now? How about now?"

9-11 gave them the green light into the Treasury to get the oil out of Iraq...uh...I mean to fight for our freedoms and liberties...and by that I mean the people in this country wanting that sweet crude Iraq has under its sand, without all those pesky middle men known as the Iraqi people and their rights to their own mineral resources and rights to trade it fairly at their price on a world market...

...When you look beneath the skirt of the fat ugly girl that is the Iraq invasion, it's not something most want to look at. So few people do. And hence the reason why the spin is so easy to pull off..

Two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's family were urgently evacuated from the United States in the first days following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, according to the Saudi ambassador to Washington....One of bin Laden's brothers frantically called the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Washington looking for protection, Prince Bandar bin Sultan told The New York Times. The brother was sent to a room in the Watergate Hotel and was told not to open the door....Most of bin Laden's relatives were attending high school and college. The young members of the bin Laden family were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret place in Texas and then to Washington, The Times reported Sunday. Bin Laden Family Evacuated

Evacuated for their safety? Really? While countrymen were still trapped under the twin tower rubble, Bush made this a priority for saftey...hmm... Great way to get potential witnesses out of the country and out of the reach of investigation too..

A year ago, Paul O'Neill was fired from his job as George Bush's Treasury Secretary for disagreeing too many times with the president's policy on tax cuts....Now, O'Neill - who is known for speaking his mind - talks for the first time about his two years inside the Bush administration. His story is the centerpiece of a new book being published this week about the way the Bush White House is run....Entitled "The Price of Loyalty," the book by a former Wall Street Journal reporter draws on interviews with high-level officials who gave the author their personal accounts of meetings with the president, their notes and documents....

Also from the same link Bush Sought 'Way' To Invade Iraq? :

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"From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," says O'Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.

"From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime," says Suskind. "Day one, these things were laid and sealed."

As treasury secretary, O'Neill was a permanent member of the National Security Council. He says in the book he was surprised at the meeting that questions such as "Why Saddam?" and "Why now?" were never asked.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this,'" says O'Neill. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."

And that came up at this first meeting, says O'Neill, who adds that the discussion of Iraq continued at the next National Security Council meeting two days later....

...He got briefing materials under this cover sheet. "There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, 'Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,'" adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001. Based on his interviews with O'Neill and several other officials at the meetings, Suskind writes that the planning envisioned peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals, and even divvying up Iraq's oil wealth.

He obtained one Pentagon document, dated March 5, 2001, and entitled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield contracts," which includes a map of potential areas for exploration.

"It talks about contractors around the world from, you know, 30-40 countries. And which ones have what intentions," says Suskind. "On oil in Iraq."

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These two articles from CBS are very telling. Dan Rather knows the price though for ratting out the Bush regime.

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Dan Rather Defends the News Report That Got Him Fired: 'We Didn't Do It Perfectly,' But 'We Reported a True Story'
EST
Dan Rather still stands by the CBS News report that got him fired, nearly a decade and one feature film later.

The former anchor's reputation was tarnished after the accuracy of his 2004 story questioning President George W. Bush's military service was publicly disputed by the leader's administration. The entire saga was recently dramatized on the big screen in Truth, starring Robert Redford as Rather.

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Being accurate about the Bush family is something the press is not encouraged to do. Needless to say, this country would die if we had another Bush at the helm. I think it's poetic irony that CBS would be the one airing one of the most expository debates in my memory anyway. It's like something came full circle..

I really liked Dan Rather too. Everyone privately knows why he was sacked. And it could be this knowledge that is spurring on the Trumpsters.

 

[washamericom]

had that very thought, i thought jeb was being a dick. i don't agree with Trump that bush lied about WMD, which i believe saddam had.
remember Trump is in Manhattan. those people all have a different perspective than the rest of us that weren't in NYC or DC or shanksville. Trump can adapt, i like that about him. i wish i could warm up to jeb. he should watch that seinfeld, the lloyd bridges one... "so you think you're the world's greatest dad ? it's go time."

and that sentiment is shared by millions, just not me.

Well I've researched 9-11 more than the average Joe ever will. And I know that Dubya had a business with Osama Bin Laden's brother Salem Bin Laden called "Arbusto Oil" (Arbusto = bush en espanol). And I remember the headlines that were quickly buried that Dubya saw to it that the rest of Osama's family stateside was swiftly escorted out of the country (and away from prosecutors here) within hours of the 9-11 attack. And I remember that Bush kept bugging the real president (his Veep/head of a untouchable faction of the CIA Cheney created for himself) before 9-11 "can we invade Iraq now? How about now?"

9-11 gave them the green light into the Treasury to get the oil out of Iraq...uh...I mean to fight for our freedoms and liberties...and by that I mean the people in this country wanting that sweet crude Iraq has under its sand, without all those pesky middle men known as the Iraqi people and their rights to their own mineral resources and rights to trade it fairly at their price on a world market...

...When you look beneath the skirt of the fat ugly girl that is the Iraq invasion, it's not something most want to look at. So few people do. And hence the reason why the spin is so easy to pull off..

Two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's family were urgently evacuated from the United States in the first days following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, according to the Saudi ambassador to Washington....One of bin Laden's brothers frantically called the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Washington looking for protection, Prince Bandar bin Sultan told The New York Times. The brother was sent to a room in the Watergate Hotel and was told not to open the door....Most of bin Laden's relatives were attending high school and college. The young members of the bin Laden family were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret place in Texas and then to Washington, The Times reported Sunday. Bin Laden Family Evacuated

Evacuated for their safety? Really? While countrymen were still trapped under the twin tower rubble, Bush made this a priority for saftey...hmm... Great way to get potential witnesses out of the country and out of the reach of investigation too..

A year ago, Paul O'Neill was fired from his job as George Bush's Treasury Secretary for disagreeing too many times with the president's policy on tax cuts....Now, O'Neill - who is known for speaking his mind - talks for the first time about his two years inside the Bush administration. His story is the centerpiece of a new book being published this week about the way the Bush White House is run....Entitled "The Price of Loyalty," the book by a former Wall Street Journal reporter draws on interviews with high-level officials who gave the author their personal accounts of meetings with the president, their notes and documents....

Also from the same link Bush Sought 'Way' To Invade Iraq? :

*******
"From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," says O'Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.

"From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime," says Suskind. "Day one, these things were laid and sealed."

As treasury secretary, O'Neill was a permanent member of the National Security Council. He says in the book he was surprised at the meeting that questions such as "Why Saddam?" and "Why now?" were never asked.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this,'" says O'Neill. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."

And that came up at this first meeting, says O'Neill, who adds that the discussion of Iraq continued at the next National Security Council meeting two days later....

...He got briefing materials under this cover sheet. "There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, 'Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,'" adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001. Based on his interviews with O'Neill and several other officials at the meetings, Suskind writes that the planning envisioned peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals, and even divvying up Iraq's oil wealth.

He obtained one Pentagon document, dated March 5, 2001, and entitled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield contracts," which includes a map of potential areas for exploration.

"It talks about contractors around the world from, you know, 30-40 countries. And which ones have what intentions," says Suskind. "On oil in Iraq."

********

These two articles from CBS are very telling. Dan Rather knows the price though for ratting out the Bush regime.

*******
Dan Rather Defends the News Report That Got Him Fired: 'We Didn't Do It Perfectly,' But 'We Reported a True Story'
EST
Dan Rather still stands by the CBS News report that got him fired, nearly a decade and one feature film later.

The former anchor's reputation was tarnished after the accuracy of his 2004 story questioning President George W. Bush's military service was publicly disputed by the leader's administration. The entire saga was recently dramatized on the big screen in Truth, starring Robert Redford as Rather.

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Being accurate about the Bush family is something the press is not encouraged to do. Needless to say, this country would die if we had another Bush at the helm. I think it's poetic irony that CBS would be the one airing one of the most expository debates in my memory anyway. It's like something came full circle..

I really liked Dan Rather too. Everyone privately knows why he was sacked. And it could be this knowledge that is spurring on the Trumpsters.

nah... but i remember "kenneth, what's the frequency ?!!"

 

[Auld Phart]

had that very thought, i thought jeb was being a dick. i don't agree with Trump that bush lied about WMD, which i believe saddam had.
remember Trump is in Manhattan. those people all have a different perspective than the rest of us that weren't in NYC or DC or shanksville. Trump can adapt, i like that about him. i wish i could warm up to jeb. he should watch that seinfeld, the lloyd bridges one... "so you think you're the world's greatest dad ? it's go time."

and that sentiment is shared by millions, just not me.

Well I've researched 9-11 more than the average Joe ever will. And I know that Dubya had a business with Osama Bin Laden's brother Salem Bin Laden called "Arbusto Oil" (Arbusto = bush en espanol). And I remember the headlines that were quickly buried that Dubya saw to it that the rest of Osama's family stateside was swiftly escorted out of the country (and away from prosecutors here) within hours of the 9-11 attack. And I remember that Bush kept bugging the real president (his Veep/head of a untouchable faction of the CIA Cheney created for himself) before 9-11 "can we invade Iraq now? How about now?"

9-11 gave them the green light into the Treasury to get the oil out of Iraq...uh...I mean to fight for our freedoms and liberties...and by that I mean the people in this country wanting that sweet crude Iraq has under its sand, without all those pesky middle men known as the Iraqi people and their rights to their own mineral resources and rights to trade it fairly at their price on a world market...

...When you look beneath the skirt of the fat ugly girl that is the Iraq invasion, it's not something most want to look at. So few people do. And hence the reason why the spin is so easy to pull off..

Two dozen members of Osama bin Laden's family were urgently evacuated from the United States in the first days following the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, according to the Saudi ambassador to Washington....One of bin Laden's brothers frantically called the Saudi Arabian Embassy in Washington looking for protection, Prince Bandar bin Sultan told The New York Times. The brother was sent to a room in the Watergate Hotel and was told not to open the door....Most of bin Laden's relatives were attending high school and college. The young members of the bin Laden family were driven or flown under FBI supervision to a secret place in Texas and then to Washington, The Times reported Sunday. Bin Laden Family Evacuated

Evacuated for their safety? Really? While countrymen were still trapped under the twin tower rubble, Bush made this a priority for saftey...hmm... Great way to get potential witnesses out of the country and out of the reach of investigation too..

A year ago, Paul O'Neill was fired from his job as George Bush's Treasury Secretary for disagreeing too many times with the president's policy on tax cuts....Now, O'Neill - who is known for speaking his mind - talks for the first time about his two years inside the Bush administration. His story is the centerpiece of a new book being published this week about the way the Bush White House is run....Entitled "The Price of Loyalty," the book by a former Wall Street Journal reporter draws on interviews with high-level officials who gave the author their personal accounts of meetings with the president, their notes and documents....

Also from the same link Bush Sought 'Way' To Invade Iraq? :

*******
"From the very beginning, there was a conviction, that Saddam Hussein was a bad person and that he needed to go," says O'Neill, who adds that going after Saddam was topic "A" 10 days after the inauguration - eight months before Sept. 11.

"From the very first instance, it was about Iraq. It was about what we can do to change this regime," says Suskind. "Day one, these things were laid and sealed."

As treasury secretary, O'Neill was a permanent member of the National Security Council. He says in the book he was surprised at the meeting that questions such as "Why Saddam?" and "Why now?" were never asked.

"It was all about finding a way to do it. That was the tone of it. The president saying 'Go find me a way to do this,'" says O'Neill. "For me, the notion of pre-emption, that the U.S. has the unilateral right to do whatever we decide to do, is a really huge leap."

And that came up at this first meeting, says O'Neill, who adds that the discussion of Iraq continued at the next National Security Council meeting two days later....

...He got briefing materials under this cover sheet. "There are memos. One of them marked, secret, says, 'Plan for post-Saddam Iraq,'" adds Suskind, who says that they discussed an occupation of Iraq in January and February of 2001. Based on his interviews with O'Neill and several other officials at the meetings, Suskind writes that the planning envisioned peacekeeping troops, war crimes tribunals, and even divvying up Iraq's oil wealth.

He obtained one Pentagon document, dated March 5, 2001, and entitled "Foreign Suitors for Iraqi Oilfield contracts," which includes a map of potential areas for exploration.

"It talks about contractors around the world from, you know, 30-40 countries. And which ones have what intentions," says Suskind. "On oil in Iraq."

********

These two articles from CBS are very telling. Dan Rather knows the price though for ratting out the Bush regime.

*******
Dan Rather Defends the News Report That Got Him Fired: 'We Didn't Do It Perfectly,' But 'We Reported a True Story'
EST
Dan Rather still stands by the CBS News report that got him fired, nearly a decade and one feature film later.

The former anchor's reputation was tarnished after the accuracy of his 2004 story questioning President George W. Bush's military service was publicly disputed by the leader's administration. The entire saga was recently dramatized on the big screen in Truth, starring Robert Redford as Rather.

**********

Being accurate about the Bush family is something the press is not encouraged to do. Needless to say, this country would die if we had another Bush at the helm. I think it's poetic irony that CBS would be the one airing one of the most expository debates in my memory anyway. It's like something came full circle..

I really liked Dan Rather too. Everyone privately knows why he was sacked. And it could be this knowledge that is spurring on the Trumpsters.

 

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Yes, if you make that laugh icon big enough, people might not want to read the actual CBS news reports on 9-11's factual events.

Clever, make people feel stupid even for wanting to look into it. Isn't that spin 101?

The point is NO BUSH is going to be the democratic bumper sticker this Fall. And quite an effective one too.

I didn't bring up the 9-11 thing on this thread, so let's not go further with it. The point was that Trump had valid points about 9-11...the only people Bush seemed imminently concerned about keeping safe immediately after 9-11 were the extended members of the Bin Laden family he had his FBI take special care to get out of the country fast.

'nuff said.. Back to "Inner Christie"...

 

[Auld Phart]

Don't you mean their partisan take on it?

 

[aaronleland]

I liked that debate. It was definitely the most balanced so far. Kudos to CBS for not completely ignoring the lower polling candidates. I loved Carson's comment early on about actually being included, because he was already asked two questions. That's how a debate should be moderated.

 

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nah... but i remember "kenneth, what's the frequency ?!!"

Dan Rather identifies mysterious 1986 attacker from news photos

NEW YORK (AP) - The mystery may be solved: Dan Rather has identified the man he says beat him up on the street in 1986 while demanding to know ''Kenneth, what is the frequency?''...The CBS anchorman said his assailant was William Tager, now in prison for killing an NBC stagehand outside the ''Today'' show in 1994....Tager was convinced the media had him under surveillance and were beaming hostile messages to him, and he demanded that Rather tell him the frequency being used, according to a forensic psychiatrist who examined Tager after the NBC shooting.....Rather was told by the psychiatrist, Dr. Park Dietz, that Tager was almost certainly his attacker. The anchorman identified Tager from pictures supplied by the New York Daily News... What's the Frequency, Kenneth? - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

OK, I get the spin....you are either "hugely laughable" or "insane" if you think the CBS reports on the Bush/9-11 incidents are anything but pure distilled innocence on behalf of the Bush/Cheney administration. Geeze! Don't want to be called names. Better not look further...!

OK, back to the CBS debate then....on that you will all find relief no doubt. Next time posters shouldn't bring up 9-11 as a tangent.

 

[Silhouette]

I liked that debate. It was definitely the most balanced so far. Kudos to CBS for not completely ignoring the lower polling candidates. I loved Carson's comment early on about actually being included, because he was already asked two questions. That's how a debate should be moderated.

Yes, poor Carson. He's intelligent enough but just doesn't have the true grit needed this time around. Maybe when times are calmer and there's no Putin, Iran and China to take by the horns..

 

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The main moderator was pretty severe too. Nothing glib about him.