Zone1 Catholics (real ones) do NOT go against Scripture or add to it. It's a lie.

[hadit]

So, death for 3 days and 3 nights.

Yup, completely undeserved death, followed by resurrection. What's your point?

 

[hadit]

So you decide what is just and unjust for God? I refuse to accept you speaking for God is what I refuse.

I am merely pointing out that God is just and does not treat sin like something to be ignored. Do you acknowledge that God is just?

 

[hadit]

Actually the argument I am making is that God alone makes these decisions. But if you really want to believe you know God's decisions, then good for you. I'm not that arrogant to believe that I can speak for God.

I don't speak for Him, but I can read His Word where He tells me these things.

 

[Meriweather]

What do you call the death on the cross, but punishment for sin?

I covered this in Post #305.

If you see it as punishment, then you see Annas, Caiaphas, Pilate, and the Roman soldiers doing God's will in nailing Jesus to the cross. Or, do you see Jesus as manipulating these people so that they would nail him to the cross?

I haven't the faintest doubt that Jesus gave his life over the forgiveness of sins. The reason he was crucified is because of his proclamation to all that sins are forgiven; repentance for the forgiveness of sins. How can it even make sense to you for God to leave billions of people in their own sins as long as one sinless person was punished for the trillions of sins of billions?

 

[hadit]

I covered this in Post #305.

If you see it as punishment, then you see Annas, Caiaphas, Pilate, and the Roman soldiers doing God's will in nailing Jesus to the cross. Or, do you see Jesus as manipulating these people so that they would nail him to the cross?

He didn't have to manipulate anyone; He knew exactly what they were going to do. He could have at any moment called legions of angels to take Him away and prevent His crucifixion, He prayed desperately for ANY other way than to go to the cross, yet said this, remember?

"NOT MY WILL, BUT THINE, BE DONE".

Do you remember that? It WAS God's will that He go to the cross and suffer for the sin of mankind.

I haven't the faintest doubt that Jesus gave his life over the forgiveness of sins. The reason he was crucified is because of his proclamation to all that sins are forgiven; repentance for the forgiveness of sins. How can it even make sense to you for God to leave billions of people in their own sins as long as one sinless person was punished for the trillions of sins of billions?

If God is going to simply absolve everyone of all sin, there is no need for repentance. Why repent, deny yourself and take up your cross daily if God will ultimately say, "Never mind"?

 

[Meriweather]

If God is going to simply absolve everyone of all sin, there is no need for repentance.

That's my point. It requires people turn away from each sin to be forgiven each of their sins. Turning away from sin requires a change of mind and heart about committing that sin.

 

[rstrats]

You absolutely have, by default. You are aware of Christ's sacrifice, you are choosing to ignore it, therefore you have made your decision.

What makes you think I chose to ignore it?

 

[rstrats]

Yup, completely undeserved death, followed by resurrection. What's your point?

You said that the supreme being paid the penalty for sin.

I asked you exactly what was the penalty that was paid that would otherwise have to be paid by us?

You said that it was death.

Since the Messiah was dead for 3 days and 3 nights, I assumed you were saying that the penalty to be paid was to be dead for that period of time.

 

[ding]

I am merely pointing out that God is just and does not treat sin like something to be ignored. Do you acknowledge that God is just?

Sure. God is every extant attribute of reality which is why things like justice exist in the first place. Justice is an extant attribute of reality.

 

[ding]

I don't speak for Him, but I can read His Word where He tells me these things.

Did God write those words or did men write those words?

 

[forkintheroad7]

The reason he was crucified is because of his proclamation to all that sins are forgiven;

I believe he was murdered for making himself equal to God, as the murderers called it

 

[surada]

Mary is mentioned in Revelation, though not by name. In Revelation it speaks of the Birth of Christ and the woman who had to go into the desert.

But other than that, I don't want to get into end times stuff. That is not exactly my forte. Also, it is off topic somewhat

Cyrus Scofield wasn't a Catholic. He was a felon, forger and defrocked lawyer.

 

[gtopa1]

Find the scripture where Christ says, "Pray to the Father and my mom"...

Wedding feast of Cana!! lol

Greg

 

[rstrats]

Wedding feast of Cana!! lol

Greg

I don't see the connection, what do you have in mind?

 

[Meriweather]

I don't see the connection, what do you have in mind?

I don't know what Greg had in mind. But if we consider the account, who told Mary the wine was running short? Who then brought this problem to Jesus? Why wasn't Mary bypassed and the problem taken directly to Jesus? Whoever brought the matter to Mary's attention must have trusted that Mary might have an idea or two on how to solve it.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Wedding feast of Cana!! lol

Greg

Jesus never told anyone to pray to His mom, or any other human.

 

[Meriweather]

Jesus never told anyone to pray to His mom, or any other human.

Are we allowed to talk to his mom or any other human?

 

[surada]

As for Immanuel, "God is with us", Isaiah might mean simply that any young pregnant woman in 734 BCE would be able to name her child "God is with us" by the time he is born; but if a specific child is meant, then it might be a son of Ahaz, possibly his successor Hezekiah (which is the traditional Jewish understanding)

 

[The Irish Ram]

Are we allowed to talk to his mom or any other human?

Yes, if they are alive. Communing with the dead? No.
We've been down this road before, and the same scripture applies today just like it did yesterday.

Deuteronomy 18:9-14 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead.​

We have one mediator:

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.​

 

[Meriweather]

Yes, if they are alive. Communing with the dead? No.
We've been down this road before, and the same scripture applies today just like it did yesterday.

Deuteronomy 18:9-14 “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead.​

We have one mediator:

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.​

Neither scripture has anything to do with the Body of Christ in full communion with God. God is God of the living, and the living are all parts of the body. Consider what Paul says about the body: Does one part tell another that part is not needed? Then, should any member of the Body of Christ claim another member is not needed?

If you have no wish to talk to any member of the Body of Christ, then that is your personal call. It is beyond the pale to declare to other members of the Body of Christ they are not allowed to talk anyone other than Christ.