Can Dems retake the House?

[Oldstyle]

Under the right economic conditions, Obama was beatable in this election. Right now, given the poor quality of the GOP field and the issues they choose to run on.....they have little to no chance

Correct.

We are in the hole by only 15 TTTTTTTTTTrillion dollars .

So of course we can afford to continue the welfare/warfare state policies.

A welfare state = government buy the people.

And we can also afford to maintain tax rates that have not met our budget needs for ten years

Why not return to a tax structure that actually gave us a budget surplus?

Duh...because raising taxes in a weak economy will only make that economy WEAKER. What part of that concept don't you get? It's the reason Obama continued the Bush tax cuts. I swear to God that most of you liberals on this board are either wearing blinders or don't have a whit of common sense.

 

[rightwinger]

Correct.

We are in the hole by only 15 TTTTTTTTTTrillion dollars .

So of course we can afford to continue the welfare/warfare state policies.

A welfare state = government buy the people.

And we can also afford to maintain tax rates that have not met our budget needs for ten years

Why not return to a tax structure that actually gave us a budget surplus?

Duh...because raising taxes in a weak economy will only make that economy WEAKER. What part of that concept don't you get? It's the reason Obama continued the Bush tax cuts. I swear to God that most of you liberals on this board are either wearing blinders or don't have a whit of common sense.

The same can be said about cutting jobs in a weak economy. Cutting spending alone takes money out of the economy. Less Govt spending, less Govt contracts, fewer Govt employees, fewer private employees

 

[Oldstyle]

And we can also afford to maintain tax rates that have not met our budget needs for ten years

Why not return to a tax structure that actually gave us a budget surplus?

Duh...because raising taxes in a weak economy will only make that economy WEAKER. What part of that concept don't you get? It's the reason Obama continued the Bush tax cuts. I swear to God that most of you liberals on this board are either wearing blinders or don't have a whit of common sense.

The same can be said about cutting jobs in a weak economy. Cutting spending alone takes money out of the economy. Less Govt spending, less Govt contracts, fewer Govt employees, fewer private employees

Cutting government spending doesn't mean you eliminate that money...it means that you stop sucking it out of the private sector and wasting it in the public sector. That's another basic economic principle that you progressives on this board can't seem to get your heads around.

 

[JoeB131]

Cutting government spending doesn't mean you eliminate that money...it means that you stop sucking it out of the private sector and wasting it in the public sector. That's another basic economic principle that you progressives on this board can't seem to get your heads around.

That works on the assumption that public sector spending ALWAYS has less value than private sector spending.

The private sector can waste money right up there with the government, when you get right down to it. From spending money on Corporate Retreats to those 8 figure salaries for CEO's who lose money.

But what has more benefit to more people. Spending a million dollars to repair a road, or spending a million dollars on a mansion?

 

[mudwhistle]

Still pretending to be a conservative eh Joe?

Your "analysis" is like you; vapid, shallow, and inane.

He needs to change his avi from two hammers to a hammer and a sickle.

 

[JoeB131]

Still pretending to be a conservative eh Joe?

Your "analysis" is like you; vapid, shallow, and inane.

He needs to change his avi from two hammers to a hammer and a sickle.

Right. because everything that isn't about douchebags getting richer must be "communism".

Oooookay.

You know, the rest of the world doesn't operate like this. This is strictly an American stupidity.

The amazing thing about you guys is that you complain about the socialists, but you are making them inevitable. When you don't have a middle class, you don't have a firewall when the mob demands wealth redistribution.

 

[LordBrownTrout]

Rs may barely hold on to house.....they don't deserve it and Rs take Senate based on Dems defending more seats than Rs.

 

[skipper]

Still pretending to be a conservative eh Joe?

Your "analysis" is like you; vapid, shallow, and inane.

He needs to change his avi from two hammers to a hammer and a sickle.

Right. because everything that isn't about douchebags getting richer must be "communism".

Oooookay.

You know, the rest of the world doesn't operate like this. This is strictly an American stupidity.

The amazing thing about you guys is that you complain about the socialists, but you are making them inevitable. When you don't have a middle class, you don't have a firewall when the mob demands wealth redistribution.

Spot-on post that wasn't crafted from the left. That should open your eyes. Well, at least I hope so.

 

[mudwhistle]

Still pretending to be a conservative eh Joe?

Your "analysis" is like you; vapid, shallow, and inane.

He needs to change his avi from two hammers to a hammer and a sickle.

Right. because everything that isn't about douchebags getting richer must be "communism".

Oooookay.

You know, the rest of the world doesn't operate like this. This is strictly an American stupidity.

The amazing thing about you guys is that you complain about the socialists, but you are making them inevitable. When you don't have a middle class, you don't have a firewall when the mob demands wealth redistribution.

The whole world doesn't revolve around who gets more than you.

Envy is one of those deadlies.

You want to go around life resenting everyone who has more than you, you'll spend all of your days being resentful because there will always be someone with more than you have. And resenting others is never going to solve anything.

It's amazing the kind of people that buy into resentment and envy. It tells me a lot about them.

The middle-class is disappearing because Obama is doing everything he can to make everything more expensive.

 

[JoeB131]

The whole world doesn't revolve around who gets more than you.

Envy is one of those deadlies.

You want to go around life resenting everyone who has more than you, you'll spend all of your days being resentful because there will always be someone with more than you have. And resenting others is never going to solve anything.

It's amazing the kind of people that buy into resentment and envy. It tells me a lot about them.

As far as Deadlies go, I'm personally fond of Wrath. But Greed is also one of those Deadlies, or were you asleep that day?

It isn't about resentment, it's about practicality, and clearly you didn't comprehend my statement.

I don't want wealth fairly distributed because I "envy" what Mitt has.

I want it distributed because that's what makes for a healthy society.

Societies where you only have two classes- Rich and Grindingly Poor, usually turn up badly, if you missed the whole France in 1789 or Russia in 1917 or Iran in 1979 thing. Eventually, people figure they ain't got nothing to lose if they upset the apple cart. They're wrong. In almost all those cases, things DID get worse.

Having a middle class means you have people with a stake in the game. No, I don't want a mansion and I wouldn't know what to do with a Polo Pony. I'm happy with my Condo and my cat, thank you.

But if you are finding ways to make bigger profits by making the middle class smaller, then you are really self defeating in a number of ways.

First, you make government their friend. If you are trying to support a family on that McJob salary at staples, you are going to need government help, which they will happily provide- in exchange for your vote.

Second, if no one has money to buy those consumer goods, eventually, you don't have customers, no matter how good your service or product is. As that pinko Henry Ford once said, "If my employees can't afford my products, I don't have a business."