Cato Institute: Immigrants Are a Net Positive

[Oddball]

The CATO Institue lost its panache about 25 years ago.

Right around the time that Koch Industries became a major supporter.

 

[Oddball]

Yes, that's because it's supported by empirical evidence collected by scientists the planet over.

No it's not...It's only "support" is computer models, that are more flawed than the flawed humans entering in the data from which its measurements are derived.

 

[dblack]

If you're here illegally and you interact with government in any way, you should be deported.

Of course. This seems obvious. And I don't really know anyone who would disagree with the statement. The questions around immigration are more subtle:

Are our limits on legal immigration realistic? Do they satisfy our need for labor and Mexico's need for jobs? Should we consider changing them to match the reality of the situation?

If someone is suspected of being here illegally, should we drop all Constitutional limits on state power, all due process, and send unhinged goon squads after them? Should these goon squads have immunity from prosecution for their excesses? Should they have a license to kill anyone in their way? Should they be allowed to wear masks to hide their identity when they do these things?

 

[Oddball]

Are our limits on legal immigration realistic? Do they satisfy our need for labor and Mexico's need for jobs? Should we consider changing them to match the reality of the situation?

No they aren't, no they don't, and that's no accident.

 

[Mac-7]

Of course. This seems obvious. And I don't really know anyone who would disagree with the statement. The questions around immigration are more subtle:

Are our limits on legal immigration realistic? Do they satisfy our need for labor and Mexico's need for jobs? Should we consider changing them to match the reality of the situation?

If someone is suspected of being here illegally, should we drop all Constitutional limits on state power, all due process, and send unhinged goon squads after them? Should these goon squads have immunity from prosecution for their excesses? Should they have a license to kill anyone in their way? Should they be allowed to wear masks to hide their identity when they do these things?

This is a culture war that woke libs started

and despite some setbacks we are winning

 

[Oddball]

This is a culture war that woke libs started

and despite some setbacks we are winning

Oh, but the culture war is just a sideshow!

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Of course. This seems obvious. And I don't really know anyone who would disagree with the statement. The questions around immigration are more subtle:

Are our limits on legal immigration realistic? Do they satisfy our need for labor and Mexico's need for jobs? Should we consider changing them to match the reality of the situation?

If someone is suspected of being here illegally, should we drop all Constitutional limits on state power, all due process, and send unhinged goon squads after them? Should these goon squads have immunity from prosecution for their excesses? Should they have a license to kill anyone in their way? Should they be allowed to wear masks to hide their identity when they do these things?

Of course. This seems obvious. And I don't really know anyone who would disagree with the statement.

Every leftist would disagree.

If someone is suspected of being here illegally, should we drop all Constitutional limits on state power, all due process, and send unhinged goon squads after them?

Not at all. When they're detained, they should get all the due process they are entitled to receive.
Most cases should take 5 minutes, max.

Should they be allowed to wear masks to hide their identity when they do these things?

Yes.

 

[Oddball]

Not at all. When they're detained, they should get all the due process they are entitled to receive.
Most cases should take 5 minutes, max.

As the left has correctly said numerous times; it's a civil violation...As such, it's not subject to the judicial warrants that they are now demanding.

According to the law that BILL CLINTON signed, they get rolled up before an immigration judge and out they go.

 

[dblack]

Of course. This seems obvious. And I don't really know anyone who would disagree with the statement.

Every leftist would disagree.

I don't know many leftists, but of those I do - none of them think that illegal aliens should be allowed to continue unabated. I'm sure there are many who do think that way - but I know that not all of them do. And for every one of them who do, there are MAGA people cheering for ICE mowing people down in the streets.

If someone is suspected of being here illegally, should we drop all Constitutional limits on state power, all due process, and send unhinged goon squads after them?

Not at all. When they're detained, they should get all the due process they are entitled to receive.

Let's test that. Do you approve of the recent ICE killings in Minnesota? Should the ICE agents have immunity?

 

[dblack]

Oh, but the culture war is just a sideshow!

It's a sideshow that taken the center ring. The two-party cesspool has become, primarily, a culture war battleground, with each side determined to force its will on the country.

 

[Mac-7]

I don't know many leftists, but of those I do - none of them think that illegal aliens should be allowed to continue unabated. I'm sure there are many who do think that way - but I know that not all of them do. And for every one of them who do, there are MAGA people cheering for ICE mowing people down in the streets.

Let's test that. Do you approve of the recent ICE killings in Minnesota? Should the ICE agents have immunity?

Most of the leftists I know are from forums like this

And none of them inspire respect

If you guys are typical then amnesty for all the illegals is your goal

 

[Mac1958]

I've been pointing this out for a very long time.

But reality does not matter to the cult. It does not impinge on their training one bit.

They can take a perfectly reasonable issue position and turn it into a trailer park wrestling match in the blink of an eye.

Exasperating.

 

[dblack]

Most of the leftists I know are from forums like this

I try not to take the partisan trolls on this board seriously as reps for either side. Maybe I'm in denial

If you guys are typical then amnesty for all the illegals is your goal

Not mine. Are you just making shit up again?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

I don't know many leftists, but of those I do - none of them think that illegal aliens should be allowed to continue unabated. I'm sure there are many who do think that way - but I know that not all of them do. And for every one of them who do, there are MAGA people cheering for ICE mowing people down in the streets.

Let's test that. Do you approve of the recent ICE killings in Minnesota? Should the ICE agents have immunity?

I don't know many leftists, but of those I do - none of them think that illegal aliens should be allowed to continue unabated.

The other 99% of leftists think it should be allowed to continue or even be increased.

Do you approve of the recent ICE killings in Minnesota? Should the ICE agents have immunity?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I don't think ICE agents should have immunity for shooting stupid violent protestors.

And every illegal alien should get up to 5 minutes of due process before they're sent home.

 

[dblack]

Do you approve of the recent ICE killings in Minnesota? Should the ICE agents have immunity?

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

That's what I figured. Thanks for confirming.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

That's what I figured. Thanks for confirming.

I don't think ICE agents should have immunity for shooting stupid violent protestors.

You're welcome. Glad to help.

 

[Mac-7]

I try not to take the partisan trolls on this board seriously as reps for either side. Maybe I'm in denial

dem politicians are elected by democrat voters who are ultimately responsible for all the craziness happening in places like Minneapolis

So I do take the libs on this forum seriously

 

[dblack]

I don't think ICE agents should have immunity for shooting stupid violent protestors.

Then what does this mean? "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes." - why was it necessary to include that? Was that just "vice signalling" to the other MAGA drones, to show that in reality you think it's funny that these people were killed and, ultimately, that they deserved it?

 

[Mac-7]

I try not to take the partisan trolls on this board seriously as reps for either side. Maybe I'm in denial

Not mine. Are you just making shit up again?

Do you support ICE or Walz and the lib rioters?

 

[dblack]

dem politicians are elected by democrat voters who are ultimately responsible for all the craziness happening in places like Minneapolis

So I do take the libs on this forum seriously

bbbbbbut dems... yes. Heard that one.