Capitalism/Neo-Conservativism/Neo-Liberalism vs. Socialism or Democratic Socialism

[francoHFW]

Do you think Democratic Socialism will always fail and Capitalism is always better or you think there is a inbetween position. I think positive of democratic socialism is welfare for the broad masses. There really arent any homeless in Austria like in America, there arent people who need to beg for donations to get a life important surgery etc. But the negative thing is the mass immigration which is huge cost, but I think in a small homogenous country it can work, where also the citizens are law abiding and disciplined and hard working but if there are many who have mentality they dont want to work but to leech it can get difficult. Also I think capitalism is based on one owns gaining of profit and aggravation of capital, but you cant eat capital, and there needs to be a limit, there needs to be other values driving our societies except ones own profit. so there needs to be some regulations in my opinion. Otherwise I support right to private property etc. and right to start and run a business etc . but with some regulations. Im not communist, Im democratic socialist.

You high?

(He's Serbian, ugly American dingbat) You duped? Arguing with GOP BS dupes on this subject never works- They can't keep communism and socialism apart...

 

[francoHFW]

Lots of things in the manifesto didn't work out lol. The whole world called them communists. What do you call them lol? You're just being a pain. What do you call the system in Scandinavia? Ay caramba.

Taxes are not stealing. It's the price of citizenship. Let the poor suffer? Enjoy hell.

Of course they didn't, Socialism inherently cannot work, the key components prevent it from functioning. Carl Marx defined Communism, and unless a Nation fits the definition, it's not Communism. In fact, the USSR fits EVERY component of the definition for Socialism as described by Carl Marx. If it fulfills every criteria, then it's obviously Socialism.

Then what would you call taking someone's position against their will? Hmm?

Nobody is obligated to help someone in need, it's called free will. When the government takes someone's money and gives it to someone, regardless of how well off they are, it's thievery. Socialism by definition advocates thievery. In a Capitalist society, everyone has equal opportunity to succeed, and if someone doesn't, it's on them. Everyone also has equal opportunity to recover from their mess-ups, and if they don't that's also on them. This is the real world, nobody is obligated to help, and nobody should be forced to.

The gov't of the old EU, NZ, and Canada etc etc work great. That's socialism, and it works fine. You appear to be a barbarian lol. The way a society takes care for their unfortunate is how they are judged. You will be too. New BS GOP idiocy, that makes you a perfect dupe of the greedy idiot rich a-holle GOP...The world has changed since Karl Marx, dupe.

You obviously don't know what Socialism is if you're labeling Canada as such. Their industry is all privately owned, and Socialism by definition has all private industry owned by the government. Besides that, Canada ALSO has a worse economy than the United States, and their Healthcare system was so bad, until we destroyed ours, that they were actually coming to the US for OUR healthcare system.

As I stated earlier, New Zealand also has a worse economy than the United States, and the other Nordic Nations that supposedly have a working Socialist system ALSO have worse economies and are also working back towards Capitalism, because even they realize it doesn't work. I'm legitimately surprised, because usually Socialists aren't intelligent enough to learn from failures.

You see, I don't care how other Nations judge us, especially if they use your shallow perspective. "Oh, they let their people take care of themselves instead of babysitting them. How barbaric!". If these adult human beings can't take care of themselves, that's their own fault. A capitalist society is equal opportunity, and if they have no ambition or motivation, then it's their own fault that they fail, and others shouldn't be dragged down for their benefit. In a Socialist society, there's no incentive to take care of yourself, because the government does it for you, and that's one of the key reasons the ideology is worthless. Socialists make the assumption that human beings are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves, and the fact is that if that is correct, then they don't deserve to live.

Sure, the world has changed, but economics hasn't. Economics will always be the same, and the constant failures of the Socialists will always be a reminder of that: Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

That's COMMUNISM, dingbat, outside your tiny bubble. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic. Since about 1935, when the USSR was unmasked. The GOP loves you being a confused twit.

Communism doesn't exist. Again, Communism is a system with no government, no currency, and no social classes. None of those on the list fit the description. It's all socialism. The fact that you referred to every single failure as Communism only proves my point that Socialists are misusing the word to distance themselves from their failures, and the fact that you called Canada Socialist despite them lacking the components to be considered Socialist proves my point that you'll STRETCH the meaning in order to take credit for only the supposed "Successes". In doing so, you've only proven that you have no idea what Socialism is, and you have no idea what Communism is.

Communism's components are; Common ownership of the means of production and the absence of Social Classes, Money, and the State. In other words, completely equal society in every way imaginable. This system is impossible to implement, therefor Communists do not exist, and Communism is a system that has never been implemented and will never be implemented. Maybe THIS time it'll get through your thick skull.

Socialism's components are; Social control of the means of production and equity. A component shared among all of the Nations listed. Because they all implemented those components, they are therefor defined as Socialist. The fact that all of the above Socialist Nations failed does not change the fact that they are TEXTBOOK implementations of Socialist ideology and the components of Socialism. If you didn't want your ideology's historical failures to be pointed out every time you advocated it, you should have picked an Ideology that actually works.

Duped out of all connection to reality. Communism is the USSR and Cuba, etc. Socialism is Sweden, France, and even the USA with ACA, but we're a scumbag pander to the rich GOP oligarchy at this point, dupe. You RW militia? lol

 

[Manonthestreet]

Socialists all over the world are giving their countries and their its wealth to strangers at such an alarming rate almost half feel like strangers in their own land and they have no money to buy weapons for ships they have built.....sounds wonderful

WTH?

See the EU....

 

[francoHFW]

Socialists all over the world are giving their countries and their its wealth to strangers at such an alarming rate almost half feel like strangers in their own land and they have no money to buy weapons for ships they have built.....sounds wonderful

WTH?

See the EU....

The EU is fine until a GOPer like W wrecks the world economy or the ME. What strangers?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Is this another of your attempts at a paean to Stalin's BFF, Franklin Roosevelt?

No it's simple history of the United States.

Sigh.....seems I have to teach you again.

As Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:

To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/taxes/ustax.shtml
http://www.founding.com/founders_library/pageID.2190/default.asp


It only remains to see if you are so dense that light bends around you.

"Private charities, as well as contributions to public purposes in proportion to every one's circumstances are certainly among the duties we owe to society." Jefferson

"Lliberty and charity ought to govern in all disputes." G. Washingrton

You need the word 'private' defined for you?
Seriously?

Take a gander at this:
"Americans are world's most charitable, top 1% provide 1/3rd of all donations
Americans are a charitable group, in fact the most generous in the world, according to the new Almanac of American Philanthropy.

The much maligned top 1 percent in the U.S. economy fork over one third of all donations made. Even in death.

"The wealthiest 1.4 percent of Americans are responsible for 86 percent of the charitable donations made at death," said the survey conducted by Public Opinion research."


https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2010&month=01

http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-generosity-of-america/

1. To begin with, charitable giving in America has never been the exclusive province of wealthy people. Throughout our history, Americans from all walks of life have given generously for charitable causes. Indeed, the most generous Americans today—the group that gives the most to charity as a proportion of their income—are the working poor.
2. Today, Americans voluntarily give over $30 billion a year to support higher education, and—thanks in part to philanthropy—America has the best colleges and universities in the world. Even our great flagship state universities depend on private contributions for much of their excellence.
3. Private charitable giving is also at the heart and soul of public discourse in our democracy. It makes possible our great think tanks, whether left, right or center. Name a great issue of public debate today: climate change, the role of government in health care, school choice, stem cell research, same-sex marriage. On all these issues, private philanthropy enriches debate by enabling organizations with diverse viewpoints to articulate and spread their message.
4. We usually hear about charity in the media when there is a terrible disaster. For example, after Hurricane Katrina, we heard about the incredible outpouring of private generosity that amounted to $6 billion. What gets less attention is that Americans routinely give that much to charity every week. Last year Americans gave $300 billion to charity. To put this into perspective, that is almost twice what we spent on consumer electronics equipment—equipment including cell phones, iPods and DVD players. Americans gave three times as much to charity last year as we spent on gambling and ten times as much as we spent on professional sports. America is by far the most charitable country in the world. There is no other country that comes close.

Sound like socialism to you?

Bless the rich that are charitable; bless the government for being charitable.

Are you playing dumb ....or really dumb?

Not 'government charity'....government bribery.

1. ' In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent, more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.
Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient.'
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/88767476


2. Bribery.
Like this:

"81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg"
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg



Only the sort of charity that FDR co-opted changed any of this.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Of course they didn't, Socialism inherently cannot work, the key components prevent it from functioning. Carl Marx defined Communism, and unless a Nation fits the definition, it's not Communism. In fact, the USSR fits EVERY component of the definition for Socialism as described by Carl Marx. If it fulfills every criteria, then it's obviously Socialism.

Then what would you call taking someone's position against their will? Hmm?

Nobody is obligated to help someone in need, it's called free will. When the government takes someone's money and gives it to someone, regardless of how well off they are, it's thievery. Socialism by definition advocates thievery. In a Capitalist society, everyone has equal opportunity to succeed, and if someone doesn't, it's on them. Everyone also has equal opportunity to recover from their mess-ups, and if they don't that's also on them. This is the real world, nobody is obligated to help, and nobody should be forced to.

The gov't of the old EU, NZ, and Canada etc etc work great. That's socialism, and it works fine. You appear to be a barbarian lol. The way a society takes care for their unfortunate is how they are judged. You will be too. New BS GOP idiocy, that makes you a perfect dupe of the greedy idiot rich a-holle GOP...The world has changed since Karl Marx, dupe.

You obviously don't know what Socialism is if you're labeling Canada as such. Their industry is all privately owned, and Socialism by definition has all private industry owned by the government. Besides that, Canada ALSO has a worse economy than the United States, and their Healthcare system was so bad, until we destroyed ours, that they were actually coming to the US for OUR healthcare system.

As I stated earlier, New Zealand also has a worse economy than the United States, and the other Nordic Nations that supposedly have a working Socialist system ALSO have worse economies and are also working back towards Capitalism, because even they realize it doesn't work. I'm legitimately surprised, because usually Socialists aren't intelligent enough to learn from failures.

You see, I don't care how other Nations judge us, especially if they use your shallow perspective. "Oh, they let their people take care of themselves instead of babysitting them. How barbaric!". If these adult human beings can't take care of themselves, that's their own fault. A capitalist society is equal opportunity, and if they have no ambition or motivation, then it's their own fault that they fail, and others shouldn't be dragged down for their benefit. In a Socialist society, there's no incentive to take care of yourself, because the government does it for you, and that's one of the key reasons the ideology is worthless. Socialists make the assumption that human beings are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves, and the fact is that if that is correct, then they don't deserve to live.

Sure, the world has changed, but economics hasn't. Economics will always be the same, and the constant failures of the Socialists will always be a reminder of that: Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

That's COMMUNISM, dingbat, outside your tiny bubble. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic. Since about 1935, when the USSR was unmasked. The GOP loves you being a confused twit.

Communism doesn't exist. Again, Communism is a system with no government, no currency, and no social classes. None of those on the list fit the description. It's all socialism. The fact that you referred to every single failure as Communism only proves my point that Socialists are misusing the word to distance themselves from their failures, and the fact that you called Canada Socialist despite them lacking the components to be considered Socialist proves my point that you'll STRETCH the meaning in order to take credit for only the supposed "Successes". In doing so, you've only proven that you have no idea what Socialism is, and you have no idea what Communism is.

Communism's components are; Common ownership of the means of production and the absence of Social Classes, Money, and the State. In other words, completely equal society in every way imaginable. This system is impossible to implement, therefor Communists do not exist, and Communism is a system that has never been implemented and will never be implemented. Maybe THIS time it'll get through your thick skull.

Socialism's components are; Social control of the means of production and equity. A component shared among all of the Nations listed. Because they all implemented those components, they are therefor defined as Socialist. The fact that all of the above Socialist Nations failed does not change the fact that they are TEXTBOOK implementations of Socialist ideology and the components of Socialism. If you didn't want your ideology's historical failures to be pointed out every time you advocated it, you should have picked an Ideology that actually works.

Duped out of all connection to reality. Communism is the USSR and Cuba, etc. Socialism is Sweden, France, and even the USA with ACA, but we're a scumbag pander to the rich GOP oligarchy at this point, dupe. You RW militia? lol

Of course you say that because that's what the Establishment told you, yet you have no explanation as to HOW they are supposedly "Communist", despite it not lining up with ANY definition. You know who's duped? You. It's clear as day because you can't explain your position, only state that you hold that position, yet I've gone through the definition and the source multiple times. Karl Marx himself defined them that way, and gave explanations as to why, and how those definitions were properly applied. You haven't even given me a single statement to refute my assertions, you've only been repeating yourself. Sad. Absolutely sad and pathetic, Fopdoodle. Perhaps you should go read the Communist Manifesto, so you can understand what Socialism and Communism are. Or maybe you should go cry to your Establishment overlords and let them know that their mindless drones need REASONS for their statements, rather than just statements. They'll then proceed to pat your head and tell you "It's okay. If you repeat something often enough, some people will believe it. Hence you not thinking or questioning, just accepting. Now go, little one, and spread our propaganda to the world."

 

[francoHFW]

The gov't of the old EU, NZ, and Canada etc etc work great. That's socialism, and it works fine. You appear to be a barbarian lol. The way a society takes care for their unfortunate is how they are judged. You will be too. New BS GOP idiocy, that makes you a perfect dupe of the greedy idiot rich a-holle GOP...The world has changed since Karl Marx, dupe.

You obviously don't know what Socialism is if you're labeling Canada as such. Their industry is all privately owned, and Socialism by definition has all private industry owned by the government. Besides that, Canada ALSO has a worse economy than the United States, and their Healthcare system was so bad, until we destroyed ours, that they were actually coming to the US for OUR healthcare system.

As I stated earlier, New Zealand also has a worse economy than the United States, and the other Nordic Nations that supposedly have a working Socialist system ALSO have worse economies and are also working back towards Capitalism, because even they realize it doesn't work. I'm legitimately surprised, because usually Socialists aren't intelligent enough to learn from failures.

You see, I don't care how other Nations judge us, especially if they use your shallow perspective. "Oh, they let their people take care of themselves instead of babysitting them. How barbaric!". If these adult human beings can't take care of themselves, that's their own fault. A capitalist society is equal opportunity, and if they have no ambition or motivation, then it's their own fault that they fail, and others shouldn't be dragged down for their benefit. In a Socialist society, there's no incentive to take care of yourself, because the government does it for you, and that's one of the key reasons the ideology is worthless. Socialists make the assumption that human beings are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves, and the fact is that if that is correct, then they don't deserve to live.

Sure, the world has changed, but economics hasn't. Economics will always be the same, and the constant failures of the Socialists will always be a reminder of that: Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

That's COMMUNISM, dingbat, outside your tiny bubble. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic. Since about 1935, when the USSR was unmasked. The GOP loves you being a confused twit.

Communism doesn't exist. Again, Communism is a system with no government, no currency, and no social classes. None of those on the list fit the description. It's all socialism. The fact that you referred to every single failure as Communism only proves my point that Socialists are misusing the word to distance themselves from their failures, and the fact that you called Canada Socialist despite them lacking the components to be considered Socialist proves my point that you'll STRETCH the meaning in order to take credit for only the supposed "Successes". In doing so, you've only proven that you have no idea what Socialism is, and you have no idea what Communism is.

Communism's components are; Common ownership of the means of production and the absence of Social Classes, Money, and the State. In other words, completely equal society in every way imaginable. This system is impossible to implement, therefor Communists do not exist, and Communism is a system that has never been implemented and will never be implemented. Maybe THIS time it'll get through your thick skull.

Socialism's components are; Social control of the means of production and equity. A component shared among all of the Nations listed. Because they all implemented those components, they are therefor defined as Socialist. The fact that all of the above Socialist Nations failed does not change the fact that they are TEXTBOOK implementations of Socialist ideology and the components of Socialism. If you didn't want your ideology's historical failures to be pointed out every time you advocated it, you should have picked an Ideology that actually works.

Duped out of all connection to reality. Communism is the USSR and Cuba, etc. Socialism is Sweden, France, and even the USA with ACA, but we're a scumbag pander to the rich GOP oligarchy at this point, dupe. You RW militia? lol

Of course you say that because that's what the Establishment told you, yet you have no explanation as to HOW they are supposedly "Communist", despite it not lining up with ANY definition. You know who's duped? You. It's clear as day because you can't explain your position, only state that you hold that position, yet I've gone through the definition and the source multiple times. Karl Marx himself defined them that way, and gave explanations as to why, and how those definitions were properly applied. You haven't even given me a single statement to refute my assertions, you've only been repeating yourself. Sad. Absolutely sad and pathetic, Fopdoodle. Perhaps you should go read the Communist Manifesto, so you can understand what Socialism and Communism are. Or maybe you should go cry to your Establishment overlords and let them know that their mindless drones need REASONS for their statements, rather than just statements. They'll then proceed to pat your head and tell you "It's okay. If you repeat something often enough, some people will believe it. Hence you not thinking or questioning, just accepting. Now go, little one, and spread our propaganda to the world."

I've read it. MOOT since socialism and unionism and progressivism brought about the embourgeoisement of the working class. I have a Masters in History. You have a masters in RW BS.

 

[Pumpkin Row]

You obviously don't know what Socialism is if you're labeling Canada as such. Their industry is all privately owned, and Socialism by definition has all private industry owned by the government. Besides that, Canada ALSO has a worse economy than the United States, and their Healthcare system was so bad, until we destroyed ours, that they were actually coming to the US for OUR healthcare system.

As I stated earlier, New Zealand also has a worse economy than the United States, and the other Nordic Nations that supposedly have a working Socialist system ALSO have worse economies and are also working back towards Capitalism, because even they realize it doesn't work. I'm legitimately surprised, because usually Socialists aren't intelligent enough to learn from failures.

You see, I don't care how other Nations judge us, especially if they use your shallow perspective. "Oh, they let their people take care of themselves instead of babysitting them. How barbaric!". If these adult human beings can't take care of themselves, that's their own fault. A capitalist society is equal opportunity, and if they have no ambition or motivation, then it's their own fault that they fail, and others shouldn't be dragged down for their benefit. In a Socialist society, there's no incentive to take care of yourself, because the government does it for you, and that's one of the key reasons the ideology is worthless. Socialists make the assumption that human beings are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves, and the fact is that if that is correct, then they don't deserve to live.

Sure, the world has changed, but economics hasn't. Economics will always be the same, and the constant failures of the Socialists will always be a reminder of that: Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

That's COMMUNISM, dingbat, outside your tiny bubble. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic. Since about 1935, when the USSR was unmasked. The GOP loves you being a confused twit.

Communism doesn't exist. Again, Communism is a system with no government, no currency, and no social classes. None of those on the list fit the description. It's all socialism. The fact that you referred to every single failure as Communism only proves my point that Socialists are misusing the word to distance themselves from their failures, and the fact that you called Canada Socialist despite them lacking the components to be considered Socialist proves my point that you'll STRETCH the meaning in order to take credit for only the supposed "Successes". In doing so, you've only proven that you have no idea what Socialism is, and you have no idea what Communism is.

Communism's components are; Common ownership of the means of production and the absence of Social Classes, Money, and the State. In other words, completely equal society in every way imaginable. This system is impossible to implement, therefor Communists do not exist, and Communism is a system that has never been implemented and will never be implemented. Maybe THIS time it'll get through your thick skull.

Socialism's components are; Social control of the means of production and equity. A component shared among all of the Nations listed. Because they all implemented those components, they are therefor defined as Socialist. The fact that all of the above Socialist Nations failed does not change the fact that they are TEXTBOOK implementations of Socialist ideology and the components of Socialism. If you didn't want your ideology's historical failures to be pointed out every time you advocated it, you should have picked an Ideology that actually works.

Duped out of all connection to reality. Communism is the USSR and Cuba, etc. Socialism is Sweden, France, and even the USA with ACA, but we're a scumbag pander to the rich GOP oligarchy at this point, dupe. You RW militia? lol

Of course you say that because that's what the Establishment told you, yet you have no explanation as to HOW they are supposedly "Communist", despite it not lining up with ANY definition. You know who's duped? You. It's clear as day because you can't explain your position, only state that you hold that position, yet I've gone through the definition and the source multiple times. Karl Marx himself defined them that way, and gave explanations as to why, and how those definitions were properly applied. You haven't even given me a single statement to refute my assertions, you've only been repeating yourself. Sad. Absolutely sad and pathetic, Fopdoodle. Perhaps you should go read the Communist Manifesto, so you can understand what Socialism and Communism are. Or maybe you should go cry to your Establishment overlords and let them know that their mindless drones need REASONS for their statements, rather than just statements. They'll then proceed to pat your head and tell you "It's okay. If you repeat something often enough, some people will believe it. Hence you not thinking or questioning, just accepting. Now go, little one, and spread our propaganda to the world."

I've read it. MOOT since socialism and unionism and progressivism brought about the embourgeoisement of the working class. I have a Masters in History. You have a masters in RW BS.

If you had a Masters in History, you'd have already understood what I've been explaining to you. You, however, don't.

On that note, you apparently don't understand Unionism or Progressivism, either. Progressivism is just an attempt by Socialists to change their name, so they stop setting off red flags. Unionism is an abomination that allows workers to bully businesses into allowing them maximum pay for minimal work.

 

[francoHFW]

No it's simple history of the United States.

Sigh.....seems I have to teach you again.

As Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:

To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/taxes/ustax.shtml
http://www.founding.com/founders_library/pageID.2190/default.asp


It only remains to see if you are so dense that light bends around you.

"Private charities, as well as contributions to public purposes in proportion to every one's circumstances are certainly among the duties we owe to society." Jefferson

"Lliberty and charity ought to govern in all disputes." G. Washingrton

You need the word 'private' defined for you?
Seriously?

Take a gander at this:
"Americans are world's most charitable, top 1% provide 1/3rd of all donations
Americans are a charitable group, in fact the most generous in the world, according to the new Almanac of American Philanthropy.

The much maligned top 1 percent in the U.S. economy fork over one third of all donations made. Even in death.

"The wealthiest 1.4 percent of Americans are responsible for 86 percent of the charitable donations made at death," said the survey conducted by Public Opinion research."


https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2010&month=01

http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-generosity-of-america/

1. To begin with, charitable giving in America has never been the exclusive province of wealthy people. Throughout our history, Americans from all walks of life have given generously for charitable causes. Indeed, the most generous Americans today—the group that gives the most to charity as a proportion of their income—are the working poor.
2. Today, Americans voluntarily give over $30 billion a year to support higher education, and—thanks in part to philanthropy—America has the best colleges and universities in the world. Even our great flagship state universities depend on private contributions for much of their excellence.
3. Private charitable giving is also at the heart and soul of public discourse in our democracy. It makes possible our great think tanks, whether left, right or center. Name a great issue of public debate today: climate change, the role of government in health care, school choice, stem cell research, same-sex marriage. On all these issues, private philanthropy enriches debate by enabling organizations with diverse viewpoints to articulate and spread their message.
4. We usually hear about charity in the media when there is a terrible disaster. For example, after Hurricane Katrina, we heard about the incredible outpouring of private generosity that amounted to $6 billion. What gets less attention is that Americans routinely give that much to charity every week. Last year Americans gave $300 billion to charity. To put this into perspective, that is almost twice what we spent on consumer electronics equipment—equipment including cell phones, iPods and DVD players. Americans gave three times as much to charity last year as we spent on gambling and ten times as much as we spent on professional sports. America is by far the most charitable country in the world. There is no other country that comes close.

Sound like socialism to you?

Bless the rich that are charitable; bless the government for being charitable.

Are you playing dumb ....or really dumb?

Not 'government charity'....government bribery.

1. ' In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent, more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.
Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient.'
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/88767476


2. Bribery.
Like this:

"81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg"
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg



Only the sort of charity that FDR co-opted changed any of this.

And you never mention the New BS GOP/ W WORLD DEPRESSION? lol dupe. After 2012, all that stuff has gone down. ZZZZZZZZ.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sigh.....seems I have to teach you again.

As Thomas Jefferson once wrote regarding the "general Welfare" clause:

To take from one, because it is thought his own industry and that of his father has acquired too much, in order to spare to others who (or whose fathers) have not exercised equal industry and skill, is to violate arbitrarily the first principle of association, "to guarantee to everyone a free exercise of his industry and the fruits acquired by it."
http://www.ustreas.gov/education/fact-sheets/taxes/ustax.shtml
http://www.founding.com/founders_library/pageID.2190/default.asp


It only remains to see if you are so dense that light bends around you.

"Private charities, as well as contributions to public purposes in proportion to every one's circumstances are certainly among the duties we owe to society." Jefferson

"Lliberty and charity ought to govern in all disputes." G. Washingrton

You need the word 'private' defined for you?
Seriously?

Take a gander at this:
"Americans are world's most charitable, top 1% provide 1/3rd of all donations
Americans are a charitable group, in fact the most generous in the world, according to the new Almanac of American Philanthropy.

The much maligned top 1 percent in the U.S. economy fork over one third of all donations made. Even in death.

"The wealthiest 1.4 percent of Americans are responsible for 86 percent of the charitable donations made at death," said the survey conducted by Public Opinion research."


https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2010&month=01

http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-generosity-of-america/

1. To begin with, charitable giving in America has never been the exclusive province of wealthy people. Throughout our history, Americans from all walks of life have given generously for charitable causes. Indeed, the most generous Americans today—the group that gives the most to charity as a proportion of their income—are the working poor.
2. Today, Americans voluntarily give over $30 billion a year to support higher education, and—thanks in part to philanthropy—America has the best colleges and universities in the world. Even our great flagship state universities depend on private contributions for much of their excellence.
3. Private charitable giving is also at the heart and soul of public discourse in our democracy. It makes possible our great think tanks, whether left, right or center. Name a great issue of public debate today: climate change, the role of government in health care, school choice, stem cell research, same-sex marriage. On all these issues, private philanthropy enriches debate by enabling organizations with diverse viewpoints to articulate and spread their message.
4. We usually hear about charity in the media when there is a terrible disaster. For example, after Hurricane Katrina, we heard about the incredible outpouring of private generosity that amounted to $6 billion. What gets less attention is that Americans routinely give that much to charity every week. Last year Americans gave $300 billion to charity. To put this into perspective, that is almost twice what we spent on consumer electronics equipment—equipment including cell phones, iPods and DVD players. Americans gave three times as much to charity last year as we spent on gambling and ten times as much as we spent on professional sports. America is by far the most charitable country in the world. There is no other country that comes close.

Sound like socialism to you?

Bless the rich that are charitable; bless the government for being charitable.

Are you playing dumb ....or really dumb?

Not 'government charity'....government bribery.

1. ' In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent, more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.
Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient.'
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/88767476


2. Bribery.
Like this:

"81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg"
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg



Only the sort of charity that FDR co-opted changed any of this.

And you never mention the New BS GOP/ W WORLD DEPRESSION? lol dupe. After 2012, all that stuff has gone down. ZZZZZZZZ.

World Depression???????

Gads, you're a moron.

This????

Since there never was any such 'Depression' on the horizon, this post identifies you as just such a dolt.


"What Obama is claiming — that his presidency is responsible for "saving the world economy from a Great Depression" — is nonsense, but he's clearly beginning to lobby for it to become the historical narrative. This may explain why the Associated Press, while running a story on what Obama said, has made it pretty difficult to find. But it will be there for agenda-driven hacks to locate when it becomes time to spin the history. If a Republican or conservative president made such a claim, the fact checkers would already have been out in force.


At a townhall in London, Obama was asked: "After eight years, what would you say you want your legacy to be?" Here was his response, as it related to the "world economy":
"Saving the world economy from a Great Depression -- that was pretty good. (Laughter and applause.)"


[Obama:] "The first time I came to London was April of 2009, and the world economy was in a free fall, in part because of the reckless behavior of folks on Wall Street, but in part because of reckless behavior of a lot of financial institutions around the globe. For us to be able to mobilize the world community to take rapid action to stabilize the financial markets, and then in the United States to pass Wall Street reforms that make it much less likely that a crisis like that can happen again, I'm proud of that."


It's almost as if AP recognizes how absurd Obama's claim is, and wants to have it for the record so the historical revisionists can find it — but would rather as few people as possible know about it just yet." Obama Takes Credit For 'Saving the World Economy From a Great Depression'




If I may paraphrase Rudyard Kipling....
'Trust a Brahmin before a snake, and a snake before a harlot, and a harlot before a Democrat"

 

[francoHFW]

That's COMMUNISM, dingbat, outside your tiny bubble. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic. Since about 1935, when the USSR was unmasked. The GOP loves you being a confused twit.

Communism doesn't exist. Again, Communism is a system with no government, no currency, and no social classes. None of those on the list fit the description. It's all socialism. The fact that you referred to every single failure as Communism only proves my point that Socialists are misusing the word to distance themselves from their failures, and the fact that you called Canada Socialist despite them lacking the components to be considered Socialist proves my point that you'll STRETCH the meaning in order to take credit for only the supposed "Successes". In doing so, you've only proven that you have no idea what Socialism is, and you have no idea what Communism is.

Communism's components are; Common ownership of the means of production and the absence of Social Classes, Money, and the State. In other words, completely equal society in every way imaginable. This system is impossible to implement, therefor Communists do not exist, and Communism is a system that has never been implemented and will never be implemented. Maybe THIS time it'll get through your thick skull.

Socialism's components are; Social control of the means of production and equity. A component shared among all of the Nations listed. Because they all implemented those components, they are therefor defined as Socialist. The fact that all of the above Socialist Nations failed does not change the fact that they are TEXTBOOK implementations of Socialist ideology and the components of Socialism. If you didn't want your ideology's historical failures to be pointed out every time you advocated it, you should have picked an Ideology that actually works.

Duped out of all connection to reality. Communism is the USSR and Cuba, etc. Socialism is Sweden, France, and even the USA with ACA, but we're a scumbag pander to the rich GOP oligarchy at this point, dupe. You RW militia? lol

Of course you say that because that's what the Establishment told you, yet you have no explanation as to HOW they are supposedly "Communist", despite it not lining up with ANY definition. You know who's duped? You. It's clear as day because you can't explain your position, only state that you hold that position, yet I've gone through the definition and the source multiple times. Karl Marx himself defined them that way, and gave explanations as to why, and how those definitions were properly applied. You haven't even given me a single statement to refute my assertions, you've only been repeating yourself. Sad. Absolutely sad and pathetic, Fopdoodle. Perhaps you should go read the Communist Manifesto, so you can understand what Socialism and Communism are. Or maybe you should go cry to your Establishment overlords and let them know that their mindless drones need REASONS for their statements, rather than just statements. They'll then proceed to pat your head and tell you "It's okay. If you repeat something often enough, some people will believe it. Hence you not thinking or questioning, just accepting. Now go, little one, and spread our propaganda to the world."

I've read it. MOOT since socialism and unionism and progressivism brought about the embourgeoisement of the working class. I have a Masters in History. You have a masters in RW BS.

If you had a Masters in History, you'd have already understood what I've been explaining to you. You, however, don't.

On that note, you apparently don't understand Unionism or Progressivism, either. Progressivism is just an attempt by Socialists to change their name, so they stop setting off red flags. Unionism is an abomination that allows workers to bully businesses into allowing them maximum pay for minimal work.

I understand that you listened to some bought off a-hole on the radio and think you're a genius now, dupe. You RW HS grad rubes are now the "loudmouth majority". Idiotic "classical liberals" and conservatives who are just dupes of the New BS GOP propaganda machine.. Maybe Trump may work out, but not for the reasons you voted for him...

 

[Pumpkin Row]

Communism doesn't exist. Again, Communism is a system with no government, no currency, and no social classes. None of those on the list fit the description. It's all socialism. The fact that you referred to every single failure as Communism only proves my point that Socialists are misusing the word to distance themselves from their failures, and the fact that you called Canada Socialist despite them lacking the components to be considered Socialist proves my point that you'll STRETCH the meaning in order to take credit for only the supposed "Successes". In doing so, you've only proven that you have no idea what Socialism is, and you have no idea what Communism is.

Communism's components are; Common ownership of the means of production and the absence of Social Classes, Money, and the State. In other words, completely equal society in every way imaginable. This system is impossible to implement, therefor Communists do not exist, and Communism is a system that has never been implemented and will never be implemented. Maybe THIS time it'll get through your thick skull.

Socialism's components are; Social control of the means of production and equity. A component shared among all of the Nations listed. Because they all implemented those components, they are therefor defined as Socialist. The fact that all of the above Socialist Nations failed does not change the fact that they are TEXTBOOK implementations of Socialist ideology and the components of Socialism. If you didn't want your ideology's historical failures to be pointed out every time you advocated it, you should have picked an Ideology that actually works.

Duped out of all connection to reality. Communism is the USSR and Cuba, etc. Socialism is Sweden, France, and even the USA with ACA, but we're a scumbag pander to the rich GOP oligarchy at this point, dupe. You RW militia? lol

Of course you say that because that's what the Establishment told you, yet you have no explanation as to HOW they are supposedly "Communist", despite it not lining up with ANY definition. You know who's duped? You. It's clear as day because you can't explain your position, only state that you hold that position, yet I've gone through the definition and the source multiple times. Karl Marx himself defined them that way, and gave explanations as to why, and how those definitions were properly applied. You haven't even given me a single statement to refute my assertions, you've only been repeating yourself. Sad. Absolutely sad and pathetic, Fopdoodle. Perhaps you should go read the Communist Manifesto, so you can understand what Socialism and Communism are. Or maybe you should go cry to your Establishment overlords and let them know that their mindless drones need REASONS for their statements, rather than just statements. They'll then proceed to pat your head and tell you "It's okay. If you repeat something often enough, some people will believe it. Hence you not thinking or questioning, just accepting. Now go, little one, and spread our propaganda to the world."

I've read it. MOOT since socialism and unionism and progressivism brought about the embourgeoisement of the working class. I have a Masters in History. You have a masters in RW BS.

If you had a Masters in History, you'd have already understood what I've been explaining to you. You, however, don't.

On that note, you apparently don't understand Unionism or Progressivism, either. Progressivism is just an attempt by Socialists to change their name, so they stop setting off red flags. Unionism is an abomination that allows workers to bully businesses into allowing them maximum pay for minimal work.

I understand that you listened to some bought off a-hole on the radio and think you're a genius now, dupe. You RW HS grad rubes are now the "loudmouth majority". Idiotic "classical liberals" and conservatives who are just dupes of the New BS GOP propaganda machine.. Maybe Trump may work out, but not for the reasons you voted for him...

I don't listen to the radio. I'm not a Republican. Considering you're repeating exactly what the propaganda machine, you're basically throwing stones in a glass house.

You also have yet to back up ANY of your statements, so there's that, too.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Of course they didn't, Socialism inherently cannot work, the key components prevent it from functioning. Carl Marx defined Communism, and unless a Nation fits the definition, it's not Communism. In fact, the USSR fits EVERY component of the definition for Socialism as described by Carl Marx. If it fulfills every criteria, then it's obviously Socialism.

Then what would you call taking someone's position against their will? Hmm?

Nobody is obligated to help someone in need, it's called free will. When the government takes someone's money and gives it to someone, regardless of how well off they are, it's thievery. Socialism by definition advocates thievery. In a Capitalist society, everyone has equal opportunity to succeed, and if someone doesn't, it's on them. Everyone also has equal opportunity to recover from their mess-ups, and if they don't that's also on them. This is the real world, nobody is obligated to help, and nobody should be forced to.

The gov't of the old EU, NZ, and Canada etc etc work great. That's socialism, and it works fine. You appear to be a barbarian lol. The way a society takes care for their unfortunate is how they are judged. You will be too. New BS GOP idiocy, that makes you a perfect dupe of the greedy idiot rich a-holle GOP...The world has changed since Karl Marx, dupe.

You obviously don't know what Socialism is if you're labeling Canada as such. Their industry is all privately owned, and Socialism by definition has all private industry owned by the government. Besides that, Canada ALSO has a worse economy than the United States, and their Healthcare system was so bad, until we destroyed ours, that they were actually coming to the US for OUR healthcare system.

As I stated earlier, New Zealand also has a worse economy than the United States, and the other Nordic Nations that supposedly have a working Socialist system ALSO have worse economies and are also working back towards Capitalism, because even they realize it doesn't work. I'm legitimately surprised, because usually Socialists aren't intelligent enough to learn from failures.

You see, I don't care how other Nations judge us, especially if they use your shallow perspective. "Oh, they let their people take care of themselves instead of babysitting them. How barbaric!". If these adult human beings can't take care of themselves, that's their own fault. A capitalist society is equal opportunity, and if they have no ambition or motivation, then it's their own fault that they fail, and others shouldn't be dragged down for their benefit. In a Socialist society, there's no incentive to take care of yourself, because the government does it for you, and that's one of the key reasons the ideology is worthless. Socialists make the assumption that human beings are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves, and the fact is that if that is correct, then they don't deserve to live.

Sure, the world has changed, but economics hasn't. Economics will always be the same, and the constant failures of the Socialists will always be a reminder of that: Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

That's COMMUNISM, dingbat, outside your tiny bubble. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic. Since about 1935, when the USSR was unmasked. The GOP loves you being a confused twit.

Communism doesn't exist. Again, Communism is a system with no government, no currency, and no social classes. None of those on the list fit the description. It's all socialism. The fact that you referred to every single failure as Communism only proves my point that Socialists are misusing the word to distance themselves from their failures, and the fact that you called Canada Socialist despite them lacking the components to be considered Socialist proves my point that you'll STRETCH the meaning in order to take credit for only the supposed "Successes". In doing so, you've only proven that you have no idea what Socialism is, and you have no idea what Communism is.

Communism's components are; Common ownership of the means of production and the absence of Social Classes, Money, and the State. In other words, completely equal society in every way imaginable. This system is impossible to implement, therefor Communists do not exist, and Communism is a system that has never been implemented and will never be implemented. Maybe THIS time it'll get through your thick skull.

Socialism's components are; Social control of the means of production and equity. A component shared among all of the Nations listed. Because they all implemented those components, they are therefor defined as Socialist. The fact that all of the above Socialist Nations failed does not change the fact that they are TEXTBOOK implementations of Socialist ideology and the components of Socialism. If you didn't want your ideology's historical failures to be pointed out every time you advocated it, you should have picked an Ideology that actually works.

Duped out of all connection to reality. Communism is the USSR and Cuba, etc. Socialism is Sweden, France, and even the USA with ACA, but we're a scumbag pander to the rich GOP oligarchy at this point, dupe. You RW militia? lol

"Duped out of all connection to reality."

WHAT!!!!!

Have you forgotten that I have ordered you to never.....never!...use the term "Dupe"...until you have read this book:

"Dupes: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century"
by Paul Kengor



Don't make me have to remind you!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Communism doesn't exist. Again, Communism is a system with no government, no currency, and no social classes. None of those on the list fit the description. It's all socialism. The fact that you referred to every single failure as Communism only proves my point that Socialists are misusing the word to distance themselves from their failures, and the fact that you called Canada Socialist despite them lacking the components to be considered Socialist proves my point that you'll STRETCH the meaning in order to take credit for only the supposed "Successes". In doing so, you've only proven that you have no idea what Socialism is, and you have no idea what Communism is.

Communism's components are; Common ownership of the means of production and the absence of Social Classes, Money, and the State. In other words, completely equal society in every way imaginable. This system is impossible to implement, therefor Communists do not exist, and Communism is a system that has never been implemented and will never be implemented. Maybe THIS time it'll get through your thick skull.

Socialism's components are; Social control of the means of production and equity. A component shared among all of the Nations listed. Because they all implemented those components, they are therefor defined as Socialist. The fact that all of the above Socialist Nations failed does not change the fact that they are TEXTBOOK implementations of Socialist ideology and the components of Socialism. If you didn't want your ideology's historical failures to be pointed out every time you advocated it, you should have picked an Ideology that actually works.

Duped out of all connection to reality. Communism is the USSR and Cuba, etc. Socialism is Sweden, France, and even the USA with ACA, but we're a scumbag pander to the rich GOP oligarchy at this point, dupe. You RW militia? lol

Of course you say that because that's what the Establishment told you, yet you have no explanation as to HOW they are supposedly "Communist", despite it not lining up with ANY definition. You know who's duped? You. It's clear as day because you can't explain your position, only state that you hold that position, yet I've gone through the definition and the source multiple times. Karl Marx himself defined them that way, and gave explanations as to why, and how those definitions were properly applied. You haven't even given me a single statement to refute my assertions, you've only been repeating yourself. Sad. Absolutely sad and pathetic, Fopdoodle. Perhaps you should go read the Communist Manifesto, so you can understand what Socialism and Communism are. Or maybe you should go cry to your Establishment overlords and let them know that their mindless drones need REASONS for their statements, rather than just statements. They'll then proceed to pat your head and tell you "It's okay. If you repeat something often enough, some people will believe it. Hence you not thinking or questioning, just accepting. Now go, little one, and spread our propaganda to the world."

I've read it. MOOT since socialism and unionism and progressivism brought about the embourgeoisement of the working class. I have a Masters in History. You have a masters in RW BS.

If you had a Masters in History, you'd have already understood what I've been explaining to you. You, however, don't.

On that note, you apparently don't understand Unionism or Progressivism, either. Progressivism is just an attempt by Socialists to change their name, so they stop setting off red flags. Unionism is an abomination that allows workers to bully businesses into allowing them maximum pay for minimal work.

I understand that you listened to some bought off a-hole on the radio and think you're a genius now, dupe. You RW HS grad rubes are now the "loudmouth majority". Idiotic "classical liberals" and conservatives who are just dupes of the New BS GOP propaganda machine.. Maybe Trump may work out, but not for the reasons you voted for him...

"I understand that you listened to some bought off a-hole on the radio and think you're a genius now, dupe. You RW HS grad rubes are now the "loudmouth majority". Idiotic "classical liberals" and conservatives who are just dupes of the New BS GOP propaganda machine.. Maybe Trump may work out, but not for the reasons you voted for him.."


Uh oh!!!!!

You are tap-dancing on a landmine!!!!!!

 

[francoHFW]

"Private charities, as well as contributions to public purposes in proportion to every one's circumstances are certainly among the duties we owe to society." Jefferson

"Lliberty and charity ought to govern in all disputes." G. Washingrton

You need the word 'private' defined for you?
Seriously?

Take a gander at this:
"Americans are world's most charitable, top 1% provide 1/3rd of all donations
Americans are a charitable group, in fact the most generous in the world, according to the new Almanac of American Philanthropy.

The much maligned top 1 percent in the U.S. economy fork over one third of all donations made. Even in death.

"The wealthiest 1.4 percent of Americans are responsible for 86 percent of the charitable donations made at death," said the survey conducted by Public Opinion research."


https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2010&month=01

http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-generosity-of-america/

1. To begin with, charitable giving in America has never been the exclusive province of wealthy people. Throughout our history, Americans from all walks of life have given generously for charitable causes. Indeed, the most generous Americans today—the group that gives the most to charity as a proportion of their income—are the working poor.
2. Today, Americans voluntarily give over $30 billion a year to support higher education, and—thanks in part to philanthropy—America has the best colleges and universities in the world. Even our great flagship state universities depend on private contributions for much of their excellence.
3. Private charitable giving is also at the heart and soul of public discourse in our democracy. It makes possible our great think tanks, whether left, right or center. Name a great issue of public debate today: climate change, the role of government in health care, school choice, stem cell research, same-sex marriage. On all these issues, private philanthropy enriches debate by enabling organizations with diverse viewpoints to articulate and spread their message.
4. We usually hear about charity in the media when there is a terrible disaster. For example, after Hurricane Katrina, we heard about the incredible outpouring of private generosity that amounted to $6 billion. What gets less attention is that Americans routinely give that much to charity every week. Last year Americans gave $300 billion to charity. To put this into perspective, that is almost twice what we spent on consumer electronics equipment—equipment including cell phones, iPods and DVD players. Americans gave three times as much to charity last year as we spent on gambling and ten times as much as we spent on professional sports. America is by far the most charitable country in the world. There is no other country that comes close.

Sound like socialism to you?

Bless the rich that are charitable; bless the government for being charitable.

Are you playing dumb ....or really dumb?

Not 'government charity'....government bribery.

1. ' In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent, more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.
Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient.'
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/88767476


2. Bribery.
Like this:

"81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg"
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg



Only the sort of charity that FDR co-opted changed any of this.

And you never mention the New BS GOP/ W WORLD DEPRESSION? lol dupe. After 2012, all that stuff has gone down. ZZZZZZZZ.

World Depression???????

Gads, you're a moron.

This????

Since there never was any such 'Depression' on the horizon, this post identifies you as just such a dolt.


"What Obama is claiming — that his presidency is responsible for "saving the world economy from a Great Depression" — is nonsense, but he's clearly beginning to lobby for it to become the historical narrative. This may explain why the Associated Press, while running a story on what Obama said, has made it pretty difficult to find. But it will be there for agenda-driven hacks to locate when it becomes time to spin the history. If a Republican or conservative president made such a claim, the fact checkers would already have been out in force.


At a townhall in London, Obama was asked: "After eight years, what would you say you want your legacy to be?" Here was his response, as it related to the "world economy":
"Saving the world economy from a Great Depression -- that was pretty good. (Laughter and applause.)"


[Obama:] "The first time I came to London was April of 2009, and the world economy was in a free fall, in part because of the reckless behavior of folks on Wall Street, but in part because of reckless behavior of a lot of financial institutions around the globe. For us to be able to mobilize the world community to take rapid action to stabilize the financial markets, and then in the United States to pass Wall Street reforms that make it much less likely that a crisis like that can happen again, I'm proud of that."


It's almost as if AP recognizes how absurd Obama's claim is, and wants to have it for the record so the historical revisionists can find it — but would rather as few people as possible know about it just yet." Obama Takes Credit For 'Saving the World Economy From a Great Depression'




If I may paraphrase Rudyard Kipling....
'Trust a Brahmin before a snake, and a snake before a harlot, and a harlot before a Democrat"

It happened, stupid. W's TARP in October 2008 spent 700 BILLION to save Wall ST, Dems and 2 GOPers spent 800 BILLION to save Main St. in April 2009, and TRILLIONS to help the victims in UE and welfare (almost no changes in law). The rest of the modern world DITTO. CHANGE THE CHANNEL, IDIOT. We have the best economy in the world now. The 3rd world is still in depression.


The fact that you jackasses deny this, GW, that Obama was totally obstructed, or Hillary was lied about, etc etc, shows how brainwashed and deluded you are. Trump showed how easy it is to con you morons.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You need the word 'private' defined for you?
Seriously?

Take a gander at this:
"Americans are world's most charitable, top 1% provide 1/3rd of all donations
Americans are a charitable group, in fact the most generous in the world, according to the new Almanac of American Philanthropy.

The much maligned top 1 percent in the U.S. economy fork over one third of all donations made. Even in death.

"The wealthiest 1.4 percent of Americans are responsible for 86 percent of the charitable donations made at death," said the survey conducted by Public Opinion research."


https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2010&month=01

http://imprimis.hillsdale.edu/the-generosity-of-america/

1. To begin with, charitable giving in America has never been the exclusive province of wealthy people. Throughout our history, Americans from all walks of life have given generously for charitable causes. Indeed, the most generous Americans today—the group that gives the most to charity as a proportion of their income—are the working poor.
2. Today, Americans voluntarily give over $30 billion a year to support higher education, and—thanks in part to philanthropy—America has the best colleges and universities in the world. Even our great flagship state universities depend on private contributions for much of their excellence.
3. Private charitable giving is also at the heart and soul of public discourse in our democracy. It makes possible our great think tanks, whether left, right or center. Name a great issue of public debate today: climate change, the role of government in health care, school choice, stem cell research, same-sex marriage. On all these issues, private philanthropy enriches debate by enabling organizations with diverse viewpoints to articulate and spread their message.
4. We usually hear about charity in the media when there is a terrible disaster. For example, after Hurricane Katrina, we heard about the incredible outpouring of private generosity that amounted to $6 billion. What gets less attention is that Americans routinely give that much to charity every week. Last year Americans gave $300 billion to charity. To put this into perspective, that is almost twice what we spent on consumer electronics equipment—equipment including cell phones, iPods and DVD players. Americans gave three times as much to charity last year as we spent on gambling and ten times as much as we spent on professional sports. America is by far the most charitable country in the world. There is no other country that comes close.

Sound like socialism to you?

Bless the rich that are charitable; bless the government for being charitable.

Are you playing dumb ....or really dumb?

Not 'government charity'....government bribery.

1. ' In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent, more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.
Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient.'
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/88767476


2. Bribery.
Like this:

"81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg"
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg



Only the sort of charity that FDR co-opted changed any of this.

And you never mention the New BS GOP/ W WORLD DEPRESSION? lol dupe. After 2012, all that stuff has gone down. ZZZZZZZZ.

World Depression???????

Gads, you're a moron.

This????

Since there never was any such 'Depression' on the horizon, this post identifies you as just such a dolt.


"What Obama is claiming — that his presidency is responsible for "saving the world economy from a Great Depression" — is nonsense, but he's clearly beginning to lobby for it to become the historical narrative. This may explain why the Associated Press, while running a story on what Obama said, has made it pretty difficult to find. But it will be there for agenda-driven hacks to locate when it becomes time to spin the history. If a Republican or conservative president made such a claim, the fact checkers would already have been out in force.


At a townhall in London, Obama was asked: "After eight years, what would you say you want your legacy to be?" Here was his response, as it related to the "world economy":
"Saving the world economy from a Great Depression -- that was pretty good. (Laughter and applause.)"


[Obama:] "The first time I came to London was April of 2009, and the world economy was in a free fall, in part because of the reckless behavior of folks on Wall Street, but in part because of reckless behavior of a lot of financial institutions around the globe. For us to be able to mobilize the world community to take rapid action to stabilize the financial markets, and then in the United States to pass Wall Street reforms that make it much less likely that a crisis like that can happen again, I'm proud of that."


It's almost as if AP recognizes how absurd Obama's claim is, and wants to have it for the record so the historical revisionists can find it — but would rather as few people as possible know about it just yet." Obama Takes Credit For 'Saving the World Economy From a Great Depression'




If I may paraphrase Rudyard Kipling....
'Trust a Brahmin before a snake, and a snake before a harlot, and a harlot before a Democrat"

It happened, stupid. W's TARP in October 2008 spent 700 BILLION to save Wall ST, Dems and 2 GOPers spent 800 BILLION to save Main St. in April 2009, and TRILLIONS to help the victims in UE and welfare (almost no changes in law). The rest of the modern world DITTO. CHANGE THE CHANNEL, IDIOT. We have the best economy in the world now. The 3rd world is still in depression.


The fact that you jackasses deny this, GW, that Obama was totally obstructed, or Hillary was lied about, etc etc, shows how brainwashed and deluded you are. Trump showed how easy it is to con you morons.

Actually it never happened.

It's one more of those fairy tales that morons buy like they were on sale.

You know....like..."Hillary....smartest woman in the world!!!!!!!"

 

[francoHFW]

The gov't of the old EU, NZ, and Canada etc etc work great. That's socialism, and it works fine. You appear to be a barbarian lol. The way a society takes care for their unfortunate is how they are judged. You will be too. New BS GOP idiocy, that makes you a perfect dupe of the greedy idiot rich a-holle GOP...The world has changed since Karl Marx, dupe.

You obviously don't know what Socialism is if you're labeling Canada as such. Their industry is all privately owned, and Socialism by definition has all private industry owned by the government. Besides that, Canada ALSO has a worse economy than the United States, and their Healthcare system was so bad, until we destroyed ours, that they were actually coming to the US for OUR healthcare system.

As I stated earlier, New Zealand also has a worse economy than the United States, and the other Nordic Nations that supposedly have a working Socialist system ALSO have worse economies and are also working back towards Capitalism, because even they realize it doesn't work. I'm legitimately surprised, because usually Socialists aren't intelligent enough to learn from failures.

You see, I don't care how other Nations judge us, especially if they use your shallow perspective. "Oh, they let their people take care of themselves instead of babysitting them. How barbaric!". If these adult human beings can't take care of themselves, that's their own fault. A capitalist society is equal opportunity, and if they have no ambition or motivation, then it's their own fault that they fail, and others shouldn't be dragged down for their benefit. In a Socialist society, there's no incentive to take care of yourself, because the government does it for you, and that's one of the key reasons the ideology is worthless. Socialists make the assumption that human beings are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves, and the fact is that if that is correct, then they don't deserve to live.

Sure, the world has changed, but economics hasn't. Economics will always be the same, and the constant failures of the Socialists will always be a reminder of that: Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

That's COMMUNISM, dingbat, outside your tiny bubble. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic. Since about 1935, when the USSR was unmasked. The GOP loves you being a confused twit.

Communism doesn't exist. Again, Communism is a system with no government, no currency, and no social classes. None of those on the list fit the description. It's all socialism. The fact that you referred to every single failure as Communism only proves my point that Socialists are misusing the word to distance themselves from their failures, and the fact that you called Canada Socialist despite them lacking the components to be considered Socialist proves my point that you'll STRETCH the meaning in order to take credit for only the supposed "Successes". In doing so, you've only proven that you have no idea what Socialism is, and you have no idea what Communism is.

Communism's components are; Common ownership of the means of production and the absence of Social Classes, Money, and the State. In other words, completely equal society in every way imaginable. This system is impossible to implement, therefor Communists do not exist, and Communism is a system that has never been implemented and will never be implemented. Maybe THIS time it'll get through your thick skull.

Socialism's components are; Social control of the means of production and equity. A component shared among all of the Nations listed. Because they all implemented those components, they are therefor defined as Socialist. The fact that all of the above Socialist Nations failed does not change the fact that they are TEXTBOOK implementations of Socialist ideology and the components of Socialism. If you didn't want your ideology's historical failures to be pointed out every time you advocated it, you should have picked an Ideology that actually works.

Duped out of all connection to reality. Communism is the USSR and Cuba, etc. Socialism is Sweden, France, and even the USA with ACA, but we're a scumbag pander to the rich GOP oligarchy at this point, dupe. You RW militia? lol

"Duped out of all connection to reality."

WHAT!!!!!

Have you forgotten that I have ordered you to never.....never!...use the term "Dupe"...until you have read this book:

"Dupes: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century"
by Paul Kengor



Don't make me have to remind you!

One stupid meme fits all for you ignoramuses...LOL. Yup, we're all Commies. Or communism doesn't exist. All duperie from the New BS GOP.

 

[francoHFW]

Bless the rich that are charitable; bless the government for being charitable.

Are you playing dumb ....or really dumb?

Not 'government charity'....government bribery.

1. ' In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent, more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.
Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient.'
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/88767476


2. Bribery.
Like this:

"81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg"
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg



Only the sort of charity that FDR co-opted changed any of this.

And you never mention the New BS GOP/ W WORLD DEPRESSION? lol dupe. After 2012, all that stuff has gone down. ZZZZZZZZ.

World Depression???????

Gads, you're a moron.

This????

Since there never was any such 'Depression' on the horizon, this post identifies you as just such a dolt.


"What Obama is claiming — that his presidency is responsible for "saving the world economy from a Great Depression" — is nonsense, but he's clearly beginning to lobby for it to become the historical narrative. This may explain why the Associated Press, while running a story on what Obama said, has made it pretty difficult to find. But it will be there for agenda-driven hacks to locate when it becomes time to spin the history. If a Republican or conservative president made such a claim, the fact checkers would already have been out in force.


At a townhall in London, Obama was asked: "After eight years, what would you say you want your legacy to be?" Here was his response, as it related to the "world economy":
"Saving the world economy from a Great Depression -- that was pretty good. (Laughter and applause.)"


[Obama:] "The first time I came to London was April of 2009, and the world economy was in a free fall, in part because of the reckless behavior of folks on Wall Street, but in part because of reckless behavior of a lot of financial institutions around the globe. For us to be able to mobilize the world community to take rapid action to stabilize the financial markets, and then in the United States to pass Wall Street reforms that make it much less likely that a crisis like that can happen again, I'm proud of that."


It's almost as if AP recognizes how absurd Obama's claim is, and wants to have it for the record so the historical revisionists can find it — but would rather as few people as possible know about it just yet." Obama Takes Credit For 'Saving the World Economy From a Great Depression'




If I may paraphrase Rudyard Kipling....
'Trust a Brahmin before a snake, and a snake before a harlot, and a harlot before a Democrat"

It happened, stupid. W's TARP in October 2008 spent 700 BILLION to save Wall ST, Dems and 2 GOPers spent 800 BILLION to save Main St. in April 2009, and TRILLIONS to help the victims in UE and welfare (almost no changes in law). The rest of the modern world DITTO. CHANGE THE CHANNEL, IDIOT. We have the best economy in the world now. The 3rd world is still in depression.


The fact that you jackasses deny this, GW, that Obama was totally obstructed, or Hillary was lied about, etc etc, shows how brainwashed and deluded you are. Trump showed how easy it is to con you morons.

Actually it never happened.

It's one more of those fairy tales that morons buy like they were on sale.

You know....like..."Hillary....smartest woman in the world!!!!!!!"

Yup, the financial crisis of 2008 never happened. Incredible, ignoramus.

 

[PoliticalChic]

You obviously don't know what Socialism is if you're labeling Canada as such. Their industry is all privately owned, and Socialism by definition has all private industry owned by the government. Besides that, Canada ALSO has a worse economy than the United States, and their Healthcare system was so bad, until we destroyed ours, that they were actually coming to the US for OUR healthcare system.

As I stated earlier, New Zealand also has a worse economy than the United States, and the other Nordic Nations that supposedly have a working Socialist system ALSO have worse economies and are also working back towards Capitalism, because even they realize it doesn't work. I'm legitimately surprised, because usually Socialists aren't intelligent enough to learn from failures.

You see, I don't care how other Nations judge us, especially if they use your shallow perspective. "Oh, they let their people take care of themselves instead of babysitting them. How barbaric!". If these adult human beings can't take care of themselves, that's their own fault. A capitalist society is equal opportunity, and if they have no ambition or motivation, then it's their own fault that they fail, and others shouldn't be dragged down for their benefit. In a Socialist society, there's no incentive to take care of yourself, because the government does it for you, and that's one of the key reasons the ideology is worthless. Socialists make the assumption that human beings are too stupid and lazy to take care of themselves, and the fact is that if that is correct, then they don't deserve to live.

Sure, the world has changed, but economics hasn't. Economics will always be the same, and the constant failures of the Socialists will always be a reminder of that: Afghanistan(Twice), Albania(Three times), Angola, Benin, Bulgaria, Cambodia(Twice), Congo-Brazzaville, Czechoslovakia(twice), Ethiopia(twice), Germany, Hungary, North Korea, Mongolia, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Somalia, Russia, North Vietnam, South Yemen, Yugoslavia, Venezuela, Greece.

That's COMMUNISM, dingbat, outside your tiny bubble. Socialism is ALWAYS democratic. Since about 1935, when the USSR was unmasked. The GOP loves you being a confused twit.

Communism doesn't exist. Again, Communism is a system with no government, no currency, and no social classes. None of those on the list fit the description. It's all socialism. The fact that you referred to every single failure as Communism only proves my point that Socialists are misusing the word to distance themselves from their failures, and the fact that you called Canada Socialist despite them lacking the components to be considered Socialist proves my point that you'll STRETCH the meaning in order to take credit for only the supposed "Successes". In doing so, you've only proven that you have no idea what Socialism is, and you have no idea what Communism is.

Communism's components are; Common ownership of the means of production and the absence of Social Classes, Money, and the State. In other words, completely equal society in every way imaginable. This system is impossible to implement, therefor Communists do not exist, and Communism is a system that has never been implemented and will never be implemented. Maybe THIS time it'll get through your thick skull.

Socialism's components are; Social control of the means of production and equity. A component shared among all of the Nations listed. Because they all implemented those components, they are therefor defined as Socialist. The fact that all of the above Socialist Nations failed does not change the fact that they are TEXTBOOK implementations of Socialist ideology and the components of Socialism. If you didn't want your ideology's historical failures to be pointed out every time you advocated it, you should have picked an Ideology that actually works.

Duped out of all connection to reality. Communism is the USSR and Cuba, etc. Socialism is Sweden, France, and even the USA with ACA, but we're a scumbag pander to the rich GOP oligarchy at this point, dupe. You RW militia? lol

"Duped out of all connection to reality."

WHAT!!!!!

Have you forgotten that I have ordered you to never.....never!...use the term "Dupe"...until you have read this book:

"Dupes: How America's Adversaries Have Manipulated Progressives for a Century"
by Paul Kengor



Don't make me have to remind you!

One stupid meme fits all for you ignoramuses...LOL. Yup, we're all Commies. Or communism doesn't exist. All duperie from the New BS GOP.

"Yup, we're all Commies."

No....you're a moron.

The Left could convince you to be anything.

That's how morons behave.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Are you playing dumb ....or really dumb?

Not 'government charity'....government bribery.

1. ' In fact, since
President Obama took office, federal welfare
spending has increased by 41 percent, more
than $193 billion per year. Despite this government largess, more than 46 million Americans continue to live in poverty. Despite nearly $15
trillion in total welfare spending since Lyndon
Johnson declared war on poverty in 1964, the
poverty rate is perilously close to where we began more than 40 years ago.
Throwing money at the problem has neither
reduced poverty nor made the poor self-sufficient.'
http://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/88767476


2. Bribery.
Like this:

"81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg"
81% of people receiving public housing benefits vote Democratic – and that’s just the tip of the handout iceberg



Only the sort of charity that FDR co-opted changed any of this.

And you never mention the New BS GOP/ W WORLD DEPRESSION? lol dupe. After 2012, all that stuff has gone down. ZZZZZZZZ.

World Depression???????

Gads, you're a moron.

This????

Since there never was any such 'Depression' on the horizon, this post identifies you as just such a dolt.


"What Obama is claiming — that his presidency is responsible for "saving the world economy from a Great Depression" — is nonsense, but he's clearly beginning to lobby for it to become the historical narrative. This may explain why the Associated Press, while running a story on what Obama said, has made it pretty difficult to find. But it will be there for agenda-driven hacks to locate when it becomes time to spin the history. If a Republican or conservative president made such a claim, the fact checkers would already have been out in force.


At a townhall in London, Obama was asked: "After eight years, what would you say you want your legacy to be?" Here was his response, as it related to the "world economy":
"Saving the world economy from a Great Depression -- that was pretty good. (Laughter and applause.)"


[Obama:] "The first time I came to London was April of 2009, and the world economy was in a free fall, in part because of the reckless behavior of folks on Wall Street, but in part because of reckless behavior of a lot of financial institutions around the globe. For us to be able to mobilize the world community to take rapid action to stabilize the financial markets, and then in the United States to pass Wall Street reforms that make it much less likely that a crisis like that can happen again, I'm proud of that."


It's almost as if AP recognizes how absurd Obama's claim is, and wants to have it for the record so the historical revisionists can find it — but would rather as few people as possible know about it just yet." Obama Takes Credit For 'Saving the World Economy From a Great Depression'




If I may paraphrase Rudyard Kipling....
'Trust a Brahmin before a snake, and a snake before a harlot, and a harlot before a Democrat"

It happened, stupid. W's TARP in October 2008 spent 700 BILLION to save Wall ST, Dems and 2 GOPers spent 800 BILLION to save Main St. in April 2009, and TRILLIONS to help the victims in UE and welfare (almost no changes in law). The rest of the modern world DITTO. CHANGE THE CHANNEL, IDIOT. We have the best economy in the world now. The 3rd world is still in depression.


The fact that you jackasses deny this, GW, that Obama was totally obstructed, or Hillary was lied about, etc etc, shows how brainwashed and deluded you are. Trump showed how easy it is to con you morons.

Actually it never happened.

It's one more of those fairy tales that morons buy like they were on sale.

You know....like..."Hillary....smartest woman in the world!!!!!!!"

Yup, the financial crisis of 2008 never happened. Incredible, ignoramus.

Inadvertently...'cause you're a moron....you've proven my post.

As I stated....no "World Depression."



How do you find your way back to that split level PortaPotty you call home?
Bread crumbs?
Shiny pebbles?