Catholicism keeps me sane in a crazy world

[LittleNipper]

I've read the book, went to a Catholic private school run by priests, catechism classes... I never saw a connection to god through that book, because it doesn't make any sense, given what science has taught us.

The Bible is not a science book. Nor is science a book of morals, philosophies, or history. Reading the Bible as a Science Book will get you about as far as reading a novel as a math book.

The Bible is not a science book; however, its observations are true. The Bible is not a history book, and yet the events recorded are as they occurred. The Bible is a spiritual book and explains what is wrong with humanity and our relationship with our Creator and why. The Bible is a love story that explains what GOD did in order to save whosoever will believe in HIM.

"the events recorded are as they occurred", so where's the geologic proof for the worldwide flood?

Science | AAAS

advances.sciencemag.org

It was actually a worldwide climate disruption that affected weather patterns and caused extensive flooding around the globe.

It didn't cause a 40 days worldwide flood. And given the number of species around today, no boat would have been big enough to carry them all... otherwise you need evolution.

The animals were selected as KINDS. And GOD only sent to Noah those creatures that were land animals. So, there were no aquatic creatures upon the Ark. This greatly reduces the number of animals you might think Noah needed upon the Ark. I do not believe that all species are in fact entirely different within a KIND. There are dog kinds, cat kinds, cattle kind... This would again greatly reduce the numbers of animals required on the ark even more. The diversity occurred after the FLOOD --- but only within KINDS. The Bible isn't specific as to what a KIND is; however, I can imagine that breeding within each KIND was unrestricted and fruitful. Did Noah need a pair of "Woolly Mammoths", a pair of "African" Elephants, and a pair of "Indian" Elephants? Or did Noah only need a pair of Elephants ---- which comprised the DNA for every possible KIND of elephant? I do believe that every organism is unique in some way. Yet, I also believe that uniqueness has been limited by GOD by the KIND into which GOD assigned each and every organism. Look at man. There are red, yellow, black, brown, and white men. There are hairy men, bald men, tall men, short men, big headed men, broad chested men, skinny men, muscular men, big nose men, fine featured men, chiseled chin men, una-eyebrow men, straight haired men, curly haired men, blond haired men, black haired men, brunette haired men, red haired men, heavy men, thin men, intelligent men, and thoughtful men, creative men, imaginative men, athletic men, artistic men, and more. And yet with all this diversity, we originated from the Adam and Eve KIND. I believe you think narrowly as you do because you have been limited by the scope of your humanistic, atheistic, hedonistic, materialistic education experience. Your scope of thinking is limited by a theory that rejects a proactive Creator and needs greater and greater eons of time to fabricate everything from nothing. You don't think outside the box because you have been told exactly what the box must contain and exclude. You may think a Christian is limited by his belief in GOD. But in reality, the Christian will (throughout all eternity) continue to discover more and more about GOD and never run out of new revelations. Whereas the atheist has thrown out the essence of what eternity entails.

 

[zaangalewa]

... He's going to have to answer my questions. Do you think I'd get straight answers? Or would he hand me a book of fiction?

The answer to your not really existing question is simple: You will die - within the next seconds or the next decades. And do you think you will see His eye smiling, when you try to come "home" into the inferno of your current life, where you continously hurt everyone who tries to speak with you as if you would be a normal human being like everyone else, Nazi? Your only hope is that there is no life after your death - but no one is able to give you a guarantee that this will be so for you.

Shut your oven door, you loud mouthed imbecile.

I fear you will have to die to find out whether you live or not, Nazi.

If I die, that would be a "not". Jackass.

no comment

 

[Taz]

i left Catholicism when in catacism class when i asked if i should bring a bible the priest said no....i will tell you everything you need to know.....and then danced around questions....

Yeah, I'm a recovering Catholic myself.

¿Recovering?

Growing up in Boston, Sunday School was pretty much a requirement. I still went to church a lot in my late teens and early 20s when I moved out, but when I started logically questioning everything I had been told throughout my childhood I began to realize how little sense it really made.

Any concrete example what you was logically questioning and which conclusion brought you in this context to the result that your catholic education was nearly senseless for you?

.

Any concrete example what you was logically questioning and which conclusion brought you in this context to the result that your catholic education was nearly senseless for you?

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the realization people have when they recognize the bible is not only a book of forgeries and fallacies but an underlying work of deliberate deception.

Then it's perhaps the best for you to throw the bible into the next waste paper basket. It seems not to be able to help you to read textes when you are the same time convinced this textes are written on the intention to produce a deception.

I once found a bible at my house. I had no idea how it got there. So I threw it out.

God put it there.

Instead of send me a book (which is a dumb concept), why doesn't he just explain the whole thing to me personally?

He will explain it to you if you read His book and ask Him to reveal its understanding to you. I assume you do read? GOD certainly placed you in a society that encourages reading and teaches it. If you are not willing to read what GOD reveals, why would you even take the time to listen to Him --- it He spoke to you?

I've read the bible, went to sunday school, went to a private school run by priests, had catechism classes, the whole 9 yards, and the more I delved into the bible, the less it makes sense. God needs to explain himself to me why he doesn't have a better system to prove himself to unbelievers.

You must have slept through it.

You have no way to get in touch with god, so stfu.

Sure I do. His Spirit is within me at all times. Same as for you, dummy.

Pretend doesn't count. Jerkoff.

Why so angry, Taz?

God's spirit is literally inside you right now.

I know you can’t prove that.

If you want to act like a retard about this I am more than willing to let you believe that large asteroid impacts do not alter the earth's climate.

An asteroid didn’t cause a 40 day worldwide flood. Everyone knows that. Don’t you?

Again... if you want to believe that giant asteroids strikes don't alter climate or weather patterns...

Quote me where I said that.

40 day floods (which is allegory) is less than a climate change, Timmy.

Does mommy have your name pinned on your sleeve?

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There is no record of such climate change in the period of the bible. Plus, it says 40 day worldwide flood, of which there is also no evidence. Man, you god people sure are idiots.

 

[Taz]

i left Catholicism when in catacism class when i asked if i should bring a bible the priest said no....i will tell you everything you need to know.....and then danced around questions....

Yeah, I'm a recovering Catholic myself.

¿Recovering?

Growing up in Boston, Sunday School was pretty much a requirement. I still went to church a lot in my late teens and early 20s when I moved out, but when I started logically questioning everything I had been told throughout my childhood I began to realize how little sense it really made.

Any concrete example what you was logically questioning and which conclusion brought you in this context to the result that your catholic education was nearly senseless for you?

.

Any concrete example what you was logically questioning and which conclusion brought you in this context to the result that your catholic education was nearly senseless for you?

.
the realization people have when they recognize the bible is not only a book of forgeries and fallacies but an underlying work of deliberate deception.

Then it's perhaps the best for you to throw the bible into the next waste paper basket. It seems not to be able to help you to read textes when you are the same time convinced this textes are written on the intention to produce a deception.

I once found a bible at my house. I had no idea how it got there. So I threw it out.

God put it there.

Instead of send me a book (which is a dumb concept), why doesn't he just explain the whole thing to me personally?

You just simple don't listen, that's all.

Instead of send me a book (which is a dumb concept), why doesn't he just explain the whole thing to me personally?

Had you read the book, you would have seen the passage where God's law is written on everyone's heart. The Bible is more people interacting with God's laws and what they learned from living the laws of God (or not living the laws of God). Commentary.

I've read the book, went to a Catholic private school run by priests, catechism classes... I never saw a connection to god through that book, because it doesn't make any sense, given what science has taught us.

You never had anything to do with Catholics. We love philosophy and science. Science is "supergeil"(=supergay).

Go back to your oven you idiot, and close the door behind you.

You know since a long time very well, Nazi, that I am a German with also Jewish ancestors. So what you say here is in reality not covered from the value "to say ones own free opinion" - what you say here is a crime, which is similar to personal injury and stalking, Nazi. And if I am right then god will ask you one day something - and then I'm really interested how you like to explain god what you are doing on what reason.

God's first going to have to explain to ME why he makes deformed and retarded babies who live in constant pain. And why he let the Holocaust happen. Does he not like Jews either?

GOD allows deformed and challenged babies to exist so that HE might save those which are lost. IF GOD changed history for them, HE would also be changing history for everyone else. The direct result would be that various people would never exist and have the ability to choose to be saved and live with GOD forever. Look at your very own family tree, and I would assume that there were both good and bad people, healthy and sickly people, plus intelligent and stupid people. All of them played a part in Y-O-U-R eventual existence. With OUT them you would not ever have existed. And such individuals also influence how other individual interact with each other. A dying baby or elderly grandparent --- awakens within those around his or her own mortality. And there is that moment of opportunity to reflect on why we are here and where we are headed. I would recommend everyone see a good presentation of OUR TOWN by Thornton Wilder. It can be a very deep thought provoking experience, with some lightheartedness, and yet some very uncomfortable observations. And yet without this tension, the play wouldn't be of any real value... And this is precisely what GOD allows for our best interest at heart. Yet, there will be those who will miss the boat, but the those who get on will be in for a wonderful treat. What Satan intended to destroy, GOD had a plan.

That's just scapegoating evil deeds by your god with some convoluted story that really went nowhere.

GOD is not evil and doesn't do what is evil. GOD is just. The person who rejects GOD's salvation will be separated from GOD by his own choice. That is not what GOD intends.

God has deformed and suffering babies in his realm, and it's god's fault, nobody else. Making up a story to blame man is total BULLSHIT.

 

[Moonglow]

The world is crazy, but I know the answers to the most important questions, and that keeps me from going insane.

“But I don’t want to go among mad people," Alice remarked.
"Oh, you can’t help that," said the Cat: "we’re all mad here. I’m mad. You’re mad."
"How do you know I’m mad?" said Alice.
"You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn’t have come here.”
― Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland

 

[Taz]

I've read the book, went to a Catholic private school run by priests, catechism classes... I never saw a connection to god through that book, because it doesn't make any sense, given what science has taught us.

The Bible is not a science book. Nor is science a book of morals, philosophies, or history. Reading the Bible as a Science Book will get you about as far as reading a novel as a math book.

The Bible is not a science book; however, its observations are true. The Bible is not a history book, and yet the events recorded are as they occurred. The Bible is a spiritual book and explains what is wrong with humanity and our relationship with our Creator and why. The Bible is a love story that explains what GOD did in order to save whosoever will believe in HIM.

"the events recorded are as they occurred", so where's the geologic proof for the worldwide flood?

Science | AAAS

advances.sciencemag.org

It was actually a worldwide climate disruption that affected weather patterns and caused extensive flooding around the globe.

It didn't cause a 40 days worldwide flood. And given the number of species around today, no boat would have been big enough to carry them all... otherwise you need evolution.

The animals were selected as KINDS. And GOD only sent to Noah those creatures that were land animals. So, there were no aquatic creatures upon the Ark. This greatly reduces the number of animals you might think Noah needed upon the Ark. I do not believe that all species are in fact entirely different within a KIND. There are dog kinds, cat kinds, cattle kind... This would again greatly reduce the numbers of animals required on the ark even more. The diversity occurred after the FLOOD --- but only within KINDS. The Bible isn't specific as to what a KIND is; however, I can imagine that breeding within each KIND was unrestricted and fruitful. Did Noah need a pair of "Woolly Mammoths", a pair of "African" Elephants, and a pair of "Indian" Elephants? Or did Noah only need a pair of Elephants ---- which comprised the DNA for every possible KIND of elephant? I do believe that every organism is unique in some way. Yet, I also believe that uniqueness has been limited by GOD by the KIND into which GOD assigned each and every organism. Look at man. There are red, yellow, black, brown, and white men. There are hairy men, bald men, tall men, short men, big headed men, broad chested men, skinny men, muscular men, big nose men, fine featured men, chiseled chin men, una-eyebrow men, straight haired men, curly haired men, blond haired men, black haired men, brunette haired men, red haired men, heavy men, thin men, intelligent men, and thoughtful men, creative men, imaginative men, athletic men, artistic men, and more. And yet with all this diversity, we originated from the Adam and Eve KIND. I believe you think narrowly as you do because you have been limited by the scope of your humanistic, atheistic, hedonistic, materialistic education experience. Your scope of thinking is limited by a theory that rejects a proactive Creator and needs greater and greater eons of time to fabricate everything from nothing. You don't think outside the box because you have been told exactly what the box must contain and exclude. You may think a Christian is limited by his belief in GOD. But in reality, the Christian will (throughout all eternity) continue to discover more and more about GOD and never run out of new revelations. Whereas the atheist has thrown out the essence of what eternity entails.

So evolution happened after the flood. When was this flood, 6000 years ago? Then evolution works VERY fast?

 

[TheParser]

The world is crazy, but I know the answers to the most important questions, and that keeps me from going insane.

I do not believe in "God,"

In light of so much human suffering, to believe that "God" exists is insulting to me.

BUT I envy your Roman Catholic beliefs.

It must be very consoling, indeed, to go to mass, believe in saints, revere relics, interact with priests & nuns, etc.

I am very happy that you have found peace in the Catholic Church.

 

[Taz]

The world is crazy, but I know the answers to the most important questions, and that keeps me from going insane.

I do not believe in "God,"

In light of so much human suffering, to believe that "God" exists is insulting to me.

BUT I envy your Roman Catholic beliefs.

It must be very consoling, indeed, to go to mass, believe in saints, revere relics, interact with priests & nuns, etc.

I am very happy that you have found peace in the Catholic Church.

rook is living in a fantasy world because the real world is too scary for him/her.

 

[ding]

i left Catholicism when in catacism class when i asked if i should bring a bible the priest said no....i will tell you everything you need to know.....and then danced around questions....

Yeah, I'm a recovering Catholic myself.

¿Recovering?

Growing up in Boston, Sunday School was pretty much a requirement. I still went to church a lot in my late teens and early 20s when I moved out, but when I started logically questioning everything I had been told throughout my childhood I began to realize how little sense it really made.

Any concrete example what you was logically questioning and which conclusion brought you in this context to the result that your catholic education was nearly senseless for you?

.

Any concrete example what you was logically questioning and which conclusion brought you in this context to the result that your catholic education was nearly senseless for you?

.
the realization people have when they recognize the bible is not only a book of forgeries and fallacies but an underlying work of deliberate deception.

Then it's perhaps the best for you to throw the bible into the next waste paper basket. It seems not to be able to help you to read textes when you are the same time convinced this textes are written on the intention to produce a deception.

I once found a bible at my house. I had no idea how it got there. So I threw it out.

God put it there.

Instead of send me a book (which is a dumb concept), why doesn't he just explain the whole thing to me personally?

He will explain it to you if you read His book and ask Him to reveal its understanding to you. I assume you do read? GOD certainly placed you in a society that encourages reading and teaches it. If you are not willing to read what GOD reveals, why would you even take the time to listen to Him --- it He spoke to you?

I've read the bible, went to sunday school, went to a private school run by priests, had catechism classes, the whole 9 yards, and the more I delved into the bible, the less it makes sense. God needs to explain himself to me why he doesn't have a better system to prove himself to unbelievers.

You must have slept through it.

You have no way to get in touch with god, so stfu.

Sure I do. His Spirit is within me at all times. Same as for you, dummy.

Pretend doesn't count. Jerkoff.

Why so angry, Taz?

God's spirit is literally inside you right now.

I know you can’t prove that.

If you want to act like a retard about this I am more than willing to let you believe that large asteroid impacts do not alter the earth's climate.

An asteroid didn’t cause a 40 day worldwide flood. Everyone knows that. Don’t you?

Again... if you want to believe that giant asteroids strikes don't alter climate or weather patterns...

Quote me where I said that.

40 day floods (which is allegory) is less than a climate change, Timmy.

Does mommy have your name pinned on your sleeve?

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There is no record of such climate change in the period of the bible. Plus, it says 40 day worldwide flood, of which there is also no evidence. Man, you god people sure are idiots.

It drives you crazy that the ancient legends of a flood that all cultures have actually has a basis in science, doesn't it?

 

[ding]

evolution works VERY fast

It's called punctuated equilibrium, Timmy, and yes, it is faster than was originally believed.

 

[Taz]

It drives you crazy that the ancient legends of a flood that all cultures have actually has a basis in science, doesn't it?

The bible says 40 day worldwide flood. No evidence for that. Do other cultures call it a 40 day worldwide flood?

 

[Taz]

evolution works VERY fast

It's called punctuated equilibrium, Timmy, and yes, it is faster than was originally believed.

People from 200 years ago were shorter, so we've evolved over a foot taller in that time.

 

[Meriweather]

bible says 40 day

Idiom. The Bible uses the term over 140 times. It means a period of trial or testing.

 

[ding]

It drives you crazy that the ancient legends of a flood that all cultures have actually has a basis in science, doesn't it?

The bible says 40 day worldwide flood. No evidence for that. Do other cultures call it a 40 day worldwide flood?

So you read it literally. Got it, Timmy.

 

[ding]

evolution works VERY fast

It's called punctuated equilibrium, Timmy, and yes, it is faster than was originally believed.

People from 200 years ago were shorter, so we've evolved over a foot taller in that time.

Not quite what punctuated equilibrium is about, but you keep trying, Timmy.

 

[Taz]

bible says 40 day

Idiom. The Bible uses the term over 140 times. It means a period of trial or testing.

So you're a goalpost mover as well. If that's what they meant, why didn't they write that?

 

[ding]

Poor Timmy.

 

[Meriweather]

So you're a goalpost mover as well. If that's what they meant, why didn't they write that?

Ever refer to something easy as a "piece of cake"?

 

[LittleNipper]

i left Catholicism when in catacism class when i asked if i should bring a bible the priest said no....i will tell you everything you need to know.....and then danced around questions....

Yeah, I'm a recovering Catholic myself.

¿Recovering?

Growing up in Boston, Sunday School was pretty much a requirement. I still went to church a lot in my late teens and early 20s when I moved out, but when I started logically questioning everything I had been told throughout my childhood I began to realize how little sense it really made.

Any concrete example what you was logically questioning and which conclusion brought you in this context to the result that your catholic education was nearly senseless for you?

.

Any concrete example what you was logically questioning and which conclusion brought you in this context to the result that your catholic education was nearly senseless for you?

.
the realization people have when they recognize the bible is not only a book of forgeries and fallacies but an underlying work of deliberate deception.

Then it's perhaps the best for you to throw the bible into the next waste paper basket. It seems not to be able to help you to read textes when you are the same time convinced this textes are written on the intention to produce a deception.

I once found a bible at my house. I had no idea how it got there. So I threw it out.

God put it there.

Instead of send me a book (which is a dumb concept), why doesn't he just explain the whole thing to me personally?

He will explain it to you if you read His book and ask Him to reveal its understanding to you. I assume you do read? GOD certainly placed you in a society that encourages reading and teaches it. If you are not willing to read what GOD reveals, why would you even take the time to listen to Him --- it He spoke to you?

I've read the bible, went to sunday school, went to a private school run by priests, had catechism classes, the whole 9 yards, and the more I delved into the bible, the less it makes sense. God needs to explain himself to me why he doesn't have a better system to prove himself to unbelievers.

You must have slept through it.

You have no way to get in touch with god, so stfu.

Sure I do. His Spirit is within me at all times. Same as for you, dummy.

Pretend doesn't count. Jerkoff.

Why so angry, Taz?

God's spirit is literally inside you right now.

I know you can’t prove that.

If you want to act like a retard about this I am more than willing to let you believe that large asteroid impacts do not alter the earth's climate.

An asteroid didn’t cause a 40 day worldwide flood. Everyone knows that. Don’t you?

Again... if you want to believe that giant asteroids strikes don't alter climate or weather patterns...

Quote me where I said that.

40 day floods (which is allegory) is less than a climate change, Timmy.

Does mommy have your name pinned on your sleeve?

View attachment 402685

There is no record of such climate change in the period of the bible. Plus, it says 40 day worldwide flood, of which there is also no evidence. Man, you god people sure are idiots.

The deluge lasted 40 days and nights; however, the waters covered the earth for about 1 year, and the affects of the FLOOD likely influenced weather and plate tectonics for many years afterwards.

 

[BreezeWood]

i left Catholicism when in catacism class when i asked if i should bring a bible the priest said no....i will tell you everything you need to know.....and then danced around questions....

Yeah, I'm a recovering Catholic myself.

¿Recovering?

Growing up in Boston, Sunday School was pretty much a requirement. I still went to church a lot in my late teens and early 20s when I moved out, but when I started logically questioning everything I had been told throughout my childhood I began to realize how little sense it really made.

Any concrete example what you was logically questioning and which conclusion brought you in this context to the result that your catholic education was nearly senseless for you?

.

Any concrete example what you was logically questioning and which conclusion brought you in this context to the result that your catholic education was nearly senseless for you?

.
the realization people have when they recognize the bible is not only a book of forgeries and fallacies but an underlying work of deliberate deception.

Then it's perhaps the best for you to throw the bible into the next waste paper basket. It seems not to be able to help you to read textes when you are the same time convinced this textes are written on the intention to produce a deception.

I once found a bible at my house. I had no idea how it got there. So I threw it out.

God put it there.

Instead of send me a book (which is a dumb concept), why doesn't he just explain the whole thing to me personally?

He will explain it to you if you read His book and ask Him to reveal its understanding to you. I assume you do read? GOD certainly placed you in a society that encourages reading and teaches it. If you are not willing to read what GOD reveals, why would you even take the time to listen to Him --- it He spoke to you?

I've read the bible, went to sunday school, went to a private school run by priests, had catechism classes, the whole 9 yards, and the more I delved into the bible, the less it makes sense. God needs to explain himself to me why he doesn't have a better system to prove himself to unbelievers.

You must have slept through it.

You have no way to get in touch with god, so stfu.

Sure I do. His Spirit is within me at all times. Same as for you, dummy.

Pretend doesn't count. Jerkoff.

Why so angry, Taz?

God's spirit is literally inside you right now.

I know you can’t prove that.

If you want to act like a retard about this I am more than willing to let you believe that large asteroid impacts do not alter the earth's climate.

An asteroid didn’t cause a 40 day worldwide flood. Everyone knows that. Don’t you?

Again... if you want to believe that giant asteroids strikes don't alter climate or weather patterns...

Quote me where I said that.

40 day floods (which is allegory) is less than a climate change, Timmy.

Does mommy have your name pinned on your sleeve?

View attachment 402685

There is no record of such climate change in the period of the bible. Plus, it says 40 day worldwide flood, of which there is also no evidence. Man, you god people sure are idiots.

The deluge lasted 40 days and nights; however, the waters covered the earth for about 1 year, and the affects of the FLOOD likely influenced weather and plate tectonics for many years afterwards.

.

The deluge lasted 40 days and nights; however, the waters covered the earth for about 1 year, and the affects of the FLOOD likely influenced weather and plate tectonics for many years afterwards.

.
your version, proof satan is dead or you believe they survived and who else, who wrote your book. your calling the Almighty a liar.

they were dead - when adam and eve were given their mission to accomplish the same. as the example to follow. triumph over evil.