Can Trump Shutter the Department of Education?

[80zephyr]

Not if congress passed legislation supporting the original E/O....then it has to be congress ending it.

Congress has no legal authority to usurp the presidents responsibilities.

 

[80zephyr]

No. That is your school district's problem, and they are funded mostly by your property taxes. That shows how incomplete your knowledge of education truly is. Don't feel badly, I was the same way until I saw it from the inside and reflected back on my own education.

I graduated high school in 1978. Education was NOT better back then. There was no such thing as AP courses or honors courses in my high school. In contrast, when my youngest graduated from high school, half her freshman college courses were already done. She qualified for a full scholarship right out of school, whereas I had to wait a year and prove myself in the Navy. I know my two older kids got an outstanding education because they attended the high school where I taught. I handed each of them their high school diploma.

Your personal experiences do not reflect the problems with our educational system today.

 

[Darkwind]

And the Joint Chiefs of Staff, don't fire a single bullet. So what's your point?

False equivalence.

The JCS falls under the penumbra of Defense. A Constitutional requirement.

The Department of Education falls under the penumbra of waste. Every useful or positive aspect of the department can be achieved by and falls under, the authority of other existing agencies. They can be accomplished at little to know additional cost.

The JCS cannot.

Thanks for playing.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Your personal experiences do not reflect the problems with our educational system today.

You have no personal experience in our educational system today. How the f- do you know?

 

[Flopper]

Since it's inception, the quality of education, and test scores have declined. Time to put it down. It's the humane thing to do...

Declining education scores vs other countries began in 1960's with economic recovers following WWII. The creation of the federal department of education in 1979 was largely due to the fact that American was falling behind other countries. Unfortunately. the DOE had little control over education in the states. Thus it's primary function became forcing states to abide by federal legislation by threating the loss of federal funds.

 

[Flopper]

Regardless this will improve education and the teachers I work with everyday will be happy about this... if not now they will be....

If the DOJ is abolished it will have little effect on most classrooms but not all. Rural areas will be hit the hardest. The states of Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakoda, Montana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina would be hit the hardest. These red states would lose18% to 24% of their educational dollars. In the county I live, federal education dollars are only about 6.5% of the budget. Obviously this is going to be a big problem for congress. No matter what formula they come up with there will be winners and losers and you can bet most of those losers are not going to be voting for dismantling the DOE and losing federal educational dollars.

Then, there's another problem in eliminating the DOE. Who is going to be monitoring states to see that federal dollars are spent in accordance with federal law.

 

[Orangecat]

Here’s the beauty of this: By proposing this (and all the other revolutionary ideas), Trump will have a referendum on them in 2026. If the people want Congess to play ball, they’ll replace the obstacles. If they don’t, they won’t.

 

[Flopper]

You really think the DOE doesn't? Then maybe disbanding them is a good thing.

Actually they do but not directly. State DOEs rely heavily on research done by or funded by the federal DOE.

Also grants to teachers and schools are a significant part of the federal DOE budget. Civil Rights suits that would be directed at schools are now handled by the DOE. Without the DOE, these functions and many more would fall on the state DOEs and the schools. . For all the DOE does, it is the smallest department in the executive branch with only .15% of federal workforce.

 

[Flopper]

Here’s the beauty of this: By proposing this (and all the other revolutionary ideas), Trump will have a referendum on them in 2026. If the people want Congess to play ball, they’ll replace the obstacles. If they don’t, they won’t.

So Trump will declare himself Emperor so he can run again.

 

[Flopper]

Congress has no legal authority to usurp the presidents responsibilities.

And where did the president get the authority to nullify federal legislation?

 

[frigidweirdo]

Trump to Sign Order to Eliminate Department of Education

The president had promised on the campaign trail to get rid of the agency and place education back with states.

www.theepochtimes.com

Certainly, Congress budgets money for the Dept of Ed, but if the legitimate functions are simply picked up by other departments, can Congress intervene.

I call your attention to the following excerpt from the story:

"According to the fact sheet, the order also aims to ensure that, throughout the process, there is no disruption in the delivery of services, programs, and benefits that Americans rely on."

It is an absolute certainty that some "education" advocacy group will file suit in a Federal District in a Leftist part of the country, but how will it play out? It's basically a matter of "You made some money available to me, and I saw no need to spend it."?

The US doesn't need a federal department of education. So, it's not like much is going to change. More conservatives states will continue with their poor education systems and more liberal states will have better educations systems

 

[Orangecat]

So Trump will declare himself Emperor so he can run again.

Considering the post you responded to, your reading comprehension blows.
Regardless, why would an emperor be concerned with running for office again?

Calm down, think better.

 

[Flopper]

False equivalence.

The JCS falls under the penumbra of Defense. A Constitutional requirement.

The Department of Education falls under the penumbra of waste. Every useful or positive aspect of the department can be achieved by and falls under, the authority of other existing agencies. They can be accomplished at little to know additional cost.

The JCS cannot.

Thanks for playing

That depends on the task. Probably managing student loans could be handle by the treasury. Determining whether school districts are meeting the goals in federal law that the schools are receiving funds for would be harder. And evaluating school educational grants, doing educational research, and evaluating and managing contracted education research projects would be even harder if not impossible.

 

[Flopper]

Considering the post you responded to, your reading comprehension blows.
Regardless, why would an emperor be concerned with running for office again?

Calm down, think better.

Even Emperor Trump would have to show some respect for our laws. Maybe not. When has Trump had any respect for anything or anybody but himself.

 

[Orangecat]

Even Emperor Trump would have to show some respect for our laws. Maybe not. When has Trump had any respect for anything or anybody but himself.

You should look up the word “emperor”.

 

[AZrailwhale]

If the DOJ is abolished it will have little effect on most classrooms but not all. Rural areas will be hit the hardest. The states of Alaska, North Dakota, South Dakoda, Montana, Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina would be hit the hardest. These red states would lose18% to 24% of their educational dollars. In the county I live, federal education dollars are only about 6.5% of the budget. Obviously this is going to be a big problem for congress. No matter what formula they come up with there will be winners and losers and you can bet most of those losers are not going to be voting for dismantling the DOE and losing federal educational dollars.

Then, there's another problem in eliminating the DOE. Who is going to be monitoring states to see that federal dollars are spent in accordance with federal law.

Yeah, those departments will lose some revenue, but far more clerical overhead caused by paperwork to comply with federal dictates.
A simple example is the Junior High School I went to in Los Angeles.

Mid-sixties: Principal, two vice principals, school nurse and secretary.
Now: Principal, two vice principals, six counselors, five attendance staff, nurse, one secretary for each principal and vice principals, ten full time cooks/cafeteria servers, two “resource officers” from LAPD, two full time librarians. All making top dollar with excel any benefit packages and retirements.
Most of those jobs are due to federal requirements.

 

[GLASNOST]

There are no legitimate functions of the DOE.

If you are right (and it seems that you are) then shut it down.

 

[GLASNOST]

You should look up the word “emperor”.

It's just a word he's heard and he thinks it's a bad thing, so ..... why not use it?

 

[Captain Caveman]

You realize the irony is that all four of my ancestor's surnames are English. We came over while you still ruled. One ancestor fought against you in the Revolutionary War.

Blimey, an American actually saying they're quintessentially British. Wonders will never cease.

 

[GLASNOST]