Can Atheists be Moral?

[Spare_change]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

 

[Spare_change]

If God were the source of morality, then morality is not objective but instead mind dependent, i.e. based on God's subjectivity.

If the God cannot change his morals on a whim, God is not all powerful.

If the God of the bible is the source of morality, then it is moral to rape, pillage, genocide and also to murder babies.


Seems morality is a human construct based on the observable notion of cause and effect - and since we're a sentient, communal and empathetic creature, morals are based on the mitigation of suffering. This is proven over and over by the fact that over time, our morality has evolved and things that were considered moral hundreds of years into the past, or even just decades, are now considered barbaric.

Also, as secular society evolves in this way, theists have been conforming to the new secular standards, and have been forced to reinterpret much of the old-guard morality of their ancient scriptures.

Your circular logic is odious and immature. Grow up.

 

[RWS]

Dude, you are a ding sock.

 

[RWS]

Don't make me prove it with the mods.

Just cancel your other accounts.

 

[ding]

I apologize. But God is the math and the physics.

How it came about to be true, i dunno, and that's what I call "god". But that "god" certainly doesn't give a **** about us.

I don’t believe so.

There is no thing that we can use to describe God because God is no thing.

God isn’t energy and matter like us.

The closest we can come to understanding God is consciousness without form.

 

[MedfordMan]

I apologize. But God is the math and the physics.

How it came about to be true, i dunno, and that's what I call "god". But that "god" certainly doesn't give a **** about us.

I don’t believe so.

There is no thing that we can use to describe God because God is no thing.

God isn’t energy and matter like us.

The closest we can come to understanding God is consciousness without form.

Ding,

I respectfully disagree.

We are made from energy and matter.

God is energy and matter.

 

[danielpalos]

we don't know how dense a black hole is.

 

[G.T.]

we don't know how dense a black hole is.

so many yo momma jokes could come from a comment like this

 

[Mindful]

I apologize. But God is the math and the physics.

How it came about to be true, i dunno, and that's what I call "god". But that "god" certainly doesn't give a **** about us.

I don’t believe so.

There is no thing that we can use to describe God because God is no thing.

God isn’t energy and matter like us.

The closest we can come to understanding God is consciousness without form.

G-d is the Universe.

 

[BreezeWood]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

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It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral ...

there is no barrier, intrinsically for an atheist to be moral having at birth a clean slate for deturmination however for a religion conceived deceitfully as christianity where sinning is perceived as inseparable from the being does make those individuals intrinsically immoral by their inability to rationally know right from wrong.

what sins are you unable to not commit short-change, to help determine the depth of your immorality - such as hate baited post that are "relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation".

 

[ding]

I apologize. But God is the math and the physics.

How it came about to be true, i dunno, and that's what I call "god". But that "god" certainly doesn't give a **** about us.

I don’t believe so.

There is no thing that we can use to describe God because God is no thing.

God isn’t energy and matter like us.

The closest we can come to understanding God is consciousness without form.

Ding,

I respectfully disagree.

We are made from energy and matter.

God is energy and matter.

I don’t believe so. I believe God is beyond energy and matter. We can’t possibly relate to it. A two dimensional being would have an easier time trying to understand our third dimension than we would trying to understand a multidimensional being beyond space and time.

Matter and energy cannot exist outside of space and time because matter and energy creates space and time.

 

[ding]

I apologize. But God is the math and the physics.

How it came about to be true, i dunno, and that's what I call "god". But that "god" certainly doesn't give a **** about us.

I don’t believe so.

There is no thing that we can use to describe God because God is no thing.

God isn’t energy and matter like us.

The closest we can come to understanding God is consciousness without form.

G-d is the Universe.

That’s called pantheism. God can’t be the universe anymore than a painter can be the painting.

 

[Mindful]

I apologize. But God is the math and the physics.

How it came about to be true, i dunno, and that's what I call "god". But that "god" certainly doesn't give a **** about us.

I don’t believe so.

There is no thing that we can use to describe God because God is no thing.

God isn’t energy and matter like us.

The closest we can come to understanding God is consciousness without form.

G-d is the Universe.

That’s called pantheism. God can’t be the universe anymore than a painter can be the painting.

G-d can be anything he wants to be.

 

[Spare_change]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral ...

there is no barrier, intrinsically for an atheist to be moral having at birth a clean slate for deturmination however for a religion conceived deceitfully as christianity where sinning is perceived as inseparable from the being does make those individuals intrinsically immoral by their inability to rationally know right from wrong.

what sins are you unable to not commit short-change, to help determine the depth of your immorality - such as hate baited post that are "relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation".

When you are the arbiter of whether or not your actions are sinful, you are able to define the levels of right and wrong in the manner that best allows your conscience to be eased. If you're hungry, it's okay to steal. If you want his car to take your wife to the hospital, it's okay to kill him to get it.

Those are not morals, those are self-justification rationales for your behavior. Without an externally enforced set of unassailable laws, you have no moral code - you only have self-serving nonsense designed to justify your bad behavior.

 

[ding]

I apologize. But God is the math and the physics.

How it came about to be true, i dunno, and that's what I call "god". But that "god" certainly doesn't give a **** about us.

I don’t believe so.

There is no thing that we can use to describe God because God is no thing.

God isn’t energy and matter like us.

The closest we can come to understanding God is consciousness without form.

G-d is the Universe.

That’s called pantheism. God can’t be the universe anymore than a painter can be the painting.

G-d can be anything he wants to be.

God can’t oppose himself.

God can’t go against his nature.

God is eternal an unchanging. God is uncaused. The best I can understand is God is consciousness without form.

 

[BreezeWood]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral ...

there is no barrier, intrinsically for an atheist to be moral having at birth a clean slate for deturmination however for a religion conceived deceitfully as christianity where sinning is perceived as inseparable from the being does make those individuals intrinsically immoral by their inability to rationally know right from wrong.

what sins are you unable to not commit short-change, to help determine the depth of your immorality - such as hate baited post that are "relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation".

When you are the arbiter of whether or not your actions are sinful, you are able to define the levels of right and wrong in the manner that best allows your conscience to be eased. If you're hungry, it's okay to steal. If you want his car to take your wife to the hospital, it's okay to kill him to get it.

Those are not morals, those are self-justification rationales for your behavior. Without an externally enforced set of unassailable laws, you have no moral code - you only have self-serving nonsense designed to justify your bad behavior.

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there is no barrier, intrinsically for an atheist to be moral having at birth a clean slate for determination however for a religion conceived deceitfully as christianity where sinning is perceived as inseparable from the being does make those individuals intrinsically immoral by their inability to rationally know right from wrong.

When you are the arbiter of whether or not your actions are sinful, you are able to define the levels of right and wrong in the manner that best allows your conscience to be eased. If you're hungry, it's okay to steal. If you want his car to take your wife to the hospital, it's okay to kill him to get it.

where sinning is perceived as inseparable from the being does make those individuals intrinsically immoral ... When you are the arbiter of whether or not your actions are sinful, you are able to define the levels of right and wrong -


When you are the arbiter of whether or not your actions are sinful ...

do you always ignore the post you are responding to - 4th century christianity precludes any morality for the being as being inexorably void of self determination through preexisting conditions, sin and therefore intrinsically an immoral being.

1st century events were for the individuals self determination through the judgement of Almighty, the resistance to temptation and the Triumph over evil as the path for admission to the Everlasting - a freed spirit by attaining pure morality.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral ...

there is no barrier, intrinsically for an atheist to be moral having at birth a clean slate for deturmination however for a religion conceived deceitfully as christianity where sinning is perceived as inseparable from the being does make those individuals intrinsically immoral by their inability to rationally know right from wrong.

what sins are you unable to not commit short-change, to help determine the depth of your immorality - such as hate baited post that are "relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation".

When you are the arbiter of whether or not your actions are sinful, you are able to define the levels of right and wrong in the manner that best allows your conscience to be eased. If you're hungry, it's okay to steal. If you want his car to take your wife to the hospital, it's okay to kill him to get it.

Those are not morals, those are self-justification rationales for your behavior. Without an externally enforced set of unassailable laws, you have no moral code - you only have self-serving nonsense designed to justify your bad behavior.

All complete nonsense....thats why no two Christian's loving today would agree 9n all morality, much less a Christian living today and one plucked from 500 years ago (despite carrying around the same,iron age instruction manual). You derive your morality chiefly from the genetic accident of where and when you were born .You simply fool yourself and aggrandize yourself by pretending your morality derives from some divine decree.

 

[BreezeWood]

You simply fool yourself and aggrandize yourself by pretending your morality derives from some divine decree.

you have failed to disprove physiology is a metaphysical substance that disappears when the spiritual component is removed from it - or that by unlocking its dependence to its physiology by the metaphysical requirement to triumph good vs evil is not a viable reason for all beings to pursue during their stay, granted life on planet Earth.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You simply fool yourself and aggrandize yourself by pretending your morality derives from some divine decree.

you have failed to disprove physiology is a metaphysical substance that disappears when the spiritual component is removed from it - or that by unlocking its dependence to its physiology by the metaphysical requirement to triumph good vs evil is not a viable reason for all beings to pursue during their stay, granted life on planet Earth.

I have also failed to disprove that rainbow unicorns make ice cream in the 8th dimension. That doesn't lend any truth whatsoever to the idea that unicorns make ice cream in the 8th dimension. It also does nothing to prevent someone from saying, "Sure, stars leave the main sequence after fusing all of their hydrogen, but that is because unicorns make ice cream in the 8th dimension".

What insight does this give? What useful predictions does it yield? Does it make any difference whatsoever to the knowledge of star behavior or to how we will go about learning more about star behavior?

No.

That is all you are doing...splashing a veneer of your magical nonsense onto hard earned knowledge after the fact. The fact that this impotent exercise by you has zero effect on any knowledge ever should be your first clue that it is useless nonsense.

 

[ding]

Many theists believe it is clear-cut. Humans can only have opinions about morality, and no one’s opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. This leads them to the conclusion that an objective source of morality must stand apart from, and above, humans. That source, they say, is God. Since atheists, reject God, atheists can have no basis for morality.

This is really two separate arguments: (1) that God is the source of objective morality and humans can learn morality from God and (2) that humans on their own have no way to know what is moral and what is not.

Can atheists be moral? - Atheist Alliance International

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral, given that they have no firmly established moral code, but rather rely on relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation.

It is intrinsically impossible for atheists to be moral ...

there is no barrier, intrinsically for an atheist to be moral having at birth a clean slate for deturmination however for a religion conceived deceitfully as christianity where sinning is perceived as inseparable from the being does make those individuals intrinsically immoral by their inability to rationally know right from wrong.

what sins are you unable to not commit short-change, to help determine the depth of your immorality - such as hate baited post that are "relativistic self serving, self-qualified opinions of what is right and proper in a particular situation".

When you are the arbiter of whether or not your actions are sinful, you are able to define the levels of right and wrong in the manner that best allows your conscience to be eased. If you're hungry, it's okay to steal. If you want his car to take your wife to the hospital, it's okay to kill him to get it.

Those are not morals, those are self-justification rationales for your behavior. Without an externally enforced set of unassailable laws, you have no moral code - you only have self-serving nonsense designed to justify your bad behavior.

All complete nonsense....thats why no two Christian's loving today would agree 9n all morality, much less a Christian living today and one plucked from 500 years ago (despite carrying around the same,iron age instruction manual). You derive your morality chiefly from the genetic accident of where and when you were born .You simply fool yourself and aggrandize yourself by pretending your morality derives from some divine decree.

Humans are subjective. Their perception of morality changes.