Capitalism is NOT Democratic: Democracy is NOT Capitalist

[georgephillip]

I was mocking your stupid question with a stupid answer. Do you have a point, so-crates?

Nothing an advocate of extreme right-wing private tyranny would grasp, Von Mi$-e$

 

[georgephillip]

Big Pharma, he literally said the same company is selling it in Canada
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We get fucked here because Canada won’t pay full price and Americans are left subsidizing the cost for their meds

"When lawmakers created Medicare's Part D outpatient prescription drug program in 2003, they barred Medicare from negotiating prices.

"Republicans who controlled Congress at the time wanted insurers that administer drug plans to do the haggling. Medicare was sidelined, despite decades of experience setting prices for hospitals, doctors and nursing homes.

Ban on negotiating Medicare drug prices under pressure

"'I don't know of any other situation where the government has one hand tied behind its back when dealing with people like big pharma,' said Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., who is leading efforts to draft the Democratic plan in the Senate."

 

[Flopper]

Do you have a response?

The Marxist Perspective on Crime

"Capitalism is Criminogenic​

"Many Marxists see crime as a natural ‘outgrowth’ of the capitalist system. The Capitalist system can be said to be criminogenic in three major ways –

1. "Capitalism encourages individuals to pursue self-interest rather than public duty
2. Capitalism encourages individuals to be materialistic consumers, making us aspire to an unrealistic and often unattainable lifestyle.
3. Capitalism in its wake generates massive inequality and poverty, conditions which are correlated with higher crime rates."

Both Capitalism and Socialism are competing economic theories which can not be sustained in the real world. Unfettered capitalism may be the best economic system ever devised, but one of its drawbacks is that it provides financial incentives to distort the political and judicial system and to harm and even kill people for sake of profits. Pure socialism destroys the incentive to succeed. Working for the good of the group or mankind is a noble idea but in reality, productivity is far less than when one works for the good of one's self. Both socialisms and capitalism exist in almost all nations. Balancing the two competing ideologies provides the highest level of productivity commensurate with the social well being of society. It is is the balance between these to two ideologies that all nations should strive.

 

[Leviticus]

Neither is socialism. Every country that has ever exists thats used only socialism has ended in dictatorship.

 

[georgephillip]

Speak for yourself. That's not my worldview. And I don't really know anyone who would claim that as general premise. It's just more socialist propaganda. Strawman for the win!

Only slavish libertarians would confuse "the unconscious mental habits we use to make sense of the world" with a strawman.

If you had bothered to scan my link you would see the evidence is clearly on display in today's financial statements

The Divine Right of Capital by Marjorie Kelly

"All societies have world views, the 'unconscious mental habits' we use to make sense of the world – so deep, so pervasive as to be invisible.

"Aristocratic society in feudal times based its membership on property ownership.

"Back then, it was land.

"Today it’s wealth, or financial assets.

"Throughout the book, Kelly draws a connection between feudal aristocracy and our modern aristocracy, the wealthy shareholder.

"Today, our worldview has a bias – that stockholders are to be paid as much as possible, while employees are to be paid as little as possible.

"'Income for one group is declared good, and income for another group is declared bad.'

"Nowhere is this more clear than in our financial statements."

 

[Flopper]

Neither is socialism. Every country that has ever exists thats used only socialism has ended in dictatorship.

Neither Socialism nor Capitalism has ever been successfully implement. Attempts to implement pure socialism leads to totalitarian rule. Unfettered capitalism has only existed where goverment is weak or corrupt.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

"'Income for one group is declared good, and income for another group is declared bad.'

Baloney.

"Nowhere is this more clear than in our financial statements."

Where does a financial statement say that?

 

[dblack]

Neither Socialism nor Capitalism has ever been successfully implement.

I don't get this comment. I hear it a lot, and I guess people think it comes off as wise or moderate. But it's kind of meaningless. Immortality has never been "successfully implemented" either. Does that mean should stop trying to live longer? The question is whether we should aim for Capitalism or Socialism? Which do you want more of? Which do you want less of?

Unfettered capitalism has only existed where goverment is weak or corrupt.

That's another phrase that's become popular with socialists in recent years: "unfettered capitalism". What is that supposed to mean? Do you mean unrestricted trade? Or do you mean lawlessness? They're different. Capitalism can't exist in a state of lawlessness.

 

[elektra]

I don't support certain aspects of our current society like this one:

"Today, our worldview has a bias – that stockholders are to be paid as much as possible, while employees are to be paid as little as possible."

Do you?

The Divine Right of Capital by Marjorie Kelly

I work for a stockholder company. I make 160k a year. No college degree.

Again georgieporgie shows his deep ignorance of the big world outside his tiny brain.

 

[georgephillip]

Stockbrokers are employees, nimrod.

What do they produce?

 

[dblack]

What do they produce?

Resource allocation. We've talked about that. Do you need a remedial course?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

What do they produce?

Jeremy Corbyn.....calling someone a parasite. Hilarious!!!

 

[georgephillip]

What's the lie?

The Business Roundtable, MiBiz and the free-market lie

Why Free Market Ideology is a Double Lie - Evonomics

 

[bripat9643]

The Business Roundtable, MiBiz and the free-market lie

Why Free Market Ideology is a Double Lie - Evonomics

In other words, no lie.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Business Roundtable, MiBiz and the free-market lie

Why Free Market Ideology is a Double Lie - Evonomics

Blair is a political economist based in Toronto. He researches how energy use and income inequality relate to social hierarchy.

So he's never had a real job.

 

[dblack]

Blair is a political economist based in Toronto. He researches how energy use and income inequality relate to social hierarchy.

So he's never had a real job.

Shilling for socialism is a real job. Just ask georgephillip.

 

[themirrorthief]

Finance capitalism is transforming US democracy into an oligarchy, something neither Trump nor Biden has any problem with.

broke people have no freedom

 

[themirrorthief]

The New Deal created the greatest middle class in history after capitalism collapsed the global economy in 1929. Central planning won both world wars in the 20th century. By early 2020 when the MAGA pandemic first began shutting down the world economy, 87 million US residents lacked adequate healthcare and 40% could not afford an unexpected $400 expense.

In the richest country in history 40 million people were poor, half of all workers lived paycheck to paycheck, and 12% of the population had experienced food insecurity at some point during the preceding year.

That's what capitalism does.
It consolidates wealth in fewer and fewer hands with each passing generation.
Only slaves call that freedom.

this so bs the crash of 29 happened due to massive borrowing to pay for a colossal war in europe when they couldnt pay the banks banks went under

 

[dblack]

broke people have no freedom

You're confusing freedom with empowerment.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Shilling for socialism is a real job. Just ask georgephillip.

He did it his entire life, still has nothing.