Can democrats lead a country they despise? And ppl they HATE

Observation is not paranoia. We were actually going to hit 2 or 3 million people until we the people decided to do something? We take our direction from Trump's team, particularly Dr. Fauci. When we talk about all the cases the US has to other places, your comrades tell us it's because of Trump's failed policies. However when you ask them which ones, they can't tell you.

If you are speaking for your ilk, then what you are saying is that the fact we didn't get anywhere near deaths in the millions had nothing to do with Trump, it was everybody else, but the fact we have such a population with the virus is Trump's fault. And you don't see a problem trying to use that logic on the rest of us.

Didn't trump say deaths from the COVID-19 virus would be way, way, way way less than 100,000...


Current death toll is over 142,000
/——/ Its widely reported the anyone who dies WITH COVID is listed as dying FROM COVID. The numbers are inflated.


Sounds right. If you die and had COVID-19 you died from it.

Which is almost as stupid as saying if you died from falling off a bridge and had a hangnail, the cause of death was the hangnail.

Ah, no that would be dying of blunt force trauma from the impact of the fall. The hangnail isn't gramaine to the argument. Now if you have been diagnosed with Lyme Disease, but died while intubated in a hospital due to COVID-19 your cause of death would be COVID-19.

You haven't been following this close enough. We just had a story about a guy in Florida who killed himself on a motorcycle, and they put that death under the Covid category.

Post the source.
 
Observation is not paranoia. We were actually going to hit 2 or 3 million people until we the people decided to do something? We take our direction from Trump's team, particularly Dr. Fauci. When we talk about all the cases the US has to other places, your comrades tell us it's because of Trump's failed policies. However when you ask them which ones, they can't tell you.

If you are speaking for your ilk, then what you are saying is that the fact we didn't get anywhere near deaths in the millions had nothing to do with Trump, it was everybody else, but the fact we have such a population with the virus is Trump's fault. And you don't see a problem trying to use that logic on the rest of us.

Didn't trump say deaths from the COVID-19 virus would be way, way, way way less than 100,000...


Current death toll is over 142,000
/——/ Its widely reported the anyone who dies WITH COVID is listed as dying FROM COVID. The numbers are inflated.


Sounds right. If you die and had COVID-19 you died from it.

Which is almost as stupid as saying if you died from falling off a bridge and had a hangnail, the cause of death was the hangnail.

Ah, no that would be dying of blunt force trauma from the impact of the fall. The hangnail isn't gramaine to the argument. Now if you have been diagnosed with Lyme Disease, but died while intubated in a hospital due to COVID-19 your cause of death would be COVID-19.

You haven't been following this close enough. We just had a story about a guy in Florida who killed himself on a motorcycle, and they put that death under the Covid category.

Post the source.

Geese, it's all over the internet news. But just to humor you, from one of your very own sources.

 
Observation is not paranoia. We were actually going to hit 2 or 3 million people until we the people decided to do something? We take our direction from Trump's team, particularly Dr. Fauci. When we talk about all the cases the US has to other places, your comrades tell us it's because of Trump's failed policies. However when you ask them which ones, they can't tell you.

If you are speaking for your ilk, then what you are saying is that the fact we didn't get anywhere near deaths in the millions had nothing to do with Trump, it was everybody else, but the fact we have such a population with the virus is Trump's fault. And you don't see a problem trying to use that logic on the rest of us.

Didn't trump say deaths from the COVID-19 virus would be way, way, way way less than 100,000...


Current death toll is over 142,000

He was a lot closer than the others, wasn't he? That's besides the fact Trump didn't think they'd be fudging the numbers like they are. When he guaranteed federal money to treat these Covid patients, he didn't think it would encourage them to make shit up to get that money.

Christ ray, still suck on "unskew the polls" BS from the wingnut cult.

This wing nut wants to know the exact cause of each and every death now claimed because of Covid. There's a difference between dying with Covid, and dying because of Covid. That's the figures we want to know.

No, no you don't. You just want to rally the wingnut base with false premises.


That's noted.

Asking to have deaths categorized between deaths with Covid and deaths because of Covid is rallying the base with a false premise? Do you know what I think? I think they are artificially inflating the numbers to cause panic in this country. Let's see those numbers. What are you afraid of? I'm not.

You clearly are afraid of the numbers. Your posts prove that.

You see the numbers and YOU disagree with them POLITICALLY so you deny them.

That is clear.

You don't understand how this all works.

If a person gets gunned down in the street, you will never see an autopsy report of death caused by gunshot. It may say death caused by cardiac arrest because of great blood loss, or perhaps liver failure if that's where the bullets entered, but never died of gunshot wound.

An autopsy lists the organ or body part that failed as cause of death. It also lists "contributing factors" such as diabetes, hypertension, heart and so on. If Covid is on that list, it's considered a Covid death because Covid is never listed as the actual cause of death, just like a gunshot wound.

It's complex because you have heart failure. You die from that heart failure, but when admitted to the hospital or when they found your body, they also found you had the virus. The question is, would your heart have failed anyway without Covid, or did Covid cause the disease you already had to finish you off? It's really a question that nobody can answer without an extensive autopsy. Even before Covid, less than 20% of Americans have had an autopsy after death, and it's much riskier now so doctors don't do them willy nilly.

A close friend of mine died about five years ago or so. He had a heart condition, but was an alcoholic. A few weeks after his death, the autopsy report came out. They listed it as natural causes, in spite of him drinking enough booze to kill a horse, and his heart being twice the size of a normal person.
 
Observation is not paranoia. We were actually going to hit 2 or 3 million people until we the people decided to do something? We take our direction from Trump's team, particularly Dr. Fauci. When we talk about all the cases the US has to other places, your comrades tell us it's because of Trump's failed policies. However when you ask them which ones, they can't tell you.

If you are speaking for your ilk, then what you are saying is that the fact we didn't get anywhere near deaths in the millions had nothing to do with Trump, it was everybody else, but the fact we have such a population with the virus is Trump's fault. And you don't see a problem trying to use that logic on the rest of us.

Didn't trump say deaths from the COVID-19 virus would be way, way, way way less than 100,000...


Current death toll is over 142,000

He was a lot closer than the others, wasn't he? That's besides the fact Trump didn't think they'd be fudging the numbers like they are. When he guaranteed federal money to treat these Covid patients, he didn't think it would encourage them to make shit up to get that money.

Christ ray, still suck on "unskew the polls" BS from the wingnut cult.

This wing nut wants to know the exact cause of each and every death now claimed because of Covid. There's a difference between dying with Covid, and dying because of Covid. That's the figures we want to know.

No, no you don't. You just want to rally the wingnut base with false premises.


That's noted.

Asking to have deaths categorized between deaths with Covid and deaths because of Covid is rallying the base with a false premise? Do you know what I think? I think they are artificially inflating the numbers to cause panic in this country. Let's see those numbers. What are you afraid of? I'm not.

You clearly are afraid of the numbers. Your posts prove that.

You see the numbers and YOU disagree with them POLITICALLY so you deny them.

That is clear.

You don't understand how this all works.

If a person gets gunned down in the street, you will never see an autopsy report of death caused by gunshot. It may say death caused by cardiac arrest because of great blood loss, or perhaps liver failure if that's where the bullets entered, but never died of gunshot wound.

An autopsy lists the organ or body part that failed as cause of death. It also lists "contributing factors" such as diabetes, hypertension, heart and so on. If Covid is on that list, it's considered a Covid death because Covid is never listed as the actual cause of death, just like a gunshot wound.

It's complex because you have heart failure. You die from that heart failure, but when admitted to the hospital or when they found your body, they also found you had the virus. The question is, would your heart have failed anyway without Covid, or did Covid cause the disease you already had to finish you off? It's really a question that nobody can answer without an extensive autopsy. Even before Covid, less than 20% of Americans have had an autopsy after death, and it's much riskier now so doctors don't do them willy nilly.

A close friend of mine died about five years ago or so. He had a heart condition, but was an alcoholic. A few weeks after his death, the autopsy report came out. They listed it as natural causes, in spite of him drinking enough booze to kill a horse, and his heart being twice the size of a normal person.

If you die because you were shot with a gun in the liver...nobody lists the cause of death as liver failure.


You're an idiot.
 
Observation is not paranoia. We were actually going to hit 2 or 3 million people until we the people decided to do something? We take our direction from Trump's team, particularly Dr. Fauci. When we talk about all the cases the US has to other places, your comrades tell us it's because of Trump's failed policies. However when you ask them which ones, they can't tell you.

If you are speaking for your ilk, then what you are saying is that the fact we didn't get anywhere near deaths in the millions had nothing to do with Trump, it was everybody else, but the fact we have such a population with the virus is Trump's fault. And you don't see a problem trying to use that logic on the rest of us.

Didn't trump say deaths from the COVID-19 virus would be way, way, way way less than 100,000...


Current death toll is over 142,000

He was a lot closer than the others, wasn't he? That's besides the fact Trump didn't think they'd be fudging the numbers like they are. When he guaranteed federal money to treat these Covid patients, he didn't think it would encourage them to make shit up to get that money.

Christ ray, still suck on "unskew the polls" BS from the wingnut cult.

This wing nut wants to know the exact cause of each and every death now claimed because of Covid. There's a difference between dying with Covid, and dying because of Covid. That's the figures we want to know.

No, no you don't. You just want to rally the wingnut base with false premises.


That's noted.

Asking to have deaths categorized between deaths with Covid and deaths because of Covid is rallying the base with a false premise? Do you know what I think? I think they are artificially inflating the numbers to cause panic in this country. Let's see those numbers. What are you afraid of? I'm not.

You clearly are afraid of the numbers. Your posts prove that.

You see the numbers and YOU disagree with them POLITICALLY so you deny them.

That is clear.

You don't understand how this all works.

If a person gets gunned down in the street, you will never see an autopsy report of death caused by gunshot. It may say death caused by cardiac arrest because of great blood loss, or perhaps liver failure if that's where the bullets entered, but never died of gunshot wound.

An autopsy lists the organ or body part that failed as cause of death. It also lists "contributing factors" such as diabetes, hypertension, heart and so on. If Covid is on that list, it's considered a Covid death because Covid is never listed as the actual cause of death, just like a gunshot wound.

It's complex because you have heart failure. You die from that heart failure, but when admitted to the hospital or when they found your body, they also found you had the virus. The question is, would your heart have failed anyway without Covid, or did Covid cause the disease you already had to finish you off? It's really a question that nobody can answer without an extensive autopsy. Even before Covid, less than 20% of Americans have had an autopsy after death, and it's much riskier now so doctors don't do them willy nilly.

A close friend of mine died about five years ago or so. He had a heart condition, but was an alcoholic. A few weeks after his death, the autopsy report came out. They listed it as natural causes, in spite of him drinking enough booze to kill a horse, and his heart being twice the size of a normal person.

If you die because you were shot with a gun in the liver...nobody lists the cause of death as liver failure.


You're an idiot.

Yes they do, and that's just one example. You're an idiot because you only want to believe what your puppet masters tell you, and shut out all other information.
 
Observation is not paranoia. We were actually going to hit 2 or 3 million people until we the people decided to do something? We take our direction from Trump's team, particularly Dr. Fauci. When we talk about all the cases the US has to other places, your comrades tell us it's because of Trump's failed policies. However when you ask them which ones, they can't tell you.

If you are speaking for your ilk, then what you are saying is that the fact we didn't get anywhere near deaths in the millions had nothing to do with Trump, it was everybody else, but the fact we have such a population with the virus is Trump's fault. And you don't see a problem trying to use that logic on the rest of us.

Didn't trump say deaths from the COVID-19 virus would be way, way, way way less than 100,000...


Current death toll is over 142,000

He was a lot closer than the others, wasn't he? That's besides the fact Trump didn't think they'd be fudging the numbers like they are. When he guaranteed federal money to treat these Covid patients, he didn't think it would encourage them to make shit up to get that money.

Christ ray, still suck on "unskew the polls" BS from the wingnut cult.

This wing nut wants to know the exact cause of each and every death now claimed because of Covid. There's a difference between dying with Covid, and dying because of Covid. That's the figures we want to know.

No, no you don't. You just want to rally the wingnut base with false premises.


That's noted.

Asking to have deaths categorized between deaths with Covid and deaths because of Covid is rallying the base with a false premise? Do you know what I think? I think they are artificially inflating the numbers to cause panic in this country. Let's see those numbers. What are you afraid of? I'm not.

You clearly are afraid of the numbers. Your posts prove that.

You see the numbers and YOU disagree with them POLITICALLY so you deny them.

That is clear.

You don't understand how this all works.

If a person gets gunned down in the street, you will never see an autopsy report of death caused by gunshot. It may say death caused by cardiac arrest because of great blood loss, or perhaps liver failure if that's where the bullets entered, but never died of gunshot wound.

An autopsy lists the organ or body part that failed as cause of death. It also lists "contributing factors" such as diabetes, hypertension, heart and so on. If Covid is on that list, it's considered a Covid death because Covid is never listed as the actual cause of death, just like a gunshot wound.

It's complex because you have heart failure. You die from that heart failure, but when admitted to the hospital or when they found your body, they also found you had the virus. The question is, would your heart have failed anyway without Covid, or did Covid cause the disease you already had to finish you off? It's really a question that nobody can answer without an extensive autopsy. Even before Covid, less than 20% of Americans have had an autopsy after death, and it's much riskier now so doctors don't do them willy nilly.

A close friend of mine died about five years ago or so. He had a heart condition, but was an alcoholic. A few weeks after his death, the autopsy report came out. They listed it as natural causes, in spite of him drinking enough booze to kill a horse, and his heart being twice the size of a normal person.

If you die because you were shot with a gun in the liver...nobody lists the cause of death as liver failure.


You're an idiot.

Yes they do, and that's just one example. You're an idiot because you only want to believe what your puppet masters tell you, and shut out all other information.

An example of what? Your word?

Post the source of this information.
 
Observation is not paranoia. We were actually going to hit 2 or 3 million people until we the people decided to do something? We take our direction from Trump's team, particularly Dr. Fauci. When we talk about all the cases the US has to other places, your comrades tell us it's because of Trump's failed policies. However when you ask them which ones, they can't tell you.

If you are speaking for your ilk, then what you are saying is that the fact we didn't get anywhere near deaths in the millions had nothing to do with Trump, it was everybody else, but the fact we have such a population with the virus is Trump's fault. And you don't see a problem trying to use that logic on the rest of us.

Didn't trump say deaths from the COVID-19 virus would be way, way, way way less than 100,000...


Current death toll is over 142,000

He was a lot closer than the others, wasn't he? That's besides the fact Trump didn't think they'd be fudging the numbers like they are. When he guaranteed federal money to treat these Covid patients, he didn't think it would encourage them to make shit up to get that money.

Christ ray, still suck on "unskew the polls" BS from the wingnut cult.

This wing nut wants to know the exact cause of each and every death now claimed because of Covid. There's a difference between dying with Covid, and dying because of Covid. That's the figures we want to know.

No, no you don't. You just want to rally the wingnut base with false premises.


That's noted.

Asking to have deaths categorized between deaths with Covid and deaths because of Covid is rallying the base with a false premise? Do you know what I think? I think they are artificially inflating the numbers to cause panic in this country. Let's see those numbers. What are you afraid of? I'm not.

You clearly are afraid of the numbers. Your posts prove that.

You see the numbers and YOU disagree with them POLITICALLY so you deny them.

That is clear.

You don't understand how this all works.

If a person gets gunned down in the street, you will never see an autopsy report of death caused by gunshot. It may say death caused by cardiac arrest because of great blood loss, or perhaps liver failure if that's where the bullets entered, but never died of gunshot wound.

An autopsy lists the organ or body part that failed as cause of death. It also lists "contributing factors" such as diabetes, hypertension, heart and so on. If Covid is on that list, it's considered a Covid death because Covid is never listed as the actual cause of death, just like a gunshot wound.

It's complex because you have heart failure. You die from that heart failure, but when admitted to the hospital or when they found your body, they also found you had the virus. The question is, would your heart have failed anyway without Covid, or did Covid cause the disease you already had to finish you off? It's really a question that nobody can answer without an extensive autopsy. Even before Covid, less than 20% of Americans have had an autopsy after death, and it's much riskier now so doctors don't do them willy nilly.

A close friend of mine died about five years ago or so. He had a heart condition, but was an alcoholic. A few weeks after his death, the autopsy report came out. They listed it as natural causes, in spite of him drinking enough booze to kill a horse, and his heart being twice the size of a normal person.

If you die because you were shot with a gun in the liver...nobody lists the cause of death as liver failure.


You're an idiot.

Yes they do, and that's just one example. You're an idiot because you only want to believe what your puppet masters tell you, and shut out all other information.

An example of what? Your word?

Post the source of this information.

 
Observation is not paranoia. We were actually going to hit 2 or 3 million people until we the people decided to do something? We take our direction from Trump's team, particularly Dr. Fauci. When we talk about all the cases the US has to other places, your comrades tell us it's because of Trump's failed policies. However when you ask them which ones, they can't tell you.

If you are speaking for your ilk, then what you are saying is that the fact we didn't get anywhere near deaths in the millions had nothing to do with Trump, it was everybody else, but the fact we have such a population with the virus is Trump's fault. And you don't see a problem trying to use that logic on the rest of us.

Didn't trump say deaths from the COVID-19 virus would be way, way, way way less than 100,000...


Current death toll is over 142,000

He was a lot closer than the others, wasn't he? That's besides the fact Trump didn't think they'd be fudging the numbers like they are. When he guaranteed federal money to treat these Covid patients, he didn't think it would encourage them to make shit up to get that money.

Christ ray, still suck on "unskew the polls" BS from the wingnut cult.

This wing nut wants to know the exact cause of each and every death now claimed because of Covid. There's a difference between dying with Covid, and dying because of Covid. That's the figures we want to know.

No, no you don't. You just want to rally the wingnut base with false premises.


That's noted.

Asking to have deaths categorized between deaths with Covid and deaths because of Covid is rallying the base with a false premise? Do you know what I think? I think they are artificially inflating the numbers to cause panic in this country. Let's see those numbers. What are you afraid of? I'm not.

You clearly are afraid of the numbers. Your posts prove that.

You see the numbers and YOU disagree with them POLITICALLY so you deny them.

That is clear.

You don't understand how this all works.

If a person gets gunned down in the street, you will never see an autopsy report of death caused by gunshot. It may say death caused by cardiac arrest because of great blood loss, or perhaps liver failure if that's where the bullets entered, but never died of gunshot wound.

An autopsy lists the organ or body part that failed as cause of death. It also lists "contributing factors" such as diabetes, hypertension, heart and so on. If Covid is on that list, it's considered a Covid death because Covid is never listed as the actual cause of death, just like a gunshot wound.

It's complex because you have heart failure. You die from that heart failure, but when admitted to the hospital or when they found your body, they also found you had the virus. The question is, would your heart have failed anyway without Covid, or did Covid cause the disease you already had to finish you off? It's really a question that nobody can answer without an extensive autopsy. Even before Covid, less than 20% of Americans have had an autopsy after death, and it's much riskier now so doctors don't do them willy nilly.

A close friend of mine died about five years ago or so. He had a heart condition, but was an alcoholic. A few weeks after his death, the autopsy report came out. They listed it as natural causes, in spite of him drinking enough booze to kill a horse, and his heart being twice the size of a normal person.

If you die because you were shot with a gun in the liver...nobody lists the cause of death as liver failure.


You're an idiot.

Yes they do, and that's just one example. You're an idiot because you only want to believe what your puppet masters tell you, and shut out all other information.

An example of what? Your word?

Post the source of this information.


Ray

That was a good article. It proves my point not yours.

You question the death count because of it's affect on trump. The article itself states several times that experts and health officials believe the official count is an under count not an over count.
 
Observation is not paranoia. We were actually going to hit 2 or 3 million people until we the people decided to do something? We take our direction from Trump's team, particularly Dr. Fauci. When we talk about all the cases the US has to other places, your comrades tell us it's because of Trump's failed policies. However when you ask them which ones, they can't tell you.

If you are speaking for your ilk, then what you are saying is that the fact we didn't get anywhere near deaths in the millions had nothing to do with Trump, it was everybody else, but the fact we have such a population with the virus is Trump's fault. And you don't see a problem trying to use that logic on the rest of us.

Didn't trump say deaths from the COVID-19 virus would be way, way, way way less than 100,000...


Current death toll is over 142,000

He was a lot closer than the others, wasn't he? That's besides the fact Trump didn't think they'd be fudging the numbers like they are. When he guaranteed federal money to treat these Covid patients, he didn't think it would encourage them to make shit up to get that money.

Christ ray, still suck on "unskew the polls" BS from the wingnut cult.

This wing nut wants to know the exact cause of each and every death now claimed because of Covid. There's a difference between dying with Covid, and dying because of Covid. That's the figures we want to know.

No, no you don't. You just want to rally the wingnut base with false premises.


That's noted.

Asking to have deaths categorized between deaths with Covid and deaths because of Covid is rallying the base with a false premise? Do you know what I think? I think they are artificially inflating the numbers to cause panic in this country. Let's see those numbers. What are you afraid of? I'm not.

You clearly are afraid of the numbers. Your posts prove that.

You see the numbers and YOU disagree with them POLITICALLY so you deny them.

That is clear.

You don't understand how this all works.

If a person gets gunned down in the street, you will never see an autopsy report of death caused by gunshot. It may say death caused by cardiac arrest because of great blood loss, or perhaps liver failure if that's where the bullets entered, but never died of gunshot wound.

An autopsy lists the organ or body part that failed as cause of death. It also lists "contributing factors" such as diabetes, hypertension, heart and so on. If Covid is on that list, it's considered a Covid death because Covid is never listed as the actual cause of death, just like a gunshot wound.

It's complex because you have heart failure. You die from that heart failure, but when admitted to the hospital or when they found your body, they also found you had the virus. The question is, would your heart have failed anyway without Covid, or did Covid cause the disease you already had to finish you off? It's really a question that nobody can answer without an extensive autopsy. Even before Covid, less than 20% of Americans have had an autopsy after death, and it's much riskier now so doctors don't do them willy nilly.

A close friend of mine died about five years ago or so. He had a heart condition, but was an alcoholic. A few weeks after his death, the autopsy report came out. They listed it as natural causes, in spite of him drinking enough booze to kill a horse, and his heart being twice the size of a normal person.

If you die because you were shot with a gun in the liver...nobody lists the cause of death as liver failure.


You're an idiot.

Yes they do, and that's just one example. You're an idiot because you only want to believe what your puppet masters tell you, and shut out all other information.

An example of what? Your word?

Post the source of this information.


Ray

That was a good article. It proves my point not yours.

You question the death count because of it's affect on trump. The article itself states several times that experts and health officials believe the official count is an under count not an over count.

That's very true, but remember we didn't have any testing ability when this first started because the FDA only gave the CDC approval for their test kits, which ended up being defective and had to be thrown away. Given the fact that Covid symptoms are similar to a mild flu or bad cold, a lot of people never sought medical attention, especially in the beginning, and who knows how many other people they gave it to, some of which they were never detected with it either.

Again, because Covid will not be listed as the actual cause of death, but as a contributor, it's listed as a Covid death. They never die because of Covid, but with Covid.
 
The Dems do not plan to "lead" this nation.

They intend to transform it into their vision of Utopia.

Right after the inauguration, the Dems will hit the ground running. With control of the executive and legislative branches (and a Supreme Court that they will pack by adding more justices -- something that FDR tried), they will:

1. Arrest former President Trump on some charge.

2. Give reparations to a certain group.

3. Defund all police forces.

4. Let violent criminals run wild in the streets.

5. Adopt a European plan of medical care.

6. Open the borders to anyone who wishes to come here.

7. Institute Chinese-style censorship on the Internet.

8. Abolish all entrance requirements for college.

9. Pass a constitutional amendment that rescinds the two-term limit for President.

Trolling, a thread without probative evidence is a violation of the rules, to wit: "Furthermore, when starting a new thread and declaring something as fact in your opening post, you must also link to a source."
 

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