Can Atheists be Moral?

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What do you believe was the original spoken religion?

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The Triumph of Good vs Evil - is the original religion of antiquity, reaffirmed by the travails of noah ... why it took them till the 4th century to makeup the forgeries of the christian bible. the fallacies of all three desert religions.

Life did not evolve from the metaphysical.

life is metaphysical without it the physical expression, physiology disappears from existence and is subordinate to the spiritual for its composition. as proof for their shared origin. not of Earth.

You are incapable of giving a straight answer, aren’t you?

Which religion was that again? The triumph of good versus evil? Never heard of it. Are you talking about Judaism?

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Never heard of it.

the spoken religion of Antiquity, The Triumph of Good vs Evil - that's all there is christian ... and what is your religion of sinners called, that includes a messiah that is to save you from your uncontrollable sinning by granting you admission to the Everlasting than too who Triumph's over evil.

the religion of Antiquity is the spoken religion as prescribed by the Almighty, the travails of noah - yours is madeup in the 4th century by the crucifiers that misconstrued the events of the 1st century as has been perpetrated since the 4th century to this day. their 10,000 page political document disguised as a religion.

No such thing. Which religion did you say it was? If there was nothing ever written about it, how did you learn about it? Hmmmm?

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No such thing. Which religion did you say it was? If there was nothing ever written about it, how did you learn about it? Hmmmm?

- you are about as dense as they come ....

all the desert religions and early religions are verbal translations to text - the texts primarily a corruption by syntax. christianity.

the spoken religion of antiquity is reaffirmed by the travails of noah - when the last good or evil person perishes those who remain will be the Final Judgement granted by the Almighty for all humanity, granted admission to the Everlasting or that all will perish together.

the parable would have concluded with noah's death and the annihilation of humanity, that was preempted and mankind was given a second chance.

There’s no corruption. The beliefs and traditions are intact. Which corruption do you think exists?

 

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What do you believe was the original spoken religion?

.
The Triumph of Good vs Evil - is the original religion of antiquity, reaffirmed by the travails of noah ... why it took them till the 4th century to makeup the forgeries of the christian bible. the fallacies of all three desert religions.

Life did not evolve from the metaphysical.

life is metaphysical without it the physical expression, physiology disappears from existence and is subordinate to the spiritual for its composition. as proof for their shared origin. not of Earth.

You are incapable of giving a straight answer, aren’t you?

Which religion was that again? The triumph of good versus evil? Never heard of it. Are you talking about Judaism?

.

Never heard of it.

the spoken religion of Antiquity, The Triumph of Good vs Evil - that's all there is christian ... and what is your religion of sinners called, that includes a messiah that is to save you from your uncontrollable sinning by granting you admission to the Everlasting than too who Triumph's over evil.

the religion of Antiquity is the spoken religion as prescribed by the Almighty, the travails of noah - yours is madeup in the 4th century by the crucifiers that misconstrued the events of the 1st century as has been perpetrated since the 4th century to this day. their 10,000 page political document disguised as a religion.

No such thing. Which religion did you say it was? If there was nothing ever written about it, how did you learn about it? Hmmmm?

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No such thing. Which religion did you say it was? If there was nothing ever written about it, how did you learn about it? Hmmmm?

- you are about as dense as they come ....

all the desert religions and early religions are verbal translations to text - the texts primarily a corruption by syntax. christianity.

the spoken religion of antiquity is reaffirmed by the travails of noah - when the last good or evil person perishes those who remain will be the Final Judgement granted by the Almighty for all humanity, granted admission to the Everlasting or that all will perish together.

the parable would have concluded with noah's death and the annihilation of humanity, that was preempted and mankind was given a second chance.

Do you believe God created space and time?

If so, how do you know it? Written text? Or was that corrupted too?

 

[sealybobo]

You say its all magical bullshit.

And you claim your particular, preferred pile of magical bullshit is the only magical bullshit that is not bullshit.

So, a rational person like me is left with two choices"

1) Shaman Hobelim holds the only, absolute divine truth, and everyone else is full of shit.

2) Shaman Hobelim is just as full of shit as eveyone else.

Its not a tough call.

lol,,, there you go again too..

I tell you there is hidden teaching in scripture just like any fairy tale and you say there is no hidden teaching. I mention a talking serpent and you said the authors 'absolutely' believed that snakes can talk. I tell you that a talking serpent is an archetype for a specific type of person described in great detail, which is true about any talking animal in a fairy tale, and you call you that magical bullshit.

Now thats quite the steaming pile of hypocritical bullshit right there dripping off your lips.



You two are just as dumb and deliberately blind as any deceptive religious fundamentalist nut job out there...

You know what conservatives can’t do? They can’t erase history especially when movies have been made about how religions felt about people who challenged their teachings like the earth isn’t the center of the universe

And Christians can’t say now that they never said Noah and Adam were real but instead just allegorical teachings. And Jonah. These stories were all factual just a century ago. In fact many still argue the earth is flat, god made the earth in 7 days and the earth is only 5000 years old.

The people who call themselves Christians but believe in evolution aren’t really Christians. They believe all the stories in the Bible are just allegories. The ones they can’t justify in their heads get filed away as allegories.

But then the question is was jesus just an allegory? Walking on water, miracles, virgin births, rising from the dead. The obvious answer is yes, he too is just an allegory. And a lot of people are ok with following Christianity even if jesus isn’t the literal son of god. They think Christianity is still a good club to be in. So they have a personal relationship with god even if they don’t believe the religion. Never even imagining god isn’t real. I know because this was my path to agnostic atheism

 

[MedfordMan]

Ironically, in Isaiah 40:22, the Bible states that the earth is round long before modern science was around

No it doesn't. How absurd. For every overwrought attempt to peddle that nonsense, one can just as easily produce passages from the bible that imply the earth is flat.

Much ado about nothing

Excuse you, its germane to your point. In one breath, you claim not to be in possession of the one, divine truth. In the next, you claim god communicates this truth to you. And,in the next, you claim that your magical beliefs are correct, while those of other religions are wrong. I can see how you would want to sidestep this obvious contradiction in your talking points, because it discredits you utterly .

Let me correct a couple of misperceptions.

God, through the Holy Spirt, doesn't just speak to me or other believers, he's speaking to you and everyone else. You're just not listening.

That's not as critical as it sounds, because I get it. My selfish sin nature makes it difficult for me to listen to HIM too.

God (through the Holy Spirit) doesn't communicate "truth" to me. He provides practical direction in the minute to minute decisions I have to make in my daily life.

You see God doesn't provide truth, he IS righteous and true.

As a Christian, I am not better than you. I'm not smarter than you. I don't have any greater understanding of anything other than this. I'm a sinner, like you, but I can't redeem myself.

You seek truth? That's the truth I understand and that you don't.

You have made it clear that you don't feel that you need God and can do it all yourself.

Good luck to you, I tried that for years and was unsuccessful. If you can pull it off, you're a better man than me.

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I'm a sinner, like you, but I can't redeem myself.

what are the sins you can not stop committing, you fool yourself by the 4th century christian religion - follow the true religion as prescribed by the Almighty, triumph over evil for admission to the Everlasting.

A sin is simply choosing not to do the perfect will of God. When I choose to do my own selfish will instead of the perfect will of God (for whatever reason), I sin. Remember it's not just the act (or thought), it's the heart behind the act (or thought).

The list of sins I never commit would be must shorter than the list of sins I do commit.

This "what are the sins you can't stop committing" is not a gotcha, it's as silly as asking "what bad food can't you stop eating". If you don't eat perfectly, there are too many kinds of foods you eat (or have eaten your entire life), but shouldn't.

Feel free to flesh out your 4th century religion argument, but it has two flaws going in.

First there were many false religions and false teachings in the early church.

If what your espousing was the true word of an all powerful God, why did it die out?

 

[RWS]

You never answered my question. How do you define sin?

Sin is disobedience to the law of God. But since the words of the law are figurative and the subjects are hidden, as Jesus revealed, many people are walking around feeling guilty for doing what is not sin and defiantly sinning without any awareness of their guilt.

Some people lie in the name of God as if its a religious duty and defy his commands as if death is the way to life.

There are even buildings all around the world where believers openly practice idolatry every Sunday thinking that by conforming to that vile and degrading practice they are saved.


Imagine that!

H,

i disagree.

Sin is not just disobedience to the law of God it is disobedience to the perfect will of God whether that is expressly outlined in a "law" or not.

You don’t seriously believe this guy believes in God, do you?

The only religion he has is the religion of bashing Christianity. Especially Catholicism. But it’s actually even worse than that, he condemns respect for Christians and especially Catholics.

It's very easy to bash Christianity. Especially Catholicism. You people are wrong and evil. But so are every other religions. Yours are just easy because of documented history. You're evil people, believing in an evil religion. For the benefit of a few.

Just abandon that shit. And have your faith in goodness, and forfeit the evil and sin that your religion promotes and allows.

You mean sort of like how Hitler saw the Jews?

Absolutely not. Where did you get that from? Hitler was the opposite. He wanted people to think like him and believe in his Nazi religion. And if they didn't, they got killed.

Another religion, that led to atrocities.

 

[RWS]

With faith, we can all have different ones and still get along great.

With religion, if we are different, we must kill to convert others.

I mean really... Just have your faith, and realize everyone has an equal opportunity for their own faith. And just let it be.

No reason to convert anyone.

I mentioned Let it Be, so I have to play it...

Maybe you are the one who needs to let it be.

I already do.

No you don't. You keep religious mantra going, when you should just let it be.

 

[RWS]

once you can do that, you will be a faithful person. As opposed to a lemming...

Lemmings come in all shapes and sizes. Some lemmings even accuse other people of being lemmings without ever realizing they are the lemming.

Let it be, Adolph.

Very funny! Lemmings only follow. Which is what you do, based on your birthright.

Therefore you absolutely believe in shit that hurts humanity and is going to doom us all.

 

[RWS]

It just takes one religious fanatic to press the doomsday button......

 

[RWS]

Me? I don't trust religious zealots to hold a button that can launch nukes, and start a global nuclear war. Hitler would've done it in an instant had he developed it first.

They have been proven to not care about anyone else in the past. Just serve their own self-interest, and massacre innocent people for joy. Religious people should not have access to nuclear weapons.

How do we do that?

 

[RWS]

The question of the OP, is can atheists be moral?

I think we are way more moral than religious zealots.

We want all of humanity to survive and thrive. Not just the ones that believe in a particular religion....

So tell me where the morals lay.

 

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Sin is disobedience to the law of God. But since the words of the law are figurative and the subjects are hidden, as Jesus revealed, many people are walking around feeling guilty for doing what is not sin and defiantly sinning without any awareness of their guilt.

Some people lie in the name of God as if its a religious duty and defy his commands as if death is the way to life.

There are even buildings all around the world where believers openly practice idolatry every Sunday thinking that by conforming to that vile and degrading practice they are saved.


Imagine that!

H,

i disagree.

Sin is not just disobedience to the law of God it is disobedience to the perfect will of God whether that is expressly outlined in a "law" or not.

You don’t seriously believe this guy believes in God, do you?

The only religion he has is the religion of bashing Christianity. Especially Catholicism. But it’s actually even worse than that, he condemns respect for Christians and especially Catholics.

It's very easy to bash Christianity. Especially Catholicism. You people are wrong and evil. But so are every other religions. Yours are just easy because of documented history. You're evil people, believing in an evil religion. For the benefit of a few.

Just abandon that shit. And have your faith in goodness, and forfeit the evil and sin that your religion promotes and allows.

You mean sort of like how Hitler saw the Jews?

Absolutely not. Where did you get that from? Hitler was the opposite. He wanted people to think like him and believe in his Nazi religion. And if they didn't, they got killed.

Another religion, that led to atrocities.

And that’s another thing you have in common with him. You are 2 for 2.

 

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With faith, we can all have different ones and still get along great.

With religion, if we are different, we must kill to convert others.

I mean really... Just have your faith, and realize everyone has an equal opportunity for their own faith. And just let it be.

No reason to convert anyone.

I mentioned Let it Be, so I have to play it...

Maybe you are the one who needs to let it be.

I already do.

No you don't. You keep religious mantra going, when you should just let it be.

No. I pretty much stick to defending my faith against aggressors like yourself and three or four others.

 

[RWS]

H,

i disagree.

Sin is not just disobedience to the law of God it is disobedience to the perfect will of God whether that is expressly outlined in a "law" or not.

You don’t seriously believe this guy believes in God, do you?

The only religion he has is the religion of bashing Christianity. Especially Catholicism. But it’s actually even worse than that, he condemns respect for Christians and especially Catholics.

It's very easy to bash Christianity. Especially Catholicism. You people are wrong and evil. But so are every other religions. Yours are just easy because of documented history. You're evil people, believing in an evil religion. For the benefit of a few.

Just abandon that shit. And have your faith in goodness, and forfeit the evil and sin that your religion promotes and allows.

You mean sort of like how Hitler saw the Jews?

Absolutely not. Where did you get that from? Hitler was the opposite. He wanted people to think like him and believe in his Nazi religion. And if they didn't, they got killed.

Another religion, that led to atrocities.

And that’s another thing you have in common with him. You are 2 for 2.

Really? OK, read the subsequent posts.

 

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once you can do that, you will be a faithful person. As opposed to a lemming...

Lemmings come in all shapes and sizes. Some lemmings even accuse other people of being lemmings without ever realizing they are the lemming.

Let it be, Adolph.

Very funny! Lemmings only follow. Which is what you do, based on your birthright.

Therefore you absolutely believe in shit that hurts humanity and is going to doom us all.

The fact that you don’t see that you are not only a follower but the aggressor is pretty amazing to me.

 

[ding]

You don’t seriously believe this guy believes in God, do you?

The only religion he has is the religion of bashing Christianity. Especially Catholicism. But it’s actually even worse than that, he condemns respect for Christians and especially Catholics.

It's very easy to bash Christianity. Especially Catholicism. You people are wrong and evil. But so are every other religions. Yours are just easy because of documented history. You're evil people, believing in an evil religion. For the benefit of a few.

Just abandon that shit. And have your faith in goodness, and forfeit the evil and sin that your religion promotes and allows.

You mean sort of like how Hitler saw the Jews?

Absolutely not. Where did you get that from? Hitler was the opposite. He wanted people to think like him and believe in his Nazi religion. And if they didn't, they got killed.

Another religion, that led to atrocities.

And that’s another thing you have in common with him. You are 2 for 2.

Really? OK, read the subsequent posts.

Do you need for me to break it down for you?

 

[RWS]

With faith, we can all have different ones and still get along great.

With religion, if we are different, we must kill to convert others.

I mean really... Just have your faith, and realize everyone has an equal opportunity for their own faith. And just let it be.

No reason to convert anyone.

I mentioned Let it Be, so I have to play it...

Maybe you are the one who needs to let it be.

I already do.

No you don't. You keep religious mantra going, when you should just let it be.

No. I pretty much stick to defending my faith against aggressors like yourself and three or four others.

I'm not an aggressor. I am providing logic to stop the aggressors.

We're talking about morals. I have them. You don't...

 

[RWS]

you will kill for fun.

I won't.

 

[ding]

With faith, we can all have different ones and still get along great.

With religion, if we are different, we must kill to convert others.

I mean really... Just have your faith, and realize everyone has an equal opportunity for their own faith. And just let it be.

No reason to convert anyone.

I mentioned Let it Be, so I have to play it...

Maybe you are the one who needs to let it be.

I already do.

No you don't. You keep religious mantra going, when you should just let it be.

No. I pretty much stick to defending my faith against aggressors like yourself and three or four others.

I'm not an aggressor. I am providing logic to stop the aggressors.

We're talking about morals. I have them. You don't...

Yes, you are. 100%.

But it’s good you recognize being the aggressor is bad.

 

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you will kill for fun.

I won't.

I’m afraid you don’t know what I would kill for. I’m not sure I know what I would kill for. And I am certainly not arrogant enough or stupid enough to say that I know what someone else would kill for.

But one thing I do know is that whatever the reason I did it, I would not try to rationalize it as good and just.

 

[RWS]

You would kill for your religion.

I would not do so for my faith.