Catholic univ adds "Queer Peers" mentorship program

[Flopper]

This 'queer peer' program is stupid. It separates gays, rather than including them. They already have a mentoring program that addresses the hurdles that new students face. Someone explain to me why gays need their own program, explain why any hurdles gays encounter can't be handled/addressed within the existing program.

How can you say it's stupid, when you know nothing about it?

It's a specific mentoring program for gay newbies, yes? They already have a mentoring program for newbies that is inclusive. This program is redundant.

You believe that being gay is now a special need. I don't. The more you separate gays (special programs) the more separate they will be.

Going off to college is pretty scary for most kids. It's often the first time they've lived away from home plus there're facing a totally different academic and social environment which is costing more money than they ever dreamed of. For some young people it's much harder than others. Gays, lesbians, transgenders, foreign students, students with addiction problems, disabled students, kids with autism, and many other minorities have special needs.

LGBT students like other minority groups have special needs. First off there's housing. Not everyone will accept an LGBT roommate. Some social organization are very hostile to LGBT students, other tolerate them, and other welcome them. Mentoring programs are a very inexpensive way of helping people with special problems adjust to college.life.

Large universities have dozens of programs and organization to assist minority groups with special needs and problems. The need for these programs has grown with the diversity of college enrollment, sexually, culturally, and ethnically today compared to the mid 20th century. In the 1950's there were 4 males for every female in college and virtually no openly LGBT students. Latino students have increased from 4% to 15%. Foreign students have increased by 300%. Physically or mentally disable students in college in the mid 20th century were a rarely but are common today. Programs for LBGT students are one of many programs for students that have special needs and problems.

Nothing wrong with mentoring programs. But to insinuate that being gay is some kind of special need is ridiculous. Their issues can be addressed within the regular mentoring program, there is no need for a separate program.

A regular mentoring program is designed to help the average student to adjust to college life. I doubt such a program would be of much help to an LGBT student seeking help in finding campus housing, social groups, churches and other organizations that welcome LGBT students. Transgender students face special problems of gender declaration that neither gays nor straights face.

If a university wants a more diverse student population, then support programs that appeal to diverse groups should make the school more appealing to them.

 

[Zoom-boing]

This 'queer peer' program is stupid. It separates gays, rather than including them. They already have a mentoring program that addresses the hurdles that new students face. Someone explain to me why gays need their own program, explain why any hurdles gays encounter can't be handled/addressed within the existing program.

How can you say it's stupid, when you know nothing about it?

It's a specific mentoring program for gay newbies, yes? They already have a mentoring program for newbies that is inclusive. This program is redundant.

You believe that being gay is now a special need. I don't. The more you separate gays (special programs) the more separate they will be.

Going off to college is pretty scary for most kids. It's often the first time they've lived away from home plus there're facing a totally different academic and social environment which is costing more money than they ever dreamed of. For some young people it's much harder than others. Gays, lesbians, transgenders, foreign students, students with addiction problems, disabled students, kids with autism, and many other minorities have special needs.

LGBT students like other minority groups have special needs. First off there's housing. Not everyone will accept an LGBT roommate. Some social organization are very hostile to LGBT students, other tolerate them, and other welcome them. Mentoring programs are a very inexpensive way of helping people with special problems adjust to college.life.

Large universities have dozens of programs and organization to assist minority groups with special needs and problems. The need for these programs has grown with the diversity of college enrollment, sexually, culturally, and ethnically today compared to the mid 20th century. In the 1950's there were 4 males for every female in college and virtually no openly LGBT students. Latino students have increased from 4% to 15%. Foreign students have increased by 300%. Physically or mentally disable students in college in the mid 20th century were a rarely but are common today. Programs for LBGT students are one of many programs for students that have special needs and problems.

Nothing wrong with mentoring programs. But to insinuate that being gay is some kind of special need is ridiculous. Their issues can be addressed within the regular mentoring program, there is no need for a separate program.

A regular mentoring program is designed to help the average student to adjust to college life. I doubt such a program would be of much help to an LGBT student seeking help in finding campus housing, social groups, churches and other organizations that welcome LGBT students. Transgender students face special problems of gender declaration that neither gays nor straights face.

If a university wants a more diverse student population, then support programs that appeal to diverse groups should make the school more appealing to them.

So 'average' students don't experience trouble finding housing due to conflicts/differences/discrimination with others? 'Average' students don't experience trouble finding social groups, and organizations, etc that might welcome them? All students face a wide variety of hurdles their first year in school. A mentoring program already exists to address these hurdles, most of which all newbies have in common. Including gays, etc in the already established mentoring group will help them adjust; a separate program keeps them separate. With few exceptions, an all-inclusive mentoring program is all that's needed. Gays aren't one of those exceptions. yvmv

 

[Flopper]

How can you say it's stupid, when you know nothing about it?

It's a specific mentoring program for gay newbies, yes? They already have a mentoring program for newbies that is inclusive. This program is redundant.

You believe that being gay is now a special need. I don't. The more you separate gays (special programs) the more separate they will be.

Going off to college is pretty scary for most kids. It's often the first time they've lived away from home plus there're facing a totally different academic and social environment which is costing more money than they ever dreamed of. For some young people it's much harder than others. Gays, lesbians, transgenders, foreign students, students with addiction problems, disabled students, kids with autism, and many other minorities have special needs.

LGBT students like other minority groups have special needs. First off there's housing. Not everyone will accept an LGBT roommate. Some social organization are very hostile to LGBT students, other tolerate them, and other welcome them. Mentoring programs are a very inexpensive way of helping people with special problems adjust to college.life.

Large universities have dozens of programs and organization to assist minority groups with special needs and problems. The need for these programs has grown with the diversity of college enrollment, sexually, culturally, and ethnically today compared to the mid 20th century. In the 1950's there were 4 males for every female in college and virtually no openly LGBT students. Latino students have increased from 4% to 15%. Foreign students have increased by 300%. Physically or mentally disable students in college in the mid 20th century were a rarely but are common today. Programs for LBGT students are one of many programs for students that have special needs and problems.

Nothing wrong with mentoring programs. But to insinuate that being gay is some kind of special need is ridiculous. Their issues can be addressed within the regular mentoring program, there is no need for a separate program.

A regular mentoring program is designed to help the average student to adjust to college life. I doubt such a program would be of much help to an LGBT student seeking help in finding campus housing, social groups, churches and other organizations that welcome LGBT students. Transgender students face special problems of gender declaration that neither gays nor straights face.

If a university wants a more diverse student population, then support programs that appeal to diverse groups should make the school more appealing to them.

So 'average' students don't experience trouble finding housing due to conflicts/differences/discrimination with others? 'Average' students don't experience trouble finding social groups, and organizations, etc that might welcome them? All students face a wide variety of hurdles their first year in school. A mentoring program already exists to address these hurdles, most of which all newbies have in common. Including gays, etc in the already established mentoring group will help them adjust; a separate program keeps them separate. With few exceptions, an all-inclusive mentoring program is all that's needed. Gays aren't one of those exceptions. yvmv

If the university wants a more a diverse student population, creating specialized mentoring programs makes sense. A group specializing in problems faced by new LGBT students will certainly be better qualified to help them than just a generalized mentoring program. Question and counseling concerning such topics as what fraternities or sororities are likely to accept a gay person, how can a student find a roommate that will accept a LGBT person, what churches welcome gays, or university policies concerning gender declaration, or university sexual harassment policies. Most mentors dealing with the general population would find counseling students in these areas difficult. Also, many gay, lesbian, or transgender people are not totally open about their sexuality and thus would certainly not discuss these problems outside of a group such as this.

 

[Zoom-boing]

It's a specific mentoring program for gay newbies, yes? They already have a mentoring program for newbies that is inclusive. This program is redundant.

You believe that being gay is now a special need. I don't. The more you separate gays (special programs) the more separate they will be.

Going off to college is pretty scary for most kids. It's often the first time they've lived away from home plus there're facing a totally different academic and social environment which is costing more money than they ever dreamed of. For some young people it's much harder than others. Gays, lesbians, transgenders, foreign students, students with addiction problems, disabled students, kids with autism, and many other minorities have special needs.

LGBT students like other minority groups have special needs. First off there's housing. Not everyone will accept an LGBT roommate. Some social organization are very hostile to LGBT students, other tolerate them, and other welcome them. Mentoring programs are a very inexpensive way of helping people with special problems adjust to college.life.

Large universities have dozens of programs and organization to assist minority groups with special needs and problems. The need for these programs has grown with the diversity of college enrollment, sexually, culturally, and ethnically today compared to the mid 20th century. In the 1950's there were 4 males for every female in college and virtually no openly LGBT students. Latino students have increased from 4% to 15%. Foreign students have increased by 300%. Physically or mentally disable students in college in the mid 20th century were a rarely but are common today. Programs for LBGT students are one of many programs for students that have special needs and problems.

Nothing wrong with mentoring programs. But to insinuate that being gay is some kind of special need is ridiculous. Their issues can be addressed within the regular mentoring program, there is no need for a separate program.

A regular mentoring program is designed to help the average student to adjust to college life. I doubt such a program would be of much help to an LGBT student seeking help in finding campus housing, social groups, churches and other organizations that welcome LGBT students. Transgender students face special problems of gender declaration that neither gays nor straights face.

If a university wants a more diverse student population, then support programs that appeal to diverse groups should make the school more appealing to them.

So 'average' students don't experience trouble finding housing due to conflicts/differences/discrimination with others? 'Average' students don't experience trouble finding social groups, and organizations, etc that might welcome them? All students face a wide variety of hurdles their first year in school. A mentoring program already exists to address these hurdles, most of which all newbies have in common. Including gays, etc in the already established mentoring group will help them adjust; a separate program keeps them separate. With few exceptions, an all-inclusive mentoring program is all that's needed. Gays aren't one of those exceptions. yvmv

If the university wants a more a diverse student population, creating specialized mentoring programs makes sense. A group specializing in problems faced by new LGBT students will certainly be better qualified to help them than a generalized mentoring program. Question and counseling concerning on such topics as what fraternities or sororities are likely to accept a gay person, how can a student find a roommate that will accept a LGBT person, what churches welcome gays, or university policies concerning gender declaration, or university sexual harassment policies. Most mentors dealing with the general population would find counseling students in these areas difficult.

They're keeping them separate, but equal, because of their preference in what they do behind closed doors. But that's ok for so many because after all, gays need special treatment right? --- which is what I posted earlier.

There are just as many newbies with 'special needs' .. where's the fat kid mentoring program, the socially awkward program, the weird newbie program, how about terminally shy, diabetic, or those unable to sing?

Inclusive means everyone. But I see that for many, inclusive is only demanded when it suits.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Equality is so overrated

How will they know how "special" they are if there are no programs to tell them so?

This is why such programs are appropriate, to offset the ignorance and stupidity exhibited in this post that gay Americans confront daily.

 

[The Irish Ram]

I don't care who sleeps with whom and neither should universities. If they want to do something for the student population, teach them math. And science....

 

[Flopper]

Going off to college is pretty scary for most kids. It's often the first time they've lived away from home plus there're facing a totally different academic and social environment which is costing more money than they ever dreamed of. For some young people it's much harder than others. Gays, lesbians, transgenders, foreign students, students with addiction problems, disabled students, kids with autism, and many other minorities have special needs.

LGBT students like other minority groups have special needs. First off there's housing. Not everyone will accept an LGBT roommate. Some social organization are very hostile to LGBT students, other tolerate them, and other welcome them. Mentoring programs are a very inexpensive way of helping people with special problems adjust to college.life.

Large universities have dozens of programs and organization to assist minority groups with special needs and problems. The need for these programs has grown with the diversity of college enrollment, sexually, culturally, and ethnically today compared to the mid 20th century. In the 1950's there were 4 males for every female in college and virtually no openly LGBT students. Latino students have increased from 4% to 15%. Foreign students have increased by 300%. Physically or mentally disable students in college in the mid 20th century were a rarely but are common today. Programs for LBGT students are one of many programs for students that have special needs and problems.

Nothing wrong with mentoring programs. But to insinuate that being gay is some kind of special need is ridiculous. Their issues can be addressed within the regular mentoring program, there is no need for a separate program.

A regular mentoring program is designed to help the average student to adjust to college life. I doubt such a program would be of much help to an LGBT student seeking help in finding campus housing, social groups, churches and other organizations that welcome LGBT students. Transgender students face special problems of gender declaration that neither gays nor straights face.

If a university wants a more diverse student population, then support programs that appeal to diverse groups should make the school more appealing to them.

So 'average' students don't experience trouble finding housing due to conflicts/differences/discrimination with others? 'Average' students don't experience trouble finding social groups, and organizations, etc that might welcome them? All students face a wide variety of hurdles their first year in school. A mentoring program already exists to address these hurdles, most of which all newbies have in common. Including gays, etc in the already established mentoring group will help them adjust; a separate program keeps them separate. With few exceptions, an all-inclusive mentoring program is all that's needed. Gays aren't one of those exceptions. yvmv

If the university wants a more a diverse student population, creating specialized mentoring programs makes sense. A group specializing in problems faced by new LGBT students will certainly be better qualified to help them than a generalized mentoring program. Question and counseling concerning on such topics as what fraternities or sororities are likely to accept a gay person, how can a student find a roommate that will accept a LGBT person, what churches welcome gays, or university policies concerning gender declaration, or university sexual harassment policies. Most mentors dealing with the general population would find counseling students in these areas difficult.

They're keeping them separate, but equal, because of their preference in what they do behind closed doors. But that's ok for so many because after all, gays need special treatment right? --- which is what I posted earlier.

There are just as many newbies with 'special needs' .. where's the fat kid mentoring program, the socially awkward program, the weird newbie program, how about terminally shy, diabetic, or those unable to sing?

Inclusive means everyone. But I see that for many, inclusive is only demanded when it suits.

Seeking equal treatment in some areas does not preclude the seeking of special treatment in others. They are not mutually exclusive. The disabled seek equal treatment in most aspects of society but they also seek special treatment in regard to facilities for the the disabled. Women sought and attained equal rights in voting booth and the workplace but they are also granted special treatment such in sexual harassment issues, the rape shield law, selective service registration, and child bearing. In fact, everyone seeks both equal and special treatment depending on the issue. Taking a position that a person that seeks equal treatment in some aspects of life is not entitled to any special treatment makes no sense at all.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

Gays want to be treated like everyone else, so the school forms a mentoring program specifically for gays.

<blink, blink>

Why don't they just form a mentoring program for all newbies, one that anyone is free to join?

More proof that the diversity meme is just bullshit babble for special treatment.

Educational institutions have always had special programs to help various groups acclimate to the environment. There are programs for foreign language students and students with disabilities. The purpose of these programs are to help students integrate into university life so they can be treated like everyone else.

This school already has a mentoring program to help newbies. Gays do not have a language barrier. Being gay isn't a disability (well, not yet ... give it time). So? Why the hell do gays need a special program when there's already a mentoring program in place for all? Aren't we suppose to stop making a big deal out of someone being gay? Yes, a special program just for gays will accomplish this.

Like I said, it's bullshit that equality is the stated end-game; special treatment is.

Gays seek an advantage in many places today, and they got it.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

The general mentor thing wouldn't be of value to gay students if the mentor isn't gay is the point.

Then they are already isolating themselves.

 

[QuickHitCurepon]

How can you say it's stupid, when you know nothing about it?

It's a specific mentoring program for gay newbies, yes? They already have a mentoring program for newbies that is inclusive. This program is redundant.

You believe that being gay is now a special need. I don't. The more you separate gays (special programs) the more separate they will be.

Going off to college is pretty scary for most kids. It's often the first time they've lived away from home plus there're facing a totally different academic and social environment which is costing more money than they ever dreamed of. For some young people it's much harder than others. Gays, lesbians, transgenders, foreign students, students with addiction problems, disabled students, kids with autism, and many other minorities have special needs.

LGBT students like other minority groups have special needs. First off there's housing. Not everyone will accept an LGBT roommate. Some social organization are very hostile to LGBT students, other tolerate them, and other welcome them. Mentoring programs are a very inexpensive way of helping people with special problems adjust to college.life.

Large universities have dozens of programs and organization to assist minority groups with special needs and problems. The need for these programs has grown with the diversity of college enrollment, sexually, culturally, and ethnically today compared to the mid 20th century. In the 1950's there were 4 males for every female in college and virtually no openly LGBT students. Latino students have increased from 4% to 15%. Foreign students have increased by 300%. Physically or mentally disable students in college in the mid 20th century were a rarely but are common today. Programs for LBGT students are one of many programs for students that have special needs and problems.

Nothing wrong with mentoring programs. But to insinuate that being gay is some kind of special need is ridiculous. Their issues can be addressed within the regular mentoring program, there is no need for a separate program.

A regular mentoring program is designed to help the average student to adjust to college life. I doubt such a program would be of much help to an LGBT student seeking help in finding campus housing, social groups, churches and other organizations that welcome LGBT students. Transgender students face special problems of gender declaration that neither gays nor straights face.

If a university wants a more diverse student population, then support programs that appeal to diverse groups should make the school more appealing to them.

So 'average' students don't experience trouble finding housing due to conflicts/differences/discrimination with others? 'Average' students don't experience trouble finding social groups, and organizations, etc that might welcome them? All students face a wide variety of hurdles their first year in school. A mentoring program already exists to address these hurdles, most of which all newbies have in common. Including gays, etc in the already established mentoring group will help them adjust; a separate program keeps them separate. With few exceptions, an all-inclusive mentoring program is all that's needed. Gays aren't one of those exceptions. yvmv

Gays are well-accustomed with being separate.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Nothing wrong with mentoring programs. But to insinuate that being gay is some kind of special need is ridiculous. Their issues can be addressed within the regular mentoring program, there is no need for a separate program.

A regular mentoring program is designed to help the average student to adjust to college life. I doubt such a program would be of much help to an LGBT student seeking help in finding campus housing, social groups, churches and other organizations that welcome LGBT students. Transgender students face special problems of gender declaration that neither gays nor straights face.

If a university wants a more diverse student population, then support programs that appeal to diverse groups should make the school more appealing to them.

So 'average' students don't experience trouble finding housing due to conflicts/differences/discrimination with others? 'Average' students don't experience trouble finding social groups, and organizations, etc that might welcome them? All students face a wide variety of hurdles their first year in school. A mentoring program already exists to address these hurdles, most of which all newbies have in common. Including gays, etc in the already established mentoring group will help them adjust; a separate program keeps them separate. With few exceptions, an all-inclusive mentoring program is all that's needed. Gays aren't one of those exceptions. yvmv

If the university wants a more a diverse student population, creating specialized mentoring programs makes sense. A group specializing in problems faced by new LGBT students will certainly be better qualified to help them than a generalized mentoring program. Question and counseling concerning on such topics as what fraternities or sororities are likely to accept a gay person, how can a student find a roommate that will accept a LGBT person, what churches welcome gays, or university policies concerning gender declaration, or university sexual harassment policies. Most mentors dealing with the general population would find counseling students in these areas difficult.

They're keeping them separate, but equal, because of their preference in what they do behind closed doors. But that's ok for so many because after all, gays need special treatment right? --- which is what I posted earlier.

There are just as many newbies with 'special needs' .. where's the fat kid mentoring program, the socially awkward program, the weird newbie program, how about terminally shy, diabetic, or those unable to sing?

Inclusive means everyone. But I see that for many, inclusive is only demanded when it suits.

Seeking equal treatment in some areas does not preclude the seeking of special treatment in others. They are not mutually exclusive. The disabled seek equal treatment in most aspects of society but they also seek special treatment in regard to facilities for the the disabled. Women sought and attained equal rights in voting booth and the workplace but they are also granted special treatment such in sexual harassment issues, the rape shield law, selective service registration, and child bearing. In fact, everyone seeks both equal and special treatment depending on the issue. Taking a position that a person that seeks equal treatment in some aspects of life is not entitled to any special treatment makes no sense at all.

Disabled people are one of the few exceptions I mentioned. A person in a wheel chair cannot get up a flight of stairs, yes they need special treatment. Men can't be sexually harassed? Men can't be raped? Of course they can so any special treatment for women on this is bs because it can and it does happen to men. Women demand to be treated as equals but nix the ss requirement? Then they don't really want equality do they? Bunch of hypocrites. Men can't bear children, don't know what your point was there.

You just proved my point ... those who scream for 'equality' also demand special treatment. The more special treatment/special programs you have the more you handicap people, keep them in the "oh I can't do this I need a special program" mindset. Gays are not disabled, they are not handicapped, they are not in need of a special program.

I'm done here, we're just going round and round.

 

[Flopper]

A regular mentoring program is designed to help the average student to adjust to college life. I doubt such a program would be of much help to an LGBT student seeking help in finding campus housing, social groups, churches and other organizations that welcome LGBT students. Transgender students face special problems of gender declaration that neither gays nor straights face.

If a university wants a more diverse student population, then support programs that appeal to diverse groups should make the school more appealing to them.

So 'average' students don't experience trouble finding housing due to conflicts/differences/discrimination with others? 'Average' students don't experience trouble finding social groups, and organizations, etc that might welcome them? All students face a wide variety of hurdles their first year in school. A mentoring program already exists to address these hurdles, most of which all newbies have in common. Including gays, etc in the already established mentoring group will help them adjust; a separate program keeps them separate. With few exceptions, an all-inclusive mentoring program is all that's needed. Gays aren't one of those exceptions. yvmv

If the university wants a more a diverse student population, creating specialized mentoring programs makes sense. A group specializing in problems faced by new LGBT students will certainly be better qualified to help them than a generalized mentoring program. Question and counseling concerning on such topics as what fraternities or sororities are likely to accept a gay person, how can a student find a roommate that will accept a LGBT person, what churches welcome gays, or university policies concerning gender declaration, or university sexual harassment policies. Most mentors dealing with the general population would find counseling students in these areas difficult.

They're keeping them separate, but equal, because of their preference in what they do behind closed doors. But that's ok for so many because after all, gays need special treatment right? --- which is what I posted earlier.

There are just as many newbies with 'special needs' .. where's the fat kid mentoring program, the socially awkward program, the weird newbie program, how about terminally shy, diabetic, or those unable to sing?

Inclusive means everyone. But I see that for many, inclusive is only demanded when it suits.

Seeking equal treatment in some areas does not preclude the seeking of special treatment in others. They are not mutually exclusive. The disabled seek equal treatment in most aspects of society but they also seek special treatment in regard to facilities for the the disabled. Women sought and attained equal rights in voting booth and the workplace but they are also granted special treatment such in sexual harassment issues, the rape shield law, selective service registration, and child bearing. In fact, everyone seeks both equal and special treatment depending on the issue. Taking a position that a person that seeks equal treatment in some aspects of life is not entitled to any special treatment makes no sense at all.

Disabled people are one of the few exceptions I mentioned. A person in a wheel chair cannot get up a flight of stairs, yes they need special treatment. Men can't be sexually harassed? Men can't be raped? Of course they can so any special treatment for women on this is bs because it can and it does happen to men. Women demand to be treated as equals but nix the ss requirement? Then they don't really want equality do they? Bunch of hypocrites. Men can't bear children, don't know what your point was there.

You just proved my point ... those who scream for 'equality' also demand special treatment. The more special treatment/special programs you have the more you handicap people, keep them in the "oh I can't do this I need a special program" mindset. Gays are not disabled, they are not handicapped, they are not in need of a special program.

I'm done here, we're just going round and round.

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