Can you provide evidence that Obama's policies are the direct reason for the...

[DiamondDave]

Unemployment is a classic lagging economic indicator. We were bleeding jobs when Obama came into office as a result of the Bush economic meltdown of late 2008.

Yet all the stuff during the Bush early presidency was all out on Bush.... wonder why wingers like this have that double standard, eh??

 

[Stephanie]

...increase in unemployment rate during his presidency?

Keep in my mind that Obama said in mid 2009 that he expected the unemployment rate would likely rise to 10% in the next couple of years.

Obama Sees 10% Unemployment Rate, Chides Wall Street Critics - Bloomberg

I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on Obama simply because he is president.
Obama has created 2.5 million jobs and saved even more. I do agree he could have done more (how much?), but I have yet to be convinced that Obama is the reason why the unemployment rate is as high as it is.

I really am open to answers on this. I want answers that illlustrate how his policies have been detrimental on a national level.

no you're not.

 

[The Rabbi]

There are fewer people working today than when Obama took office. How do you spin that as good?

Increased employment is celebrated. Democrats attempting to claim it was all them is laughable.

No, actually it isn't. But let's take a look at some of the reasons WHY the unemployment numbers continue to be high, shall we?

Governments continued to shed jobs, however, with local governments laying off 35,000 people and the troubled U.S. Postal Services eliminating 5,000 jobs.​

Job growth picks up in September

I thought that WOULD be something a conservative celebrates, smaller government. The Boehner is the one that said "if we lose 200,000 jobs...so be it". (Paraphrased)

And besides, the unemployment numbers ARE dropping.

November jobs report: Hiring up, unemployment down

Which ya'll still try to spin as somehow bad. You know what, at some point, you simply have to chalk it up to ODS.

Look at the numbers carefully. The unemployment rate is down because fewer people are looking for jobs, not because that many more people are working.
The November numbers suck. They point to a workforce getting discouraged and dropping out, not a fundamental improvement in the jobs picture.

 

[Mr.Nick]

...increase in unemployment rate during his presidency?

Keep in my mind that Obama said in mid 2009 that he expected the unemployment rate would likely rise to 10% in the next couple of years.

Obama Sees 10% Unemployment Rate, Chides Wall Street Critics - Bloomberg

I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on Obama simply because he is president.
Obama has created 2.5 million jobs and saved even more. I do agree he could have done more (how much?), but I have yet to be convinced that Obama is the reason why the unemployment rate is as high as it is.

I really am open to answers on this. I want answers that illlustrate how his policies have been detrimental on a national level.

How about the stimulus'

NLRB Boeing

Pipeline

Gulf Coast Oil platforms out of business

He's lost more jobs than he's bothered to count cause he's covering up that like a cat covers up shit.

when he talks about jobs all he cares about are "union" jobs.. the rest of America can root hog and die poor.

Bingo...

 

[Oldstyle]

...increase in unemployment rate during his presidency?

Keep in my mind that Obama said in mid 2009 that he expected the unemployment rate would likely rise to 10% in the next couple of years.

Obama Sees 10% Unemployment Rate, Chides Wall Street Critics - Bloomberg

I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on Obama simply because he is president.
Obama has created 2.5 million jobs and saved even more. I do agree he could have done more (how much?), but I have yet to be convinced that Obama is the reason why the unemployment rate is as high as it is.

I really am open to answers on this. I want answers that illlustrate how his policies have been detrimental on a national level.

Come on, Billy...Barack Obama's primary focus in 2009 was ObamaCare and NOT the economy. His economic team made the calculation that the economy would rebound from the recession DESPITE his concentrating most of his time and political capital on trying to pass a series of "progressive's wet dreams...government funded health care, Cap & Trade, and Card Check. Then they used the Obama Stimulus to take care of his pals in "Green Energy", his union friends in the public sector and unemployment benefit extensions to keep those out of work mollified while they didn't let a crisis "go to waste".

What's amusing to me is that people like yourself seem oblivious to the goals that Obama had that he couldn't get moderate Democrats to vote for. It's not like Obama didn't push hard for Cap & Trade legislation because he did. The Blue Dog Democrats wouldn't sign on to that bill because they knew that they would be held responsible for the resulting job losses. The same with Card Check. In the meantime business was sitting on their hands reluctant to make investments because of the uncertainty of the situation.

 

[Wry Catcher]

...increase in unemployment rate during his presidency?

Keep in my mind that Obama said in mid 2009 that he expected the unemployment rate would likely rise to 10% in the next couple of years.

Obama Sees 10% Unemployment Rate, Chides Wall Street Critics - Bloomberg

I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on Obama simply because he is president.
Obama has created 2.5 million jobs and saved even more. I do agree he could have done more (how much?), but I have yet to be convinced that Obama is the reason why the unemployment rate is as high as it is.

I really am open to answers on this. I want answers that illlustrate how his policies have been detrimental on a national level.

Yeah, well it was Barry's administration in Jan. '09 that claimed the (failed) stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, and I don't recall our esteemed president calling out his people over it. So he can stick whatever he might have said about unemployment later in the year up his keister.

The fear was great when Obama took office, he did the proper thing by not fanning the flames of fear and had the fear mongers on the right cooperated we might very well be further on the road to recovery. Because the right is bereft of ideas, fear is their greatest tool so any course of action was met with a cacophony of "Socialism", "Marxism" and concerns about the President's birth certificate or religion. The same right which supported tax cuts and two wars off budget now worry about spending. Hypocrisy thy name is Republican.

Only an idiot would have suggested to the American public, "hey folks, it's only just begun. Protect your money, only buy essentials and get all you can out of your bank before it disappears".

Let's be clear, the Great Recession occured on the watch of George W. Bush. The near economic collapse occured in October 2008 before President Obama has been elected and while George W. Bush was still POTUS. The Great Recession has many fathers, but the immutable fact remains - no matter how often the right lies and blames others - on the watch of George W. Bush.

 

[hortysir]

It's one helluva coincidence

 

[WillowTree]

where did billy go? cat got his tongue???

 

[The T]

where did billy go? cat got his tongue???

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[eflatminor]

Obama has created 2.5 million jobs...

Government cannot create jobs, it can only take them. Any money used by government to hire someone must first be taken OUT of the economy, typically from the most productive and likely-to-hire-others citizens. Then that money gets run through corrupt and inefficient bureaucracies before a dime can be spent on any "stimulus" hiring.

Saying Obama created jobs is like you walking into a grocery store, taking money from the register, then handing it to a homeless guy (less your expenses and whatever fell through that hole in your pocket of course), then calling it stimulus when that homeless guy walks into the grocery store to buy beer. You took the money from the job creator and gave it to the guy least likely to hire anyone. That's job creation for imbeciles.

 

[The T]

Obama has created 2.5 million jobs...

Government cannot create jobs, it can only take them. Any money used by government to hire someone must first be taken OUT of the economy, typically from the most productive and likely-to-hire-others citizens. Then that money gets run through corrupt and inefficient bureaucracies before a dime can be spent on any "stimulus" hiring.

Saying Obama created jobs is like you walking into a grocery store, taking money from the register, then handing it to a homeless guy (less your expenses and whatever fell through that hole in your pocket of course), then calling it stimulus when that homeless guy walks into the grocery store to buy beer. You took the money from the job creator and gave it to the guy least likely to hire anyone. That's job creation for imbeciles.

The only way Gubmint creates jobs is getting the hell out of the way.

 

[Oldstyle]

...increase in unemployment rate during his presidency?

Keep in my mind that Obama said in mid 2009 that he expected the unemployment rate would likely rise to 10% in the next couple of years.

Obama Sees 10% Unemployment Rate, Chides Wall Street Critics - Bloomberg

I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on Obama simply because he is president.
Obama has created 2.5 million jobs and saved even more. I do agree he could have done more (how much?), but I have yet to be convinced that Obama is the reason why the unemployment rate is as high as it is.

I really am open to answers on this. I want answers that illlustrate how his policies have been detrimental on a national level.

Yeah, well it was Barry's administration in Jan. '09 that claimed the (failed) stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, and I don't recall our esteemed president calling out his people over it. So he can stick whatever he might have said about unemployment later in the year up his keister.

The fear was great when Obama took office, he did the proper thing by not fanning the flames of fear and had the fear mongers on the right cooperated we might very well be further on the road to recovery. Because the right is bereft of ideas, fear is their greatest tool so any course of action was met with a cacophony of "Socialism", "Marxism" and concerns about the President's birth certificate or religion. The same right which supported tax cuts and two wars off budget now worry about spending. Hypocrisy thy name is Republican.

Only an idiot would have suggested to the American public, "hey folks, it's only just begun. Protect your money, only buy essentials and get all you can out of your bank before it disappears".

Let's be clear, the Great Recession occured on the watch of George W. Bush. The near economic collapse occured in October 2008 before President Obama has been elected and while George W. Bush was still POTUS. The Great Recession has many fathers, but the immutable fact remains - no matter how often the right lies and blames others - on the watch of George W. Bush.

I guess you can make the point that the Great Recession did start during W's "watch", Catcher but to blame HIM when the Democrats controlled the House and repeatedly ignored Bush's calls to fix the problems in the housing market especially with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is kind of amusing. How much less severe would this crisis have been if Barney Frank and Chris Dodd hadn't pooh poohed W's concerns as baseless and actually done something about them?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Obama has created 2.5 million jobs...

Government cannot create jobs, it can only take them. Any money used by government to hire someone must first be taken OUT of the economy, typically from the most productive and likely-to-hire-others citizens. Then that money gets run through corrupt and inefficient bureaucracies before a dime can be spent on any "stimulus" hiring.

Saying Obama created jobs is like you walking into a grocery store, taking money from the register, then handing it to a homeless guy (less your expenses and whatever fell through that hole in your pocket of course), then calling it stimulus when that homeless guy walks into the grocery store to buy beer. You took the money from the job creator and gave it to the guy least likely to hire anyone. That's job creation for imbeciles.

Government can create jobs. Governments always have and always will; stupid partisan hacks will continue to state otherwise because they are too lazy to critically think through the issue.

The National Highway Act of 1956 is a perfect counterpoint to the oft used and never proved postulate "Government cannot create jobs". Drive along any interstate and count the businesses on frontage roads - food, gas, lodging by the hundreds of thousands.

 

[Stephanie]

Yeah, well it was Barry's administration in Jan. '09 that claimed the (failed) stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, and I don't recall our esteemed president calling out his people over it. So he can stick whatever he might have said about unemployment later in the year up his keister.

The fear was great when Obama took office, he did the proper thing by not fanning the flames of fear and had the fear mongers on the right cooperated we might very well be further on the road to recovery. Because the right is bereft of ideas, fear is their greatest tool so any course of action was met with a cacophony of "Socialism", "Marxism" and concerns about the President's birth certificate or religion. The same right which supported tax cuts and two wars off budget now worry about spending. Hypocrisy thy name is Republican.

Only an idiot would have suggested to the American public, "hey folks, it's only just begun. Protect your money, only buy essentials and get all you can out of your bank before it disappears".

Let's be clear, the Great Recession occured on the watch of George W. Bush. The near economic collapse occured in October 2008 before President Obama has been elected and while George W. Bush was still POTUS. The Great Recession has many fathers, but the immutable fact remains - no matter how often the right lies and blames others - on the watch of George W. Bush.

I guess you can make the point that the Great Recession did start during W's "watch", Catcher but to blame HIM when the Democrats controlled the House and repeatedly ignored Bush's calls to fix the problems in the housing market especially with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is kind of amusing. How much less severe would this crisis have been if Barney Frank and Chris Dodd hadn't pooh poohed W's concerns as baseless and actually done something about them?

according to the left, the Democrats had no hands in NOTHING. it's all Bush's fault and they are going to stick with that.

 

[The T]

Yeah, well it was Barry's administration in Jan. '09 that claimed the (failed) stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, and I don't recall our esteemed president calling out his people over it. So he can stick whatever he might have said about unemployment later in the year up his keister.

The fear was great when Obama took office, he did the proper thing by not fanning the flames of fear and had the fear mongers on the right cooperated we might very well be further on the road to recovery. Because the right is bereft of ideas, fear is their greatest tool so any course of action was met with a cacophony of "Socialism", "Marxism" and concerns about the President's birth certificate or religion. The same right which supported tax cuts and two wars off budget now worry about spending. Hypocrisy thy name is Republican.

Only an idiot would have suggested to the American public, "hey folks, it's only just begun. Protect your money, only buy essentials and get all you can out of your bank before it disappears".

Let's be clear, the Great Recession occured on the watch of George W. Bush. The near economic collapse occured in October 2008 before President Obama has been elected and while George W. Bush was still POTUS. The Great Recession has many fathers, but the immutable fact remains - no matter how often the right lies and blames others - on the watch of George W. Bush.

I guess you can make the point that the Great Recession did start during W's "watch", Catcher but to blame HIM when the Democrats controlled the House and repeatedly ignored Bush's calls to fix the problems in the housing market especially with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is kind of amusing. How much less severe would this crisis have been if Barney Frank and Chris Dodd hadn't pooh poohed W's concerns as baseless and actually done something about them?

W did have a hard time finding that Veto Pen with the 'Compassionate Conservatism' didn't he?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Yeah, well it was Barry's administration in Jan. '09 that claimed the (failed) stimulus would keep unemployment below 8%, and I don't recall our esteemed president calling out his people over it. So he can stick whatever he might have said about unemployment later in the year up his keister.

The fear was great when Obama took office, he did the proper thing by not fanning the flames of fear and had the fear mongers on the right cooperated we might very well be further on the road to recovery. Because the right is bereft of ideas, fear is their greatest tool so any course of action was met with a cacophony of "Socialism", "Marxism" and concerns about the President's birth certificate or religion. The same right which supported tax cuts and two wars off budget now worry about spending. Hypocrisy thy name is Republican.

Only an idiot would have suggested to the American public, "hey folks, it's only just begun. Protect your money, only buy essentials and get all you can out of your bank before it disappears".

Let's be clear, the Great Recession occured on the watch of George W. Bush. The near economic collapse occured in October 2008 before President Obama has been elected and while George W. Bush was still POTUS. The Great Recession has many fathers, but the immutable fact remains - no matter how often the right lies and blames others - on the watch of George W. Bush.

I guess you can make the point that the Great Recession did start during W's "watch", Catcher but to blame HIM when the Democrats controlled the House and repeatedly ignored Bush's calls to fix the problems in the housing market especially with Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is kind of amusing. How much less severe would this crisis have been if Barney Frank and Chris Dodd hadn't pooh poohed W's concerns as baseless and actually done something about them?

You, "guess" I can make the point that the Great Recession started in on Bush's watch? Off course it did, and Bush as well as many many others knew the housing situtation was not sustainable. To suggest two Democrats has so much power that the POTUS and his economic advisers couldn't do anything is not only disengenuous but borders on mendacity.

Bush wanted war and got it. He sent his entire team out on the Sunday Morning news shows to beat the drums of war - Rice, Rumfeld, Powell, Cheney - all warned of the danger Saddam presented to our nation. Knowing the economy was to be challenged by the housing situation we heard nothing from Bush on the issue.

btw, the Republicans controlled the House from January 1993 until January 2007 and again from January 2011 until today ( the 104th Congress to the 109th Congress, and now the 112th Congress which may go down as the most inept, ineffective and ideological in our nation's history).

 

[code1211]

Unemployment is a classic lagging economic indicator. We were bleeding jobs when Obama came into office as a result of the Bush economic meltdown of late 2008.

This is a great example of the kind of thinking employed by those who still support the Big 0.

When the Big 0 took office, we had just entered into a recession. His policies were based on the fact that most recessions last between 12 and 18 months. He thought that regardless of anything that he did or did not do, he would get credit for the recovery which was almost certainly going to occur.

The recovery has yet to occur.

The question, then, is not what he might have done to create the recovery, but, rather, what has he done that stopped it.

Recoveries have always occurred within 12 to 18 months and this one has not.

Bush has been out of office for 3 years. He has no effect on what the Big 0 is doing. This is the property and fault of the Big 0.

If you refuse to acknowledge the actual cause, you will never correct that cause and find a solution.

Those who still support the Big 0 have no grasp of reality.

You wingers need to huddle up and get your facts straight. I just read in another thread from PoliticalChic..........

The fastest growth periods were 1983-1990 and 1992-2004, known as the Reagan boom.

So according to HER "source" Reagan still had effects on the economy 20 YEARS LATER. And she even tried to back it up with a link.

Personally I think you're all full of shit and would say anything to pin blame on Obama.

Keeping in mind that the price per gallon of gas is way up, the number of people employed is way down and the tax base continues to shrink due to fewer and fewer jobs, which policies implemented by the Big 0 have helped the economy?

Nobody needs to "pin blame" on Obama. If his policies are working, then there's no "blame" to pin on anyone. If there is blame, it's his. No convoluted train of logic. either it's better or it's not. It's not.

As far as i can tell, Obama's only real new idea is to reduce the amount of money going to support the Social Security Trust Fund. That's brilliant, isn't it? Reducing the amount of money that flows to support a program, that is already going down the tubes.

What's the reason that you "personally" think fits the bad economy, that lack of a solution and the forecast of continued failure of our leader to lead us into the good times they promise?

 

[Samson]

...increase in unemployment rate during his presidency?

Keep in my mind that Obama said in mid 2009 that he expected the unemployment rate would likely rise to 10% in the next couple of years.

Obama Sees 10% Unemployment Rate, Chides Wall Street Critics - Bloomberg

I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on Obama simply because he is president.
Obama has created 2.5 million jobs and saved even more. I do agree he could have done more (how much?), but I have yet to be convinced that Obama is the reason why the unemployment rate is as high as it is.

I really am open to answers on this. I want answers that illlustrate how his policies have been detrimental on a national level.

We don't have to provide evidence of jack shit. all we need to no is that unemployment is 8.6%

Gas is up

food is up

energy is up

Solyndra

Fast and Furious

He'll say NO to the piple line.. unemployment will stay way the hell up

After Christmas it's go back up up up

He stays on vacation or the golf course

Eric Holder

OWS

Napalitano

And a 15 Trillion dollar debt..


Oh and he.s cost people their jobs in coal and oil.. and many many many small business have gone out of business..


All of this is BAD BAD BAD

All we need to "no?"



You're not helping.

 

[Oddball]

...increase in unemployment rate during his presidency?

Keep in my mind that Obama said in mid 2009 that he expected the unemployment rate would likely rise to 10% in the next couple of years.

Obama Sees 10% Unemployment Rate, Chides Wall Street Critics - Bloomberg

I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on Obama simply because he is president.
Obama has created 2.5 million jobs and saved even more. I do agree he could have done more (how much?), but I have yet to be convinced that Obama is the reason why the unemployment rate is as high as it is.

I really am open to answers on this. I want answers that illlustrate how his policies have been detrimental on a national level.

Come on, Billy...Barack Obama's primary focus in 2009 was ObamaCare and NOT the economy. His economic team made the calculation that the economy would rebound from the recession DESPITE his concentrating most of his time and political capital on trying to pass a series of "progressive's wet dreams...government funded health care, Cap & Trade, and Card Check. Then they used the Obama Stimulus to take care of his pals in "Green Energy", his union friends in the public sector and unemployment benefit extensions to keep those out of work mollified while they didn't let a crisis "go to waste".

What's amusing to me is that people like yourself seem oblivious to the goals that Obama had that he couldn't get moderate Democrats to vote for. It's not like Obama didn't push hard for Cap & Trade legislation because he did. The Blue Dog Democrats wouldn't sign on to that bill because they knew that they would be held responsible for the resulting job losses. The same with Card Check. In the meantime business was sitting on their hands reluctant to make investments because of the uncertainty of the situation.

Don't waste your time and effort.

Fluffer tools like the OP couldn't care less what the detrimental effects of policies of their golden calf Boiking are.

Just ask them what evidence that they would accept and let the roaring silence speak for itself.

 

[WillowTree]

...increase in unemployment rate during his presidency?

Keep in my mind that Obama said in mid 2009 that he expected the unemployment rate would likely rise to 10% in the next couple of years.

Obama Sees 10% Unemployment Rate, Chides Wall Street Critics - Bloomberg

I don't think it's fair to put all of the blame on Obama simply because he is president.
Obama has created 2.5 million jobs and saved even more. I do agree he could have done more (how much?), but I have yet to be convinced that Obama is the reason why the unemployment rate is as high as it is.

I really am open to answers on this. I want answers that illlustrate how his policies have been detrimental on a national level.

We don't have to provide evidence of jack shit. all we need to no is that unemployment is 8.6%

Gas is up

food is up

energy is up

Solyndra

Fast and Furious

He'll say NO to the piple line.. unemployment will stay way the hell up

After Christmas it's go back up up up

He stays on vacation or the golf course

Eric Holder

OWS

Napalitano

And a 15 Trillion dollar debt..


Oh and he.s cost people their jobs in coal and oil.. and many many many small business have gone out of business..


All of this is BAD BAD BAD

All we need to "no?"



You're not helping.

No?