Debate Now Can You Choose To Be Gay?

[Hafar1014]

My theory is a small percentage are born Gay, a somewhat larger percentage swing both ways and the majority are born Straight.

Homosexuality is genetic. Twin studies confirm the genetic cause. Identical twins are both gay 53% of the time, fraternal twins 43, non twin siblings 23%. The pattern shows a definite genetic predisposition.
Experiences during development must switch it on but the gene must be present.
Its also a normal aspect of human sexuality and cant be proven other wise. Youre invited to try

 

[Hafar1014]

I've stayed out of this thread because I really don't have the answer. I think it's probably a combination of environment (domineering mothers in many cases) and genes but I wouldn't bet the farm on it.
I know it's pretty prevalent, whatever causes it.

Genetic predisposition and experiences to activate the gene proven by twin studies

 

[ChristisKing]

Its only a sin for you. Your morals cant apply to anyone else.
Homosexuality is genetic. Twin studies confirm the genetic cause.

True I agree with you on the first part, but do you have a link for the second part?

 

[Hafar1014]

Yes, an interesting phenomenon. But even this is found to possibky have a physical basis. And many inmates never go back to hetero or even bi, even after released.

Thats an abnormal model and cant be used to apply to homosexuality

 

[GLASNOST]

PRETENDING you don't know the difference between hearing/witnessing God or Jesus' words, and reading second/third/fourth rumours is your second lie. You have only one chance left to support your statement that homosexuality is a sin. What's it going to be? More lies? Or honesty? Anyone else reading this want to guess what it will be?

I honestly don't have a clue what you're talking about. I just made a simple mistake of where it was in the Bible.

That's lie number three. You're out.

 

[Hafar1014]

I am a Christian who has read the New Testament many times in nearly as many English translations. The only person in the New Testament who mentions homosexual behavior and who condemns it is St. Paul. In his epistles I have found evidence that he may have been a repressed homosexual.

In his epistle to the Romans 7:15-24 St. Paul writes:

For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
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Rom 7:16
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
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Rom 7:17
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
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Rom 7:18
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
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Rom 7:19
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
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Rom 7:20
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
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Rom 7:21
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I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.

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This reads like the agony of a man who hates the fact that he enjoys having sex with men, but who cannot stop.

In II Corinthians 12:7 St. Paul writes

And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure.

This could be chronic pain. It could also be homosexual inclination's.

It is not unusual for a repressed homosexual to be publicly intolerant of homosexuality

Your morals can only apply to you not anyone else

 

[Hafar1014]

True I agree with you on the first part, but do you have a link for the second part?

We are born with genes that are not switched on but can be by experiences during early development.

Twin studies show that genetics play a significant role in sexual orientation, but they are not the sole cause. Identical twins have a higher rate of shared sexual orientation than fraternal twins. However, because identical twins do not share it 100% of the time, non-genetic factors and environment are also involved.
National Institutes of Health (.gov) +3
The scientific consensus from twin studies and large-scale genetic research highlights several key points:

• Identical vs. Fraternal Rates: In classic twin studies, if one identical (monozygotic) twin is gay, the other twin has roughly a 50% chance of also being gay. For fraternal (dizygotic) twins—who share only half their genes—this concordance rate drops significantly, usually between 10% and 22%.
  Psychiatry Online +1
• Heritability Estimates: Behavioral scientists estimate that the heritability of sexual orientation ranges from 25% to 76%, depending on the study and the specific gender examined.
  EBSCO
• No Single "Gay Gene": Large DNA datasets (such as those from the UK Biobank and 23andMe) have debunked the idea of a single "gay gene". Instead, sexual behavior and orientation are highly complex traits influenced by thousands of minor genetic variations.
  Science | AAAS +3

 

[Mr Natural]

He didn't. Sin did.

He created everything. Homos included.

 

[ChristisKing]

That's lie number three. You're out.

What is this baseball?

We are born with genes that are not switched on but can be by experiences during early development.

Twin studies show that genetics play a significant role in sexual orientation, but they are not the sole cause. Identical twins have a higher rate of shared sexual orientation than fraternal twins. However, because identical twins do not share it 100% of the time, non-genetic factors and environment are also involved.
National Institutes of Health (.gov) +3
The scientific consensus from twin studies and large-scale genetic research highlights several key points:

• Identical vs. Fraternal Rates: In classic twin studies, if one identical (monozygotic) twin is gay, the other twin has roughly a 50% chance of also being gay. For fraternal (dizygotic) twins—who share only half their genes—this concordance rate drops significantly, usually between 10% and 22%.
  Psychiatry Online +1
• Heritability Estimates: Behavioral scientists estimate that the heritability of sexual orientation ranges from 25% to 76%, depending on the study and the specific gender examined.
  EBSCO
• No Single "Gay Gene": Large DNA datasets (such as those from the UK Biobank and 23andMe) have debunked the idea of a single "gay gene". Instead, sexual behavior and orientation are highly complex traits influenced by thousands of minor genetic variations.
  Science | AAAS +3

Interesting, but again do you have a link for this because I've never heard any of this before.

He created everything. Homos included.

Yes, but He didn't create homosexuality.

 

[Bad Bob]

Bringing this up because it came up in another topic. I have only one rule. Absolutely NO bashing anybody of the LGBT community (this doesn't include the sin of homosexuality itself) as this isn't what this discussion is about. Me personally, I think sexual preferences are a choice since I chose not to be a creep and attracted to children or animals, but feel free to discuss. (Oh and for the record obviously you choose to be Transgender.)

A person can choose to commit heterosexual or homosexual acts, but they can't choose to whom they are attracted.

Human sexuality, as with all mammals, is wired very deeply into our psyche since it's the basis for procreation. Animals need to mate in order to perpetuate the species. This need is wired into the DNA just like it is in all mammals including humans. The fact humans have a reasoning mind adds a layer of complexity to this basic desire.

Also of note, probably for evolutionary reasons, human beings tend to have a ~10% variation from the norm; e.g. color blindness, left-handedness, and non-heterosexual sexual preferences.

 

[Mr Natural]

What is this baseball?




Interesting, but again do you have a link for this because I've never heard any of this before.




Yes, but He didn't create homosexuality.

Of course He did. He created everything. Deal with it.

 

[LoveKimWexler]

No. If a gay man is as strongly attracted to men as I am to women, I would never stand in the way of him finding a partner, because I know what I would think if he stood in mine.

 

[Hafar1014]

What is this baseball?




Interesting, but again do you have a link for this because I've never heard any of this before.




Yes, but He didn't create homosexuality.

Homosexuality is a normal aspect of human sexuality. This isnt creation this is evolutionary development. One cant find anything objectively harmful or wrong with it. Go ahead and try you cant do it. Psychology removed it as a disorder in1974 for this reason.
Humans are created by their development over their existence. We change

 

[ChristisKing]

Of course He did. He created everything. Deal with it.

Why am I even arguing with you in the first place when you clearly don't know anything about the Bible?

Homosexuality is a normal aspect of human sexuality. This isnt creation this is evolutionary development. One cant find anything objectively harmful or wrong with it. Go ahead and try you cant do it. Psychology removed it as a disorder in1974 for this reason.
Humans are created by their development over their existence. We change

So, you don't have a link then for these interesting scientific findings?

 

[Hafar1014]

Why am I even arguing with you in the first place when you clearly don't know anything about the Bible?





So, you don't have a link then for these interesting scientific findings?

I gave it to you. Read the paragraph on epigenetics
Being gay or having same-sex attraction is not caused by one specific “gay gene.” Instead, it is a complex, polygenic trait. Genetics influence sexual orientation, but they do not exclusively determine it.
National Institutes of Health (.gov) +2
The Polygenic Influence
Large-scale DNA studies show that same-sex behavior is influenced by thousands of genetic variants scattered across the entire human genome. Individually, each of these genes has a tiny effect, but combined, they create a genetic predisposition or likelihood.
National Institutes of Health (.gov) +3
Heritability and Environmental Factors
Research—including twin studies—estimates that genetics account for about 30% to 40% of sexual orientation, while the remaining 60% to 70% is driven by non-genetic factors. This explains why identical twins (who share the exact same DNA) do not always have the same sexual orientation.
Reddit·r/biology +4
Other biological and environmental factors that play a role alongside genetics include:

• Prenatal environment: Developing in the womb exposes fetuses to varying levels of hormones (like testosterone), which can shape brain development and later sexual orientation.
• Epigenetics: External factors can alter how genes are turned on or off without changing the underlying DNA code. These epigenetic markers can influence brain development and are a major area of current biological researc

 

[ChristisKing]

I gave it to you. Read the paragraph on epigenetics
Being gay or having same-sex attraction is not caused by one specific “gay gene.” Instead, it is a complex, polygenic trait. Genetics influence sexual orientation, but they do not exclusively determine it.
National Institutes of Health (.gov) +2
The Polygenic Influence
Large-scale DNA studies show that same-sex behavior is influenced by thousands of genetic variants scattered across the entire human genome. Individually, each of these genes has a tiny effect, but combined, they create a genetic predisposition or likelihood.
National Institutes of Health (.gov) +3
Heritability and Environmental Factors
Research—including twin studies—estimates that genetics account for about 30% to 40% of sexual orientation, while the remaining 60% to 70% is driven by non-genetic factors. This explains why identical twins (who share the exact same DNA) do not always have the same sexual orientation.
Reddit·r/biology +4
Other biological and environmental factors that play a role alongside genetics include:

• Prenatal environment: Developing in the womb exposes fetuses to varying levels of hormones (like testosterone), which can shape brain development and later sexual orientation.
• Epigenetics: External factors can alter how genes are turned on or off without changing the underlying DNA code. These epigenetic markers can influence brain development and are a major area of current biological researc

Oh you got it from Reddit?

 

[playtime]

as much as you can choose to be heterosexual.

 

[Hafar1014]

A person can choose to commit heterosexual or homosexual acts, but they can't choose to whom they are attracted.

Human sexuality, as with all mammals, is wired very deeply into our psyche since it's the basis for procreation. Animals need to mate in order to perpetuate the species. This need is wired into the DNA just like it is in all mammals including humans. The fact humans have a reasoning mind adds a layer of complexity to this basic desire.

Also of note, probably for evolutionary reasons, human beings tend to have a ~10% variation from the norm; e.g. color blindness, left-handedness, and non-heterosexual sexual preferences.

Sexuality in humans is vdesigned to keep a long term bond to raise a child to independence. Animals are independent in 8 weeks and dont hae sexuality. They copulate based on hormones alone.

Human sexuality is based on the need to create a long term bond to parent a child. Love and the hormone oxytocin is involved.
In all fairness gays can have children and many do. They can also adopt and create successful families

 

[Hafar1014]

Oh you got it from Reddit?

No its AI but well known in psychology. There is lot of reaserch some you have to pay to read

 

[Bad Bob]

Sexuality in humans is vdesigned to keep a long term bond to raise a child to independence. Animals are independent in 8 weeks and dont hae sexuality. They copulate based on hormones alone.

Human sexuality is based on the need to create a long term bond to parent a child. Love and the hormone oxytocin is involved.
In all fairness gays can have children and many do. They can also adopt and create successful families

You may want to check your facts on that one since there are a lot of animals in the world. example: 19 Animals That Stay With Their Parents the Longest

Agreed on the purpose of mammalian sex. However, the question is whether people have a choice to be heterosexual or homosexual. I say we don't even though heterosexuality, for evolutionary reasons such as propagation of the species, is the norm. Same goes for "choosing" to be left -handed or color-blind.

Understanding sexual orientation and homosexuality

Sexual orientation refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic, and/or sexual attractions to men, women, or both sexes.

www.apa.org

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What causes a person to have a particular sexual orientation?​

There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay, or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.