Exactly. Not capitalists. Government leeches
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Capitalism is Violence
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Russian memes are very powerful!!
Why aren’t you in North Korea where you can be safe from capitalism?
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Because the greatest purveyor of violence in the world is right here.How come all you enlightened folks never move to your paradise nations of Communism?
Noam Chomsky | The US Believes It Has an Inalienable Right to Exploit Developing Nations
"The central concern, with regard to the Third World, is to defend the right to rob and to exploit, to protect 'our' raw materials.
"More generally, the concern is to maintain the Grand Area subordinated to the needs of US elites and to ensure that other powers are limited to their 'regional interests' within the 'overall framework of order' maintained and controlled by the United States."
When are the unenlightened going to notice?
Because the greatest purveyor of violence in the world is right here.How come all you enlightened folks never move to your paradise nations of Communism?
Noam Chomsky | The US Believes It Has an Inalienable Right to Exploit Developing Nations
"The central concern, with regard to the Third World, is to defend the right to rob and to exploit, to protect 'our' raw materials.
"More generally, the concern is to maintain the Grand Area subordinated to the needs of US elites and to ensure that other powers are limited to their 'regional interests' within the 'overall framework of order' maintained and controlled by the United States."
When are the unenlightened going to notice?
Because the greatest purveyor of violence in the world is right here.
You're not doing anything to stop the violence.
So stop your selfless sacrifice......move.
Move to a third world commie shithole.....and defend it in person.
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You’re just lashing out cause you’re gay.
Urban Dictionary: Finance Punk
A cultural and aesthetic mind-state that prioritizes making money, even as an “underground” or “radical” creator. The work isn’t made for money, but it’s the money that matters the most.
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What does that have to do with you being gay?You’re just lashing out cause you’re gay.Urban Dictionary: Finance Punk
A cultural and aesthetic mind-state that prioritizes making money, even as an “underground” or “radical” creator. The work isn’t made for money, but it’s the money that matters the most.
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So why did Hitler kill communists and give a medal to Henry Ford, Rube?From 1933 to 1945 Germany is ruled by the political party that calls itself;
NATIONAL SOCIALIST German Workers Party
- can we get anything more anti-Capitalist in name and identity ???
progressive hunter
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whats wrong george?? you cant answer a simple question??you there george???but what happens if I want to start my own company to make the same product the company I work for makes???You need to update your definition of socialism.n your socialist system you are what the government determines you are,,,
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Your "success" is largely an accident of birth.I went from poverty to wealth in my life and comfortably retired in my 50’s.
Care to share a similar story in Communism?
Americans have prospered by exploiting the natural resources and human capital of other countries.
How did capitalism affect life expectancy in Russia after the fall of communism?
File:Life expectancy USSR.png - Wikimedia Commons
Mortality and life expectancy in post-communist countries
"The transition to the market economy and democracy in Eastern Europe and former Soviet Union countries in the 1990s caused a dramatic increase in mortality, shortened life expectancy, and led to depopulation.
"In Eastern European countries (including East Germany), in most cases life expectancy fell by 2-3 years at the beginning of the 1990s; the most pronounced decline was observed for men in their 40s and 50s.
"In Russia, the steep upsurge in mortality and the decline in life expectancy were the biggest ever recorded anywhere in peacetime and in the absence of physical catastrophes, such as wars, plague, or famine."
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Crackers are swine food.Communist swine are no better than nazis. They are to be treated as they wish to teat their own people. Let 'em starve.
I know dozens of first generation immigrants.Your "success" is largely an accident of birth.I went from poverty to wealth in my life and comfortably retired in my 50’s.
Care to share a similar story in Communism?
Americans have prospered by exploiting the natural resources and human capital of other countries.
How did capitalism affect life expectancy in Russia after the fall of communism?
File:Life expectancy USSR.png - Wikimedia Commons
Mortality and life expectancy in post-communist countries
"The transition to the market economy and democracy in Eastern Europe and former Soviet Union countries in the 1990s caused a dramatic increase in mortality, shortened life expectancy, and led to depopulation.
"In Eastern European countries (including East Germany), in most cases life expectancy fell by 2-3 years at the beginning of the 1990s; the most pronounced decline was observed for men in their 40s and 50s.
"In Russia, the steep upsurge in mortality and the decline in life expectancy were the biggest ever recorded anywhere in peacetime and in the absence of physical catastrophes, such as wars, plague, or famine."
A. They moved here because of America’s economic system of Capitalism.
B. They are all very much more well off economically than when they came here.
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Economy for All – Independent Media Institute
"Like all previous economic systems in recorded history, capitalism is on track to repeat the same three-step trip: birth, evolution, and death.
"The timing and other specifics of each system’s trip differ.
"Births and evolutions are commonly experienced as positive, celebrated for their progress and promise.
The declines and deaths, however, are often denied and usually feel difficult and depressing..."
"Signs of decline accumulate.
"The last 40 years of slow economic growth have seen the top 10 percent take nearly all of it.
"The other 90 percent suffered constricted real wage growth that drove them to borrow massively (for homes, cars, credit cards, and college expenses). Their creditors were, of course, mostly that same 10 percent."
"Like all previous economic systems in recorded history, capitalism is on track to repeat the same three-step trip: birth, evolution, and death.
"The timing and other specifics of each system’s trip differ.
"Births and evolutions are commonly experienced as positive, celebrated for their progress and promise.
The declines and deaths, however, are often denied and usually feel difficult and depressing..."
"Signs of decline accumulate.
"The last 40 years of slow economic growth have seen the top 10 percent take nearly all of it.
"The other 90 percent suffered constricted real wage growth that drove them to borrow massively (for homes, cars, credit cards, and college expenses). Their creditors were, of course, mostly that same 10 percent."
You’re free to go to your paradise nation.Economy for All – Independent Media Institute
"Like all previous economic systems in recorded history, capitalism is on track to repeat the same three-step trip: birth, evolution, and death.
"The timing and other specifics of each system’s trip differ.
"Births and evolutions are commonly experienced as positive, celebrated for their progress and promise.
The declines and deaths, however, are often denied and usually feel difficult and depressing..."
"Signs of decline accumulate.
"The last 40 years of slow economic growth have seen the top 10 percent take nearly all of it.
"The other 90 percent suffered constricted real wage growth that drove them to borrow massively (for homes, cars, credit cards, and college expenses). Their creditors were, of course, mostly that same 10 percent."
But you’re full of shit, that’s why you want to live in America.
So why did Hitler kill communists and give a medal to Henry Ford, Rube?From 1933 to 1945 Germany is ruled by the political party that calls itself;
NATIONAL SOCIALIST German Workers Party
- can we get anything more anti-Capitalist in name and identity ???
So why did Stalin kill communists, twit?
ThunderKiss1965
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As usual an ignorant post shows up attacking Capitalism, while ignoring history's biggest killer of all:
You pulled that number directly out of your ass.
Confederate Soldier
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Crackers are swine food.Communist swine are no better than nazis. They are to be treated as they wish to teat their own people. Let 'em starve.
So are the bones of communist rats.
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Private wealth poisons society regardless of the dominant political ideology; however, capitalism is far more efficient in generating economic inequality.Dufus thinks every Commie leader lived in an 800 sq ft apartment and budgeted meals.
https://oxfamilibrary.openrepositor...p-public-good-or-private-wealth-210119-en.pdf
Stryder50
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May be time for some basics, especially since ti seems much of the USA education system has dropped the ball on this sort of subject.
Countering the message of the OP (Opening Post), a first start point would be understanding the essential difference between that of WEALTH versus MONEY. Two concepts often confused and mangled/mingled in dialogue and minds of some when dealing with economics. NOTE: going to start here with some basic applications and uses of the terms, ...
WEALTH = Goods or Services of Market Value such that others are willing to exchange their goods/services for such. basically engage in Trade (originally Barter).
en.wikipedia.org
MONEY = A device used to achieve two goals in dealing with Wealth;
1) A means(device) for measuring Wealth
2) A means/device to facilitate the exchange/trade in Wealth that circumvents the cumbersome and often inequitable process of Barter.
en.wikipedia.org
A "formula" I came across a few decades ago might be useful for consideration here;
((Human Energy(HE) times(x) Tools (T) [Knowledge/Skills; "picks-n-shovels"; Steamships, trains, planes and trucks; factories; Etc.] )) Plus (+) Resources(R) Equals(=) Wealth(W)
(HE x T) + R = W
Basically, humans doing something/stuff(working) will produce Wealth ...
... from crops to harvest, through to manufactured goods and consumables, etc.
The Value of those produced Goods and/or Services are Wealth and can be expressed and traded in Money.
Countering the message of the OP (Opening Post), a first start point would be understanding the essential difference between that of WEALTH versus MONEY. Two concepts often confused and mangled/mingled in dialogue and minds of some when dealing with economics. NOTE: going to start here with some basic applications and uses of the terms, ...
WEALTH = Goods or Services of Market Value such that others are willing to exchange their goods/services for such. basically engage in Trade (originally Barter).
Wealth - Wikipedia
MONEY = A device used to achieve two goals in dealing with Wealth;
1) A means(device) for measuring Wealth
2) A means/device to facilitate the exchange/trade in Wealth that circumvents the cumbersome and often inequitable process of Barter.
Money - Wikipedia
A "formula" I came across a few decades ago might be useful for consideration here;
((Human Energy(HE) times(x) Tools (T) [Knowledge/Skills; "picks-n-shovels"; Steamships, trains, planes and trucks; factories; Etc.] )) Plus (+) Resources(R) Equals(=) Wealth(W)
(HE x T) + R = W
Basically, humans doing something/stuff(working) will produce Wealth ...
... from crops to harvest, through to manufactured goods and consumables, etc.
The Value of those produced Goods and/or Services are Wealth and can be expressed and traded in Money.
Stryder50
Platinum Member
6 Key Takeaways Every Student Should Receive from Econ 101
A more widespread understanding of Econ 101 would reduce the likelihood of destructive government policies winning public support.
...
In a 2015 podcast conversation with American Enterprise Institute President Arthur Brooks, Vox’s Ezra Klein declared that “there’s nothing more dangerous than somebody who’s just taken their first economics class.” Often expressing a similar contempt for Econ 101 is University of Connecticut law professor James Kwak.
This expressed skepticism of Econ 101 comes across as wise and sophisticated—even hip—to many people who don’t grasp Econ 101. And it gives the mistaken impression that those who warn of the alleged folly of taking Econ 101 too seriously are experts not only in elementary economics but also in advanced economics.
Yet this contemptuous dismissal of the relevance of Econ 101 is foolish. Those who express it either really don’t know any economics whatsoever or mistakenly presume that the theoretical curiosities explored in Econ 999 are more relevant than is the reality revealed by Econ 101. But the truth is that Econ 101 taught well supplies ample, important, and timeless insights into the way the world works.
These insights, sadly, are far too rare among those who are unexposed to elementary economics.
...
But it doesn’t follow from these observations that knowledge merely of economic principles is “dangerous.” The young person who absorbs Econ 101 but who takes no further courses in economics will nevertheless, and for the rest of his or her life, possess a genuine understanding of reality that is distressingly rare among politicians, pundits, preachers, and the general public. Far from being a danger to society, this person—inoculated against the worst and most virulent strands of economic ignorance—will serve as a beneficial check on the spread of ideas that are dodgy and sometimes perilous.
The true danger is not knowledge of “only” Econ 101. The true danger is ignorance even of Econ 101.
....
They’re called economic principles for a good reason: What is taught in a solid economic-principles course are the principles of the operation of a competitive economy guided by market prices. They describe the logic of markets and, accordingly, in most cases offer a trustworthy guide for understanding the economy—and an understanding of the consequences of government interventions into the economy.
It’s true that reality sometimes serves up circumstances that render knowledge only of economic principles inadequate. But if economic principles did not on most occasions give reliable and useful insights into how real-world economies actually operate, they would be anti-principles. They ought not be taught, and students should demand tuition refunds along with compensation for being defrauded by their colleges.
But in fact, again, enormously important insights are conveyed in a good Econ 101 course. Here’s just a partial list of what an attentive Econ 101 student learns:
1. Our world is one of unavoidable scarcity, and so to use more resources to produce guns is to have fewer resources available to produce butter. There’s no such thing as a free lunch, a free gun, or a free anything else.
2. Wealth is goods and services; wealth is not money. And so to create more money without creating more goods and services is to create not more wealth but only more inflation—along with the distortions and uncertainties that inflation unleashes.
3. When the cost that a person incurs to take some action rises, the attractiveness to that person of taking that action falls. This fact is why higher taxes on carbon emissions reduce carbon emissions and why higher taxes on income-earning activities reduce income-earning activities.
4. Profits are entrepreneurs’ reward for successfully satisfying consumers’ wants; profits are neither stolen from consumers nor extracted from workers. Therefore, the greater the good performed in the market by entrepreneurs, the higher the entrepreneurs’ profits.
5. Prices and wages aren’t arbitrary. They’re set in markets by consumers competing against each other to purchase goods and services and by sellers competing against each other to sell goods and services. Sellers in competitive markets no more control prices than do buyers.
6. Because of the principle of comparative advantage, it’s literally impossible for one country to monopolize the production of all goods and services.
I submit that these and other lessons taught in Econ 101 are vitally significant and need not await being polished and conditioned by the lessons of higher-level economics courses before becoming immensely useful. Far from being dangerous, these and other Econ 101 lessons are beautiful and essential.
...
fee.org
A more widespread understanding of Econ 101 would reduce the likelihood of destructive government policies winning public support.
...
In a 2015 podcast conversation with American Enterprise Institute President Arthur Brooks, Vox’s Ezra Klein declared that “there’s nothing more dangerous than somebody who’s just taken their first economics class.” Often expressing a similar contempt for Econ 101 is University of Connecticut law professor James Kwak.
This expressed skepticism of Econ 101 comes across as wise and sophisticated—even hip—to many people who don’t grasp Econ 101. And it gives the mistaken impression that those who warn of the alleged folly of taking Econ 101 too seriously are experts not only in elementary economics but also in advanced economics.
Yet this contemptuous dismissal of the relevance of Econ 101 is foolish. Those who express it either really don’t know any economics whatsoever or mistakenly presume that the theoretical curiosities explored in Econ 999 are more relevant than is the reality revealed by Econ 101. But the truth is that Econ 101 taught well supplies ample, important, and timeless insights into the way the world works.
These insights, sadly, are far too rare among those who are unexposed to elementary economics.
...
But it doesn’t follow from these observations that knowledge merely of economic principles is “dangerous.” The young person who absorbs Econ 101 but who takes no further courses in economics will nevertheless, and for the rest of his or her life, possess a genuine understanding of reality that is distressingly rare among politicians, pundits, preachers, and the general public. Far from being a danger to society, this person—inoculated against the worst and most virulent strands of economic ignorance—will serve as a beneficial check on the spread of ideas that are dodgy and sometimes perilous.
The true danger is not knowledge of “only” Econ 101. The true danger is ignorance even of Econ 101.
....
They’re called economic principles for a good reason: What is taught in a solid economic-principles course are the principles of the operation of a competitive economy guided by market prices. They describe the logic of markets and, accordingly, in most cases offer a trustworthy guide for understanding the economy—and an understanding of the consequences of government interventions into the economy.
It’s true that reality sometimes serves up circumstances that render knowledge only of economic principles inadequate. But if economic principles did not on most occasions give reliable and useful insights into how real-world economies actually operate, they would be anti-principles. They ought not be taught, and students should demand tuition refunds along with compensation for being defrauded by their colleges.
But in fact, again, enormously important insights are conveyed in a good Econ 101 course. Here’s just a partial list of what an attentive Econ 101 student learns:
1. Our world is one of unavoidable scarcity, and so to use more resources to produce guns is to have fewer resources available to produce butter. There’s no such thing as a free lunch, a free gun, or a free anything else.
2. Wealth is goods and services; wealth is not money. And so to create more money without creating more goods and services is to create not more wealth but only more inflation—along with the distortions and uncertainties that inflation unleashes.
3. When the cost that a person incurs to take some action rises, the attractiveness to that person of taking that action falls. This fact is why higher taxes on carbon emissions reduce carbon emissions and why higher taxes on income-earning activities reduce income-earning activities.
4. Profits are entrepreneurs’ reward for successfully satisfying consumers’ wants; profits are neither stolen from consumers nor extracted from workers. Therefore, the greater the good performed in the market by entrepreneurs, the higher the entrepreneurs’ profits.
5. Prices and wages aren’t arbitrary. They’re set in markets by consumers competing against each other to purchase goods and services and by sellers competing against each other to sell goods and services. Sellers in competitive markets no more control prices than do buyers.
6. Because of the principle of comparative advantage, it’s literally impossible for one country to monopolize the production of all goods and services.
I submit that these and other lessons taught in Econ 101 are vitally significant and need not await being polished and conditioned by the lessons of higher-level economics courses before becoming immensely useful. Far from being dangerous, these and other Econ 101 lessons are beautiful and essential.
...
6 Key Takeaways Every Student Should Receive from Econ 101
Despite popular skepticism of introductory economics classes, the truth is that Econ 101 taught well supplies ample, important, and timeless insights into the way the world works.
fee.org
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