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What drone is capable of flying 25-40 km in space, above the United States? That's how high you have to be and have a yield of 1-10 MT in order to produce an EMP that would cover the US.I was making a simple comparison on how to deliver a low yield nuke. You are incorrect on the ability of a low yield device being incapable of an EMP strong enough to cause severe damage. Many things have changed over the years and the ability to amplify an EMP pulse or direct its energy, is easily done.
I won't fight about the physics of it. It's safe to say we could deploy one of these devices on a drone and you would never know what took your grid out. You do not have to take out the whole continent, all you have to do is start the chain reaction. The magnetic pulse will do the rest as it propagates.
We war gamed this type of scenario over 40 years ago. Back then we didn't have the miniaturization and shielding tech we do today. Just adding in how much our abilities have changed and how small a 5kt device is, if it were not for the radiation signature giving its position away it could very easily be placed on any aircraft, military or commercial and you would never know what happened.
The shielding necessary to hide this is the problem with its miniaturized size now. You can dismiss it if you like. I don't really care. Do you think Putin and Russia have made these same leaps and bounds in tech? I do. They figured out how to make hypersonic missiles capable of nuclear device delivery.
What drone is capable of flying 25-40 km in space, above the United States? That's how high you have to be and have a yield of 1-10 MT in order to produce an EMP that would cover the US.
I am sorry but your wargaming was based on ignorance.
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Yanno, I was a nuclear weapons officer and have forgotten more bout EMP than anyone else on this forum knows. Yes, they are scary, but employing one is extremely difficult and unlikely to avoid detection.Well...................considering that the US military knocked out parts of the power grid in Hawaii when they did a test with a 1.45 megaton bomb (a small one by today's standards), as well as they did the test over 1,000 miles away, a nuke exploded over the middle part of America would do some severe damage. And, unfortunately, they have found that it could be done by several countries we don't think has the ability (yet).
Here's some light reading on EMP's, what testing has been done, as well as the effects, as well as projections of who could feasibly use something like that today.
The US accidentally hit Hawaii with an EMP in the 1960s
On July 9, 1962, the United States launched a Thor rocket armed with a W49 thermonuclear warhead up to an altitude of around two hundred and fifty miles
Yanno....................until this thread, I didn't really think much about it, but, started to do a bit of research, and yeah, the damage a possible EMP attack could do is scary, and it doesn't necessarily need to be Russia or China doing it. N. Korea, as well as certain terrorist groups have been looked at, and it's feasible they could also do one.
Each transformer would have to be able to "disconnect" and shunt all poles to ground in milliseconds in order to prevent overload and their destruction. Transmission lines would have to do the same at equal distances to prevent the current becoming so great the line melts
. . . and have forgotten more bout EMP than anyone else on this forum knows.
I doubt basic physics have changed much.Many things have changed over the years
They figured out how to make hypersonic missiles capable of nuclear device delivery.
I doubt basic physics have changed much.
Such as? (This I have to see!)You're right, basic physics hasn't changed much. HOWEVER, our ability to harness various aspects of them has changed a great deal.
Of course he does! He also had proof that there was a 2nd shooter on the grassy knoll!You have actual proof the Russians have hypersonic missiles capable of carrying nuclear weapons? And not just bragging by the Russians.
How? Remember the U.S. hasn't even tested any nuclear weapons in THIRTY YEARS.You're right, basic physics hasn't changed much. HOWEVER, our ability to harness various aspects of them has changed a great deal.
How? Remember the U.S. hasn't even tested any nuclear weapons in THIRTY YEARS.
quantum computers are a technical dead end (though an appealing one).Well, there's harnessing plasma for commercial uses, and the work being done on quantum computers. The laws governing those things have always been around, but it's taken awhile for us to understand them enough to actually harness them.
quantum computers are a technical dead end (though an appealing one).
So it is your contention we do not have high altitude drones capable of payload?What drone is capable of flying 25-40 km in space, above the United States? That's how high you have to be and have a yield of 1-10 MT in order to produce an EMP that would cover the US.
I am sorry but your wargaming was based on ignorance.
That's a fact!So it is your contention we do not have high altitude drones capable of payload?
So it is your contention we do not have high altitude drones capable of payload?
Name a drone that can fly 25 nm above the Earth's surface. That's space you know,
The technology has advanced. We have drones capable of much higher altitudes. A 5kt device is all you need to trigger an EMP. You do not need a bigger device, although a bigger device can destroy a larger area of infrastructure. A cascade failure today would render at least half of the US power grid useless.Well, 25 km would be about 79,000 feet and our military admits to the RQ-4 Global Hawk as having a service ceiling of 60,000 feet able to carry 3000 pounds, so it isn't out of the question they have a drone able to reach 25 km that they aren't talking about.
The technology has advanced. We have drones capable of much higher altitudes. A 5kt device is all you need to trigger an EMP. You do not need a bigger device, although a bigger device can destroy a larger area of infrastructure. A cascade failure today would render at least half of the US power grid useless.
In the 1980's we used a fraction of that output and destroyed phone system over 200 miles away and it was just 30' off the ground. Testing military vehicles for functionality after an EMP was interesting. Back then we were just starting to see fuel injection and computer control. It wiped them out. Just getting up in altitude is the key.
We are far more vulnerable than most people know.
